The Origin of Super Saiyan 3 Goku Explained 

This is my favorite super Saiyan form of Goku just him screaming was awesome

Exactly it was badass hands down

I just wish the power drain was not ever a thing. But I get it. A quick fight and yada yada 😒

Bruce faulconer score back in toonami days

It sure was indeed

I’d rather the same idea be played out more like it being sort of a glass cannon. A form with more strength and speed than any other but even Yamaha’s Wolf Fang Punch defeats it if you get hit.

Yup I agree. If ssj3 was stable then ss2 would be the forgotten middle sibling. Ssj the classic, ssj 2 the middle form, ssj3 the long haired final form (during Z).

It's not unstable. It was even stated in this video that even in late dragon Ball z Goku simply didn't have enough time to master it. Each Super saiyan form with the exception of fully mastered super Saiyan 1, puts strain on their body. Super Saiyan 2, when mastered, just accelerates stress over time. Super Saiyan 3 is just like Super Saiyan Blue, it is strain on the body at all times. Except Mastered Super Saiyan Blue is more stressful than Super Saiyan 2 but less stressful than mastered Super Saiyan 3. Well I hope that clears that up.

It's quite obvious in the entire series that only mastered Super Saiyan 1 allows you to recover while in that state. Every other form is strain on the body at some level, And you cannot actively recover unless you go out of that form. Regular Super Saiyan God clearly has regenerative abilities for both ki and the user's health but it is still stressing their body.

@@ProjectEchoshadow that is what ui could have been

Fusion Reborn is one of my favorite DBZ movies

Yeah that line was epic

great movie!

That’s a great theory but that wouldn’t explain gotenks getting it unless fusion gives you unlimited energy. Much love 🙏🏾

I've been thinking about this as well. Geekdom said, in order to analyze SSJ3, we have to look at 2. During Goku and Gohan's training in the Time Room, He figured out how to utilize the SSJ form while being and maintaining that form... But you have to consider, they're training is in an atmosphere where the rules are different than Earth's or Namek's. Goku, training in the afterlife, in a completely different physical plain where the rules of Stamina, energy, and even pain don't apply to the physical realm. Geekdom mentioned that SSJ3 is a stamina guzzler. And he may be right that Goku may have not had much time with that form, but, if we consider Goten and Trunks fused as Gotenks learned SSJ3, it didn't have the same totality as with Goku. We only understood that it consumes massive energy to maintain. With Goku, his stamina/energy was tied to his time on Earth, and was hastened and cut his time on Earth, as he was not even there for the full 24hrs. And with Gotenks, it was their Fusion that was shortened from 30 mins to less. I believe that the kind of atmosphere they were in played a huge role as to how and why they were able to achieve SSJ3, and plays a role as to how long they can maintain it. And this is something I never hear anyone talk about.

Is there a ss2 master version?

I like this but they’d need to explain gotenks and the dbs ssj 3

@@themachine1679 In all fairness, Goku didn't really use SSJ 3 that often.

He knew that anyway, because of the massive amount of ki it takes to maintain it. He would have to know exactly how much power it took and how much time it would take from his day pass, which makes perfect sense considering that he presumably could maintain it indefinitely in other world. Goku is a SAVANT in regards to ki control and fight physics.

I ilke the "Ascended" SS2 idea. I always saw the Ascended states like this: SS1 Grade 2 is a tiny "preview" of SS2's whole package. (Increase of power/speed but moderate decrease of stamina). SS1 Grade 3 is also a preview of SS2, but a full scope preview of SS2's Power only. (Giant increase of power, but giant decrease of speed AND stamina). So yes I kind of believe that Grade 3 aka Ultra SS gives you access to SS2's Power only, but with such decrease of speed (and stamina), how can you land that SS2 missile without a properly optimized targeting system? SS2 = the true evolution of SS1. (Giant increase of Power and Speed, with maybe only minimal-moderate stamina drain similar to SS1 unmastered).

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Until it got sidelined 🥲

Keyword "used too" 😢

@@imdavidbaby It would still be if I were on the writing staff. All these extra transformations are cringy

yes no doubt,aside from gohan’s mystic form and fusion

You're right. I forgot about that. It dont make sense that Gotanks can go SS3. When Trunks and Gotan cant.

Same here I honestly I wished there was an way for him to master it

I think he will not have any quick energy drain in my opinion, but what do you think?

I’m pretty sure we have mastered ssj3 in gt

Cumber, the Dragon Ball Heroes character, is Almost ALWAYS seen in SSJ3 when transformed. Sure the series is just fan service, but I would say he has the most controlled SSJ3. Even takes on SSJ4 Broly and looks to be on par

I bet Goten and trunks will perfect it

Yeah it’s definitely a classic moment

You would think so

He has point though. You seen how much ChiChi went on at Gohan not to fight and be a scholar. Because of this Gohan can bearly fight at times without getting his butt handed to him. I don't think he meant just anger though. It does make sense about Vegeta being more mellowed out by his family. Not that dbz follows logic.

Each saiyan has a different emotional path to transformation

Only the internet made people do that mess. In person prior to youtube everybody I knew loved SSJ3 and GT even though many loved Z more.

As a kid a read it had to do with training while dead

Yes, I understand that, what I read that there was no rage trigger for 3, like geekdom was speculating.

This was always a thing and even noted by Raditz when Goku did a Kamehameha, as Goku's ki rose significantly when he concentrated it to a single point.

to be honest i think it's intentionally meant to be unexplained as to how goku discovered ssj3. remember way back right after vegeta vs android 18 when goku visited vegeta at that rock where vegeta cried in the rain? _somehow_ they both independently came to the conclusion that there was a form above SSJ1. it's never really explained how they both miraculously discovered this. i think basically the same thing happened here. when goku unlocked super saiyan 2 at some point between cell and buu, he somehow sensed there was a form above it. i am somewhat confused as to why vegeta never considered any form above regular ssj2 during the years between cell and buu. given that he did actually sense the existence of higher forms above ssj1 even before goku talked to him about it. goku has always been better at discovering forms than vegeta though. in terms of training, goku is an innovator whereas vegeta is a grinder. notice how he never stops torturing himself in the gravity chamber, and he even went back into the time chamber when goku decided to rest. on the other hand, goku discovered ssj1 first. goku discovered the perfected super saiyan grade 4 first. goku was probably the first one to actually imagine the true ssj2 (whereas vegeta thought the best they could do was ssj1 grade 2, trunks thought the best was grade 3, and gohan had literally no idea tf he was doing--gohan only got ssj2 because he did exactly what goku told him to do and gohan was the only one strong enough at the time for goku's theories and instructions to actually succeed in unlocking ssj2). so yeah goku was always more of an innovator whereas vegeta mainly focused on increasing his raw power through incredibly hard training.

@@pIayingwithmahwii that's brilliant 👏

Gotenks - TA DAA

The difference is that Goku doesnt fight to win, a loss is just as much a win for him because he sees that a new goal post. Vegeta however wants to be the best and stay the best, he want to prove he is the best. Goku is not interested in that, he seeks endless sparring partners to better himself.

@@SAsaiyajin very well put sir!!! Will ALWAYS be a Dragon Ball fan!!!

@@SAsaiyajin That's easy to SAY but here's the thing about that: Goku's ok with a loss here or there - but he's never found himself forever chasing someone's shadow, trying to catch up for decades, only to still be one step behind. I think one of the most interesting story arcs Dragonball could take would be for Vegeta to outright surpass Goku in every way - to be clearly, unambiguously stronger than him and beat him badly in battle - and to STAY ahead for a good chunk of time. Imagine what that would do to their dynamic. Vegeta suddenly has achieved what he's been after all these years - not just surpassing Goku for a little bit - he's done that before - but for a LONG time and by a massive margin that Goku cannot seem to bridge no matter how hard he trains. I think that'd be super interesting because you'd get to explore what happens to a guy like Vegeta when he has nothing left to chase - he's not DRIVEN to simply be better than himself or fight just for fun - he is driven to be the best, the strongest - it's everything to him. If he ACHIEVES that....what next? Perhaps he loses all interest in fighting. For GOKU's part, I do think it would get to him. It would have to. Goku DOES have an arrogant, cocky side- we see it at times like when Goku comes out of the time chamber and basically says "I know keeping up with me is important to you so go on in, you'll need all the training you can get" before flat out stating he's stronger. He definitely has some of that saiyan arrogance in him and in fact Whis points out that Goku's arrogance is an issue for him in that it leaves him open too much. WHy is Goku arrogant? Because he's very very used to WINNING or at least knowing that if he trains hard he CAN eventually win. But what if Vegeta, this guy he viewed as as a bit of a non-threat, leaves him in the dust? At first he'd go "oh! Great Vegeta! I'll catch up soon!" - but then if he trains like mad and finds that Vegeta pulls even further ahead, he DOES how frustration and anger when he's been humiliated before. He is capable of being butthurt. What if a year or two pass and the gap keeps widening? He HAS to feel that one. Somewhere inside, Goku has saiyan pride - and he doesn't like to lose. He is optimistic and enthusiastic because life taught him that all he has to do is apply himself and he can surmount any obstacle. If presented with something he CAN'T get past, it may well get to him after a while.

@@kalevipoeg6916 Goku has always been cocky😅, haven't you watched early Dragon Ball? Its his cockiness and innocent immaturity. Only thing Super did wrong with Goku is playing a bit too much on his immaturity which was a bit out of character based on Z and even him as a Kid. Vegeta is also more family orientated than Goku is which is ironic. Much more responsible character outside of training and fighting. Goku doesnt know any better than doing how he was raised to maintain his lifestyle.

Yes he literally said it

That's exactly what I think and have always thought.

You all never watched the series lol,this is the most stupid debate ever in dragon ball,vegeta got ssj2 during the 7 year time skip,it is stated everywere,he just needed majin to close the gap

@@Man1999-cy8yeNo, Vegeta got SS2 only when Majin.

@@stefanof.j.982 in your head cannon maybe

@@Man1999-cy8ye maybe yours…

Same here 😊😊

Gotenks could to. Goku stated its rather easy to unlock. You just have to find the energy deep inside you and push hard. It's like taking a huge dump to put it simply. It's simple to unlock but maintaining the form is another story do to the massive ki guzzler it is. But then again goku may not have had the form for long so he didn't take much time to master it. In Dragon ball heroes there is a mastered version of super saiyan 3 called "Super Saiyan 3 full power".

...what.

It would be beyond sherron power only porguna or super sherron can do that

@@gregkareem9824 nah,but it's a stupid wish

@@TheBillhs I disagree 👎

@@gregkareem9824 the form has been powercrept and if you re gonna spend a wish you could just wish for immortality or power outright,what is there to disagree about greg karen?