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Hi Villagers, today we go over the only speed guide you ever need in Honkai: Star Rail, and why it is so important for clearing content more comfortably, and you can stop blindly chasing speed. :)
PERFECT Speed Tuning | Sparkle CN Analysis
• PERFECT Speed Tuning |...
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00:00 Intro
00:42 Sponsor
01:16 Disclaimer
02:24 Speed Thresholds IMPORTANT
03:00 How to calculate Action Value
06:47 Action Advance
10:36 Speed Buff (Permanent)
11:54 Speed Buff (Temp)
15:08 Summary
16:00 Showcase using Sparkle DDD and Ruan Mei
19:12 Showcase using Bronya
22:01 Showcase using Tingyun
24:25 Outro
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@tatagprawiro4080 4 месяца назад

So AV is basically just a time unit. Speed is distance/time, so it's distance/AV in this game. A character will act at distance == 10000. So a character with 200 speed will act 3 times in the first cycle, because the first cycle's duration is 150AV, and with 200 speed the character will travel 200 *150 == 30k distance, which translate to 3 actions.

@mrpokkee 4 месяца назад

Perfect 10/10

@Eiron 3 месяца назад

thx I understood completely with this explanation

@albertkyaw2870 4 месяца назад

GENUINELY the best speed guide

@archangel1639 4 месяца назад

NUCLEAR DRAMA WITH GACHA SMACK INCOMING!!!!!!!!!!!

@psychor3d520 4 месяца назад

Oh boi i can smell it

@treasure9342 4 месяца назад

Round 2.........BEGIN

@kazami804 4 месяца назад

i'm out of touch with what's happening. would someone mind explaining what's going on?

@archangel1639 4 месяца назад

@@kazami804 tldr; Gacha Smack put out a vid saying that Bronya/Sparkle is mid but he made assumptions of a slow Sparkle without Dance Dance Dance on her. Pokke reacted on stream clarifying the reasons why Smack’s perceptions of the comp aren’t representative of what the comp actually is supposed to be.

@undeniablySomeGuy 4 месяца назад

@@archangel1639lmao really? That's like saying seele is bad when you build her full hp

@kelbpelbringerofdestructio4759 4 месяца назад

Respectfully, the best speed guide. I may find 175 speed, having a ruan mei and a r5 ddd a little unrelatable, but Im still glad I found out how speed works!

@crazygamer84 4 месяца назад

Thanks for this, this in-depth explanation really helps my understanding beyond just hitting speed breakdowns from gear alone. Now I can consider speed tuning beyond just relying on relics.

@slowloris2996 4 месяца назад

Such a beautiful video! You’re a very engaging teacher when you’re passionate.

@potatopcgamer739 4 месяца назад

This is What I needed Most , A true in depth guide that actually helpful for my Mint picking account

@riderkwok 4 месяца назад

My favorite streaming professor and my beloved sparkle duet. Keep the good stuff rolling in!

@willhau9161 4 месяца назад

I had 2 vonwag piece I strong boxed when I started the game, thanks to your guide, I finally 0 cycle with 155 SPD sparkle with vonwag and S3 DD on tingyun!

@mizari 4 месяца назад

Spd guide unreal!! 🤯🤯💯💯🔥🔥

@kiend1509 2 месяца назад

ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU FOR THIS GUIDE YOU SAVED ME AND MY SPEEDTUNE

@mellofuego4917 4 месяца назад

Brother, I finally understand the speed formula. Excellent breakdown.

@SenMid 4 месяца назад

Happy 60k Mr Chokke

@StarryDarknessSky 4 месяца назад

LESGOOOOOOOO SPEED GUIDE

@filipivanov1606 4 месяца назад

Sparke can go 3 times both waves with 170 speed, but this only works if you cast Tingyun's ult immediately on both waves.

@EricElendien 3 месяца назад

Thanks so much for the video Mr. Pokke! This may be a silly question but I just want to make sure I’m clear on this. If let’s say dance, dance, dance action forwards 24% a unit who only needs say 4% to go again, does the excess carry into the continued calculation for the character’s next action (so they would only need to cover 8000units/80% for their next action) or is the excess lost?

@kiend1509 4 месяца назад

YOU SAVED ME THANK YOU

@excel1919 4 месяца назад

Respectfully the best speed guide ever

@styfling 4 месяца назад

to my understanding the dumbed down version of all this is your unit has to move 10000 units in 1 cycle to have an action. If you want your unit to act twice add another 10000 units and divide it by the cycles AV (150 for the first cycle and 100 for all the following) this will give you your required speed for taking the desired actions per cycle you want. However there are ways around this such as ruan mei's talent and huohuo's e1 that can lessen the speed requirements. As for action advance if you have a s5 DDD which is 24% AV advance you would take 24% of 10000 (the amount of units your characters have to travel to take one action in a cycle) which would be 2400 and subtract it from your desired turns per cycle you want. example: "I want sparkle to move 3 times in the first cycle" so you would do 30000 - 2400 and divide it by the first cycles AV requirement which is 150 so it would look like (30000 - 2400) /150 = 184 speed WITH s5 DDD to move 3 times on the first cycle with sparkle. As for speed buffs the TLDR is it doesn't really help with gaining another action in a cycle unless you have asta with DDD easily digestible guide NEUTRALLY speaking 🫡

@SwedishSword 4 месяца назад

Temporary speed buffs do help units act before the enemy however, even if it does not result in more actions in the cycle. A notable example of this is with Jing Yuan before sparkle came out, as he needed to outspeed his own lightning lord so that he could reach 7-10 stacks before it moved. This was mostly hanya and asta, but also tingyun e1 if your speed subs were not good enough. Now that speed requirement has been offloaded to sparkle herself. Moreover, dot teams hypothetically benefit from asta quite a bit as moving before an enemy allows them to stack more damage on their DoTs, but our current bis dot teams currently supplement their own speed needs and the damage is fine.

@blasianking4827 4 месяца назад

That's basically it. It sounds complicated on the surface but as soon as you dig a little deeper you find it's not that complicated really. It's just a race track and SPD is how fast you make laps.

@styfling 4 месяца назад

@@SwedishSwordyea you right, speed buffs also helpful in places like SU since cutting in front of the enemy is really all that matters

@rizzz___ 4 месяца назад

Hmm finally good math content after awhile, nom nom imma yoink and twist this

@dawinga2143 2 месяца назад

so if you use an action forward move or a speed buff, will it ruin the turns of the specific character that you want to go first?

@ColninjaPlaysMC 4 месяца назад

Forget the speed guide for a moment, was that a tingyun body pillow in the backgeound of the first minute?

@victorleese9491 4 месяца назад

There analogies were great. Excellent vid Mr Pokke

@keithy13 19 дней назад

Hi i have a question please if my character speed reads 172 spd should i be concerned because i worry that it is 171.3 speed rounded up.

@badbtyjorge79 4 месяца назад

That's what I'm talking bout pokke!!!

@apokarin427 4 месяца назад

i have black swan and kafka both can 160 speed, do i need lower blackswan speed to 134++ and get attack boots?

@itoobiased 4 месяца назад

Forget the numbers for a sec. Action advance is basically getting dragged ahead instantly/teleported by whatever value you got buffed/hit by. For example you ran half the lap already, and sparkle hits you with her skill and you will advance by 50%, another half of the lap, which makes you finish the lap and move first next. However if you only ran 20% of a lap, and sparkle tries to pull you ahead, you'll only end up at 70% finished lap which is why you don't get to always move next if there's another unit/enemy who's finishing the lap before you at 70% + And then speed determines how fast you run those laps like Pokke said, he explained that well.

@shaunaburst5638 4 месяца назад

do you have the Spreadsheet doc on it pokke?

@not-so-perfect9795 4 месяца назад

Okay so here's my question: if my dps cant reach a spd of atleast 134, should i use attack boots instead? Does 100 spd vs 125 spd on dps really makes a difference? (Assuming the base spd for dps is 100) Or its just 100 or 134. If anyone can answer this im very thankful!

@fourrrrthiv 4 месяца назад

nice

@chinnithy7156 4 месяца назад

Hmm what happens to speed buff that happens in between? Like say 1st person already went and then the 3rd person gave the 1st person a speed buff during 3rd person’s turn? How is 1st person’s action value getting calculated? And how does the speed buff affect it when it didn’t happen in the beginning but in the middle? Please excuse my poor wording and lack of better terms as I’m kinda struggling to explain my question very well. 😅

@vuanh857 3 месяца назад

My Seele has 115 spd. After the first cycle, she has 146 spd, if I calculate base on the table, my Seele should have 3 turns on the 2nd cycle right? Or did I miss something cuz my Seele only has 2 turns on 2nd cycle

@nah4180 4 месяца назад

Wheres the Pullups in the Intro

@mrpokkee 4 месяца назад

I’ve told me editors to add it 🗿

@treasure9342 4 месяца назад

They better return, I miss them😭

@Azureyy 4 месяца назад

next video trust@@treasure9342

@deybez5698 4 месяца назад

Guys do I need the exact 160 spd or is it okay to go over it as long u acquire 160+ spd

@irium_pls 4 месяца назад

ok so basically, we just have to treat it as an equivalent to the speed formula in physics of speed = distance / time. in this case, distance is turns taken, with 10000 units for each turn, and action value is time. there are time thresholds that mark each cycle in moc so we just choose our speed threshold to match the amount of turns we want to take in an moc time threshold. action value advance cuts the distance required to travel. if we rearrange the formula to time = distance / speed, we can tell that less distance with the same speed means that less time was taken, which helps you to squeeze into those moc thresholds. temporary speed boost just means that we have to calculate the units of time taken by each turn, at the character's different speeds, and add them individually to get the total amount of time.

@aowawa 4 месяца назад

using the analogy of track and field, action advance is like a teleport

@jarmarcusnixon1580 4 месяца назад

I'm high on shrooms and this is the funniest video ever. Literally shitting myself on the toilet. Thank you Mr.Pokke!!! 🎉😊

@CapSoo999 4 месяца назад

The thing is that there will be more speed tuning characters and light cones in the future, so it’s very easy to mess up the whole thing and you need to calculate and gear again… 😂

@josephoyek6574 4 месяца назад

Ffs

@Nik-jz2kj 4 месяца назад

How much speed for fu xuan in mono quantum

@dustinc7244 4 месяца назад

My brain cant math oh god can someone help? Lets say assuming I want tingyun to move 3 times in 1 cycle, with DDD and hackerspace 4pc, 1 skill and 2 basic, how much speed would I need to achieve this?

@madsamid7696 4 месяца назад

In mr.pokke we trust for easy yo understand speed guides😢

@ritikvibhani5557 3 месяца назад

all i want to know is how many charecters do i need 140-160 speed on

@zackjackson397 4 месяца назад

Great guide on breaking down speed. My only question, cause I'm awful at speed tuning in general, is why does it matter that she goes three times in a cycle rather than building her for two turns and focus more on building her crit dmg?

@Wyqkrn 4 месяца назад

she doesn’t scale enough off of crit dmg for 2 high damage turns to equal 3 slightly less high damage turns

@dudeman757 4 месяца назад

Extra dps turn since she pulls up a character

@gym4379 4 месяца назад

Crit dmg has diminishing returns above 160 so it's better to build more speed and get more DPS turns

@blasianking4827 4 месяца назад

Because one extra turn for Sparkle means an extra turn for your DPS character, and an extra turn is generally always better than a bit better buffing.

@yesno4326 4 месяца назад

more skill uses means more action advances for your dps meaning your dps gets more turns more often than not more turns basically always is more impactful than higher crits

@stardust9470 3 месяца назад

I GENUINELY didn't know Tingyun's skill buffed her speed what

@HoYoNinety 4 месяца назад

Wait what does pokke mean at the end with quitting really soon?? No man, I hope I misheard, can someone tell me? D:

@confuseh 4 месяца назад

hi pokke

@LuteaNelum 4 месяца назад

Today on NuclearPokke: Speeeeeeeeeeeeeed

@undeniablySomeGuy 4 месяца назад

I'm just starting to watch, and I swear to god if this guide doesn't tell me why 2 != 2 speed in star rail, I'm going to eat my computer with no milk

@undeniablySomeGuy 4 месяца назад

I'm going to eat my computer with no milk

@rayzavonsleep9013 4 месяца назад

Respectfully, I'm still dented

@rdr.erased 4 месяца назад

I need a guide on how to calm down and stop my anxiety and gambling additction. But this is not the right place for that 😭

@lassie2000 4 месяца назад

Goated classroom

@AJLaz000 4 месяца назад

man, it would be great if I can get my supports at 160 spd... *UNFORTINATELY CODE TOOK ALL THEM*

@UnluckyKuro 4 месяца назад

if my units are running, wouldn't yukong be the fastests cus of her technique?

@kevingraham4736 4 месяца назад

203 speed kafka. Feels good

@darkvoid13 4 месяца назад

I miss the old subscribe clip 😢 i wanna see pokke do the chad face and pull ups 😭

@mechan1sm_ 4 месяца назад

You didn't explain, that action_forward can be less than specified: For example, on Sparkle turn your DPS has AV < 10000/speed * 0.5. When Sparkle applies action forward, DPS AV becomes zero instead of negative. Actually, doing calculations in "distances" instead of "action values" is kinda bad idea because of this little thing...

@mrpokkee 4 месяца назад

AV(min) will always be 0, distance makes it much easier to visualize.

@ondrejgardavsky 4 месяца назад

Finally a "Speed for Dummies" guide even I can understand.

@mrlj2707 4 месяца назад

While I get this (mostly 😂), my relics just don‘t allow for speed tuning beyond the usual 134+ and maybe one character 154+ Doing it with what I have is just frustrating. Jingliu is too fast, I can’t equip two fast Harmony characters, everyone has different opinions on Kafka vs BS speed etc etc

@scy11a17 4 месяца назад

So how do i build sparkle? I’m only at 144 speed with 178 cdmg. Is it better to just go slow 134 speed and get as high cdm as possible?

@Edrigangr 4 месяца назад

No it's not. Drop the extra CDM and try to hit 160 speed if possible so you can maintain 4 actions in 2 cycles. 134 speed will only give you two actions in the first cycle and then it will drop off.

@scy11a17 4 месяца назад

@@Edrigangr so first priority is 160 speed over cdm?

@blasianking4827 4 месяца назад

@@scy11a17Yes. SPD over CD every time. Extra actions >>> more buffing.

@FunTimeGhz 4 месяца назад

160 cd 160 spd

@nolifeSnorlax 4 месяца назад

Still doesn’t help me speed tune Seele and Sparkle :(

@kbyebleha2978 4 месяца назад

Yakult is elite

@dinzzz0000 4 месяца назад

We want old intro back pls 🙏😢

@WinstorFoo 4 месяца назад

5:55 Editor VA reveal?!

@smolbeans7 4 месяца назад

Ai voice

@WinstorFoo 4 месяца назад

@@smolbeans7 hahha IK Just that this first time (?) editor pitching in

@HolySl0w 4 месяца назад

for the bronya showcase: if you need 153.3 that means you need 154 speed. I was confused how u did it with only 153, i was expecting a fail... is it because the talent is higher than you thought?

@mrpokkee 4 месяца назад

153 works, because decimals are truncated in HSR. 153 can mean 153.1 or 153.9, not rounded up. also yes my talent was slightly higher

@kiharex1612 4 месяца назад

So we do not need 161 speed for sparkle to get 4 actions in 2 cycles?

@leoncecil5404 4 месяца назад

Just 160. There's decimal points that's not visually shown in the speed Stat so if you have a 160 speed sparkle, then most likely there's some hidden decimals (like 160.03 or something) that just barely meet the break point.

@ByonLe7 4 месяца назад

@@leoncecil5404the break point is 160.1, while yes there is chance u can get decimal above it, there is also chance you didn't make it. Can check via enka if u want to be precise, or just get 161 for guaranteed safe.

@pipassaurus4414 4 месяца назад

If we pair her with ruan mei is 150 enough? Since ruan mei gives 10 speed

@MechaStorm7 4 месяца назад

@@pipassaurus4414 thats right

@redfoxakame 4 месяца назад

Idk why... but I still don't get it. Not sure if I'm this dumb or if I wasn't paying attention. It's all so confusing so whatever. I'm just gonna go to whatever speed I can get. I have the worst luck in relics anyway.

@hadmos4848 4 месяца назад

9:44 if hyper speed bronya build needs 153 as seen in the math, why are you showing 161?

@martinbenitez13 3 месяца назад

So lets say hoyo make a new harmony 5* and her ult give all the team 25%adv, we could get 3 actions in 1 cycle with only (30000-8900)/150 =140.67 spd ult+dddV+vonwaq.... and with all that + wind set (30000-11400)/150=124 spd, that would be awesome!😎

@Crazmuss 4 месяца назад

So, why does Sparkle advances 100% instead of 50%?

@mrpokkee 4 месяца назад

its 50%, but your DPS doesnt start from 0 so 50% is usually enough to bump them up instantly

@lerisa_ch 2 месяца назад

tfw you need a fuckton of DDD but the game won't give you any

@llucasss6173 4 месяца назад

So.....à bronza with 134 speed can still take 2 action in the 1st cycle?!

@forestshadow0918 4 месяца назад

134 is the minimum needed speed for a character to go twice on cycle 1, that's why so many people recommend 134 speed

@treasure9342 4 месяца назад

Unless u use her basic atk for talent then she can get away with less........but u most of time don't want to do that

@wenomechainsama6002 4 месяца назад

Who was edging in the chat bro

@cantcommunicate 4 месяца назад

bro can teach a math i bet

@SerraAbyssAlisaris 4 месяца назад

HMMM Pokke is so Smort

@entiqqq 4 месяца назад

HIGHER SPEED = GG

@kazd4477 4 месяца назад

imma act like i understood

@jayb4831 4 месяца назад

Nah, Sweetily did it better 💀

@dfdoom9153 Месяц назад

RESPECTFULLY, GENUINELY, INDUBITABLY…….no

@lolifreak6419 4 месяца назад

nice sec school calculator

@theisekaiman789 4 месяца назад

I read "Seed Guide" Instead of speed guide💀

@kitaisuru 4 месяца назад

bozo just randomly shows up with 175 spd hanabi aintnoway bruh

@juliogomez2534 4 месяца назад

This is actually very well explained and detailed to a T. With this I can finally get my friends to stop ignoring DanceX3.

@biscuithammer2000 4 месяца назад

omg i watched the whole video and first...ok i lied

@Yourpalhui 4 месяца назад

Instructions unclear, only drank yakult and ignored the rest

@Ghrifter 4 месяца назад

thank you for your "Speed Guide for dummies"

@0__-__0. 4 месяца назад

idk man Im stil Dentge

@cakeman4527 4 месяца назад

>gacha smack: if your sparkle isn't going thrice every cycle then you have skill issue >me seeing this guide bro what is smack even on, it's genuinely unrealistic

@mechan1sm_ 4 месяца назад

Please write more math formulas instead of EN words. Ones may mistranslate/misunderstand the words. So for permanent speed buff: new_speed_requirement = old_speed_requirement - 0.1 * base_speed

@frdmsh 4 месяца назад

Wtf still no pull up in intro????? I can't even fr genuinely

@Dzukari 4 месяца назад

Genuinely golden trash tier guide even normal trash can understand

@gamingzone_8142 4 месяца назад

I went to frick Mr pokke Soo bad 😞😔

@syakiraiman3360 4 месяца назад

Ayo as a MALAYSIAN right, RESPECTFULLY lah, just saying that GENUINELY Malaysian food is better lah. 😬😬

@kuruzaru 4 месяца назад

Cool. But speed tuning is dog💩. There already are enemies who slow you down or something like that and all speed tuning is falling apart in 1 sec. And surely there will be more enemies like that in the future. So I don't care that much about that. I get it that Bronya need 134 spd if dps is 135. Same with Sparkle [160+spd if slow dps] My question about Bronya is... How much speed for slow Blade/Jingliu? It's 160 like for Sparkle or less/more? I finally got Bronya for my 300 standard pulls. For now she is at 129 spd because my Blade is 130 spd [with Ruan Mei it's still fine]. But I want to switch to slow Jingliu and Blade because i'm tired of farming spd boots with crit rate and crit dmg. Those pieces just doesn't exist. But I have a lot of atk and hp pieces with double crit.

@minhdragon2000 4 месяца назад

For slow dps, Bronya will pull dps up exactly like Sparkle does which means your Bronya speed is effectively your dps speed, and it lower the chance enemies break your speed tuning (you only need to keep Bronya from getting slow debuff). Firstly you set expectation on how many cycles your team would need to clear a wave, then refer to speed threshold table at (02:25) and choose the speed goal you want. A strong team would generally clear a wave at cycle 2 so people generally recommend 160 spd but if your damage isn't enough then you can aim for spd breakpoint on cycle 3 or 4 row of the table. The case of speed breakpoint can be different when action advance involved (06:48), Bronya would shorten 3000 distance (30% action advance) per basic attack. So if you do basic, skill, skill rotation on Bronya then your speed goal would be something like: - For 4 actions in 2 cycles: (40000 - 3000) / 250 = 148 spd - For 6 actions in 3 cycles: (60000 - 6000) / 350 = 154.286 spd ...etc

@treasure9342 4 месяца назад

2 words BRING CLEANSER like bronya, lynx, loucha, hou hou........and if u have none of them bring boring natasha