I will always think of the 2003 tie in video game as the unofficial Hulk 2, as the story takes place 8 years after the film. I used to play it on PS2 all the time
The hulk games were so much fun, especially the incredible hulk one. I always love the open world super hero games (incredible hulk, spiderman 2,3, and ultimate, superman returns, the whole arkham series.). I would love something similar to the ultimate alliance games, but open world where depending on the hero you’re playing as, the repeatable crimes would differ, like if you’re playing street level, you mostly take out thugs mugging people, carjackers, bank robberies ect. (Some with supervillainslike shocker or rhino aiding regular guys), and once every few random crimes a supervillain plot. If you’re playing avengers level, you’re facing terrorists, natural disasters, and supervillain plots. If you’re playing a cosmic level character (silver surfer, sentry, ect,) then it’s supervillain plots/natural disasters being as common as muggings for street level, with random event threats like galactus, kang, skrulls, or thanos being the rare ones.
@@marcusmyers4822The problem with that game while it is a great idea is that, the gameplay mechanics are so completely different for the different characters, that these games are never able to find a good medium ground with it. Like how about a semi open world Avengers game where you have Iron Man mentoring Spider Man in NY. T’Challa and Shuri in Wakanda. Captain America on a mission in London. Thor and Captain Marvel vs Skrulls somewhere in space like maybe the dead celestial head Knowhere, and for the fun part Hulk in the void. The point is that you have these 5 different maps and stories that you beat the NY portion first than you can choose the order of the other ones to play in as they all will leave off with a cliffhanger involving needing to contact Avengers HQ. At which point you can a final portion of where they are all teaming up which would eventually lead to the void for the Endgame. The scale of the open world for each would have to be scaled back of course. Gameplay wise flying mechanics between Iron Man, Thor, and Captain Marvel should be able to be similar enough to fit in same engine with tweaks to each character. Like Iron Man would be a little more mechanical and sudden in his accelerate and decelerate action, whereas Captain Marvel would be super fluid, and Thor in between. The boomerang physics for throwing Cap shield should be similar to that of Thor hammer. On the street level Spider-Man, Cap, T’Challa, and Shuri should all have similar silky smooth and fast movement abilities that are also great for stealth. Spider-Man web shooting is unique but would not need to be super in depth, and a similar mechanic can be used for other characters to shoot a grappling gun, like Black Widow would in the $DLC of course. But T’Challa and Shuri should be able to scale a wall very similar to Spidey. Hulk would be just the classic button smashing brute. And the best part is once you beat the game you unlock the greatest hero of them all, the guy who saved the Avengers and he entire universe, Look Out For The Little Guy, and you unlock Scott Lang’s Ant Man. All jokes aside I don’t know how Ant-Man abilities could fit into a team game like this but for a solo game he would make for a crazy good one being able to shrink and grow in size could be exploited for some really creative things.
My copy I borrowed from the Video Ezy was buggy, couldn't load cutscenes :( the only way I could see the whole game was if I used the maximum strength cheat to one-shot bosses 😭
It’s crazy how early they had interest in Red Hulk for the MCU because of the fact that he had only been introduced in 2008 and that they had already interest in making him a villain for a future movie
@@billtree52Killmonger is completely different from T’Challa and he only wears BP outfit a little bit at end where obviously he would look like T’Challa because he had the mantle then, same way Shuri looked like him because she now has the mantle. And Whiplash looks absolutely nothing like Iron-Man so I don’t even know what to say to that.
Hulk was/is one of the pillars of Marvel. One of the most popular and beloved characters they have. The way they've disrespected him in the MCU is absolutely wild. One single solo movie, and then Planet Hulk is turned into a Thor movie, and Red Hulk and the Leader and Sabra is in a Captain America movie. The last time we saw him actually turn from Bruce into the Hulk was in The Avengers. That's his thing, and we haven't seen it in over a decade.
Good point, everyone in the Avengers had a standalone movie post Iron Man except the Hulk. He's just been used as a side character. Even She-Hulk got her own series.
As I understand it, Marvel got with Ruffalo at one point and had a discussion, saying, “We can’t give you a solo film because of rights stuff with Universal, but we want to give Hulk an arc across three films,” and after talking to Mark about where they wanted to take the character and where he was interested in taking him, that ended up being the story across Thor: Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame, which each borrowed heavily from Hulk plots in the comics. Nevermind that they really glossed over the resolution of the arc in Endgame, but otherwise I think it was a smart move on their part to retain creative control of the character while also giving him more than just cameos in team up films. And to date, I think his storyline in Thor: Ragnarok is one of the most enjoyable appearances of the Hulk in movies.
@justinarzola4584 Hulk deserves to be a top-level character like Spider-Man, but studios don't see value, and people think that Hulk is overrated. It's sad
back in the 70s and 80s Hulk was the #1 marvel character because of the tv show. People forget that even normies knew about the hulk back then. I would say the big 3 were Superman, Batman and Hulk.
It's crazy how after all these years, we are finally gonna see the Leader and Red Hulk not in a Hulk movie, but in a Captain America one. Thanks for another "Incredible" episode bro. You never cease to amaze me.
@@cable7152 Red Hulk looks like what i expected putting the actors face in the monster making it look uncanny and weird instead of separating the monster and the human like the Incredible Hulk did and idk how the Leader is practical we haven’t seen anything about his design
If Universal ever gives up the distribution rights because Disney and Marvel still can't make a Hulk movie due to Universal still owning the distribution rights
The one I wanted most was The Incredible Hulk 2 with Norton. While Leterrier said Norton’s script for the first movie was long and had less hulk, Norton was still a big fan of the character. He wanted to do the character justice and even helped with the Hulk’s fight choreography, showing he didn’t have a problem with action. I think Norton would’ve returned for the sequel if Marvel had just left a few more integral scenes in the first film. I appreciate what Norton was trying to capture with the character’s struggles, which I believe fits unlike where the MCU took Hulk. Ruffalo doesn’t seem to care what Marvel does to the character as long as he gets a paycheck.
No knock on Ruffalo, but he could be replaced by anyone and I don't think it would have made much of a difference. I'm a huge fan of Norton as an actor, he's extremely passionate about everything he does (to his own detriment in some cases).
WAS PROPERLY ANGRY WHEN THEY REPLACED NORTON. IVE A MASSIVE SOFT SPOT FOR HIS MOVIE... BRILLIANT CAST. GREAT DYNAMICS AND CHEMISTRY... FEW EASTER EGG NODS TO THE BIXBY ERA AND COMICS
@@vmunit2931It seems that way now, but not for the first Avengers movie Ruffalo really nailed the aura of a recluse Bruce on the loose with his neck in a noose. That’s why he was able to nonchalantly deliver one of the most epic lines in the entire MCU when he turned and said, “That’s my secret, I’m always angry.”
Mark Ruffalo, David Duchovny, Dominic Purcell, Joaquin Phoenix And Liev Schreiber Were All Considered For The Role Of The Hulk Before Edward Norton Was Cast
@@Alf-gm7tf He only got the role because Norton was hard to work with though, if he is happy enough being second best, I guess he did win in the end..........
I would of loved to have seen all three of these versions, especially Ang Lee’s Hulk 2, that movie is really underrated and I love all the character work that was being explored
@bensneb360 Here's what I'd do with a potential Incredible Hulk sequel. Keep in mind, this would be in an MCU where Marvel had the rights of all their characters instead of selling them. An Incredible Hulk sequel would have Hulk on the run with the Leader as the villain, but the secondary villains would be Weapon X soldiers which are Wolverine, Sabretooth, Omega Red, Deadpool and Lady Deathstrike tasked by Thunderbolt Ross to find Hulk. Wolverine would leave the team to help Hulk in stopping the Leader's gamma mutant plans in the third act while the other Weapon X members would get brainwashed, mutated, and eventually escape after stopping the Leader (this combines the Hulk vs. Wolverine animated movie and the Gamma World two-parter from Earth's Mightiest Heroes with Wolverine taking Hawkeye's place in that film). A post-credits scene would show Wolverine being recruited by the X-Men setting up the Giant-Size X-Men roster in that movie's sequel.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters Especially since Ross was always such an interesting antagonist to me because he didn't have any powers at all. He's just a regular guy, who happens to be in a position that makes Bruce's life hell. That's interesting. Having Ross turn himself into a red Hulk is just flat out boring and generic. I didn't like it in the comics, and I probably won't like it on film either. Just feels like a waste of such a good character dynamic to dumb it down to a 'hero fights evil version of himself' trope.
Perfect topic you’re covering here!!! I’ve been wanting to ask this for a few weeks now but with Kang Dynasty scrapped and us knowing plot details about the film you should make a video about what Kang Dynasty could have been since I’d LOVE to see that!
You've become quite the replacement for Midnight's Edge, which used to make similar retrospective videos on unmade installments to franchises. Now, they hardly make, videos like this anymore. Thank you, along with Supervoid Cinema, for making videos like this.
I wished we got Incredible Hulk 2 in 2013 Edward Norton may have not returned but Mark rufflo could have even making a trilogy wrapping the 4 main mcu charchters
Mark Ruffalo Is HULK! Thee Best Hulk. They need to stop B.S.ing and make another Hulk Movie. Hulk Is MCU! Over All Of Its Other Characters! And; They Should Bring Back “The Silver Surfer”!
Great video! I have always wondered what Bruce’s character could’ve been if Norton had stayed on, but the fact he’s apparently hard to work with speaks dozens about him. Fun fact though, and ironically, Mark Ruffalo, while not Marvel’s, was Louis Letterier’s first choice to play Banner in The Incredible Hulk. It’s kinda funny cause he obviously became the new Hulk actor and then the two ended up working together on Now You See Me.
@@bullymaguire3385Norton is the better actor compared to Ruffalo. No question about it. But he is quite a picky guy. He pick limited role that he feel strongly about and knew that it’s right for him, which is fine and all hence why he was amazing in birdman and many more. But maybe that wouldn’t fit right in an ensemble cast movie like The Avengers where you share the screen. Or that he has to contractually obligate to play in numerous other Marvel projects.
@@yappaplay I understand but i believe Marvel gave him some control in the Incredible Hulk they could’ve done the same in team up movies but only for his character
Everything except the ending is good, but Ang Lee can never seem to help himself from getting lost up his own a$$ with heady pseudopsychology nonsense, regardless of the movie he's making. 🤷
Ang Lee's Hulk is the best Hulk cinematographic adaptation we got. Bruce Banner and the Hulk psychodynamics with themselves and with others throughout their upbringing are very deeply explored. It is also the most comic accurate Hulk since he grows every time he gets angry. I would have loved to see a direct sequel to it, even thought I always thought The Incredible Hulk (2008) was a sequel. I believe that if superhero movies delved deeper into the characters relationship dynamics and human psych, more interest would grow and fatigue would lower.
I always thought that the Incredible Hulk was an underrated film, as it’s kind of a shame that it didn’t resonate with the general audience at the time of its initial release as it should have in my opinion. In addition, I’ll always prefer Edward Norton over Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner.
I think it's for the best that Norton stopped playing the Hulk. The homogenised assembly-line production style of the MCU seems like his worst nightmare.
you should do a video on Scott Derrickson's version of Multiverse of Madness. Theres a ton of concept art from it out there where you can get somewhat of an idea of what the film would've been like (nightmare, different visuals of an incursion, wundagore mountain looking way different, the death of strange's sister explored etc.)
Red Hulk/General Ross is one of my favorite Marvel characters, and I love MCU Emil Blonsky. Needless to say I’m a Hulk fan so I enjoyed this video. Congratulations on getting 100K subs bro! (I just realized that I wasn’t subscribed and thought I was!)
The Incredible Hulk is my favorite MCU movie, and it really annoys me that not only was Ed Norton recast, but he was forced into a bad cinematic universe and got sidelined. I wish we could've just had a hulk trilogy or something that stood on its own.
I still much prefer Norton to Ruffalo. I just feel like he had better charisma and handled the underlying “rage” better. Not saying that Ruffalo is a “bad actor” but in comparison Ruffalo’s performance as banner just feels more “wooden” than Norton. I also like the way Norton’s hulk looks more.
I’ve always loved Incredible Hulk, I thought it was the second best phase one movie and still has one of the best villains and probably the best fight scenes. Just an awesome movie. I also recently read the novelization of 2003 hulk and holy cow, it’s such an amazing story.
The new Captain America movie is continuing the Edward Norton Hulk, by introducing The Leader played by the same guy Tim Blake Nelson and Liv Tyler as Betty Ross.
if there is one thing this channel has taught me as an aspiring writer, is that scripts that get made lots of times materializes premises/ideas from prior related scripts or i.p. adjacent scripts that didn't...and I feel like if Red Hulk has long been in a script, then parts of that version will be finally realized when we see him for the first time on screen
I’d love to see Eric Bana’s hulk actually be Maestro Like he was sent to the void and was able to get out and went into a universe where he eventually became maestro
Here's another film sequel that sadly never came to be: *"The Holy Road",* based on the novel of the same name by Michael Blake, the creator of *"Dances With Wolves".* Taking place years after the events of the first film & its book counterpart, Dances With Wolves (formerly U.S. Union Army Lt. John J. Dunbar) is living peacefully with his native-raised wife: Stands With A Fist, and their trio of young children: a boy named Snake In Hands, and two girls named Always Walking & Stays Quiet. But after his wife & their infant daughter were captured by a group of White rangers after they attacked their village, Dances With Wolves mounts a rescue mission with his friends: Wind In His Hair & Kicking Bird. To helm the film adaptation was to be Mexican film director & professor Salvador Carrasco, though some sources stated that Simon Wincer, the director of the first *"FREE WILLY"* film was to direct. Rumors speculated that Viggo Mortensen (of Peter Jackson's *"Lord of the Rings"* film trilogy) was to star as Dances With Wolves.
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this is a fantastic example of how the writers did their homework better than the directors and producers. what might have been was some potentially enjoyable films.
Fun Fact: Mark Ruffalo was actually considered for The Role of The Hulk in The 2008 Film before Norton but after Norton was fired, Ruffalo took the role in The Avengers.
Even if Marvel has got back all rights related to Hulk characters, I feel that in current situation, Hulk's origin story cannot be told, though some of the ideas teased in the previous potential films can be used in upcoming films related to Hulk, and they are being used. Hulk's origin cannot be told unless entire MCU is hard rebooted once again.
I LOVED Edward Norton’s Incredible Hulk and I hate they didn’t go that direction or keep him, but they ultimately made the right decision if he was going to be so hostile to work with. A shame all around.
I love TIH to this day. I think its incredibly underrated and a more darker film when you really look at it. For all the complaints people had about the MCU being cookie cutter and looking the same, TIH still had a lot of that dark character work in it, even after being cut out.
What we wanted to see was an Incredible Hulk sequel(s) that feautered Hulks gallery of best-known villains, including: "The Leader", "Absorbing Man", "Zzzax", "Madman", "Half-Life", "Wendigo", "Tyrannus" and/or even "Rhino". We really wanted Edward Norton's Hulk/Dr.Banner to continue developing the depth of the Hulk "curse" and how evil forces of both military powers and criminal elites wants to use monsters as weapons. How Dr. Banner struggles with being hunted and a wanted man, how he never is allowed to live in peace and constantly challanged by people and villains to be the Hulk and the cycle keep reperating with-out ending combined with it all gets worse and more darker. Disney have done NOTHING with the Hulk. Truly NOTHING. They refused to do any sequel to 2008 film and left it all hanging. Oh, we want Hulk in the Avengers = BOOM its done with-out any fitting build-up. Mark Ruffalo have no charisma or depth as neither character and after recent Endgame and She-Hulk portray of him ruining thr character completely to a big p#$sy = WORTHLESS.
This is one of my favorite lost potentials that could’ve been, not just because he’s one of my fav heroes, but because he had a lot of great material to work with & some independent story telling in between. One of the BIGGEST lost opportunities of Marvel movies history. Such a shame tht it might not happen & it was just an idea tht was canceled. 😢
I'm one of those people who enjoyed Ang Lee's Hulk, not a mainstream movie but an art film of sorts, the MCU is great but it has a consistent tone, Ang Lee's Hulk was something different. Ed Norton is a guy who clearly oversteps his boundaries, movies are a team effort, he shouldn't be an actor he should direct if he wants that much control.
The problem is that many of the times Ed has taken writing or editorial control he's made the movie vastly better (probably more often than he's made his movies worse). His edit absolutely MADE American History X. Had Tony Kaye had full control from start to finish literally nobody would remember that movie. 🤷
Ever since your videos were on my recommendations, I instantly love your content especially using footage from other media to explain the plot of these unmade projects or early drafts.
They should make animatronics for characters like Hulk and other big characters so that they don't have to spend a ridiculous amount of money on overusing cgi
Rick Jones, MIA, always... which is weird because I think saving him and becoming the Hulk as a result should be the largest part of Banner's characterization. "No, child abuse and daddy issues." Why? "Relatability?"
THANK YOU! I've never understood why Rick Jones is never included in any live Hulk adaptation. Yes, the issues with Brian Banner have become central to core Hulk storytelling since their introduction by writer Peter David, but how much more core can you get than Rick? Rick was literally there since the first Hulk story and was the catalyst for Bruce being caught in the gamma explosion. It's just as frustrating as MCU Spider-Man doing everything possible to never mention Uncle Ben by name. Even in No Way Home, Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield say Uncle Ben's name, but Tom Holland never does and it feels absolutely wrong.
Would the 90s film have been that good? Probably not, but GOD I would have loved to see those practical effects in action. Also, I think I heard that Billy Crudup was also considered for the lead role even back then. I actually enjoy the two Hulk films we got and how they try to adapt certain aspects of the character. I appreciate how Ang Lee's film explores the more psychological aspects of the character and how his childhood trauma led to the creation of the Hulk persona. I also enjoy the 2008 film for going the 'Bruce is drifting across the world looking for a cure" that was popularized by the 70s TV series while also being a solid action blockbuster. Though I will say that I love both films soundtracks and I would go so far as to say The Incredible Hulk has the best soundtrack in the entire MCU. Being a Hulk fan is a frustrating experience I must admit. He gets a couple of moments in the spotlight, and then almost immediately gets forgotten about afterwards despite him being one of Marvel's most popular heroes. What's up with that?
The 2008 movie was originally the sequel, they just lightly tweaked the script and it's noticeable, I'm one of the few, whom prefer the 2003 movie above the 2008 movie.
All these ideas sound wild and very creative. I miss when people had an interest in the Hulk inside of just "dumb monster" or treating him as a joke. The fact we haven't had a solo Hulk film in a decade upsets me. Thanks again for pumping out these videos 👍
That unmade Hulk script could have been successful with a few tweaks, replacing the insectoids with characters like Abomination, The Absorbing Man and maybe Rhino, and having Betty Ross as the female scientist.
Depp would have made a great Banner. Too bad Norton sounds a bit difficult to work with but I had heard this is often an issue with him. I Still feel the '03 and '08 Hulk films would have done better if Hulk was allowed to talk like he did in Thor Ragnarok.
This was a amazing video, with alot of good information. I wish they would have made more hulk movies, he is the definition of strength and essentially have every quality there is too be an cool, inspiring, and fierce superhero. I loved all the movies and thought they were received well. l really hope they can and will make another Hulk movie, because they are not giving hulk the justice he had always deserved.
One of the aspects that doomed the first Hulk movie was that many moviegoers knew The Hulk *not* from the comics but from the 1977 TV show that featured Lou Ferrigno as the Hulk. Limitations in visual effects in the 70s created a more grounded Hulk, whose strength was more akin to a world-class powerlifter than a comic book superhero. When viewers saw the movie Hulk jumping a half mile and twirling tanks like toy cars it was at odds with the vision of The Hulk they expected to see
