The Origins of the Jesus Fish 

I always thought it was a reference to the multiplying of the fish at the last supper.

I always figured it was tied to the _fisher of men_ reference. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@@antagonizerr The multiplication of the loaves and the fish was after he preached to the masses in the Galilee. Fish isn't mentioned in the last supper.

Again, its not a christian practise. Immersion/mikvah is a Jewish practise.

you could post more often. Would be nice to have a video once a week.

Actually, that explanation would make some sense, now that I think about it.

After helping him catch two boat loads of fish, Jesus told Peter that he will make him a different kind of fisherman, one who brings in people and not fish.

@@MPHJackson7 would make more if it was fish and bread? But i always thought the bumper stickers were playing off that story

@@MPHJackson7 The better question is how did the fisherman stories become so predominant in the Gospels? Personally, I apt to go with the Procession of The Equinox into Pieces at the beginning of the First Century CE. This is backed up by a story that I think is in John, where the disciples ask Jesus , once he has gone, what should they watch for. The response is a Man carrying a jug of water through the door, out of the house. This being a reference to Aquarius, the next sign in the Procession of The Equinox.

@@Damons-Old-Soul Or it could be, I don't know, because he lived in the general area of the Sea of Galilee in the company of fishermen.

"The fishmongers are getting intense with their ads lately"

You just described the most archeological experience

I'm sure the ancient romans thought their new Christian neighbors were all pescatarian LOLOL. Little did they know the REAL Christian cuisine: baby back ribs slathered in barbecue sauce with a side of potato salad and coleslaw.

"I'm sorry, I don't think I understand.... You worship a fish god?"

As a kid with a secular upbringing, this was me.

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But all those origin stories are pretty fishy

This comment seems a bit fishy to me...

No it's because Jesus said to Peter he would make him a fisher of man.

There is no definite answer.

And the Greek letters on the Jesus fish (Iota, Chi Theta, Psi, Epsilon) stand for "I Cross Over Yonder Estuary" .

at first glance I would have thought the fish multiplication story too

Fish insignia’s on cars and businesses also indicate -Dude, I am one of you and we are super moral people and why don’t YOU Have a fish sticker? Age old is the desire to belong, we are all wired for connection. I personally find it a turn-off and un-inclusive. I was just in the Citidel of Fagaras in Romania (1310) where the knights chairs, in fact all the hugely oversized restored chairs and throne had identical sets of 2 fish (over and under), carved in a circle on each chair back. I was told that the reference was Christianity. But I’m intrigued about the Pisces reference, particularly after seeing these carvings. 12th astrological sign, derived from the symbol of the fish, Ichthyocentaurs, aided Aphrodite when she was born from the sea. Perhaps one inspired the other?

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Come to think of it, wasn't there a Sumerian God or demigod that was in the form of a fish, that taught people civilization or something?

@@avishalom2000lm maybe a reference to Loki the norse trickster god hidden in the form of a fish

@@avishalom2000lm That Babylonian god-man in fish attire was named Dagon or Oannes. The latter name is akin to Iohannes, John, who baptizes Jesus with river water.

a little ironic then that he promotes Bart Erhman's work. Not to say that Bart doesn't have any scholarly credibility, but just that (at least imho) he comes off far too often as allowing his own personal biases leak into his work, where sometimes he feels less like he's studying christian scripture honestly and more like he's trying to debunk it regardless of where the evidence points to. Luckily ReligionForBreakfast does not fall into this behavior, love his content and how he approaches it.

Yep

@@orangedalmatian I agree Religion For Breakfast always seems impartial which is nice to hear. I think the problem with Bart Ehrman is he’s a sell out. I think he goes whatever direction sells more books and keeps him relevant.

@@J.F.331 yes exactly. Ehrman has sorta found his niche crowd and is content with just regurgitating their established opinions back at them, even if the arguments no longer hold water. RfB I feel is a real envelope pusher in the field of religious studies, he sure has taught me many things.

No I think he's just your typical interlectual christian full of head knowledge and not heart knowledge which the bible warnes us about.

@Neuhauser Stefan After Taurus was Aries, the ram, or lamb. But you are still correct, it's all based on astrology and star charts, or the Great Year as Plato called it. 2160 years per "month" with the entire cycle taking 25,920 years to complete. After the bull worship era there was the Ram. Ancient Egypt is full of Ram idolatry, and the Bible has more than a few lamb references. You can find them everywhere from 2000BC to 0. Then the age of Pisces begins and we have the fish representing Jesus, the dominant religious figure of the last 2000 years. We are now in between Pisces and Aquarius (the exact dates are debated as a single degree of the great year is 72 years long). Unfortunately none of this helps me pick the winning lottery numbers though :( 😆

Pisces was my first thought too. Additionally, in anatomical astrology Pisces is related to the feet and Jesus was also famous for the washing of the feet.

@@ks5553 When Abraham went to sacrifice his son Isaac, the angel of the Lord told him that theory was pleased with his obedience and that he didn't have to go through with it. When he cut his son loose they found a ram to sacrifice. Maybe a reference to aries? Once the Israelites leave Egypt, Moses goes into the mountains to pray (there God provides him with the commandments). When he returns, his people are worshipping a calf of molten gold. Maybe a reference to Taurus? There's a part in the book of Mark where Jesus tells two of his disciples that when they go into the city there will be a man waiting for them with a pitcher of water (water bearer), and they are to follow him into a building. That kind of sounds like the age of pices following the age of aquarius. Maybe I'm stretching these. Idk.

@@nicomoreno5028 I don't think it's too much of a stretch. Almost all ancient literature is full of processional age-related information as they paid much closer attention to the stars than we do these days. I'm not familiar with the story of Jesus and the man with the pitcher, but it's always possible. One thing to keep in mind is that the processional cycle actually moves backward through the zodiac because of the wobble motion, so Aquarius comes after Pisces. Maybe that makes a difference in that story? I have no idea really. Some people think that the golden calf story is a reference to Taurus, and that the reason Moses was so upset is because it was an idol from the former age (I believe that story took place during Aries) And the Bible does go on quite a bit there about how, basically Aaron (who Moses left in charge) was an idiot and the people were being foolish and stupid by making the calf idol. Moses then ground the idol to dust and mixed it with water then made the people drink it, literally eating their mistake. I'm no scholar so I can't really say for sure, but I do know that you find processional numbers and symbols all throughout the Bible. And the book of Revelations is jam packed with them front to back. But you also find them in ancient Egypt, Sumer, India, China, and even the Maya and other south American cultures

This idea predates Jung by quite a bit, Aleister Crowley referenced it a great deal and I think Madame Blavatsky did as well.

"And we are gonna GUT THE ROMANS!" -Thing Jesus didn't say.

It was Dagon’s first. Just another stolen idea to make Christianity’s smorgasbord from other religions.

The Fisher King

@@CorbCorbin No...no other teaching follows or was seen, as far as we can see, like the teaching of Christ. But we must read His words to know that.

I'm surprised if RFB didn't mention this.

Still think sermons are pointless or do you not see the world falling apart around you 😂.

@@notme5205Sermons don't fix that. They drive it by maintaining a perpetuation of supernatural and tribal ignorance. People need to start learning for themselves and not following their modern Pharisees.😇

@@danielpaulson8838 Oh so what should we do then wise one? You must have some idea of what should we do then.

Have a fulfilling meal

Did you enjoyed your Tilapia?

@@daleblue22 I had leftover vegan tortilla soup from the day before, Taco Tuesday. But I definitely enjoyed the video

@Ramiro Moreno get over it dude. Your club Jesus is losing members more than ever. People are eating because is getting outdated and way to radical. We live on a cycle and we are meant to keep moving forward.

@Ramiro Moreno oh sorry I meant to say Club Yeshua. Or you may wanna ask the Hebrews why they never wanted to join the club 😉?

That’s really cool that you’re searching! how do you view jesus?

@@timg5603 I am definitely still learning! In my mind Jesus was an honorable person, with a great knowledge of scripture, and a great message of peace and love. Worth respecting, and looking up to 100%

Yes, this! In the New Testament the disciples ask Jesus what to look for and the end of the AGE, and he responds by telling them to look for a man bearing a pitcher of water (The Age of Aquarius). There's other examples of Astrotheology/Astrological ages in the Bible, such as Moses shattering the golden calf symbolized the end of the Age of Taurus, in the book of Genesis, Adam and Eve symbolized the Age of Gemini. Not just the in the Bible but across many ancient cultures.

@@Shadow_from_the_sun other Christians are attacking me because I’m telling them about the astrology connection🤦🏽‍♀️

@@jocelynflowers don't let them get you down

@@ikengaspirit3063 thank you :)

@@jocelynflowers that's expected unfortunately. Don't let them get to you because you think for yourself and are a rational individual. Have compassion for them too.. it must really suck being deathly afraid of different things that can challenge your fragile world view.

I am so sorry for our failure to teach. You deserved better.

The Jonah connection is present numerous terms in the text and I think the most likely connection

Wait! Its literally Jesus in the big fish, and he did say the only sign he'd give the corrupt generation was the sign of jonah in the belly of the big fish. Definitely onto something with the Jonah stuff.

Fish imagery is everywhere... “ I’ll make you fishers of men” The sign of Jonah.. some of the apostles were fishermen...

He repented but he also died to his old self and obeyed God to preach to the Assyrians of Nineveh(literally means fishing village by the way) after 3 days. The Assyrians repented and believed after Jonah came to them. Absolutely the sign of Jonah. Jonah means God's Dove, the same Dove that is represented by the Holy Spirit. Remember the Dove also returns signs of dry land for Noah and his family in the story of the Flood. Jesus himself brings the Holy Spirit through his death and resurrection to all mankind because he is God himself in the flesh. The fish is the sign of repentance, death to the old self, and hope for those drowning without God to catch them.

But he answered them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew 12:39‭-‬40 ESV

There was no starving village. Just a poorly-planned wedding.

2 fishes = 2 eyes 5 bread = 5 Grace of God 2 + 5 = 7 spirit of God *water - wine - blood = Christ eternal within body* All start with simple things 😉 5 Fingers & 2 Hand = PRAY (worship - Praise) and sharing - caring in love, and believe our Heavenly Father and His Son be multiple all for us. That's why Jesus said *BELIEVE* You *BELIEVE* first and you *SEE* But now Christian peoples SEE first and BELIEVE 🤦

@William Burns I guess he means that fish have the shape of an eye, so two eyes...

You should check out the Sigils in Key of Solomon the King and the Lesser key of Solomon. All sorts of stuff like that. Modern esotericists have descriptions of how to construct sigils, which is kinda like hiding words in the pictures. Imagine that image over a grid that has letters in each square, then think of all the loops and doops as additional detail. Not sure how that sports one was made though. Oh yeah and lots of the imagery in gang graffiti is from esoteric stuff too.

I mean, subcultures are literally nothing new and have popped up here and there all throughout history.

There is nothing new Under the Sun

@@lickmyfuckinnuts the more things change, the more things stay the same

Every “established culture” we have/ever had was a subculture at one point or another until enough people were a part of it.

They needed to, in order to save paper, which was more expensive. He forgot about that part. You can see shortcuts taken by the Gospel writers, as well, because of this need to conserve paper.

Turns out vowel-less, sylabic, etc. writing systems were right all along

Yup

@@garyzuelch8152 Sea kittens?

Yes.

The fish is a symbol of the precessional Great Month of Pisces. This era started in AD 10, when Aries (sheep) changed to Pisces (fish). That is why Jesus was a Lamb of God (Aries), who became a Fisher of Men (Pisces). That is why Alexander the Great was linked to ram’s horns. Incidentally, the fish and anchor symbol, was the motif of Emperor Vespasian. See the book: Jesus, King of Edessa. R.

The “fishers of men” reference is Jesus talking to his disciples, specifically his early disciples who were fishermen. It’s not used to refer to Jesus at all.

The 'fishers of men' bit is mostly a pun made in English translations of the Bible. If you read the Hebrew or Greek versions they don't have that same, almost comedic flair. They have the same meaning without the word play.

@Morgue VØID Ah yes, Protestant conspiracy theorism. I will be sure to ignore.

@@DneilB007 its to refer that they will gather people to follow Jesus

I always thought that it was because we are to be fishers of men like Peter?

The miraculous draft is definitely the fishiest story (as it were) in The Gospels We get two different accounts (Luke 5, and John 21) so it appears to have been pretty well known.

Well yes, but actually no..

Ita vero!

in 950 years, (Dr Anatoly Fomenko).

Yeah I learned about that in my AP Art History class in 2019. Kinda interesting

Yup

fishers of men? so they will hunt men for food? i don't get it

@@righthomosphere7962 ...It's a metaphore. Hope that help🤷‍♀️

"You will collect the souls of the humans"

So they were adopting the pagan fish symbol.

Just like the popes mitre hat

@@jayytee8062 is supposed to be a big fish mouth.

The symbol refers to a much older god Dagon. He was half man half fish. He was the god of fish, fertility & a bunch of other stuff. The popes hat looks like his head. Google Dagon.

@@tylerhughson8925 true

Yeah, and basically every baroque catholic church has a statue of an angel standing on an anchor, those symbols are still widely known even outside Orthodoxy. Of course West added its own very complex romanesque and gothic symbolisms and so did the East but really, this is not something overly esoteric. I was surprised when a muslim friend of mine didnt understand "alpha and omega" but let me tell you that most christian denominations should understand what an anchor or a ship means.

Pescecution

I noticed that. RfB is awesome. Take his online class if it's available if you haven't. I really loved the one I did.

Exactly. The ancient Sumerian's made frequent reference to the "Bull of Heaven" (Taurus) associated with agriculture (think of all the now demonized horn gods), the rising constilation of the vernal equinox roughly 7000 years ago. Later religions used the symbol of the Ram (Aries, think of the Hebrews blowing the rams horn marking the new year and festivals). Jesus is the fish and the internet is Aquarius.

@@vegahimsa3057 I worry what to think Capricorn (the Goat) would be

@@vegahimsa3057 - I watched the video expecting what you said. The Sky Bull is about the Taurid Stream bombarding the earth, one being the 12,900ka Younger Dryas Impact Theory and the other being the 2,300BC Event. It is all about the zodiac, Mark 14:13 Aquarius

@@benjones5610 Capricorn, the goat fish, is fascinating to me as he is exactly attributed to the earliest writing of Sumeria, unchanged. Though, I'm curious: what worries you?

I've thought this for some time too and clicked on this video specifically to see if that's what he would talk about.

Isn't that exactly what ReligionForBreaskfast said? That Hollywood popularized it against the cross (in meme competition) more than the books in the 1800s (which RFB said was the first time the fish thing was mentioned as a "secrete handshake" rather than just an obvious symbol like all other Christian symbols used in early times (also pagans used their own symbols). Paganism writes less because Judaism emphasizes the importance of writing way more (similar to how Egyptians emphasized the importance of writing with a GOD OF WRITING, something the Greeks really didn't have popularly).

@@letsomethingshine What do you mean? The Greeks have plenty of writing even if they didn't have a specific god for it.

ha!

Just use dried salty fishy. If the vampire ever sets it aflame with its infernal glare at least you'd have something to eat.

That would be an awesome episode.

Clearing throat

Kiran gets its wrong as usual.. It's a badly copied book.. Plaugarised..

Take that idea with a grain of salt. It is Carl Yung's Theory. Look him up. Interesting Character.

I always found that one to be funny

My favorite was always the Darwin lizard mounting the Jesus fish. I mean, if you are going to go blasphemous, might as well go all in.

Cthulhu fish

Jesus fish Darwin fish Truth fish eats Darwin fish I don't remember what came next

@@piperar2014 Gulpo, the fish that eats concepts.

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Carl Jung was a modern gnostic, not an historical one.

@@karekarenohay4432 No. Jung, according to himself, wasn't a Gnostic, modern or otherwise. Fascinated by Gnosticism, well-read in it, certainly. Regardless, Aion has some very interesting perspectives on the topic of this video.

@@_spacegoat_ Many times we don't know people for what they say about themselves, but for what they do. Have your read Jung's Seven Sermons to the Dead? The Red Book? They are incredible samples of pure Gnosticism, and they weren't intended to be shown to the public, but privately or for a few (just the meaning of the word "esoteric"). I think Psychologists and Psychiatrists fear the brand of "non-scientific" (or worse, "pseudoscience") that many scientists give to Psychoanalysis since Freud's era. If Jung believed in a transformation of the being through a spiritual esoteric knowledge (that is, if he were a modern Gnostic), logically he wouldn't say it openly because his career would be affected. His works speak for him, however. I strongly recommend you the book The Gnostic Jung, by Stephan Hoeller, where the author concludes Jung was indeed a new Gnostic by the research of some works of him, mainly Seven Sermons to the Dead. It's a fascinating reading.

@@karekarenohay4432 Gnosticism has a lot of rationale behind why current Christians believe what they believe. Jung used them to explain a lot.

Yes! The fish is a symbol of unconscious content, according to Jung and I concur. Check my comment and link in main thread.

I was raised being taught it was because Jesus said to his followers "I will make you fisher of men". Jesus made us fisher of men, because we are supposed to lead mankind to God. Through teaching them about the love, peace, compassion, forgiveness and grace of God, and we are to do that by being a living example of those very things to everyone we meet.

One test of this would be to look at the Greek word the Latin word "Millennium" was translated from. Could it have referee to Age rather than 1000 years? I'm no scholar but would love to hear from one.

Referred, not referee.

This could also explain why the relationship between the French and the Church is unlike anywhere else.

More like baised and none sense

👁️👄👁️ P-people literally f*cked a-animals-?!

👁️👄👁️ P-people literally f*cked a-animals-?!

I guess you are missing parts of history. VESICA PISCIS is a sign for the fertility Goddess Venus and The Great Mother Goddess. Just to name a few. If you are going to teach then be a teacher!

Well, you could use a cryptogram for your teams and add "Suck!"