One of my favorite things about the Alien Anthology blu ray box set is the documentary on Alien 3, and what the original plan had been. It's fascinating stuff.
I watched the so-called Director’s Cut of Alien 3 and was very impressed. Haven’t watched the theatrical release ever again. Actually I could say the same thing bout all the movies in Alien Anthology, possibly the best box set I’ve ever seen.
@@craiganderson7986 Not to be that guy but it’s not a director’s cut, it the “Assembly Cut”. Director David Fincher was offered to make a director’s cut but he declined.
I think it's pretty interesting. Especially the assembly cut*. They gave the alien itself a personality and the first person fish-eye lense scenes were pretty cool. The design is awesome, despite the horrid cgi. The dynamic between the prisoners with each other and with Ripley was interesting enough, and they were not entirely devoid of charisma. Feel like there is a pretty brilliant film underneath all the issues sabotaging it. The biggest thing though is the idea that the xenomorph takes on some of the genetic traits of its host. Pretty much essential to all the spin-off comics and games. * I prefer the theatrical version up through the alien birth/funeral scene. Didn't think it made any sense that Ripley was found on the beach a half mile from where the ship crashed in the middle of (water?). Also dog makes more sense than dead cow in giving it that quadrupedal predator feel.
1992: James Cameron regarded the killing of Newt, Hicks & Bishop as "a slap in the face to him and fans of the previous film". (Charlton Heston's epic laugh from the original *"Planet of The Apes")* 2019: James Cameron helped with the story for *"TERMINATOR: Dark Fate"* where in the film's opening, John Connor is killed in front of Sarah J. Connor, by Skynet's surviving T-800 Model 101.
The Hicks and Bishop storyline mirroring the Cold War arms race sounds interesting, I was hoping they would have done more with the Colonial Marines and the Weyland-Yutani corporation being taken down.
But those would be typical Hollywood blockbuster happy ending story lines, while Alien is supposed to be hard hitting horror and dystopian science fiction.
You have no idea. As a lover of alien and aliens and then watching alien 3 I was absolutely crushed. Immediately killing my favorites was just like why do I even bother watching this new film. So sad
It could've been justifiable if they'd delivered a great script but the studio trolls had to interfere trying to push Fincher around ect. Newt and Hicks's deaths could've illustrated how bleak and hopeless Ripley's story had become and shown why Ripleys willingness to die made sense in the end.
You know instead of a standard “prison colony” it could have been a remote Weyland-Yutani Corporation outpost for dissent employees who where still under contract but forced to complete work far away as to not cause trouble. Like a futuristic version of getting reassigned to the basement of a building. That way it could be relatable to people who feel under appreciated working for big companies or something.
4:14 "Yea we just feel like there wasn't really an emotional journey for Hicks.... So to fix that we decided he just fucking dies in a crash along with everyone else besides Ripley..." Truly inspirational genius
The problem with any third Alien movie was explaining how any Alien got on to the _Sulaco_ in the first place. That was the biggest problem with _Alien 3_ .
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They should’ve offered Cameron a blank check to come back. Even though he did had a rough experience on Aliens, no one else has yet been able to make a good sequel after his films.
Could you please cover the unmade Predator films like The Hunt: Alien vs Predator, Robert Rodriguez’s original draft for Predators, and the sequel to Predators 2010?
It was also turned into a audio book, with Micheal Biehn and Lance Henriksen reprising their role as Hicks and Bishop. It's available on audible and I highly recommend it.
@@elliott2513 No, you're thinking about the old Dark Horse comic. Those comic were made before Alien³ was even greenlit, those comic serve as a direct sequel to Aliens. But those comics were awesome.
@@Agenthellion they were totally awesome! I'm gonna check out the audiobook, because I always thought Hicks was awesome (probably even more so after reading that old comic if I am being honest). Thanks for the recommendation.
Alien Resurrection was an adaptation of the second Alien comic series from Dark Horse. When I realized that it made me excited that we’d get a fifth Aliens movie based on the third comic series called Earth War. The alternate Gibson Alien 3 comic wasn’t that great. Not for me.
It really is hilarious, you can add anything there ... Especially with ellipsis + but/more = " Aliens ... with Monks! " or " It's Aliens! Now with ¹⁰⁰% More Monks! " like an infomercial or such ^~^
The Documentary from the DVDs also states that one of the reasons they didn’t go with the wooden space station was because the special effects guy who supposed to build it complained and said that it was implausible for this thing to exist the way it was supposed to in the story, having gravity and a dense breathable atmosphere like a real planet logistically just didn’t make sense and would be totally unbelievable and the audience was supposed to believe that these monks have disavowed technology from their lives and are dependent on natural resources yet their space station would have to be a highly sophisticated mechanism and would require tons of engineers to operate it. Vincent Wards story is interesting but his story works as a standalone fantasy novel, not an Alien film and they should have adapted William Gibsons script instead. Alien 3 has it’s moments but it constantly seems unfinished, there’s tons of plots holes, even David Fincher states that no one on the production team could ever figure out how to justify there being an Alien onboard the ship to infect Ripley, again they just expected the audience to leave it up to our imaginations to figure that part out.
Yeah, the ‘wooden planet’ concept would be hard to go with but it really wouldn’t have been hard to wind that back a bit to being a small out of the way planet with just these monks on it in a huge wooden monastery, which would have worked just as well and been easy to film.
Not really. So sick of how many people cry about "sequels" and sequels not doing anything more than repeating the last film but bigger.....They actually take the biggest chance killing off Newt and Hicks and people cry about them doing the most extreme, different possible thing. It wasn't a daunting task to grasp that Alien 3 was mainly how the Alien had taken every possible thing from Ripley right up to taking her life. Not everything needs to have a happy, circle jerk, skipping off into the sunset ending. Its OK for a story to end, what they shouldn't have done was made Resurrection and just ended Ripley's story at Alien 3. Future movies could have even noted how these things took everything from Ripley and why they needed to be stopped
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It’s actually crazy when you search up the origins of She Hulk since Stan Lee basically co created her because he found out the network behind the Incredible Hulk tv show were planning a spin off on a female hulk like the bionic woman spin off from the Six million dollar man so Stan didn’t want the studio to create their own hulk there for owning the hulk name so he rushed a she hulk comic making sure she’s marvels property as opposed to a tv studio property
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While I respect a different opinion, to me, that treatment sounded dumb as hell. It was the kind of story someone who knows nothing about filmmaking and screenplays would make. 80% of it sounded unfilmable, especially in the late 80’s/early 90’s. There was just too much going on in that story to make sense in a two hour movie. Some of it sounded pretty interesting, like setting the plot against the backdrop of a Cold War in space. Hiwever, choosing to shift the focus from Ripley to Hicks makes no sense. Why is Hicks important? Sure, he was a cool character in Aliens, but he has no importance in the overall story. He’s completely interchangeable with any of the other colonial marines characters. Aside from that, the treatment sounds like another Alien/Aliens retread, just in a different setting. There’s no arc at all. The version of Alien 3 that we got, while seemingly a retread of Alien/Aliens and as flawed as it is, at least gives the story and the character of Ripley some finality. We go from a small crew of rather helpless space truckers pitted against a single threat to a badass group of marines who are no match for this unstoppable mass force, back around to a rather helpless group of prisoners pitted against a singular threat.
I honestly would've loved to see the monk version of Alien 3. It sounds so different and unique. The monk literally being pulled down the toilet, by the artwork shown on screen, and just the idea of it is the kinda scene you'd see for the announcement trailer or those small snippets of people freaking out in the theatre for the TV Spots or something like that. I might be crazy to think this but I think a monk forcibly being dragged down a toilet was the inspiration for the Newborn Xenomorph being sucked out to space in Resurrection. The things I wouldn't wanna see if it was made that way: one, ditch the idea of Ripley hacking up the Chestburster and the monk taking it in his own body. And Ripley still has to die. It just sounds like the right way to end Ripley's journey. Sorry for writing a whole damn essay comment, just giving my two cents on the whole thing.
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Considering how directors are thrown under the bus when a movie flops, it's kind of a miracle Fincher got to work again. And whatever happened to Vincent Ward? The Navigator is a great underrated movie.
This is gold! The narrator sounds like the lighthouse keeper from Rick and Morty in the episode "Look who's purging now" as he reads his screenplay that Morty has to "sit through" 😄
One Interesting tidbit is that the orignal cut was so gory even crew memebers were disgusted by it, specifically it was the Autopsy of Newt scene, in the end most of the footage was removed because of it.
A wooden space station was the worst possible idea they could've come up with. It'd be taking a childish wrecking ball to the Aliens universe. It's too conceptual and far-out for an Alien film. I genuinely lament the fact you're out here praising it like it's worthy idea...
@@mr.afrikaans1747 why lament something that you've already got your wish on? Seems very heavy handed to use a word associated with funerals for something as insignificant as what some random dude wishes for on the internet that has 0 chance of coming true.
It now makes sense why Alien3 didn't match up to the originals. Scott and Cameron had time to go over their projects thoroughly, whereas this movie was given a rushed deadline, so many directors rejected the concept and was given to a director with no knowledge and limited experience. There was studio interference with the script and set, and certain memorable characters were killed off. This movie would be a prelude of what would happen two decades later with the MCU and Disney Star Wars.
8:42 “Including one gruesome scene in the lavatory where several monks witness one of their colleagues get violently pulled down into the toilet by a xenomorph.” Was it like, an outhouse toilet or something? The xenomorph just casually waiting in the shitter for someone to come dookie on it lmao. Also, how would they witness him get pulled into the toilet? Were there no stalls and therefore no privacy, so the monks would all just sit around watching each other take shits? I’m just really curious how this scene was supposed to happen. I’m guessing that the “witnesses” would hear him scream and run to the stall, getting there just seconds after the monk got yoinked into the crapper, but they wouldn’t actually see anything.
@@kudosbudoThe comment was mostly centered around my joke and B&B using the word “witnessing” him getting pulled down into the toilet, which none of the other people shitting actually see in that image. They also showed a sheep with a human face on its ass, so these are storyboards representing the general idea and not necessarily how it would have been shown in the movie. But you are correct, there was an image giving the general idea of what it would look like, even if I doubt that’s actually how they would have shot it.
The Assembly Cut is my favorite 'Alien' movie. Even with all the drama going on behind the scenes, an entertaining movie came out of it. The movie reflected all of the turmoil, with the alien itself being Hollywood.
Fincher’s vibe and “look” of Alien 3 was my favorite. It was gloriously gross but beautiful. People treat it like Nickelback. 1-3 were great imo. It’s everything after that.. actually, Alien Isolation would’ve been great.
Looking back, they should have used William Gibson's screenplay for Alien 3, and then followed it up with Vincent Ward's for Alien 4. It really ties together. The only change would be Hicks, Bishop and Newt don't die offscreen, but since Ripley was in a coma in Alien 3, she'd wake up and assume they're dead, all while dealing with the visual insanity of being on a Wooden Planet filled with Luddite Monks. Then reunite Ripley, Hicks and Newt in a trilogy or tetralogy adaptation of Earth War.
Alien 3: Assembly Cut is the perfect end to the original trilogy, is an underrated masterpiece, and one of the *best* films in the entire franchise. Yes, I will die on that hill.
The monk planet idea is definitely a weird and interesting idea that, in a roundabout way, would’ve harkened back to the artsier roots of the first Alien. The one problem with this is was the mandate to have Ripley come back, which lead to Hicks Bishop and Newt dying in the script, therefore cheapening Aliens’s ending. Not to mention the plot hole of Ripley getting a chestburster even though the Queen didn’t have any opportunity to lay one. If they replaced Ripley with a new character, this would be legit amazing
wait, so producers rejected the original script because it didnt give enough of a story for Hicks? And missing the cyberpunk aesthetic? So then they did neither in the end?
This might be the most fascinating episode you've ever done, and my goodness, the editing is so top-notch. Imagine if this killed David Fincher's career, we would've lost one of the best directors of our time. Thanks for another smash hit video bro.
When I learned about it, in the Alien box set with that great disc of extras, and saw all the amazing production art, I was SO PISSED OFF we never got to see Vincent's vision on screen. And Navigator is brilliant.
They should’ve never attempted to make a third one, the second has the perfect ending for the characters. Also can’t believe Disney now owns the franchise
Possible future video suggestions: * Previous plans for the Twister sequel * Previous plans for the Independence Day sequel * Previous plans for the District 9 sequel * Canceled plans for the World War Z sequel
I still stand by that Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 is a perfect story for Ripley. I majorly love Alien 3, and the fact that David Fincher managed to produce something that good with everything going against him, was honestly a miracle. To me, Alien 3 ended the franchise and the last Alien film in my eyes.
I don't think Alien 3 is a great film but an impressive one once you know all the sheer chaos that went into it's troubled production. And to be fair, it nails it's atmosphere pretty well and develops Bishop more as he chooses self destruction despite there being an Alien threatening human lives (meaning he's somehow overcome his directives). Also it's still infinitely better than Resurection. Holy crap that film is aweful.
@@alnu8355 resurrection was a decent watch. But agree, it definitely shouldnt be canon. To open ended and to many loopholes. At least a couple male characters lived at the end this time. Watched romulus, and it totally fits into canon, goes full circle back to the first movie, and all the characters development through the movie was excellent, it literally ties them all together except for resurrection. Only complaint about it really is it shouldve been a half hour longer. But very excellent movie all the way through. Kid that played the new android in the film totally outshines everyone in the film. Kid is absolutely amazing actor. N the new girl, well thats EXACTLY how you get people invested in female heroins. Absolutely excelkent acting and character development in romulus. Id put it right there with the first 3 movies. I loved it, romulous ties up some loose ends from other movies and fills in a few gaps in story lines as well. 👍👍 highly recommend romulus
@@jessespencer1019 I'm not a fan of Alien 3 to be honest, but the director made the best out of a bad situation. Alien Resurrection was a trainwreck and a horrible film. Absolutely horrible, no ifs ands or butts. Easily the worst to that point. Just my opinion. Disgusting film too.
@@chrisloesch1870 I thought the director did an amazing job with the shitshow he was handed. I honestly think they should reboot resurrection, using sygourney weaver
Sigourney Weaver was part of the reason that Alien 3 was such a disaster during development, but Fox Studios had a hand in that too with the dispute over royalties. Weaver's insistence on "no guns" made it even more difficult to come up with a film where someone could overcome the Alien(s) and then her holding out until after set construction started and filming began through another wrench into the whole process.
The title of this video just reminded me of Alien: Salvation. It was a comic with art by Mike Mignola (Hellboy) about a religious man who viewed the Xenos as demons. If anyone hasn’t read it, check it out.
I love the parallel that Alien 3 originally wanted to lean into cold war warfare and got trapped in production hell and goes in a different direction while Star Trek opts to do a film about the end of the cold war in space and ends up with one of the best films in the series.
Bro! That would've been a sight to see! He's such a visualist director with a surreal feel in his movies and camera angles. And his other films like 12 Monkeys and Brazil shows what that grungy industrial futuristic nightmare might've looked like.
@@alexmacleod3728 I'm not surprised. I'm surprised he never did a comic book movie with his style. He could've still been considered for Batman Forever after Burton left. (Or even Alex Proyas.)
Rex Pickett interview about his time on the project is epic in all the wrong ways. Its weird neither Don Simpson or Jon Peters had no involvement with it
I know it’s a hot take but i would’ve gone with Gibson’s script. It had legs just needed people to cooperate with the idea and concept to flesh it out along the way I think they abandoned it prematurely.
To think, after all that script meddling - they eventually figured out Ripley’s motivation for the film: Revenge on the Company for stitching up the crew of the Nostromo (in Alien) by ensuring they never got their hands on a Xenomorph specimen. Aliens was a big-budget rehash of the first film, during which the director used the franchise and the production company’s money to try out a number of ideas he had for Avatar (when he figured cribbing the Pocahontas story was better than his “mother” idea). In doing so, he weakened the threat of the Alien species and backed the sequel’s producers into a corner, whereby they either had to repeat/escalate the combat seen in Aliens or contrive a scenario where the humans had no firearms. On balance, the “Assembly Cut” of Alien 3 suggest a superior story to the William Gibson one. Shame David Fincher never got the chance to make the film he wanted. Smartest move I think they made was killing off the survivors from Aliens. *Nobody* survives an encounter with the Xenomorph, not really - even Ripley (the main Protagonist for the series) didn’t survive two encounters. That’s your threat restored. Fucking children wanting a happy ending (the patched together family sailing off into the sunset). Do you not realise the future depicted in these films - one way or another, everyone a slave to the Weyland-Yutani Corporation - is dystopian?
@@freedomwriter9688 In Alien, a small group of people working in isolated conditions encounter a dangerous creature which kills all of them bar one, who goes back to rescue a cat. She and the cat barely escape a mining ship going thermonuclear but unbeknownst to them, the titular Alien stows away on their escape ship and has to be flushed out of an air lock before the credits roll. In Aliens a larger group of people working in isolated conditions encounter the same species as in Alien. A number of dangerous creatures wipe them out (bar one child, who miraculously survives due to a plot contrivance) along with the majority of a rescue team sent to investigate. The survivors barely escape the mining colony just before it goes thermonuclear, with the one from Alien returning to rescue the child. Unbeknownst to them a giant alien stows away and makes it to their escape ship, with the one from Alien having to flush it out of an airlock before the credits roll. Don’t tell me it’s not a rehash, just because you can’t see beyond the grander production scale of the sequel. The main difference is that the Nostromo crew were clearly set up by the Company. Burke (the “Company Man” - a mere imp of Satan) is the one depicted as being responsible for exposing the colonists and the marines to the alien species, personally wishing to gain (through recovery of a live specimen) in Aliens.
I for one hope to see some of these un-filmed scripts happen at some point, re-invisioned NOT as movies, but as triple-A video games. Plenty of them have all the necessary narrative elements, which would make the setting & story beats of a video game, quite compelling for the player. Plus, it could bring back legacy characters from the franchise (as well as create new ones) w/o having them to commit to a feature film at their current age - & having them appear as they would back then.
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Loved it. I thought I knew more about this production, but you had so much new content in here, that it was absolutely perfect. I thought the Monks version was the one that got away, but that two movie plot with Hicks in the first one was a missed opportunity. And I never knew that the monks version had originally a version with Ripley surviving, so kudos to you for this very well and informative video. One of my favorites so far.
I will be grateful for alien 3 because this movie was the one thet established that the xenomorph takes genetic traits of host. This lead to a really interesting expanded universe.
This sounds so much better than what became Alien 3 and Resurrection. They should have stuck with 90-95 percent of this script for Alien 3 and 4, and maybe added a little more to the character development of Hicks!
Another great video. Love this franchise and looking forward to Romulus. And glad you decided to keep doing the voice over. Wouldn’t feel the same. Keep up the good work man. Will look forward to the next video. Maybe Superman: Flyby that you once threw as a suggestion?
Alien 3 Theatrical Cut is obviously a mess and not that great, however the recent Assembly Cut that Fox put together with fixed audio and line dubbing by the original actors is a much better film. Fincher's style actually shows in that version.
I read finchers original script & it wasn’t much better than the movie we got. All the ideas pitched before abandoning the monks were awesome. Going to xeno prime would’ve been amazing. The Cold War plans for 3-4 would’ve been so badass. I wish they’d adapt those into comics
I actually quite like the alien 3 directors cut. It’s aged rather well. Especially considering all the alien movies since it came out. Cameron is out of his mind about the killing off of characters. This is a horror series. Main characters get knocked off in them.
