That's why I believe Dragon Ball Z should've ended with the Frieza Saga. Now it's all super convoluted. I'm still waiting for Yamcha, Krillin, Tien, and Chiaotzu to join the Super Saiyan club.
hiram castellanos yes we know cause this was the last super saiyan., and Bardock was the prob the first. u forget every 1000 years a super saiyan was born., that means there has bean alot. Again Barodcks movie, it was not in Toriyama's original manga, therefore it's non canon. this scene with this super saiyan was made many years before Bardocks movie.
@@nck9755 ah right, so it's a load of trash. This was kinda of a cool concept I always thought. I thought it was cannon and tried to fill in the blanks. From what Vegeta says here ,the the ssj form was too powerful for the first person who achieved it, and could not be contained in the normal form. I specualted that if he tried to do it without first transforming into an Uzaroo it would destroy the body in like a supernova type explosion. But the fact that Goku and the other saiyan z figters was able to do it in normal form proved thier body's were perfectly conditioned before achieving ssj and had complete mastery and control of the Ssj forms, where as the one in the stroy had talent but not control. But nope i guess, thinking too hard🤣
@@koraxi8958 bro its officially later mentioned in the dbs broly movie bro that the legendary super saiyan was the one that the legends talked about and the fact that broly had the power of an oozaru in his human form kinda connects it to the first super saiyan or precisely the first legendary super saiyan who couldnt control his power and also had a tail for which he transformed into the oozaru form and got mindless but broly on the other side was trained to not turn into oozaru for which he could use the power of the legendary super oozaru in his human form
To be fair, Toriyama has said in interviews that he forgets a ton of things all the time. He specifically says he has to forget things to make up new stuff! Hahah!
No I don’t think it is true Saiyain u can only achieve the golden oozaru when u already have achieved the super Sayain form if it really was the true super sayain transformstion then Goku would have transformed into a golden oozaru against freiza
Only because everyone just knew that Saiyans could only turn into giant apes. Any other transformation was not a possibility to anyone else. In reality, the Super Saiyan state looks nothing like Vegeta imagined here
Austin Gomez True. Sure Broly is labeled as The Legendary Super Saiyan. If that's the case, then why the hell was he born on the same day as Goku? Plus, it just makes his status even more misleading, the more I watch this clip.
This is where Nakatsuru got the idea for SSj4, notice it shows a golden ape and Vegeta mentions he couldn't control his power, well just like Goku would have probably just destroyed everything including himself if Pan didn't help him to become a SSj4 or like I said a true Super Saiyan, Nakatsuru the mind behind SSj4 was the lead character designer for this episode along with GT, he worked closely with Toriyama from Dragon Ball all the way through to GT, this is why I don't think the gold haired super saiyans are really super saiyans at all, Vegeta just thought Goku was and it all snowballed from there everyone just assumed that they are super saiyans, but really just powered up versions of a normal saiyan more like a mutation from energy, where as SSj4 is a transformation.
+iiindigoZen Perhaps. But the reason it shows the Original Super Saiyan as an ape is because that is the only transformation that Vageta is aware of. At this point he has no idea about the golden hair. So in Vageta's mind, this is how the legend looked.
But he outright said he didn't think it was possible or even real. The only reason Vageta could sense something was up was because he could sense his Saiyan brethern had far surpassed him.
Blue Mon Well yeah sort of, more like Goku before he got his power under control, Great Ape Baby used artificial means to reach that level and because he wasn't fully a Saiyan because Baby was in Vegeta's body he was unable to reach SSj4 is my thought, just Golden great ape but Baby being the mind behind the monster and not Vegeta, he was able to control the form.
I love how Super Saiyan was the pinnacle of power in DB, only for those people who achieved it to outclass it in every way. Those boys don’t stop getting stronger
This is a golden Oozaru so does that mean that the first super saiyan was so powerful that he almost achieved super saiyan 4? Because right before goku and vegeta transform into SSJ4 they are both gold Oozaru's (Goku who had trouble controlling his like the first ever super saiyan, and vegeta who has no problem at all)
Dannykid8 ssj 4 and such tranformation doesnt rly exist, ..db GT sux and it doesnt matter what they did there..this legendary ssj has nothing to do with it.
It's amazing coming back to this video after Broly was officially introduced into the series. Him and Kale embody Vegeta's description from then. It's nice seeing that line up so well!
Brolly is a Legendary Super Saiyan, the one who's uncontrollable power destroyed him and created the Legend Itself. The Legendary Super Saiyan is born once every 1000 years.
There’s a theory that the super sayian we know is actually the starter form to help achieve the true form of super sayian by adding it to the ozaru. A form that every SAYIAN knows about. And that the true form of super sayian is super sayian 4
I'm loving everyone's view of the super saiyan of legend it's a great topic here's another thing to consider remember when vegeta was talking about goku father bardock and he said he was not only a average fighter but a brilliant scientist he discovered how to create full artifical moonlight without the moon remember piccolo destroyed the moon after little goku change into a ape so the moon was around at the time bardock was sent back to the past so he could have easily went ssj and then turned ssj ape and destroyed the planet plant along with himself
Thankyou, I hate when people talk about the "brilliant scientist". Bardock did not invent the artificial moon nor did he go back in time. He was only ever a flashback of Furiza and Vegeta talked about him once. That's it.
I wish the writers would've went into more depth about this story. Maybe like a three episode mini series of this raging out of control beast stomping around destroying anything in its way. DBZ had some of the scariest silhouettes monsters hence the legendary Super Saiyan, Trunk's story about the moment when the androids awoke and killed Dr. Gero and Goku's nightmare with Android 19 and Dr. Gero.
DBGT is an invention of the producer at the time he wanted to profit more from the series. Although considered a sequel of its predecessor, Dragon Ball Z, the work is not an adaptation of the original manga and series creator Akira Toriyama, not part of the writing team. (Wikipedia) Akira toryama only gave permission for the use of the characters producer, he actively participated in the series, was produced for profit only. Battle of God came to prove it.
The "original" super saiyan refers to the saiyan that destroyed the first saiyan planet. Bardock may have been the first super saiyan, but the legend does not refer to him.
@@luisfelipesilvasampaio7922 yamoshi may be the first super saiyan but he is not the saiyan in this video because yamoshi never turned golden ape and lost control
I, originally, heard about the story but the original Super Saiyan from the Ocean Dub of DBZ but I love how Chris Sabat tells it since i had got used to the FUNimation dub. Also, the silhouette of the original SSJ was the concept for the Golden Great Ape in DBGT!!! COOL BEANS😎😎😎!!!
Here's my 2 cents worth remember in gt Goku had a tail and was already a ssj so when he transformed he became a Golden great ape just like the original ssj which means that the original ssj must have become a ssj4 but couldn't control his powers so he died which would explain why elder Kai know about ssj4
When Goku was the golden great ape he was out of control too. (Pan and seeing the Earth/ the picture calmed him down.) It appears to me as if the golden ape just destroyed the planet he was on and Saiyans can't survive in space not that it became a ssj4.
In my opinion the golden ape thing that vegeta was imagining was probably how he interpreted the super saiyan legend because remember both the great ape and super saiyan increase the power of a sayian. So vegeta must of thought well if the legend exists it might look like the great ape but with yellow fur because the legend just says yellow hair on a saiyan it didn't say anything about it being in great ape or a normal saiyan form.
no, bardock nor broly are the first super saiyan, although broly is classified as the super saiyan that is born every 1000 years (i think). likely when the transformation happened, the saiyan was at a full moon, so he became the golden ozzaru like in gt.
SSJ4 transformation foreshadowed in DBZ. In truth SSJ4 is the ultimate evolution of a Saiyan, a literal limit-breaker transformation which could have served as a new, more powerful base form to utilize the power of previous transformations beyond their limitations
that doesnt make sense. the Original Super Saiyan was about to achieve Super Saiyan 4, but must've lost control during the process. thats why he destroyed original Planet Vegeta. and dude...no more Super Saiyan levels. we already have the ultimate level (SSJ4). SSJ5 would just be something really stupid.
@pantherandgrizzly Apparently, looking at all sources, it is hinted that not only is this person to first achieve the super saiyan transformation, but they are the original LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN. When Vegeta sees Broly transform he thinks he is the saiyan of legend, but Broly is just ANOTHER lssj. Broly and this lssj would probably have a good go at things...
That's because it is, that's why Vegeta was scared of broly. Because Vegeta is the only one that knows the lore and history of the legendary super Saiyan.
@KerrDogga yes exactly :) but that "normal super sayian" was actually ssj4. A power that enormous and he had a tail (obviously if he could turn oozaru) it makes sense he would be ssj4. Plus old kai said [after goku ssj4 trans.] That this was not the first time this form was achieved.
and also remember on gt when goku was in his golden ape form pan helps him to remember the good times in life his feelings for pan transformed him so basically he had to change back to his normal self to become a ssj4 in other words his power level stayed the same from golden ape form he's just in control of it now lol
Isn't Broly the Super Saiyan? He already was a SSJ as a Teen Broly (In Paragus Flashback). Vegeta stated that the power was so strong that it made him Primitive that it gave a rage. Yet Broly didn't kill himself because of Paragus's Control. That's why the small situation of Broly being mad against Goku seems to be a big deal to Broly, he's enraged, insane.
My theory is that the origina ssj was a golden oozaru who didn't exactly achieve the form goku did in GT. SSJ4 is a half human half oozaru form and can only be achieved by true pure blooded saiyans.
+Tariq Khan It could be like many myths in the real world - it's been misconstrued over the generations. For example it says he could only maintain the form in the transformed state, maybe later saiyans thought this meant the ape transformation, but it was originally the actual super saiyan transformed state with the golden hair.
One could argue that Bulma and Vegeta's theory is wrong especially since Gohan a Half-Saiyan could achieve SSj4 in DB Heroes. Maybe it had something to do with Baby being in control of Vegeta's power not Vegeta himself so perhaps the only way for a Saiyan (I mean any Saiyan pure, half, quarter, human that's saiyan descent) to become a SSJ4 is that they must control their own power as the Golden Oozaru themselves and not from outside help like Baby. Note: Outside help meaning someone like Baby, Babidi, and Towa controlling your body and mind
Well Vegeta said he could only maintain his super sayian status in the TRANSFORMED state. What people never think about is that no saiyan alive in the series ever saw a super saiyan in person, they just had legends, and these legends say that there was a transformed state for these legendary beings. Naturally Vegeta would take this as meaning the Ape form, since he has no idea saiyans are even capable of any other transformations at this point. Theoretically this legendary transformed state could refer to Broly's form, and not the ape.
This is the FEEL that SUPER lost....tbh we haven't even seen the Legendary ssj yet...someone so strong they can only be in their transformed state to maintain damnnnn. An then imagine BOOM ssj4 becomes the real ssj transformation.
@@MonsterHunterPV why did they call it “super saiyan full power”? That’s so lame they should’ve just kept lssj or something like “true super saiyan” idk.
@@al_nasr5851 yea that was corny, or how Jiren Ui is somehow Jiren full power, even tho he was already full power before he broke his limits vs Mui goku.
There is no way this saiyan is yamoshi. Yamoshi was the first super saiyan and super saiyan god yet this legend refers to the "last super saiyan" who could only control it in great ape form and ultimately was destroyed by his own power. Yamoshi died to saiyans not by his own power as this super saiyan did.
The original super saiyan is Bardock himself. It was stated in the manga after freeza shot the death ball to the planet vegeta. Bardock was sucked into a wormhole back in time as he was the first super saiyan against freeza ancestors... (Alternated Story for Bardock)
Wow. I totally forgot that the last Super Saiyan wasn't able to contain the power and ultimately killed themselves. That means Goku handled that transformation with absolute grace💙
There's a theory that ssj4 was a form achieved by the original ssj. Old Kai says when goku goes ssj 4 that it was not the first time this form was achieved. Maybe the ossj went ssj4 then had to go super oozaru, then died.
@Basty135 yes but he is the 1st bcoz bardock had go many years back 1000 and chilled hadnt any idea for famous saiyans :D he was the 1st saiyan and super saiyan
