The Outer Worlds in Close Critique [Spoilers] 

You make it sound like an astute observation of US Politics

It doesn't even read as satire to me. It reads as a straight parody. It is in no way trying to shame any particular group or institution. It pokes fun, but it's not critiquing.

Well said, but isn't that apt in a way as a criticism of the imaginative limits of the game's cynical characters, and therefore also a criticism of some real anti-capitalist rhetoric? After all, if you think about many of the prominent anti-capitalist perspectives today, you have choices that are limited in kind of the same way. You have the democratic socialist types, who want to rally everyone to vote for the right progressives to take office, and they're going to make everything better. Even many traditional revolutionary types think that state power needs to be seized, the means of production nationalized, and everyone is going to be led by an intellectual vanguard party until we can achieve "full communism". (Here of course I mostly have in mind Marxism-Leninism.) It may be revolutionary (as opposed to most of this game's third options), but it's still fundamentally a matter of giving the right people power. And of course you also have the rise of something like Third Position-ism again in the more populist corners of recent right-wing movements. I don't think I need to give a lengthy criticism of that, but to sum up, quite a lot of anti-capitalist critique still buys into the the view that the same political power that today creates oppressive conditions can tomorrow create conditions of freedom and equality as soon as the right leaders are in charge. I don't know if The Outer Worlds is cognizant of these limitations, or if (more likely) it too has bought into the ideology of political power and (worse still) slow progress over time, but the ironic alignment of the limited outcomes of player decisions with the imaginary limits of the world's NPCs is worth noting either way I think.

You can buy their point or not, but I think it is more than valid. The game accurately depicts the destructive elements of revolution while still accepting that revolutions will change things, this is already quite generous since revolutions far more often fail than anything. Ultimately their viewpoint is that when faced with an existential crisis humanity uniting to solve that crisis is better than burning everything down.

Broken compared to what?

Yet this game is as flawed as 76. Both 76 have a strong core piece (the world in 76, the dialogues in TOW) but the rest is lacking. Both games are objectively 6/10. So it sucks that gamers tend to glorify TOW and condemn 76...

@@BoroMirraCz Uh, no. That's not what I meant at all. 76 is still trash and will always be trash, because it was made by a lazy, incompetent studio that's been stagnating for years. The Outer Worlds is crushingly mediocre, but that doesn't suddenly make 76 a misunderstood gem.

@@BoroMirraCz "Objectively"

@@BoroMirraCz What world? It has minimal(if any) connection to the World that is it's setting, not to mention blatantly throwing out years of world building for some cheap thrills.

Your right I played through it and I was like ... Eh it was great but ... That's it I guess

It's why I loved pathologic 2. I just didn't have the time to do everything. More rpgs should have time moving on mercilessly. Choosing not to do a quest is a choice, and these people will suffer. That's role-playing. Or tldr, more role play less roll play

Its kinda sad that it even needs to be said

I disagree as well. There's nothing wrong with willing to experience as much of the game as possible. It completely bullshit when a game locks you out of content because of some random decision without any prior warning. Would people be happy that Witcher 3 locked them out of Blood and Wine because the player didn't choose to... I don't know... trim Gerald's beard?

Well, I guess Gothic isn't a good RPG then.

@@BoroMirraCz if you're so willing to experience it, then what's so wrong with a second play through?

@@tightwad06 I don't know why I didn't get the notification for this comment, maybe it was divine intervention. Either way, I agree completely. I'm not a sodomite yet, I'm still a virgin sweet and pure in the eyes of the lord, but I've heard that prostate orgasm is pretty intense so I'm looking forward to trying that.

Provo what a snot to delete your own comment

@@tightwad06 the fuck is wrong with you?

@@tightwad06 No I would not. I would just be traumatized by the way I must have found out about this.

@@Skullkan6 I'd like to say it would be easy to not fall for such a trick but it unironically threw me off when I revisited this comment chain. Guy's got enough craft to get me feeling for a brief moment like I'm just gross in lieu of having good arguments. Sure, some of that's just me not trusting my past self, but the guy's got craft.

It was hilarious having hardcore Obsidian fans proclaiming this was gonna be NV in space. Oh hohoho how wrong they were.

Never really liked any of the fallout games tbh.

@@colin-campbell Can you blame them? Bethesda's been moving in a non-RPG direction for years, leaving many Fallout fans neglected and starving for a Fallout-esque RPG to sink their teeth into. Fallout 76 only exacerbated that feeling when Bethesda dropped the pretenses and revealed that their only interest is profit.

Peter Hanson It’s as if companies like to make profits.

Le underrated gem

To be honest, I thought that Noah would have done a double review of the two, considering the up-front similarities. Close release dates, same "frontiersman in space" vibe, even close to the same name.

@@a.monach7602 The name similarity is incredibly unfortunate. It's like they got into a staring contest and nobody blinked.

Man I can't even imagine what Outer Wilds would do to Noah. That would be such a beautiful collision of considerate story-telling and creativity.

I did too! I was like "alright, THIS is where the game starts to get juicy!" before bitterly watching the end slides and credits.

It's really more of a proof-of-concept than 'the next NV' - but I understand why they had to market it like it was going to be the next NV. It's their last major game in the mainstream market and Obsidian is a beaten puppy when it comes to their finances. They needed a safe bet and if nothing else Outer Worlds is fucking SAFE.

I had that while playing Final Fantasy XIII. I thought I reached the point where the big villain of the first half is shown to be a pawn and the real antagonist revealed. But no, that was actually it.

exactly like Tyranny, right?

Me too! I read the warning about how you couldn't go back and figured "Ah, there's going to be some big change in the status quo that locks out certain unfinished quests or something." I never imagined it was the end.

I think Fallout fans in particular demand more of the same and treat any change like it's "ruining Fallout (again)" so it's understandable why they're scared to try anything innovative. Change is easy to critique, but stagnation will kill you.

@creapsmantic That sounds more like a DLC than a new game.

I skipped the game solely because its a sjw leftist cuckery propaganda machine made by mutant wahmen in crewcut.

@@nessesaryschoolthing If by "innovative" you mean dull and uninspired, it's not like Fallout 4 offers anything new, actually it's simplified in most areas comparing with New Vegas or even F3 and F76 is a disaster.

Mirror Blade "any critique of the things I like is propaganda"

calling this problem bioware-ish kinda makes me angry. there is a ton of moral complexity in mass effect and dragon age. and in kotor it's lack is an essential part of the universe. this is some revisionist history shit because the last few bioware games were garbage.

I'd argue that the issues with this games choices run deeper than the lack of justifiable motivations/effects-on-the-wider-world given to each faction. I see most of the faults with this game coming down to the bad habits Obsidian has developed over the previous two decades because their fanbase has encouraged those habits. Obsidian's writing has always veered towards the overly cynical, and the mid-00's was the perfect breeding ground for that type of worldview to be championed as good writing in videogames. They were an alternative to the "naivete" of Bioware/Bethesda-style RPG's, and genuinely felt subversive during a time when CRPG's were in danger of disappearing completely. In the present day, with governments gaining more intrusive control into the lives of its citizens and even the planet itself in danger of dying because of 1% greed, the most oppressive of dystopian fiction feel like idealistic escapism, and its audience are unwilling to suffer through what they can see and experience on a daily basis. Tyranny, for example, was a project that Obsidian had wanted to create for years, and by the time they finally completed it, Trump came into office and suddenly the games tagline of "Sometimes, evil wins," hit far too close to home than most players were ready to deal with. The writers at Obsidian are still, even past their prime, better than the majority of video game writing on the market, and especially the AAA mainstream portion of that market. As flawed as their satire of capitalism is, the comedic elements still land well, and that's more than Bethesda have managed with their brand of Fallout-themed comedy. However, the cynicism that made Obsidian stand out is now dragging them down creatively, and rectifying that would require a re-evaluation of their values as people, and what their works communicate beyond being a playground for player-choice. I'd like to believe Obsidian's writers are capable of doing this, but the general positive response to Outer Worlds will block out any notion they're on the wrong track, especially if Obsidian continues being used by hardcore RPG enthusiasts to insult other RPG development studios (which I've been guilty of, even in this very paragraph.)

@@Molimo95 Red ending, blue ending, green ending.

​@@Molimo95 Calling it "revisionist history" is a bridge too far. Bioware has been guilty of everything OP implied since ME3 came out. Revisionist history would be something like ignoring the past 7 years of games to focus on a better era when Bioware likely had a different set of developers than today. I understand why you don't like people focusing on the more negative elements of Bioware when there's positive stuff as well, but this is what happens when a company obliterates all the respect and good will they've earned.

Hmmm seems like in the past ten years video games have become less of a create your own story adventure and more of a " I made video games to change peoples lives.....by cramming my personal, political opinion and world views down your throat till you see things my way or lose consciousness from lack of oxygen so I can defile your misogynist,racist white corpse." agenda.

Yes, you've really done fuck all with those characters by the end of the game. You... went to planet #2 together, and fought the same three generic enemy types as on planet #1.

You've not role played the game and it's a role playing game. You've just rushed through the story quests on easy difficulty; that isn't completion lol. Start a game on standard or higher difficulty, spend time building a character and ROLE PLAY IT PROPERLY and then you will not be able to just rush the game in 2 hours; you will need to build your character and max them out - for your final assault on Tartarus. What a waste, this is my favourite game I think it's better than Fallout NV which was my previous favourite game that I still play regularly. The reason it's "better" isn't just because it's newer though, FalloutNV the writing wasn't as good and the characters aren't as good, and the voice acting sucks, and it has bugs, and the graphics and shooting are terrible - these things are ALL improved vastly in OW as well as having top tier graphics. Seriously I would recommend you play the game again and this time play it on a difficulty setting that reflects your experience. Sticking it on casual and speedrunning it, you may as well just buy a COD game lol. Are you a fan of role playing games generally? I play very little else, and let me tell you that when you play Outer Worlds the way it was intended you WILL find that it is far far better than you've given it credit for. I'm now on my second playthrough on harder difficulty with a vastly different character and already it's a completely different game. As a female character who is physically weak but intelligent and sneaky (opposite of my usual male "me" character) the dialog is totally different, the missions lead to different things and involve different resulting scenarios. First time I was a brute character with low tech skills but maxed out weapons, and I ended up almost perfectly saving everybody I could and ending on all the morally good choices (I did screw up a few times though and didn't save-scum to fix the fuckup). This time with the sneaky chick character, I can't do that - it forces me to play in a different way TO ROLE PLAY a different way and THAT is where this game excels. If I just barrel into any gunfighting my companions and I will just die, without fail because my health is so low. But to make up for it I can now lie, persuade, intimidate, steal, or sneak around and that makes the game totally anew. Try again bro you are missing out! By the end of the first game I knew the companion characters really really well, but two of them ended up wanting to leave my crew because of decisions I made they didn't agree with and i'd caused two others to dislike each other. This time around I will try to piss them all off to see all that content I never saw with them arguing amongst themselves, or remarking during missions how they think my decision sucks and they are gonna fuck off if I do it again :D Excellent game 9/10 I just wish it had more DLC's or maybe had new game plus. Can't wait for OW2 or the next Obsidian game.

‘Better than Fallout: New Vegas’? I respectfully disagree. I would recommend watching ‘NeverKnowsBest’ critique this game. That should challenge your beliefs on the nature of it as a enjoyable product. It’s shallow and re-treads old ground. It’s non-sensical and only pushes one, although it does so poorly. But as I say, I feel the previously mentioned video can do this argument more justice than me.

*one narrative

@@angusd7285 Dude I have owned this game for over ten years there is not a thing the guy can teach me about FNV. I have played more of it myself than either of you. Stop sucking the dried out teats of review fucking rate the games yourself, then you won't have your mind so easily changed on it. FNV is actually a fairly terrible game engine so that immediately hamstrings it during the comparison. DESPITE the terrible engine, it still manages greatness whereas OW has a great engine already so the gameplay is solid BEFORE you start enjoying the story and RPG elements. Plus FNV is too predictable when it ends, at least in OW you can actually BE a proper bad character because FO never allows for this, it just fakes it really well. There is literally ZERO tragedy to FNV universe continually cannibalising itself and dying, it may as well be episodic now at least OW had emotionally touching moments - FNV was comedy not tragedy because of all the bugs! OW has barely any bugs. But sure I get it man you don't like newer games as much, that's up to you just let's not make out that FNV was absolutely perfect it was definitely not. It still crashes regularly lol whereas I have crashed OW twice in two months, both whilst getting the overclock setups going. OW is definitely the better game, though I had more fun with FNV in the decade I actively played it the most it's not really fair to compare OW until i've had that ten years too,

You're right, and now I'm sad. Fuck.

Yeah it’s basically written to sell to Chapo Trap House fans lol

this is true but banal, applies to all "anti capitalist" art as commodity

@@bleepbloop2318 Chapo spent months getting out to vote for Bernie, I don’t know what other US leftism you have

In fairness to Obsidian, I don't get the impression it was created and produced for that express purpose. Obsidian is still a fairly mid-sized studio, but under the same pressure for ROI as any other. I don't doubt they were trying to reach a wider audience, but it's the anti-capitalist sentiment and ideology that's stale. People are sick of anti-this and anti-that. That's why ideologues and propagandists have reframed their anti-isms as pro-isms to try and make them sound more appealing to the supposed "masses." If Obsidian wanted to reach a wider audience with The Outer Worlds, the premise might have been better a satire of corporate rule with which most anyone would be able to relate, but that would have been a tall order, indeed. "Science fiction is a great way to pretend you are writing about the future when, in reality, you are attacking the recent past and the present." ~ Ray Bradbury The fact that corporations rule our world is, in fact, a solid basis for great satire, but Outer Worlds might have fared better if it hadn't been an exploration of a society that had internalized corporate culture and propaganda to such an extent that it comes across as merely stupid. It would have been a very different game, but would likely have resonated with far more people.

Just want to reiterate that this is perhaps the only game I know that explores the art of suffering.

​@@MarZandvliet You might've heard of it by now, since it's been growing in popularity, but in case you haven't--I think you might also "enjoy" Rain World, based on everything I know of Pathologic. The experience of trying to find meaning in Rain World, both like, as someone playing a videogame, but also in a much grander sense, a "what can the point be to living in such a cruel world?" since it throws you out to the wolves with no express objectives, barely any tutorialization, barely any idea of how to do anything... By no means similar in how they play, but, I think they might be in their absolutely unflinching design choices and emotional/affective difficulty. It's an open world survival platformer of sorts, with incredible, ruthless AI creatures and the most engrossing takes on a collapsed sci-fi world I've ever seen, with some really stunning environments. That's the simplest way to explain it. Honestly, I'd recommend looking up a trailer or Matthewmatosis's review, he'll probably sell it better than I can. But uhh, if you want to read what I wrote, (I don't really expect you too, it's pretty long) here's a more in-depth, but still spoilerless explanation. Rain World follows you, a small slippery rodent creature (a slug cat) that has recently been separated from its family. You have to survive in a harsh, alien ecosystem that sprang forth from the corpse of some now ancient, sci-fi world, that is constantly being simulated even when off-screen. Every creature has goals and wants and needs, they're always hunting, scrapping with each other over food, leading to some truly incredible and dynamic encounters. All the animation is code-based/physics based, so you and all the other creatures have a very physical, dynamic presence in the world, and there isn't really any separation between AI and animation. The way you and creatures dynamically scramble up things, grab onto the environment, switch methods of locomotion, it's all extremely dynamic and unpredictable. If, reading that, you're imagining TABS, then--well, yes, occasionally, it can lead to hilarious results, but mostly, it actually enhances your immersion in the world. Picture this: You're being pursued by a big lizard, scrambling over ruined, uneven terrain, when a huge mechanised vulture swoops in from above. You plant a spear in its guts and it tumbles down to the earth, landing on your pursuer, then the vulture comes to its senses, and now they're both embroiled in a fight. Controlling your guy feels, in some ways, kind of similar to the characters of Team Ico games. That feeling of being a small character that is affected onto by the world, where the physics overrides a total sense of agency yet, ironically kind of immerses you more deeply in that world, as you barely cling to the back of a colossus, or your sense of weight and momentum in The Last Guardian... It is a platformer game, but, definitely not a very traditional one. There's a larger emphasis on the environment, and more realistic locomotion. Though, if you get really good at the movement, there is a ton of unexplained movement tech that can have you dancing and zipping around. It'll just take you a few hundred hours, some tutorials, and multiple playthroughs to get there! You weren't fully grown, and as such, disconcertingly strange systems and controls put you in step with a little guy who has no idea how to do much other than clumsy, basic locomotion, and... eating some bugs. Those are the only things the game teaches you, and then you're thrown out into the storm. Literally. In this world, you have to scavenge for food, try and explore and make progress, but every 10-15 minutes, a terrifying, crushing rainstorm will start up, and if you aren't inside a shelter, the pressure will kill you, or flood enclosed rooms, drowning you. You are given no express goals. You have no idea what your purpose is, now, all alone in the world, and you as the player have to seek it out. It's kind of harrowing at times, you're not the bottom of the food chain, but you aren't far off, especially at the beginning of your playthrough when you don't know what you're doing but--not having that pretense of gold at the end of the rainbow, the game actively testing your reserves of hope, your ability to deal with exhaustion and get back up again, leads to some of the most unbelievably stunning payoffs I've seen in a game. Same ballpark as Outer Wilds for me, personally. There were moments towards the end that felt almost spiritual, lol. But it's not just in big moments either, I mean, even in the environment, there are all these fantastic moments of discovery! You don't get told what items or creatures do (with one or two exceptions), you just have to watch carefully, respect the danger present, and experiment. One last thing: the world and your journey through it is extremely non-linear. It's divided into a bunch of individually very large regions with distinct theming, and each region has several gates that lead to other regions. Each gate requires its own level of clearance, and you can level up your clearance by successfully hibernating enough times in a row. The game is inspired by ideas from hinduism and reincarnation, and so this "clearance" is really more like your _karma._ If you die, the clearance goes down one, if you successfully live through a cycle, it goes up one. It's very punishing. What this means, in practice, is you can find yourself in a deep rut, in a horrible place, where progress seems impossible, because you don't have high enough karma to leave the way you came in, and you don't even know where you'd find another way out. It's exploration with real stakes and danger. There are places in this game, MASSIVE places, that I honestly don't think you should ever visit on a first playthrough if you can avoid them. You'll never get stuck on a hard encounter or boss fight, cause the game doesn't have those, but certain regions can be so mechanically mystifying and hostile to you, that you'll have all your clearance reset to zero constantly, and this horrible creeping despair washes over you--and it turns places that, in other games, would only be horrifying in form, into functional nightmares. I promise though, if you spend enough time observing them, carefully, tentatively exploring around your shelter instead of going boldly where no one has gone before, you will understand the rhythms of that region bit by bit, and eventually, claw your way out. In that way, Rain World was for me what I think the original dark souls was for a lot of people... This genuine journey and arc that dragged me through the pits of despair, showed me an unbelievably beautifully realised world (seriously, the art, music, animation, world design, all come together to create such a believable and interesting take on a sci-fi world, it'll knock your socks off)--that traffics less in mechanical, button-input difficulty, and more in demanding an unconscionable amount of will-power and hope to finish it, without promising anything for you at the end. I've played I think maybe half of Bloodborne, I didn't quite have it in me, but, something about this I think, was far more unfriendly, and yet, I was just so intoxicated by this world that I had to keep going. You feel so small and rudderless, there are so many creatively interesting choices, there's nothing quite like it.. If anything, pick it up for the AI, it's incredible. I can't say do it for the sights, because quite a few people never make it out of the first region, and a lot more people end up taking at least two playthroughs to beat the game, because they quit the first one, and I honestly couldn't blame them. but yeah. Sorry for long this was. Hope it's up your alley, that whole... feeling small and alone, crushed under the weight of an uncaring world, the game never holding your hand or giving you a reason to continue, but... pushing through anyway, and not necessarily coming out triumphant, but--never folding. Never giving in, finding a way to speak that world's weird language. I think in those ways, it might be similar.

Idk man every day it seems to me like life gets more and more satirical and cartoonish.

I agree with this, especially with the narrative critique. The problem isn't the material that it was engaging with, but rather the fact that it was very monotonous, to the point that I actually hated even talking to NPCs halfway through the game. Each person's quests, backstory and personal conflict started melding together and becoming a chore to care about, i.e. they were a waste of my time. I *really* enjoyed Edgewater, but partway through the Groundbreaker, nothing much surprised me further.

If Fallout 76 never existed, I doubt Outer Worlds would be praised any more than Fallout 4 was.

Honestly, I never found the corps *cartoonishly* evil cus that's just exactly what they'll do if they're allowed to. What I found annoying is that it was like, The Legion level of evil, but unlike the Legion you weren't *really* allowed to pull out your weird science weapons and microwave all their heads off. It's like if the legion were played for comedy. The only joke- "man these guys suck" gets old real quick, and you probably just want the catharsis of getting to put them them down without the game wagging its finger at you for it. (since every quest requires you compromise with them for the "Good" ending)

Read more books and practice writing your thoughts, you'll improve

I still disagree with him on postal 2, but he put into words my feelings on Jericho, even as a teenager. I loved aspects of the concept but god was it painful to play.

😮 love your content! I can't believe you watch Noah Caldwell-Gervais. Now I know you truly are a man of culture 👍

@JohnnyTheWolf Fantastic. It was my GOTY. I don't think it sold well enough, and it took a very long time to make. I'd still really like see what a talented team is capable of with an older engine that wouldn't require so much time and money spent on assets and licensing. Wrath: Aeon of Ruin is a good example of this in the FPS world. Imagine the Deus Ex version of that!

@JohnnyTheWolf I'd really try to give it a go if you can find it for cheap (or free). Your latter hang up might work itself out...

Wait what happened to System Shock 3

@@themediumcheese like tears in rain

@@HunterTinsleybruh are you serious when did this happen

The classic Noah way. I think I understand a game's design priorities, and then Noah talks about it and I gain a massively more intuitive and comprehensive understanding.

Same i got 20 hours in and dropped it because i couldn't vibe with anything in the game

I have never played a game that feels so aggressively mediocre.

sleek interface, killing to complete quests, tunnel game thought. Compare that to clunky fallout and I love this game at least it doesnt pretend theres something to do once you reach max level because only game that rewarded random exploration was morrowind- you could stumble on op hidden item randomly. So I prefer tunnel fallout than wannabe morrowind.

@@MrSp0iler People are too harsh on this game, in light of cyberpunks lack of rpg elements, ive been able to appreciate Outer Worlds' ability to roleplay and really make big/varied decisions and paths in every quest

The whole game just felt very luke-warm to me. It was like the game was giving me everything I ask for out of this sort of game, but was staring me in the eyes and saying, "This is what you want, right?!"

I thought about it and in general every single system is functional and adequate, but under scrutiny considering type of game, developer and few other things- most of them are very limited/ boring/ simple/ shallow/ barren or mix of above: streamlined hero equipment to helmet and suit, small (array of boring) items in general that start being repetitive 10min in, few items that serve puropse of building lore and atmosphere, not nearly enough special gear and armaments that discourages exploration, very weak weapon/armor modding system. Fighting system is functional, but combined with unrewarding exploration and few enemy types gameplay loop suffers greately. Sneaking is very simple. Same with complexity of combat encounters. Also- no good mod tools and no expansions on the horizon. It's a 30-40$ game at best. Not a bad start of a new series, but if they plan to make TOW2 it better be much expanded. They won't be able to ride New Vegas nostalgia 2nd time. One 100% run leaves people filled, and that is a big sin for a game like that. Personally I also won't go back, except for watching some different cutscenes on YT.

DanuelNue You have a great taste in music.

The saddest part is that in taking that centrist approach the writers were making a conscious decision to "lecture the players", as much as Boyarsky wanted to deny it. The idealist "it's not the firm that is the problem, it's just that the boss is bad!" that doesnt take aim at the mode of production itself is ideological and it is a lecture.

倪传历 sounds like you wanted the game to be communist

@ Are you saying that wouldn't be a great time?

@ Morally grey is a cop out word more often than not. Every story, despite how much players can inject themselves into, has a position in its politics. Many games claim to be morally grey and ended up just the developers trying to be amoral, like The Outer Worlds. But the game's position is fundamentally pro-capitalism and biased against alternatives because the writers already drank the neoliberal kool-aid. There's nothing morally grey. That's the writer carrying the truism of capitalism into the game world. All the outcome the game perceive as "good" is to preserve the system and tinker it to a direction the writer deems more humane. So yes. I want to be a commie and I did my best to be one in the game's system, but the game scolds me every time for trying.

@ OK, so we agree.

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The game is just boring and tiring, I’m only forcing myself to play so I can post a negative review about LOL

Disco Elysium and The Outer Worlds is a real The Prestige to the Illusionist. Came out around the same time, same general source material, but wildly different in the nuance. Replace this metaphor with No Strings Attached and Friends With Benefits if you want.

Staff come and go •) Chris Avellone -left during Pillars freelance now •) Eric Fernstermaker -left after Pillars 2 but had a freelance role at Obsidian now •) John Gonzalez -left after working on Honest Hearts DLC now working at Guerrilla Games Those three are the brain for the story and factions in New Vegas alongside Josh Sawyer now left the company.

Also important to comparison to FNV is the Bethesda factor. It turns out that half of the success of FNV is Bethesda. The bland and lazy parts of TOW are exactly what was in FNV already inherited from Fallout 3.

@@BoroMirraCz Bethesda? Lmao what a joke. Bethesda is the reason why NV isn't better than it is already. They only gave obsidian 18 months and they made a better game than Bethesda did in 4 years! If NV had a proper 2 or 3 year dev cycle it would be even more legendary.

Do you remember your character's name?

"mom, can i have futurame?" "we have futurama at home" futurama at home: outer worlds

thats the main issue with current crpgs. they all want to be baldurs gate or planescape torment but don't understand why they worked. so your better off just playing the classics then the newer games as they feel lessor by comparison. or atlest thats how i have felt about the genre since 2015.

Was just about to say, I've never played the game, but just watching the footage it looks very stiff and unsatisfying.

Ik Obsidian just does animations and such so stiff. I hope they get the kind of budget some day to finally do mocap

LeEdgyMemeKing for me it was the bland world and marvel humour. Also shitty characters.

Slo mo Gunslinger is the only fun build to make. Makes the game feel like you're playing red dead redemption call of juarez

@@MadIvano Good arguments.