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The Only 3 Backpacking Stoves You'll Ever Need 

Tim Schwartz
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Today we're talking stove systems! Specifically, the three that I keep in my gear closet to cover my bases through all four seasons. These range from ultralight to, uh, not so much.
As noted in the video, the upright canister stove needs a good cleaning to start function normally again. It's not super difficult to do, and maybe I'll make a video on it when I get around to it (feel free to drop me a comment if that's something that you'd like to see.) The good news is, you get to see me nearly light myself on fire.
Enjoy!
STOVE SYSTEMS
My favorite alcohol stove: bit.ly/3RRUKy9
The upright canister stove I've used for years: geni.us/Jxnti (Amazon)
An upright canister budget option I'm testing: geni.us/ANBa (Amazon)
The BEST remote canister stove (if you maintain it): geni.us/y1ZYSiK (Amazon)
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Waterproof camera backpack: geni.us/PAftnR (Amazon)
Lightweight, full-frame camera: geni.us/HyNJK (Amazon)
Wide zoom for vlogging:geni.us/jBbeUq1 (Amazon)
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My mic: geni.us/fvbT0E (Amazon)
Lightweight tripod: geni.us/fFSFX (Amazon)
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Комментарии : 73   
@CBne1997
@CBne1997 Год назад
There are devices like the FlipFuel that allows you to transfer fuel from one canister to another. It works very well, and I now never worry about the amount of fuel for a trip. I always take a small 110g canister (keep total weight to less than 200g to prevent over-filling).
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Hey Micah! Thanks for the comment, and for the tip! I've seen one but haven't tried them yet. I'll have to pick one up for the summer months!
@jacquelinedominguez3204
@jacquelinedominguez3204 Год назад
Great options to know. 👍🏼
@JohnJones-fk6ti
@JohnJones-fk6ti 2 месяца назад
Perfect choices, I'm a traveller I use choice 2, goes in my farpoint 40 and used all over the world. Great video.🙏🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz 2 месяца назад
Thanks for watching!
@davidschneider6666
@davidschneider6666 Год назад
Sweet!
@austinhowden1619
@austinhowden1619 23 дня назад
Giving a like simply because of the first line😂
@markcummings6856
@markcummings6856 Год назад
Great video.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Thanks for the kind words, Mark! I appreciate ya.
@jcavenagh
@jcavenagh Год назад
I have 2 stoves...Trangia and a Svea 123R. I have had the Svea since 1978 and it has traveled the world with me and some other to whom I lent it. I got the Trangia just a few years ago and love its light weight and simplicity.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Thanks for the comment! I love my Trangia - it was my first alcohol stove so it has a special place in my heart. It's more or less been replaced by a Trail Designs Sidewinder Ti-Tri at this point, but it still comes out from time to time. I'd love to get my hands on a Svea 123R! It's got character.
@clawrence034
@clawrence034 10 месяцев назад
My dad's had two Sveas. The first one ruptured, causing a feedback loop as the flame jetting out the side further pressurized the tank. It got to be about 10 feet long before it burnt out. MEC took it back and gave us a new one even though it was about 20 years old at the time and we weren't completely sure it was bought at MEC.
@joshuaparker3792
@joshuaparker3792 Год назад
Greetings from Kazakhstan. Subscribed!
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Thanks so much for watching, Joshua! I appreciate the sub!
@keithmeyers1720
@keithmeyers1720 16 дней назад
Upright canister stoves are tippy. Sooner or later, it happens...... and they just don't produce below 32 F. It's cold up here. I love my alcohol stuff however. Keep up the good work.
@memathews
@memathews Год назад
Flame on with the Winterlight! Probably a little over-pressurized. But this is a nice stove survey. Matching the stove to the season and use is important for hiking outside of summer. Canister stoves are probably the best match for all-around use and for beginners, they are ready to use anytime and safe during burn bans. I love my Whisperlight for winter, especially on snow or with a group, but it's heavier and takes a bit more watching than a canister stove. My old Svea123 is a fun throwback on solo short trips. Outside of fire season a very small fire is my lightweight and easy go-to, even here in the PNW Cascades it's pretty quick to gather dry wood for something small.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Thanks for the comment! I think the burner on the Whisperlite has some buildup in it. I need to take it apart - good opportunity for another video though. I'm in the Cascades as well! Would love to give a small wood stove a shot at some point.
@MillerSean
@MillerSean Год назад
👍👍 With so many cheap cannister stove options out there these days, it seems like the Whisperlite doesn't get as much love as it deserves.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Thanks, Sean! Yeah the Whisperlite is a TANK.
@whicks3
@whicks3 Год назад
I was wishing I had mine on a 15 degree morning!
@danielteeter9282
@danielteeter9282 Год назад
I'm going to add a second to the Svea 123. I have mine from when I biked cross-country in the late 70s and even though it looks like hell, it still runs like a champion.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
You guys are making it very hard for me not to buy one!
@AugustWest23
@AugustWest23 Год назад
I"ve carried a Whisperlite for yrs. I prime with denatured alcohol to prevent all the soot.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Thanks for the tip, Jon! Haven't tried that before. I have plenty of denatured alcohol lying around.
@sutty1963
@sutty1963 23 дня назад
new subscriber here only because you like the three cookers i have ,, i use the first msr rocket though ,,to tight to buy the rocket two when the first still works great ,, only trouble with the rocket it will wake the hole campsite up ,,gets me coffee quick though lol
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz 20 дней назад
Thanks for subscribing! I love the Pocket Rocket, and yes it's incredibly loud but I think that's part of it's charm haha.
@tomsitzman3952
@tomsitzman3952 Год назад
I'n not sure about fire codes concerning stove types. I'm still using my tried-and-true Seva 123 brass stove with roar burner for one or two person trips. It is still in production after 80 years , A little shorter than a beer can It runs on white gas. I carry it in a one or two or three quart pot, pull it out prime and go to work, melting snow and cooking a pot of grub. My Second choice for a powerhouse is the Optimus 00 kerosene stove. It is a little larger than the Seva 123 but is more stable with a larger pot. It breaks down to the brass tank housing the pressure pump and the screw on roar burner tower. Nice powerhouse for a group of two to four. I'm taking it out in a week or two for a weeklong bike trip. Very adjustable burner, but in the field, I want a meal packed with calories takes less than 20 minutes from start to finish. I have been using them both since the early 70's in summer as well as -30 F on back country ski trips. White gas burns hotter than alcohol and kerosene burns almost twice as hot as white gas or any fuel in a pressurized can. The only time alcohol is nice for cooking is when you have a pan of fish to fry. I can carry as many fuel bottles as I need for the length of the trip, I top off the stove after cooking, so I always start the next meal knowing I have a full tank. Both stoves are low to nearly no Maintenace. I use Sigg nesting pots 1,2, 3, 4 quart and take the sizes need for the specific trip. I believe in using the most appropriate technology not the latest new great idea. Today I see too much needless emphasis on weight.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Thanks for the comment, Tom! It's funny you bring this up because I was looking at Sveas the other day - I've always thought they had character. My affinity for alcohol stoves comes primarily from the lack of any moving parts, so there is literally nothing to break. I honestly just appreciate the simplicity of it. As far as weight is concerned, I think it depends on what your objectives are. I'd agree that there is no practical benefit so saving a gram by cutting the strings off of teabags, but this changes when one is pursuing ultralight backpacking as a hobby in itself. Sometimes if fun just to see how light you can go for no other reason than to be a little lighter than last time. Again no real practical benefit (once you reach a point), but the same could be said for collecting stamps or building ships in a bottle - it's just fun :) I'll need to check out the optimus 00 - my whisperlite will run on kerosene but I've never tried it. Thanks again for watching and have a great week!
@markheming3507
@markheming3507 9 месяцев назад
here on the East Coast, I typically use a alcohol stove or a solid fuel stove ezbit. I do use the canister stove and colder weather but honestly, my go to is the solid fuel stove most of the year.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for the comment! I don't use solid fuel terribly often, but I imagine you like it for the same reasons I enjoy alcohol stoves - quite, light, easy to know how much fuel you have, etc.
@hoser7706
@hoser7706 3 месяца назад
Solid fuel stoves are compact snd easy too. But you nailed it. I’d maybe add a contained stove like a Jetboil or MSR Windburner for high winds or exposure like kayaking. Far from essential because we canshelter stoves but mondo convenient.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz 3 месяца назад
Yeah I think that's a very solid point! I've been considering adding an MSR reactor to the mix. I haven't used solid fuel really, but I have some floating around somewhere along with a small burner. Maybe I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the comment!
@arcticradio
@arcticradio Год назад
Coleman F1 ultralite at 77g for gas Goshawk Era & windshield at 130g for alcohol Two of the best smallest stoves that really pack a punch in boil times too.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Thanks for the comment! The Goshawk Era was a new one to me - I checked it out a a bit. Looks pretty rad! May need to pick on up...
@billybert3506
@billybert3506 7 месяцев назад
love the siren, audio overlay 😂
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz 7 месяцев назад
Haha glad you enjoyed it!
@simplesolutions2865
@simplesolutions2865 7 месяцев назад
Note that the msr whisperlite international can also burn alcohol if you drill out the kerosine jet. I haven't tried this in really cold situations, but it burns quite well.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz 7 месяцев назад
That's a really good tip! I haven't tried that... thanks for up!
@dont_delay
@dont_delay 3 месяца назад
Hi. Do you Reccomend a three sided solid metal wind shield with the MSR or a light reflectix shield or is it stable enough by sitting with your back to the wind and holding a 750 ml toaks pot? Tips in strong wind . Dos and don'ts?i have more faith in the alcohol in wind even though slower seems more stable
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz 3 месяца назад
Hey! I take it you mean the Pocket Rocket, not the Whisperlite? I haven't used a wind shield with it as I try to avoid reflecting heat back to the canister. Both the Pocket Rocket 2 and the Deluxe have pretty decent wind performance, depending on how strong we're talking about. Yes, my alcohol stove is still way more stable, but I haven't had any huge issues with the Pocket Rocket at this point. Thanks for the comment!
@whicks3
@whicks3 Год назад
Whisper lite and Pocket Rocket Deluxe here! And a BRS backup
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Nice! How are you liking the BRS? I have one as well but haven't used it enough yet to recommend it.
@whicks3
@whicks3 Год назад
@@timbschwartz I tested the BRS before carrying it, and was happy with its performance. It’s so tiny that it will always have a problem stabilizing larger pots and pans on uneven surfaces, but that’s a small problem for someone looking for an ultralight canister stove for trail use, where larger cooking vessels don’t exist. As an added note, I’ve been using a generic mini stove for years with no issues, so having an actual BRS non clone gives me added confidence.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Nice! I'm looking forward to messing around with mine a bit more. I did have a bit of trouble with wind the couple of times I've used it, but that's pretty common with canister stoves and I should probably just take some aluminum foil for a windscreen.
@15halerobert
@15halerobert 2 месяца назад
I've used an msr XKG? burn anything that's a bit scary to light. but it's been loyal, and I've had it for years. But once it gets going its Katie bar the door. It needs to retire, and I've been eyeing a windster but I'm having trouble turning to canister. I've resisted so long I don't know if I can do it.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Месяц назад
Hey! Can't say I have, although it looks pretty bombproof from what I'm seeing online. I agree with you on canister stoves - not my favorite, but I still find myself using them during burn bans when I can't justify the weight of the Whisperlite. Thanks for the comment!
@goyourownway9149
@goyourownway9149 5 месяцев назад
What's the zip DCF stuff sack you use for your oversew 600 set?
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz 5 месяцев назад
Hi! That one, along with all of my other pot stuff sacks are from Treadlite Gear. Check em out!
@woodchip2782
@woodchip2782 2 месяца назад
I use Trangia alcohol stove equipment. Silence is precious…🤫 You can find alcohol everywhere. Not canisters.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz 2 месяца назад
Love my Trangia!
@angel8fingers
@angel8fingers Год назад
I like Kelly Kettle instead of a third chemical fuel option. A non chemical fuel burning stove may be a good idea to consider.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Hey there! Thanks for the comment and the sub. Definitely something to think about. I typically don't make fires when I'm out, mostly just because everything is soaking wet around here so its a real production, but I have no issue with them when done responsibly. You can actually burn wood in the alcohol stove stand that I show here, so a wood burning option is sort of included here even though I don't mention it. They sell a base and an inside bit to promote better airflow, but I don't imagine its 100% necessary as long as you're using it on a durable surface. Checking out the Kelly Kettle now - it looks pretty cool! I've also heard good things about the wood stove from Suluk 46.
@farmerjon72
@farmerjon72 Год назад
I like my Kelly kettle, but I find it to be pretty bulky but that's probably my fault. I got the biggest one they make. I usually end up using the butane stove unless there is a bigger group of us and we are all drinking coffee in the morning.
@angel8fingers
@angel8fingers Год назад
@@farmerjon72 I carry the smallest one as my one man option.
@angel8fingers
@angel8fingers Год назад
@@timbschwartz It is heavier than my Jetboil or MSRW, but I just really enjoy the nostalgic feels it gives me. I generally operate it like I would a fueled stove ie…..get my boil on quick as possible than snuff it out. I just enjoy the aesthetic, and where I hike dry fuel is in an overwhelming abundance. The ability to do twigs with the stove you mentioned I was unaware of, thanks for pointing that out. Also thank you for being able to rationally discuss an opinion that is different from yours. That can be difficult to find and I always appreciate it when I do. Great content, keep up the good work.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Just seeing this now! I totally get the nostagia thing - that's why I still have my Trangia. Agreed - really enjoying building up a community here of folks to talk to about this stuff!
@gcvrsa
@gcvrsa 10 месяцев назад
I did a bunch of studying of this topics some years ago, and the conclusion I very rapidly reached is that for most people in most situations, a gas canister stove is going to be by far and away the best choice, because of their heat output, ease of control, and convenience. For trips of any significant length, the weight of alcohol fuel rapidly overtakes the excess weight of an empty steel gas canister for an equivalent cooking capacity (measured in how many litres of water you can boil). When you combine this with the fact that gas stoves can be reduced to a simmer and extinguished on demand, the advantages of the canister stove are something with which alcohol stoves simply cannot compete. Now, for short trips in fair weather, where cooking control isn't a priority, an alcohol stove can be perfectly functional, but in a lot of places in the US, the availability of good alcohol fuel can be challenging. California, for instance, has idiotically banned the sale of denatured alcohol, and burning high proof grain alcohol on which you have paid the high liquor tax is a huge waste of money. I really don't think that in the 2020's, it's necessary for anyone who isn't attempting to summit high peaks to use a white gas or kero stove. I do own an MSR Rapidfire, which is the remote gas canister version of the old Whisperlite, and it's a great stove for larger pots, though long out of production. The current MSR Whisperlite Universal and WindPro II do the same job.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz 10 месяцев назад
Hey Gemma! Based on the data I've seen, gas becomes the lighter option at around 20 burns or so without resupply (very roughly speaking because it depends on how much water you're boiling, the stove, etc.), which much longer than most people will go without needing to pick up more food and whatnot. I agree with all of the pros of canister stoves that you mentioned, and do use them often, but some additional points for alcohol stoves for me would be 1) they don't have any moving parts to break or clog and 2) I'm not adding dozens of aluminum canisters to a landfill every year - I do recycle them but who knows where that stuff actually ends up. I believe you can still get HEET in California, but there's typically burn bans in California during the warmer months, so it doesn't really help much for most folks during peak season - canisters it is in that case. I like to keep the Whisperlite around for melting snow, but it will probably be replaced by an MSR reactor at some point. Thanks for the comment!
@simplesolutions2865
@simplesolutions2865 7 месяцев назад
It isn't true that you can't simmer with an alcohol stove. I have 3, and all three will simmer quite well with the addition of some sort of simmer ring - which also prolongs how long the stove will burn. My current alcohol stove will simmer for an hour on 20ml of alcohol.
@smacrae7
@smacrae7 Год назад
Looks like a nice burn on your alcohol stove. What type of fuel are you using? Heet?
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Thanks for watching! Jasco denatured alcohol. Can't remember where I got it, but either a hardware store or Walmart.
@ericdietz2605
@ericdietz2605 5 месяцев назад
All temps are in Fahrenheit for this comment. Alcohol stoves work okay'ish at high altitudes... Provided the temps aren't too low. 14,000 feet and 30 or less they start to struggle. Under 10 they don't seem to work. To be fair they don't work good at sea level at low temps. If you are in -10 or less they may not heat properly. If you are at -30 they do not work at all
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for the insight here, Eric!
@mezmerya5130
@mezmerya5130 Год назад
last time i hiked with gasoline stove (optimus, idk model, it was guides'), it took like 30 min to boil 5l of water. kinda sad. and we didnt even have had to melt snow, i guess that way cooking meal would take hours.
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Bummer! I'm thinking either bad fuel or a bad stove - the remote canister stoves are known for being beasts when it comes to heat output and boil time. Hope you still got fed!
@tomsitzman3952
@tomsitzman3952 Год назад
@@timbschwartz Something does not sound right the timeline. Soun ds to me like the pot and stove were not sheltered from the wind. Boiling 5 liters is a tough job for any stove.
@Pathan_aamir2212
@Pathan_aamir2212 Год назад
Hii bro
@charlesfulcrum3170
@charlesfulcrum3170 Год назад
Why do I need 3? The one I've got is fine
@timbschwartz
@timbschwartz Год назад
Thanks for the comment, Charles! I discuss this around 0:43 in. Have a great week!
@watts391
@watts391 Год назад
Stoves in the park. 🥬
@AntwonDaBusiness
@AntwonDaBusiness Год назад
3 stoves? You only need one haha
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