I love the movie we got but I would have loved this even MORE. The shock collars being put on predators because the prey feared them actually makes so much sense for this kind of world.
I feel like having the shock collar is a much better reflection of the racial divide the movie shows in the end result. The concepts and original plot points are much more realistic to the plights of minorities than the end movies shows. It’s not just the public seeing them as scary or dangerous, but the system and government’s mistreatment. This original movie would have had a much greater impact of kids and how they view prejudice of ANYONE, unlike the end movie which had it as a very watered down version of it.
I feel like it might have been a little too on the nose, and racist parents would have figured it out too quickly and either refused to let their kids see it or insisted they weren't "like that, we just know facts" or something, in any case not let it do what it needs to do. Maybe if it were done properly it could work, but I think they knew the route they were taking with it wasn't going to do what they hoped
@@samanthasloan blame it on Disney. Cant have that dark stuff going in theaters with the mouse behind your back watching every move you make in order to make it family friendly :/
@@Bureau_Of_Enigma_Affairsyeah but imagine if someone went into labor outside of a hospital and had to deal with the pain of that AND getting shocked the entire way to the hospital. That’s gotta be considered literal torture
@@birbcat1264 That is true, but I imagine they'd try and send someone over there to prevent any casualties from happening (pain from labor plus the shock collar could cause damage to both mother/baby but also to any bystanders). At the very least I’m sure they have at least some sort of procedure in case something like this happens.
Allegedly, this concept was scrapped because audiences had a hard time sympathising with Nick and found themselves attracted to Judy. If this or anything close to this version was the one shown to audiences, how the hell did that happen? Unless I they first modified this to be less dark later, I just can't get my head around how audiences could _not_ sympathise with Nick in this version.
Depends who their audience is. I know that younger children with their lack of awareness might struggle to relate to it. The parents, depends where they are socioeconomically. If they’re not the ones being oppressed, they’ll likely struggle to relate to someone who is.
@@djsaidez271they could likely relate to Judy though, being doubtful at first because they were simply ignorant and genuinely didn’t know, but upon seeing the reality, came to understand and empathize.
I love the idea that they show how the shock collars not only are horrible and immoral, but also ineffectual, as the zootopia mafia can still do all their criminal activity and kill as they see fit just fine, the collar doesn't stop them from killing, it just stops them from feeling extreme emotions, and for some, that awakens a cold hardened killing machine within them.
It's almost like the system is more about making an example out of people and constantly reminding them that they are lesser instead of actually protecting anyone.
This really reminded me of Psycho-Pass anime! (I think that’s what it’s called? Watched it a while ago) Basically, police there has special smart guns that can only shoot when a person’s ’crime coefficient’ is at certain level. Which is determined by different factors, but mainly by a stress level, if I’m not mistaken. And, well, the main villain has 0 emotions while commiting crimes…
I imagine you'd learn to embrace the physical pain to take away your inner pain. Or you just go numb. Pretty sure I have a bit of experience with both.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 you're suggesting they use it as a form of socially acceptable self harm? Jeez, that's dark. And really good plot-wise Not so good IRL. Hope you're doing okay xx
im not a furry but, when i hear the concept "zootopia but nick wilde is the main protagonist" you dont know how much money i would give for that to be a movie
Honestly this plot is so much different then the original that I’m sure with different characters and a slight change up in the story this can be it’s own movie.
Yeah, but maybe not as a kids movie. I think it could be really interesting if done in a similar style and heart but also with these dark, kind of dystopian themes.
The behind the scenes for Zootopia is very interesting, and I ultimately understand so many of the choices made...but goddamn that polar bear scene is INTENSE.
Best comment on this entire video. For one thing it brings a good point, and for another, it is not really an opinion that’s FOUR PARAGRAPHS LONG it’s just funny. Sorry I just really appreciate this and this is an underrated comment. 😊
The saddest parts of this whole different plot that I see is the fact that in this world, in Zootopia, all Predators are deprived of happiness and living a normal life because of the fear of all over Prey. They didn't even wanna give Nick's Wildtimes theme park a chance because of their own selfishness for their own kind when they themselves show no chance for any Predators. It would've just been so sad which would've made you hope for the Predators to have their freedom all the way through the movie which would've been really cool.
Proof that Disney would never do something too dark or challenging. This sounds so interesting and would have loved it but Zootopia in it of itself isn't that bad and it's a pretty good overall movie tbh. But man what I pay to see this version
They mainly changed the movie because the people they screened it to didn't feel like they could relate to Nick and instead related to Judy which kind of pisses me off you're not supposed to relate to Nick you're supposed to sympathize with him and the few who can relate to him (mainly minorities in america) get to feel less alone
@@WhoSaidThatLikedYouSheNeverDid That's not what happened, though. The problem people had with the early version was that the conflict didn't feel very believable. In order to sympathize with characters, you have to relate to them, and it's hard to do that when the story doesn't fit together like it should. The rewrite was done to fix that problem by putting the focus back on the stereotypes at the center of the conflict instead of the exaggerated tame collar subplot that was distracting from it.
Can we just make this a real movie? It can be the prequel to Zootopia, just have to move some names around and I feel like it would be a perfect prequel to Zootopia!
In our world, we don't even put shock collars on our murderers in maximum security so the fact that everyone is apathetic with putting on shock collars even on children who come of age shows just how dark, twisted and cruel this original story was. This version of Zootopia was a really dark dystopia.
always loved the scrapped version's plot more than the official, you can feel the love in these with every detail in the world, more grounding with the message it's trying to tell than a sheepish plot twist villain from what i can see thank you for covering this!
Very interesting story, i would actually watch a whole movie like that if it came out. Also if the armadilllo Doctor had an EOD suit does that mean that the animals in zootopia normally go to war and kill just like humans do irl? I mean Its literally a military grade bomb suit which hints that there must me an active military force in that Universe
In that version of zootopia, definitely, in the one we got, maybe, maybe not. There must be a reason as to why preds let themselves get treated like that in the first place.
@@KitsumiTheFox yeah I guess it kinda looks like that bit it looks more similar to a EOD suit, it would be interesting if it was one of those dog training suits I mean what would they need that for
What’s interesting is that the collars don’t protect against psychopaths. A predator could totally hurt a prey or eat them as long as they didn’t get emotional about it.
it IS a police state, and if the police are based on the us police, which they are. I am guessing the wholle plot is that predators are like african american people before martin luther king jr-s movement. the us police does have EOD suits in case of bombs and shit and so i can see it being there. Also the EOD suit is porbably more like a anti-bite, scratch and whatnot predator shit suit.
must've been retconned by the higher ups, "too dark, might scare away the mon- kids!" a but of a shame too, always found this version much more engaging than what we got, good thing the world building stayed d(^^
because it takes too many risks. it's not safe and disney doesn't like that. it's dark and gritty and way to fun and interesting for marketing to jump on it. horribly unfortunate. you can't even imagine how many cases there are just like this
I kinda like this one because it's more about Nick than Judy, which I love Judy but I would prefer to see Nick's pov, as he's grown up with this twisted society
The scene where he actually got a loan. There was so much less to set it up than a full movie would’ve had. It was missing so many of the resources. The *beep* when the collar turned yellow was powerful. I felt that.
I always looked at this concept and imagined two gangs. White Hot - The predators who kept shocking themselves until they didn't care any more. No. Became addicted to the fury and pain. Blackout - The predators who suppress their emotions entirely, to the point of psychopathy.
I feel like this concept would have attracted so many more people then the original- especially if it was able to maintain somewhat of a lighthearted outlook (which is what it seemed to be doing)
I can understand why this original plot was scrapped, it's a bit too dark for the tone they were trying to go for and kind of shoots the message in the foot by making the racism metaphor a little too obvious. The official movie hits a lot harder because everything feels more down to earth and filled with real issues the characters have to deal with.
Isn't it more down to earth for prey to be afraid of predators and force restrictions on them as a focal point and not something that happens mostly in the background that can ultimately be ignored?
@@Buglin_Burger7878 I think what they're trying to say is, by having a story about imposed collars audiences would think "well I don't see any collars so that's all just fiction". Instead, they wanted to show where these problems existed in reality so people could acknowledge them.
@@sherbertshortkake6649 that’s interesting because I personally think that the collar is a perfect allegory, often minorities aren’t allowed to express their emotions or else they’d be labelled as “the hysterical ____” and often be physically punished (police brutality) Plus zootopia being a dystopian police state drives that point home even more Edit: plus the loan thread is even more grounded bc sometimes minorities have to turn to more underground/ dangerous means of making ends meet bc the system neglects them
@@sherbertshortkake6649 Well, obviously we're not seeing people being collared in this day and age. And you can still represent racism and whatnot pretty well without doing all that baby shit. Doesn't have to be 1 to 1, this *is* a fictional universe after all with animals instead of people. The collars would make more sense to me.
@@OrionDawn15 I wasn't agreeing, sorry ,just clarifying for the other commenter. I don't have much opinion on the argument. I like the movie, and the alternate storyline seems interesting but that's about all.
Seems like a more interesting plot than the original Zootopia movie. Way darker and corrupt than the 'Disney version' we got. I think it would be a neat idea to have a combination of Beastars and Zootopia concept. It has the good side of animal society, and the bad shady side. Beastars doesn't really focus on the societal aspect as a whole like Zootopia does, so it would be cool to have a kind of hybrid mix of the two concept and themes. Of course, Disney would never approve of that since it'd be too dark for families. The producer or whoever it was claimed they changed it because then people wouldn't have a world to root for since it is more dystopian and police state. I think of it differently. Despite living in a police state unfair system, it still shows predators like Nick still fighting against it and having hopes and dreams and a will to make his dream happen despite the racism and prejudice. Unlike the movie we got where it's just a great society with a few bad prejudiced apples and if you get rid of them, it makes everything better again magically. As a side not, what I think would be a cool idea for a sequel is if it has a predator villain who is building a crime empire and convincing trodden down worn predators to embrace meat and 'eat the rich' (literally being prey animals). To indulge in their natural instincts and go 'back to the way things were' with predators at the top of the food chain. Nick and Judy need to fight this threat. Even though the predator villain seems to have good points, this isn't the way it should be done, hurting others and vengeful payback. To 'persuade' and 'convince' other predators he plans on targeting minority predator neighborhoods with vast amounts of Night Howler to aid his terrorist attacks. This would be a cool concept, but I doubt that it would ever be considered for one second by Disney, even though it could still have their whole stereotyping message. Nick would be the main character though since I like him better than Judy. I think it would be cool if the main villain could be an impressive looking villain. Maybe a white wolf with arctic blue eyes that just sear right through you like icicles. Yeah, this is a long comment, and I had the whole second plot of Zootopia in my head. Sorry for the long read. Also, great channel Davvid,. Hope it grows.
Ya wanna know what I heard? Ya wanna know what really changed the plot? Everyone “fElL iN lOvE” with JUDY instead of Nick and apparently could understand her emotions better. So they SCRAPPED THIS MASTERPIECE and replaced it with the one we got. So tragic and sad 😭
I think I understand why the shock collar idea was dropped: as said in the interviews, it makes Zootopia a society you can’t root for, but more than that it makes the racism metaphor very black and white in a way that might not have gone over well with all audiences. Ultimately the more subtle depiction of racism the final movie went with was in my opinion a better fit for the political climate of the 2010s and 2020s. Zootopia being a pretend utopia rather than an outright dystopia is very of the now. That being said, I personally LOVE metaphors taken to their emotional extreme, and this original movie would have been right up my alley. What the final film gained in subtlety, it lost in direct heart-wrenching dystopian fantasy. This would have been a stranger and maybe more flawed film, but also one that would have lodged itself in people’s brains. I could definitely see the movie come out like this if it had not been a Disney production.
Well, a racist society is one you CAN'T root for so... I think these creators pulled their punches. And putting a white woman stand in as the main character 😮💨😬pass
Honestly, I prefer the original plot. I had high expectations for Zootopia when it came out. But I was disappointed by the buddycop movie with meh jokes. It's not bad, but it wasn’t what as good as it could've been.
well the underlying plot is ultimately supposed to represent racism in a digestible way for white and child audiences. the original plot would take away the “hope” factor. its the same reason people dont root for the capital in the hunger games. you dont want to root for a society that was so corrupt it becomes unable to change
This is hauntingly realistic. This mirrors a lot of stuff that black people have said they deal with in america. Being a numerical minority, but being seen as a threat, and not being able to express themselves emotionally because of that, etc. Would have been actual real-world commentary.
white people have faced racism too, and it’s all over the world not just America. Heck if anything America treats people of color much better than ANY other country. We have a whole fricken month dedicated to blacks, blm is pushed very hard, and some places will only hire you if you’re not white. America is treating them just fine
This is actually WAY more interesting than the original i think this is a better more compelling story than what we got. I really wished this was it’s own movie
I honestly think that for shows like this they should have 2 films, one version for kid (the version of zootopia we got) and then an adult version (the oroginal/darker storyline)
With all the dark shit going on in the og plot it is great that Disney let its Disney-ness allow for some lighthearted stuff inbetween. I got a genuine giggle out of that little mini side-thing.
agreed, it's really tragic that we didn't get this and i wish disney wouldn't be afraid to make a more dark stories. i know the crew insisted otherwise but the story really did work better with the whole shock collar system, it sells the predator oppression message a lot harder.
@@meevins I think it would've been too on the nose. I can relate to someone dealing with negative stereotypes. The tame collars would've taken too much focus away from that, making the conflict feel needlessly exaggerated.
I don't understand why this was scrapped. The idea was legendary. I took issue with the fact zootpia was well... a topia. The place had no flaws suprisingly, and there was someone waiting to take advantage of it. With the first idea, the inequality was already there and Nick was smart enough to make profit from it and make a safe haven for his people. That's good. A sequel couldv'e been added to this as well, with Judy as one of the main leads. It would be very controversial for Nick's busniess, Wildtimes, if he was having romantic relations with a prey mammal. The judgment, the backlash, the sales, and she could still be with the ZPD investigating on the shadiness of his job. I'm just saying... the first idea is so sturdy, it's sturdiness is practically made of stone.
The idea you're talking about wasn't exactly scrapped. The tame collars and the subplot revolving around them were, but that was because of how distracting they were from the main storyline. The final version of Zootopia still has the other things you mentioned while also being more sturdy with its worldbuilding. It's a lot easier to imagine a world where interspecies relationships might be looked down upon when negative stereotypes are the driving factor, whereas a dystopia with mind control devices feels a little too over the top.
Because it's too close to the current major classiest police state. The loan scenes? Trying, and trying, and trying, and the only place you have to turn left as a disenfranchised person with no ability to even emotionally process the frustration is almost always the most risky, stupid, barely legal method you can find, it's a lot to see out into a visual.
Definitely an interesting concept where the victim becomes so protected and prioritized that they become the Oppressor yet get to be called the victim the whole time.
Yeah. Everyone else seems to be comparing it to racism, which is absolutely applicable and the original point, I think, but the victem mentality is what came to my mind first.
You know what? Old Disney wouldn't have chickened out on this. Old Disney wasn't scared to traumatize children if that gave them a valuable lesson and a creative and rich story. Man... I miss old Disney
They didn't "chicken out" of this storyline. It got scrapped because it wasn't working with everything else in the movie. The tame collars made the conflict way too obvious and took attention away from the characters, making it harder to get invested in the story.
This story is “SUPER DARK” and I love it!!! It’s like a kid’s version of the corrupted Empire of Seanchan from the Wheel of Time book series. If they ever make a sequel or spinoff to this movie then they should totally use this early version of the script as inspiration.
Dude, I’m so glad people are still talking about this concept! I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I hope that they revive the concept in their recently announced sequel! Maybe it could take place before the internet (which was actually the og setting for the film) and it was a thing back then. I could never get enough of this concept, it’s so good..
I don’t remember where, but I’m pretty sure I saw some concept art for the wolf who shot Nick, and it turns out the wolf is actually a sheep in wolves clothing. I’ll try to find where I saw it. Edit: I was right, but I never found the video I mentioned. This guy found it anyway in part three of this series Just in case you're still curious
One of the perks of growing up with DVD and Blueray is the special features on there. I remember watching those deleted scenes thinking the idea absolutely slapped, but I understood why they deleted it because in their words “we wanted to people to route four Zootopia” and even as a kid I realized there was no way you could do that with THAT as a setting/premise
ive seen that the script was changed before release elsewhere. Regardless the message is still the same. this version would have a problem with the "who and why". The version we got shows that very well. Just a big difference with it not being centered around Nick but Judy. Yet showing the story from what would normally be considered the victim side then switching it to show that predators were the victims while Judy figures out what is really going on is pretty good. I'm sure if this version came out, they would've fine-tuned it and it would still be great.
@@visogero3123 I think it would still be very popular, kids aren't idiots, they like complex things and dark things. Popular childrens media like Animorphs, Wings of Fire or Warrior Cats proves this. Those series are known for their dark themes despite being marketed for children. Animorphs being about war, Wings of Fire and Warrior cats having murder, infanticide and more. Kids can like dark things. This version of Zootopia probably would've been fairly popular still. Disney just didn't want to take a chance at this storyline unfortunately.
@@painttedHyena1974I do think in a woke society there would be too much backlash, There are woke adults who are idiots and would shame this. Considering puss and boots got hate from parents for showing a drop of blood racisim and oppression would receive backlash.
It's easy to say that when you're an outsider looking in. Movie production is a complicated process, and there are lots of different factors involved that I don't think a lot of people keep in mind when they try to compare different drafts of a film's script. While it's easy to imagine the tame collar storyline fully fleshed out as a dystopian fantasy, that wasn't what the people working on Zootopia were aiming for, and it would've clashed with everything else. The directors even said as much.
originally, the main character was part of the minority group in the film. we would have seen how that group was treated. instead, the main character we got was a police officer. something about that change makes me uncomfortable. the way the authority figures are viewed in this version and the one we got are drastically different
@@Shiro-mv7xh making the main character the hero that’s oppressed in a different way from the target minority kind of diverts attention from the key issue of the movie. It focuses to much on the feelings of the hero watching injustice rather than on the actual feelings of the oppressed. Essentially, the voice isn’t of the person being subjected to the injustice (specifically of racism) but rather the voice of a third party feeling bad for them. It just has less impact since it doesn’t actually give the people that experience racism a leading role and voice in the issue. When Nick expresses how he feels about being a predator and being an outsider in society, there’s definitely more of a focus on Judy’s realization of the issue rather than the fact Nick is expressing what it’s like to live that issue as his reality. (I don’t comment often and I dont want to expend energy on an unproductive conversation. I just wanted to share my ideas but if there’s something you’d like to expand upon or disagree with I’m not stopping you and I’ll probably read it if I have time. Just a disclaimer since the internet is pretty hostile and I don’t know you personally lol 👍)
I know Judy experiences it as well as a herbivore, but it can be interpreted as “omg she’s also oppressed so she understands him exactly” but their experiences are quite different. Obviously the filmmakers did give Nick the scene of him being bullied to mediate that issue but I guess maybe I’m being nitpicky since when I watched zootopia it felt like there was just more of a focus on Judy learning about the predators experience as a character development for Judy. There can be character development based on learning a new perspective and you can approach situations differently with this knowledge but in reality this character development wouldn’t immediately solve the issue in the way Judy captures the bad guy and saves the day y’know?
@@mancanwechilliwantsomefrie2566 I guess I don't fully understand. For a kids movie I think that stuff would be pretty heavy and uninteresting. It wouldn't be an enjoyable movie or fun movie to watch at that point.
@@Shiro-mv7xh kids do like deeper pieces of media. stuff like wings of fire and warriors show that, with death, gore, and infanticide and even then, adults would also like it
I feel as the original plot was very dark but more on the nose and the tame collars are kinda like a metaphor for people who aren’t “perfect” for example they kinda have these metaphorical shock collars and are treated poorly and if they lash out in any way they could be shocked by the public or treated as if they were lashing out for no good reason and we know that’s not true! But it does explain why the predators have shock collars or in term of the movie “Tame collars”!
I like that aspect of the tame collars as a concept. While they wouldn't have worked in the original movie, I'd love to see the idea get revisited in a different context. A sequel that recontextualizes them as part of a villain's plan to recondition certain animals in order to keep the peace by all means possible could be an interesting plot point that would pick things up right where the original film left off.
And also Nick. Wild is my favorite character. Not only that but the whole point of showing people racism isn’t following the other side that doesn’t get affected. But the people or the other side that dose get affected!😢😢😢😢
This really reminds me of how mental health used to be treated and still sorta is. Someone shows unusual behaviour, they're locked up and isolated instead of being cared for and understood.
That or they're grossly mistreated when they aren't isolated. The plot probably fits more for a mental health metaphor than a race one, tho it could be a mix of both if they did it well. (and they WERE doing well which is a shame!)
I honestly would of preferred this story much more as a child, I really liked dark stories and Zootopia was my favorite movie as a kid because I loved the dark aspects of it. It felt so real.
i love seeing videos like this, it reassures me to know that there are still people who care about lesser known details like this. the original plot of zootopia should definitely, in my humble opinion, be at least referenced in the sequel. there was too much work and creativity going into the original plot for it to just be thrown away. while i understand that the original plot was too dark for a children's movie (and while i love the zootopia we have), a part of me still wishes that this is what we would've gotten instead. question: where are you getting the deleted scenes? there are *so many* of them that weren't included in the director's commentaries and that are just floating around the internet. I've seen a lot over the years, but some of the ones in your video i'd never seen before. again, thanks for making this video! keep it up!! :D
Some of the artists that worked on the movie have these on their websites portfolio. I've seen storyboards of the final movie's deleted scenes that also look very sick. Like Nick trying to fight against the rams at the train because he saw Judy knocking one down, only to fail because, unlike her, he doesn't have combat training to fight against bigger mammals.
One reason I can think of scrapping the film is the encouragment of no collars. It's like the 101 dalmatians issue, where kids would start taking off the collars of household pets or outdoor pets, which could cause issues for families and pets.
Watching more information on the theme park is great, love the fact all the rides proposed are really cheap and have to find creative ways to work, like cat wheel powering other rides, or the laser pointer game where they chase a laser dot.
honestly this would’ve been a good representation on how people fear others who are different then them and instead of trying to understand they take away their freedom
They could do a prequel with this storyline. Just change the characters and set it closer to the founding of Zootopia. It could be fun to see a mid-1900s version of the city, and it works well with opening an amusement park It's not mentioned in the original Zootopia because the whole incident was basically swept under the rug, and now it's been so long that no one really thinks/talks about it on a regular basis.
Or just set it in another city/land as a sequel. Hops and Wild track down a crime syndicate that is run out of this other place and go under cover. Then Wild gets slapped into a collar - proceed with plot
This is an actually amazing and could be very dark, this would be awesome to be done by any animation studio, but I think most would find it too riskay
Imagine wearing a collar your entire life bro, imagine running around or doin a sport and you start sweating. Imagine how uncomfortable that is? edit: also, imagine constantly living in fear that if you over exert your emotions you’ll be shocked with a weird collar?
Probably could run a round playing a sport anyway as the collar may take the increased heart rate as excitement, let alone scoring a goal and not being able to celebrate it.
_As far as I know_ at least the sweating part probably wouldn't bother them as much as it'd bother us since we(humans) are one of the animals that sweat the most
@@monbub The reason why Dogs put their tongues out when they are tired is too cool their bodies, because dogs don't sweat(well they have a few sweat glands on their paws but nowhere else). Humans are one of the few animals that sweat so much. It's a good way to cool off our bodies while running and one of our biggest evolutionary advantages besides our intelligence.
I think the idea for this is absolutely incredible however I definitely prefer what we got officially, I'm definitely biased and I sure if this was the version that came out instead I wouldn't have been disappointed but I really love the character dynamics in the official one
I honestly love all the references to other media, I saw an Undertale Flower, Niko from One Shot, and I'm not sure what else, but I think it is a nice touch.
The writing for this was amazing, I wish we got to see a version of this. I think its message hits a lot more than the generic plot of the first movie. Dont get me wrong I liked the first movie especially the world but I like this story so much more
