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The OUTRAGEOUS Costs Of Owning a Private Jet... (Can We Still Afford It?) 

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It's finally time we discuss the REAL cost of owning a private jet. These video breaks down our first service bill with our Cessna Citation 501SP from an owner's perspective. Avionics upgrades, engine overhauls, scheduled maintenance, inspections, taxes, etc... Can we still afford to keep it? We bought this plane sight unseen in cash and flew it home 1,800 miles. There was some service drama that kept this plane held up for 5 months, but it's finally back and ready to hit the skies.
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@JRAviation
@JRAviation 8 месяцев назад
Trust me, DO NOT buy a cheap jet unless you know what you are getting into haha. I hope you enjoyed this real talk discussing the real numbers associated with our first "small" maintenance checkup. There are sooooo many other costs I didn't mention. Pilot salary, hangar rent, taxes, registration, landing fees, etc, etc... Subscribe for more jet videos!
@PauliesGotIt
@PauliesGotIt 8 месяцев назад
yeh i often wound about ongoing costs .. need to make a million a week profit i think :) just to make it worthy of owning, guess you can rent it out as a offset
@CheapSeats
@CheapSeats 8 месяцев назад
Panel, yes absolutely upgrade. Leather seats, no absolutely do NOT upgrade. That’s 30yr old ‘vintage’ leather now. Instead upgrade the amenities AROUND the seats. Nice modern wood paneling, custom ambient cabin lighting, upgraded electronics (audio/video), carpet. Upgrade everything around the seats but leave the seats as centerpieces like a nice classic barber chair in a modern barber shop you know?
@robi523
@robi523 8 месяцев назад
Be glad it's just a Citation.. imagine getting slapped with some GIV bills! One thing to look at as the engines gain hours would be a williams conversion!
@wayne9638
@wayne9638 8 месяцев назад
amazing, you really need big money, glass panel would be sensational
@mhughes1160
@mhughes1160 8 месяцев назад
The smart thing to do at this point Is sell it and get your money back while you still can. LoL 😂
@timhoman220
@timhoman220 7 месяцев назад
A shop who holds you plane for 3 months, then tells you, “we can’t work on it” deserves to have their name in this video.
@jimsteinway695
@jimsteinway695 7 месяцев назад
@@AnitaHandjobwHY? I worked at an FBO in college then as an engineer fir the Navy. A shop should know immediately if they do the work or not . Absolutely no reason for them to not notify the owner at the beginning that they can’t fit it in the schedule. Especially with time related issues. It’d be different if they took it in and there’s no part available but not knowing their own scheduling is ridiculous
@stephenreeves21
@stephenreeves21 7 месяцев назад
Agree!
@AnitaHandjob
@AnitaHandjob 7 месяцев назад
@@jimsteinway695 …..no
@KTLocsta
@KTLocsta 7 месяцев назад
@@AnitaHandjobcurious what does he not know? Find one shop owner who would say it’s ok to let it sit for 3 months to tell you, “Oh we can’t get to it for another 3 months?” Lmao. He’s inexperienced as well or he would have ask about this up front.
@richardbadish6990
@richardbadish6990 7 месяцев назад
​@@AnitaHandjobWhy you addressing him, and not the guy that made you look silly? Lmao! You comment on a lot of things, that you know. Little to nothing about! But comment like you do! Lmao Be humble, or get humbled!
@lorendjones
@lorendjones 8 месяцев назад
Jets definitely fall into the "If you have to ask, you can't afford it" category.
@boyracer3477
@boyracer3477 4 месяца назад
All the rich guys I have met in my very long aviation life always ask what things cost. That's how they got to be rich. In fact a very important thing I learned is that when they ask you a question, they often already know the answer. They're trying to find out what you know. If JR had asked smart questions from smart people he wouldn't have made is biggest mistake.
@Asteroid_Jam
@Asteroid_Jam 3 месяца назад
@@boyracer3477keyword is "have" not want, rich people want to know the cost not that they have to know the cost, unlike someone on a budget or with a limited amount of money
@davidmartin1012
@davidmartin1012 25 дней назад
This is the same reason, apparently, that Rolls Royce never publish the fuel consumption stats for their cars. 🙂
@marshallmurrell4583
@marshallmurrell4583 7 месяцев назад
During my practice, I had several clients who were bitten by the private jet bug. Only one of them could really afford it. He was the sole owner of a company doing about $500MM in annual sales. The rest came to the same realization to which you have come. If it isn't making money for you, you should not buy it. It is a luxury which few can afford.
@plektosgaming
@plektosgaming 5 месяцев назад
Yep. The costs of even a multi-engine turbo-prop of essentially the same type and size aircraft are a fraction as much. Jets are just loopy bizarro-world expensive.
@bobrae5484
@bobrae5484 5 месяцев назад
$500MM but what was his bottom line?
@plektosgaming
@plektosgaming 5 месяцев назад
@@bobrae5484 Typically business jets for corporate use require about 2-3 million a year to run including hiring pilots, fuel, and so on. Plus whatever you are paying to finance the thing. Really kind of stupid money versus just flying first class all the time, especially on some of the more luxurious carriers.
@user-wv5dz7hr6f
@user-wv5dz7hr6f 5 месяцев назад
A jet is a tool, not a toy that you can afford. The cost of maintenance, insurance, training will kill you financially. Finally, you will ask why nobody wants to buy your jet? I hope you exit without too much pain.
@guitar911rock
@guitar911rock 4 месяца назад
or you can rent it :)
@stephenlasko
@stephenlasko 5 месяцев назад
That’s not that bad. I just finished a $105,000 panel job on a Cessna 340. that took 1.5 years. 2022 annual was $27,000, flew the airplane to the avionics shop, they took their sweet time, airplane went out of annual. Had to get an annual done on the field it was at. Just got the bill - $38,000 and most of the items found were due to sitting for 1.5 yrs. Welcome to aviation
@hekterr6677
@hekterr6677 8 месяцев назад
Tremendous life experiences don’t have to be permanent lifestyles! The two happiest days of an aircraft owner, the day he buys it and the day he sells it.
@westsparks6844
@westsparks6844 8 месяцев назад
I was told the same about a boat. Was always told to never buy a boat, but be best friends with someone that owns one
@EpicAviation175
@EpicAviation175 8 месяцев назад
@@westsparks6844I think the original quote was about a boat 😂
@JimBronson
@JimBronson 8 месяцев назад
@@EpicAviation175 the one I've always heard is that if it flies, floats or f***s, you should rent it.
@bodyloverz30
@bodyloverz30 7 месяцев назад
Same thing as a boat owner!
@GulfCoastTim
@GulfCoastTim 7 месяцев назад
I can tell you from experience, the same stands true for a boat.
@letsfly72x
@letsfly72x 8 месяцев назад
Actually, not as bad as I was thinking it would be. I once got hosed on an annual inspection on my piston plane for $21,000.00
@dancablam
@dancablam 8 месяцев назад
Same. I've spent >25k for my piston annuals the last two years. Cylinder overhauls, new turbos, etc. Adds up quick.
@YouShouldMarriedBetter
@YouShouldMarriedBetter 6 месяцев назад
I loved this guy in “saved by the bell.”
@pitolove3846
@pitolove3846 3 месяца назад
That's not him... Could br family though...
@michaelb.42112
@michaelb.42112 2 месяца назад
Screech !
@TheDuke78
@TheDuke78 2 месяца назад
I kept wondering why I thought he looked so familiar. That's crazy how much he really looks like him. 😂
@ImTimT.
@ImTimT. 2 месяца назад
I was trying to remember where I saw him lol
@jippysquirmwood4566
@jippysquirmwood4566 2 месяца назад
Was looking for this comment
@danielrioux6410
@danielrioux6410 6 месяцев назад
Honestly, that rvsm recertification price is more then double what we charge. Another thing, one of my customers rolls Cessna CJ's on inspections like hot cakes and turns them all within a couple weeks on average. Very skilled Cessna guys. If you're interested in flying to Toronto Canada for your next one, hit me up!
@tafaragadze6432
@tafaragadze6432 Месяц назад
I'm considering buying, what's the name of your shop?
@Xy11212
@Xy11212 8 месяцев назад
Is it just me or was anyone else expecting over $100,000
@blackrifle6736
@blackrifle6736 8 месяцев назад
*On a 25 year old jet? Yep.*
@dabneyoffermein595
@dabneyoffermein595 8 месяцев назад
what was the total?
@blackrifle6736
@blackrifle6736 8 месяцев назад
@@dabneyoffermein595 *Watch this again. JR clearly, unequivocally and to the penny answered your question. Cheers!*
@gregoryschmidt1233
@gregoryschmidt1233 7 месяцев назад
same
@Xy11212
@Xy11212 7 месяцев назад
@@dabneyoffermein595 $28,000 probably lost couple grand not being able to fly it but still
@johnflaherty9595
@johnflaherty9595 6 месяцев назад
I will recommend you keep the panel you have. Keeping in mind I have maybe all of 60 hours or so total; I did not pursue flying much farther because the cost of training had already been quite high for my budget. I may eventually get back to flying; I'm planning on buying another computer for a flight simulator. I have long had a beef with all-glass cockpits: It's an electronic gadget, it can fail. It can fail at the worst possible time. I think it great to have a moving map display that also includes other functions, keep it in the middle or to the right in the cockpit. You still want to have your steam gauges in front of the pilot. They're not going to go blank if a computer chip has a problem. I think there's another reason you see very few videos done about privately-owned jets: Most privately-owned jets ...exist for routine corporate travel. They're only "privately-owned" insofar as not intended for commercial airline or charter flight use. They're quite expensive, true, yet the corporation doesn't mind the expense (as much) because they allow corporate leadership to move about without the hassles of airline schedules and security checks. Such jets also can often use smaller airports, so might come closer to actual operating locations. Very few videos exist because most corporations have little interest in telling the world about how much they spend for travel....
@genetemplet7022
@genetemplet7022 3 месяца назад
Current Panel looks great. I don't like all the flat panels.... I"m old school. LOL
@walterthorne4819
@walterthorne4819 5 месяцев назад
Multiple aircraft owner here….I’ve owned 2 Beechcraft Twin Bonanzas: D50 Sweringen and G 50 (IGSO 480 powered), a Beechcraft Queen Air, and a Bellanca Super Vikings. Always found maintenance to be surprisingly expensive. Looking back at my life…. aircraft ownership and flying were very rewarding. Rule #1 Always buy the best example you can afford and seriously consider purchasing examples that are the most popular as this will insure a more successful buyer pool when your bird gets too expensive to maintain. SAFE FLYING
@cameronh5442
@cameronh5442 8 месяцев назад
I used to work on these as a mechanic. The labor rate per hour is usually cheaper compared to automotive maintenance. It's normally the parts that get you.
@alexnutcasio936
@alexnutcasio936 5 месяцев назад
I dunno, a Lexus oil change is $100 for up to 8 qts of Syn and a filter.
@Ivansgarage
@Ivansgarage 5 месяцев назад
And we both know they never mark up parts? maybe a little, 500%...
@bobbowie5334
@bobbowie5334 4 месяца назад
Bring your own.
@stoneyislandranch9783
@stoneyislandranch9783 4 месяца назад
Yes a screw can cost $100
@ryanwiler4808
@ryanwiler4808 8 месяцев назад
Wasn't nearly as expensive as I had anticipated. Especially given that half of it was a once in a 25 year issue. Considering that a new equivalent would be around $5M, your shop visit cost around a half percent of its new cost. Not bad!
@magnetospin
@magnetospin 7 месяцев назад
Exactly, it only seem expensive in the context of the $50,000 that he you paid for it. If it were a new jet costing millions, the maintenance would seem much more reasonable.
@Naija4K
@Naija4K 7 месяцев назад
The fuel for flying that thing for 12 hours is about that amount. He need to Stop whining like a punk B!
@butch3715
@butch3715 5 месяцев назад
I'm not sure what you were expecting the upkeep of your personal jet to be, but to be honest I was surprised your first service was only $27k. As you may know, come engine overhaul time, it'll be around $100k (each). But if you can justify the costs, more power to you.
@user-yx8ou4mb5z
@user-yx8ou4mb5z 21 день назад
Clearly you have never overhauled a turbine.
@richvandervecken3954
@richvandervecken3954 5 месяцев назад
I new a guy back in the 1980's who was a Learjet mechanic in the Air Force, who planed on doing the same thing as a civilian, and I am surprised your cost are that low to be honest. It was informative watching the video and I wish you great success with your new used aircraft.
@mcsvls
@mcsvls 7 месяцев назад
Most private jets are 2% of original purchase price (not used price) per year to maintain, that is why they are usually connected to a revenue stream or generate a revenue stream. Most yachts are 10% of purchase price per year, 15% the first year.
@SauloMogi
@SauloMogi 7 месяцев назад
Not even close.
@Coldgecko
@Coldgecko 6 месяцев назад
Former large yacht owner... 10%-15% is correct - around $500k+++ per year on the very low end for a 100'+. Captain alone is $125k. Mate or two or more, chef/steward, fuel, maintenance annually, flag, dockage, insurance, power .... If you cant afford it... Then you deserve the sticker shock and should get out -- and should have your head examined that you didn't do the research on the front end. I got bored with it but the costs were not a shock.
@kwittnebel
@kwittnebel 6 месяцев назад
@@ColdgeckoYes a crewed yacht is worse without a business angle. Even though this guy is posting the cost (very reasonable in my view) he is not reporting 100% bonus depreciation and what that did to his tax bill, or that he likely wrote this whole annual bill off as a business expense for his channel, saving maybe 30%. The idea that running cost could far exceed the purchase price tells you why it was so cheap to purchase. The Williams upgrade is going to set him back quite a lot; better sell a lot of advertising with these vids…
@FUBBA
@FUBBA 3 месяца назад
Most people even multi billionaires charter everything they own unless you're Tom Cruise or John Travolta or something and just do it for fun and treat it like a house.
@b.s.457
@b.s.457 2 месяца назад
I am owner of a yacht.... 🙄😁
@rolandmorales7609
@rolandmorales7609 8 месяцев назад
Not bad at all for your 1st maintenance. I was expecting 150k on the low side 300k mid and 600k+ on the high side. Anything below 80k maintenance/parts is a relief in this world.
@mykalhenry
@mykalhenry 8 месяцев назад
I swore it would be six figures. I would just die if they told me major engine problems.
@SF-fb6lv
@SF-fb6lv 7 месяцев назад
Exactly my thoughts '$150,000'...
@sssturges
@sssturges 7 месяцев назад
got off way easy!
@epi2045
@epi2045 4 месяца назад
Yup I agree. Plus these costs are pretty standard and not a surprise. Not sure why he was surprised. Googling for 15 minutes would give anyone a sense of cost. My Ferrari at 17K miles with everything working fantastic… the maintenance was $14,800.
@jamesaron1590
@jamesaron1590 7 месяцев назад
After timing out an inspection, you probably could have gotten a Ferry Permit to relocate to a more cooperative FBO. Happens all the time. Would need the help of an IA (and helps to make friends with the local FSDO), but at least you would not be held hostage to a particular airfield. Panel and interior upgrades? I'd wait for a panel upgrade until you have to replace a gyro or similar. Instead of spending $10k to replace old broken components, do the upgrade then. It can take time to get it scheduled, so it may mean the jet just sits again. You'll get more reliability out of a digital panel, but you won't improve the resale value by a similar amount. If you plan to resell the jet in the near future...avoid upgrades.
@martoin5
@martoin5 4 месяца назад
Honestly it came out cheap! Jets are expensive, not only to buy but to maintain. Bless up! Great content!
@lear1980
@lear1980 7 месяцев назад
I've worked for Learjet for nearly 44 years, 35 of that in material control handling parts. I've seen invoices for everything from rivets to engines over the years. The running gag all that time was that we were working the wrong end of the business. Just wait until the gear needs an overhaul. That's a good chunk of change too.
@whatroads4x4
@whatroads4x4 7 месяцев назад
Yea lol...we should be in the parts industry. The cost for a lightbulb!
@jamesgermain8466
@jamesgermain8466 5 месяцев назад
Imagine if the compressor rotors go or his N2 turbine rotor....I know on PT6A -20's one of those is around $38,000 just for the part lol
@76Draeger
@76Draeger 8 месяцев назад
I'm the proud owner of a 1978 501SP that I purchased after selling my ,1979. I'm a pilot and fly my own which is a main reason I love my Citation. My personal annual budget with my engines on a manufacturer plan(and I budget fuel by the trip not in a lump of estimated hours) is approximately $200,000/yr. I'm just shy of 6'6" talk and have no trouble getting into the cockpit and find it quite comfortable. Love the video and my opinion on why there aren't more private jet owners doing videos about cost etc is if they're like me it's because my money and expenses are my business etc or because the majority are fractional owners instead of sole owners. That's my theory anyways
@ryanthomas2472
@ryanthomas2472 8 месяцев назад
Yep, I've run into quite a few guys like you flying older Citations. Most are happy to answer some questions about operating costs, but they're not posting youtube videos about it because it involves their personal finances. Haven't met any under age 50, so it's probably generational too. Older people aren't posting nearly as much private stuff online as the 20 year olds. Self-flying makes a huge difference. There are tons of commercial 501 pilots out there, but it's not the most convenient thing to hire them trip by trip, and not worth having a full time pilot to fly only 50 hours a year. Charter isn't worth it either. I don't enjoy flying jets that much and I wouldn't fly one enough to stay proficient, so I just take a little longer to get where I'm going. I like flying, so no big hurry.
@clifbradley
@clifbradley 7 месяцев назад
You also aren't prone to being overly dramatic and lying. You are probably new to JR and his antics. Back when he was first doing car stuff, his brother were running crypto scams and using his gullible most,y teenage audience to fund their scams. Then as things began to come out, his brothers bailed and tried saying that they were clueless and had no idea what they were doing. Some jail time happened with his brothers, he was also called out for faking his videos a lot. This videos are out there and you can find them. Then a few years later his friend was killed in a car crash. They wasted no time monetizing that death to the maximum amount as could be. Then claimed that they were doing it to raise money to help the families. That was a lie and they were sued for it. Then they were breaking down Porsche 928 and 944 cars and went on VinWiki clai ING the seats were worth way more than the cars by like 100 times. This lead to people buying the seats out of junkyards and from Copart auctions only to find out, it was certain seats that had very specific designs on them and the pictures shown in B roll, were not the seats they were talking about. So people got angry about that and he did provide the B roll but claimed he didn't know. He just has a history of embellishments, lying, making stuff up and overly dramatized content. He did go on a redemption arc so to speak and got better about his car content. That led to more creators actually working with him and kind of redeeming him in the automotive RU-vidr space, but if you asked 25 people over the age of 30 who have watched automotive RU-vidrs for a while who the most clickbait channels would be, them and DDE would come out as the top.
@76Draeger
@76Draeger 7 месяцев назад
I'm in my 40's now but while earning my private I washed planes and befriended the owner of a 501SP so started learning the airplane at a young age and without cost. I fly a lot as a professional musician so the convenience and cost of owning and flying my own are a huge savings over all in cost and time.
@76Draeger
@76Draeger 7 месяцев назад
Oh and if you want a great place to get your 501 serviced, the place I get sinister all of mine done at is Jet Air 275 Lloyd Stearman Dr, Galesburg, IL 61401. I've never had any issues with them and find they are great at ditching inexpensive hard to find parts
@76Draeger
@76Draeger 7 месяцев назад
Not sinister but the place I get almost all of my work done at. Lol
@pfifla1
@pfifla1 6 месяцев назад
All I can say is thank you for this. Got this dream out of my system for now.
@user-ww5oc9bh1e
@user-ww5oc9bh1e 5 месяцев назад
Well done for giving your dream a go. So many people are scared to face a risk and get nowhere as a result. As a military pilot I know the risks but never felt the cost. I will however look into owning a helicopter and I imagine the cost of ownership will be eye watering on another level.
@SMcda
@SMcda 8 месяцев назад
Outstanding video, i have owned 14 planes. 2 turbines but no jets, i feel your pain. Find a good shop, stick with them, bring them beers, bring them donuts treat them well. They are not printing 501 mechanics anymore. Keep flying
@wb6anp
@wb6anp 8 месяцев назад
If you dont already have them get some engine intake/ exhaust covers or plugs, keeps birds or bug from building nests in the engines, Also keeps the fan from spinning in the winds when the bearings are some what dry on lubrication.
@camgamer143
@camgamer143 8 месяцев назад
Was gonna say, is it supposed to be making that clacking noise?
@cosnowboarder777
@cosnowboarder777 8 месяцев назад
All turbofan engines do that. The blades are loose and stretch through centrifugal force.
@wb6anp
@wb6anp 8 месяцев назад
@@camgamer143 As cosnowborder777 said, yes the fans blades are loose till they spin under power and heat,
@bizjetfixr8352
@bizjetfixr8352 5 месяцев назад
The plugs are a good idea, but the bearings on the fan shaft are the only thing spinning on a JT15D With normal winds, the bearings don't run "dry". When the core (N2) quits turning, the scavenge side of the pump stops extracting the oil from the bearings. 2380, Jet II, and Mobil 254 is pretty good stuff
@jeremyscott6920
@jeremyscott6920 7 месяцев назад
Hey, your video is an eye opening. Really enjoyed it. Great video for an A&P like me.
@chancesr7343
@chancesr7343 7 месяцев назад
I am glad you are capable and able to buying a plane and keep it up …. Kudos to you … thank you for the information education and detail …. Have a safe flight ✈️ every time you are on it
@scottiencali
@scottiencali 8 месяцев назад
The fact you have like 8 porsches,a lambo, 3 ferraris and like 12 other super cars, not to mention other businesses and investements and youtube channels..affordability of the jet wasnt really to much of a concern. Love the fact we can learn about it and whats involved.. thanks!!
@reason6835
@reason6835 8 месяцев назад
For real. It’s hard to feel sorry for this guy.
@dabneyoffermein595
@dabneyoffermein595 8 месяцев назад
@@reason6835 does he really have 8 porches.....(with or without swings?)
@reason6835
@reason6835 8 месяцев назад
@@dabneyoffermein595: I’d be willing to bet that he has at least 8 porches. (And at least 2 of them have swings).
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 7 месяцев назад
@@dabneyoffermein595 (edited) Ha, ha, thanks for the laugh.
@6582rg
@6582rg 7 месяцев назад
He also bought his better half a plane. I just can't feel sorry for this guy.
@allanjensen1195
@allanjensen1195 8 месяцев назад
I know the prices seem shocking, but considering the factors of precision/safety and also of economies of scale (how many gear extension nitrogen bottles for a Citation 501 do you think the factory needs to produce?), I'd say $27K was a pretty reasonable price, ESPECIALLY when you consider from the shop's perspective they got your bird in right away, and all the hustling they did for you. I used to fly the C-130 Hercules, and $27K bought one-quarter of a propeller blade.
@meowmeow2759
@meowmeow2759 8 месяцев назад
That's military though. Companies take a civi part and multiply it times 10.
@meowmeow2759
@meowmeow2759 8 месяцев назад
Also lul on quality. My old company had so many quality issues, and hired unqualified people for 14 dollars an hour making hydraulic parts for airliners, and even hired a meth head once to make parts. (she passed the drug test but was methed up every day before she got fired for causing drama)
@jfbeam
@jfbeam 6 месяцев назад
It's not so much a matter of precision or safety, but _liability._ If a part fails, it's your ass!
@james-p
@james-p 6 месяцев назад
Yeah, I went to a place that built rotor blades for big helicopters like that (I don't recall which exact model it was), near Los Angeles. They're essentially hand-made, and to very tight tolerances, and with some pretty cool materials. I was watching them lay one up and I asked how much one cost - $80K. And that was years ago. And each helicopter needed 4 of them. And as I'm sure you know... they don't last forever.
@weeooh1
@weeooh1 4 месяца назад
I'd rather fly with peace of mind in 1st class in passenger jet. Much more relaxing with none of the headaches of private jet ownership.
@minnesnowtan9970
@minnesnowtan9970 Месяц назад
Thank you for posting this all, you help me and many others understand what it takes to power dreams.
@rp1645
@rp1645 6 месяцев назад
Thank you for talking about costs 😊😊❤ I personally Love your up front tell NO Lies. The same with me on BUYING an old Fire Engine ( 1971 SeaGrave 750 gallon water tank) when I had DOT inspection there were cost invalid. Then Transmission problems. Multiple TOWS to repair shop. But at end of the day. The big SMILE get from kids and parents with kids getting in cab, being able to move around the whole front cab, unlike modern FD engine that have engine blocking the cab. I love going through the old girl, fixing wiring issues. Being able to do quick chage out of Light Bars. Adding electronic Sirens. It only had the BIG Federal "Q" on nose, when I got her. You can even stand up inside Pump area underneath to understand what the plumbing is like. The water Tank doesn't LEAK.
@JRGarage
@JRGarage 8 месяцев назад
Here before all the “I knew you couldn’t afford it” comments 😂
@CptJake07
@CptJake07 8 месяцев назад
bro really just commented on his own video on his second channel 💀
@alcameron6071
@alcameron6071 8 месяцев назад
@@CptJake07 yeah no shit. Talk about fishing for comments. No wonder this guy can’t wear A hat. His head is too full of himself and probably couldn’t find a size 40 extra large, lol
@pumarolz
@pumarolz 7 месяцев назад
BROOO LMFAO
@boyracer3477
@boyracer3477 4 месяца назад
Why are you feeling so superior? They were right.
@frak357
@frak357 7 месяцев назад
All those upcoming maintenance issues was why they sold the jet for a discounts. However, it is really cool to see the actual ownership experience.
@thecomet3522
@thecomet3522 4 месяца назад
Best most honest clip I have ever seen on U tube .Thanks buddy . Very entertaining Glad it ain't my money
@sl-usa-lions6526
@sl-usa-lions6526 5 месяцев назад
Keep on going Jeffrey. Happy New Year to y'all 🙏🙏
@matsfreedom
@matsfreedom 7 месяцев назад
I've owned two aircraft. The most expensive was a 1949 Cessna 140, at $20K. The least expensive was a homebuilt biplane of my own making, which cost me about $8K. I won first place at my local EAA annual fly with that little rocket. The plane still flies today, 23 years later. Perhaps a jet is in my future ;-).
@cwalke32477
@cwalke32477 5 месяцев назад
I too, went experimental with a Minimax. All wood airplane, so easy enough to maintain and repair right in the garage
@ericmars7192
@ericmars7192 7 месяцев назад
The insane costs of aviation parts might make one assume that the manufacturers are swimming in profits, but in fact, according to GAMA, most of them are actually struggling to stay in business. I guess this has to do with low demand (diseconomies of scale) since not many people buy these parts, and the costs associated with R&D as well as airworthiness certification.
@WesNorthOf45
@WesNorthOf45 7 месяцев назад
And Lawyers.
@bizjetfixr8352
@bizjetfixr8352 5 месяцев назад
A lot of the vendors that made parts for there jets have been pushing up daisies for fifteen years. Add to that the problems getting parts for these old units. Got an old Honeywell TV type display? Good luck getting one. Parts to fix CRTs went away five years ago. Honeywell is buying old units, and cannibalizing parts. Even then, last time I priced one, they were $18k. Your only other options are: - Buy an "as removed" unit, hope it has traceability. Usually a 30 day warranty. Or, - Buy the "plug and play" STC that Duncan and others sell. Replaces the CRT with an LED display that just plugs in. If you are budget limited, you can replace them as they fail. Price? Last I checked, $50k plus per display.
@psycotria
@psycotria 5 месяцев назад
I worked part time in a paint and interior shop 25 years ago. We were getting up to $20,000 per seat to refurbish (not remanufacture) them to like new. We even color-matched the screw heads to the interior color with Imron paint.
@tedstriker754
@tedstriker754 7 месяцев назад
I'd be fine with the steam gauges. I flew both on the airlines and the best part of the glass was the map. The attitude indicator, and the other flight instruments I never found any advantage of the glass over the steam gauges. And the vertical tape altimeter, airspeed and VSI lacks the clock position. Which requires more intense interpretation. For takeoff and climb we'd set power with N1 or EPR. But for maneuvering we'd use fuel flow. With glass it was reverted to little digital numbers that were hard to see. I remember thinking "how is this an improvement?". I've also taken off and had both the capt. and F/O's screens go black. With just FMC FAIL displayed. They came back shortly after, but when you lose the screen you lose it all. I can think of a lot of other things to use that money for, like fuel and maintenance.
@bobmcgehee1749
@bobmcgehee1749 8 месяцев назад
The SP I flew back in the day was 82k for a Phase, and some minor upgrades. No glass please, you will exceed the value of the plane. Also the interior looks good. Pick your battles.
@ivantcherniaev7548
@ivantcherniaev7548 8 месяцев назад
At this point what you should do is figure out end-of-life plan. Let's say you want to get 3 more years out of it and another 500 hours. Now, figure out hourly cost for each upgrade. For example, interior at 50k total will cost you $100 per hour. Keep in mind that your resale value will not change much no matter how much money you invest. It will all be sunk cost. It is possible that at the end of 3 years you will have to sell it for scrap anyway, depending on what major repairs will be required.
@MrHandsomeferny
@MrHandsomeferny 4 месяца назад
Thanks for sharing man!
@davidgracey5025
@davidgracey5025 6 месяцев назад
Sorry for your pain! Truly, thank you for this information.
@Publicattoddheffley
@Publicattoddheffley 7 месяцев назад
First of all, congradulations stepping up to a jet! Big adventure! I service jets from this catagory, up to old G-IV, G-IV, Falcon 900 and so forth. You are absolutly , totally responsible for not educating yourself first. You are the owner that we mechanics giggle about. That said, it sounds like the 3rd shop shot you a pretty fair deal. We get experience when we dont get what we want. You now have experience. You might conssider a independant mechanic that will lay out a resonable 5 year maintenance guestimate. Kilobuck or 3. This will help you identify "airplane killers" like life limited parts, major engine work, etcetera. As soon as someone mentions part 135 (or part 134 and 1/2)......... RUN!!!!!!! BLESSINGS! You are on a great learning curve! Todd
@dusk2dawn2
@dusk2dawn2 6 месяцев назад
Well spoken! Hillarious lack of experiece.
@aztomt406
@aztomt406 7 месяцев назад
I owned a 1976 B55 Baron back in 1985. It was low time, and in pristine condition. The annual inspection still cost me (Beechcraft West) $9,000 which would be about $90,000 today. Airplanes are just plain expensive.
@angels77c
@angels77c Месяц назад
if your in USA, then you should try here in Australia, we are on the other side of the world, prices are a lot more... well done for getting yourself a nice private jet, it looks really nice. Enjoy flying, and safe travels.
@keithstrickland6311
@keithstrickland6311 27 дней назад
Freedom is priceless. You made a great purchase. The entire reason why you work so hard is so you can do things like this. Keep working hard, and keep enjoying your life. You’ll make it back.
@pppeeettteeerrr
@pppeeettteeerrr 8 месяцев назад
Even if it costs $200-300k a year for fixed/variable costs on 100ish hours of flying, the cost of money (interest) alone on a newer jet in low 7 figure range can easily surpass that. Amortization is your friend, dont think about the "cash" hit. That $10k bottle is basically a $1k/yr expense.
@SusheePerumal
@SusheePerumal 7 месяцев назад
Great point. No one ever thinks of amortization and the cost of money (interest; and even if you have the moeny alternative uses for the money.)
@larryweitzman5163
@larryweitzman5163 8 месяцев назад
Jeff, As an old time pilot who flies on the cheap, leave the interior and panel. Here's why. First my example. I fly a 1975 V35B with the original King KX-170/175B radio and a KMA-20 audio panel which are probably older than your father and they work great. The only two modern things on the panel is the JP!-830 and the GTX 345 xpdr. No issues. My GPS is Adventure Pilot iFly on an iPad4+ I bought refurbed for $270. Works perfect. And I hand fly 3, 31/2 hour trips all the time. No a/p. In the Baron I used the a/p sparingly. I don't fly too much IFR anymore, I don't like the stress, but in the Baron I talk about, I did recurrency training once a year. My bird before that was the B58TC with a King/Collins stack also no issues in over a thousand hours and I fly approaches down to 300 feet perfectly, all hand flown even though I had a KFC200 FD. I did install a KLN94. It was also a FIKI certified but never turned on the system. Six packs work great as do ILS and GPS RNAV approaches which you have. I knew a guy who had a glass cockpit and he spent too much time with his head in the cockpit. Not enough outside scan and not enough hand flying. He isn't here anymore destroying a beautiful M20J in the process. He was always fiddleing with the avionics. Glass panels suffer from buttonology and to much info, reduce scan rates and cause target fixation. My opinion. I am a West Coast pilot but have flown all over the country and OSH at least 15 times. We don't have East Coast weather. Rule 1: Don't fix what isn't broken. You'll end up with more problems. As to the interior, it's nice and looks great. It's leather, it's a nice brown and it sits well. See Rule 1. 45 or so years ago I owned and operated with my bro three Viscounts VC-745d's flying entertainers (I was young like you are now). We did great running a safe but slender operation. 100% dispatch reliability. Leave the Avionics and interior alone unless there are huge issues. See Rule 1. We even left the avionics alone in the Viscounts, old but solid Collins 618M-1s and PN101s. 100 % reliability. again, see Rule 1. Oh, and as I commented before, you guys flew great, both of you. You both have it. Continue on. I've flown an SR-22 a few hours and the Bonanzas fly better. The only thing better is a P-51 and T-28 both of which I have flown as well.
@JRAviation
@JRAviation 8 месяцев назад
Wow holy smokes! That’s for the detailed insightful comment. Crazy you flew a P51!!
@larryweitzman5163
@larryweitzman5163 8 месяцев назад
@@JRAviation Misfit (Bill Rheinschilds bird at the time) out of VNY about 30 years ago. I flew for an hour or so for a $100 (gas money). I flew with Kevin LaRosa, not KRII but his dad, who ran West Coast Helos, also a movie pilot as his son is. So we took off (I had about 1,500 hours at the time mostly in a T210 and we flew off over to the Malibu Coast, right off the colony. We got done to 15 feet a quarter mile off shore at 300 kts and behind us was a 15-20 foot rooster tail trailing us for about 100-150 yeads, like an unlimited hydroplane. UNBELIEVABLE. Then I pull straight up, pulling about 1,200 hp for about 4,000 feet, level off and do some airwork and stuff, I didn't do the landing. You think, and the P-51 does it. When I flew a T-28, it was as easy to fly as the Banana with perfect control and intuitive response in pitch, yaw and roll. I almost bought that airplane but made a smarter choice in the Baron 58TC. And the Baron was almost as fast in cruise about 205-210 kts TAS (168 IAS) at 12--14,000' 62% and 32/gph. In my current V35B, I get 148 kts IAS, 176 TAS at 20X2,400 on 12.5 gph at 11,500.' Hard to beat that. The T-28 is about 225-230 kts on about 50-60 gph.
@blackrifle6736
@blackrifle6736 8 месяцев назад
*P-51: Bud Maytag is looking down and smiling at you. Cheers!*
@walterthorne4819
@walterthorne4819 7 месяцев назад
Agree old stuff can be great …had PN 101 for over 10 years…100% reliable!
@larryweitzman5163
@larryweitzman5163 7 месяцев назад
@@walterthorne4819 In what?
@boyracer3477
@boyracer3477 4 месяца назад
I had three Citations (well I flew and managed them) over the years. I always used a Citation Service Center. These inspections should have taken 3 days, maybe 6 if something was found. That being said, their customer service did begin to fail towards the end of my career. But they still would have all of that done in a week.
@davidssunstar
@davidssunstar 7 месяцев назад
This was a great video..Thank you
@5xls
@5xls 8 месяцев назад
I remember buying 2 bleed off valve controllers for our Citation Encore. They arrived in a single Cool Whip container. $42,000.
@hunterdavis2833
@hunterdavis2833 7 месяцев назад
YIKES!!!! I get how important that part is and how specialized the manufacturing process is, but $42,000?? Then again can’t say it completely surprises me. I once talked to an aircraft detailer/cleaner that accidentally slipped down the steps of a Falcon 2000. He grabbed the hand rail and bent it. $23,000 for what seems like one of the simpler parts of the plane.
@ADAPTATION7
@ADAPTATION7 7 месяцев назад
That's one expensive cool whip container.
@5xls
@5xls 7 месяцев назад
@@ADAPTATION7 Well, in all fairness I guess there was 10¢ of bubble wrap too! 😁
@kylertinkler1860
@kylertinkler1860 7 месяцев назад
@@hunterdavis2833you can thank the FAA for requiring literally everything to be approved which makes every thing on a plane go through the roof.
@johnmcdonald1948
@johnmcdonald1948 7 месяцев назад
I always say...the get- in price of an airplane is something, the stay- in price is something else. I upgraded and modified a Twin Commander nose to tail, flew it for a dozen years.. Luckily my wife hasn't yet seen the bills I accrued. Plane ownership is like operating a side business, and there's always some squawk needing attention. Complex aircraft ownership isn't for the faint of heart and makes little financial sense. The experience is priceless, however, and for everything else there is Master Card.
@kbuss10
@kbuss10 7 месяцев назад
can you give any info why they couldnt just made that bottle to spec at a company that specializes in pressure vessels? what kind of bottle is that? how many bars? or some special weld or what? alsom im just an enthusiast but i saw the garmin instrument prices theyre just insane... and everything is extra, for every option you need to pay a lot of extra money
@Melanie16040
@Melanie16040 7 месяцев назад
@@kbuss10 Aircraft parts have paperwork that follows them through their life. Parts need to be made by manufacturers certified to various standards. An authorized manufacturer is able to certify the parts they produce meet the required standards and provide paperwork showing the same to follow the part through it's life. Your general pressure vessel company is not up to those standards. Those that are, are able to charge $10k for a small cylinder.
@kbuss10
@kbuss10 7 месяцев назад
@@Melanie16040 you think a company who makes canisters for saturation diving, oil industry, gas transport, dangerous chemicals etc is not up to the standard? pressure rating, material quality, fatigue etc is well understood thruout the metal industry. what you write sounds a scheme to me...
@a320nick
@a320nick 6 месяцев назад
Well it is a scheme, as you say, the standards are stipulated y whatever aviation authority or administration inspects your aircraft and the parts, all numbered have to be approved and registered, if the aircraft has an adequately good part from the diving industry say, then the aircraft would be grounded if it was not an authority or administration approved part also the insurance on the aircraft would be invalid for the same reason it's a pain in the wallet unless you employ your own certified aircraft engineer who is also a chief engineer.
@ZackScriven
@ZackScriven 5 месяцев назад
@@a320nicksounds like a racket
@pumpkindog1
@pumpkindog1 7 месяцев назад
I bought a Twin Commander once and on the forum there was a guy who said one of the most expensive airplanes you can get is a free one. I suspect the guy who sold that one to you is still doing the happy dance.
@fgb3126
@fgb3126 Месяц назад
Yeah read my 'fool - Greater Fool' post.
@jamesbooth3360
@jamesbooth3360 Месяц назад
Shop for a shop and get a ferry permit. Been there done that on the pressure bottle date. $11k for an annual isn't so bad. It's not Jets, it's AIRPLANES! My Dad use to tell me, "The cheapest thing you will put in an airplane is gas."
@shakey2634
@shakey2634 8 месяцев назад
Used to fly a 501SP. Great little jet! You are proving the old adage…”the cheapest (fill in the blank) will always turn out to be the most expensive”
@vandalsgarage
@vandalsgarage 8 месяцев назад
I've never owned an airplane, but I did have a 55 ft Hatteras sportfisher. Similar thing, the maintenance soon outstrips the purchase cost. I'd never own another one, its far cheaper to charter.
@moseskelly2886
@moseskelly2886 6 месяцев назад
I'm very very very very VERY thankful, appreciative, happy, and excited for all of this absolutely incredible information. I will most definitely be taking this information seriously as I will also need this in the future. We have to seriously meet up eventually. I love hearing how you share your experience along with how you are feeling about dealing with the jets expenses. It gives me a very realistic look at how things go. You are doing a FANTASTIC job.💯 (In the third person) do I think that y'all should reach out and look into getting glass panels installed in the jet..........what will I say.......YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! That was extremely hilarious at 18:18 of the video Jeffrey, you said "What the heck is that?!" "It's so loud!!" LOL 😆 🤣 😂 😹 You know the interior looks amazing, however I have a good feeling that you can find some cool designs.
@MajorCaliber
@MajorCaliber 5 месяцев назад
"Don't even get me started on _______ " Boat/ship owners had a couple -centuries- millennia head start on that famous line. Still hilarious after all these years! 🤣🤣🤣
@neilcharlton
@neilcharlton 8 месяцев назад
I own a jet provost. Keeping these things flying is a constant struggle! Good luck.
@thomassaunders6494
@thomassaunders6494 8 месяцев назад
That's a proper aeroplane. Seen a few at Airshows, they look good fun to fly. 😎
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 7 месяцев назад
Funny enough, I was going to comment, 'buy a Jet Provost' thinking it would be the cheapest way to fly jets... So, I'm wrong but they are so beautiful. Big karma to you Neil. Enjoy it.
@studlyhungwell5740
@studlyhungwell5740 7 месяцев назад
I fly a Citation X, for a private Jet charter company, and those X's are ALWAYS down for maintenance!! Don't even think of owning a private Jet unless you have UNLIMITED CASH. You have been warned!
@Gremlack13
@Gremlack13 5 месяцев назад
I love and adore the inclusion of the great trailer park supervisor jim lahey stumbling drunk down the stairs when revealing the price. Perfect reaction.
@eb1888.
@eb1888. 3 месяца назад
Now you know. Since everything is determined by date, you can map out maintenance going forward. And be prepped. First thing I'd do is find a used set of maintenance manuals. Map out each phase with parts and labor. Determine what can be diy and what can't. Shop for labor just like parts. When you're not rushed, deals are easier.
@brandonlarson5275
@brandonlarson5275 8 месяцев назад
I was 20k into my 421 before it even made it to its annual. I figure I will be into it 35k just in maintenance my first year of ownership and only flew it 8 hours. Good luck, we both need it. lol
@samualray
@samualray 7 месяцев назад
Flying my 1980 Cessna 210 average annual budget was about 30k includes fuel for 100 hours of flying. Loved the plane but sold it and built a 125k loaded ifr glass panel Rv9a , and also fly for a regional airline (e175) 2nd career thanks to the pilot shortage! Love flying the jet which the last four years have been incredible!
@douglasb5046
@douglasb5046 5 месяцев назад
Big plus if your citation is you don’t have to worry about VMC rolls if you lose one of the engines. I recall that when I did my type rating in the same model.
@markseifried3959
@markseifried3959 3 месяца назад
Thx for taking the risk and buying this. Myself and other experienced pilots would love to own one. I would guess it's entirely doable with 4-10 owners based at one airport. They are a dream to fly verses the propeller versions.
@SmithBeatZ1
@SmithBeatZ1 8 месяцев назад
Love your videos, man! I've always wondered how you got to where you're at. To own all of these planes and cars, you must've done something right financially. Would be a cool video idea.
@haweater1555
@haweater1555 8 месяцев назад
Imagine the maintenance costs of a commercial air liner: example emergency evacuation equipment. The gas inflation cartridges on the life jackets have a fixed life before mandatory replacement. Same with the life jacket itself. Jets over water require exit slides that transform into rafts. Rafts with emergency supplies that have a fixed life, like water, first aid kits, flashlights and ELTs with batteries, and flares, all in case a jet needs to survivably ditch on the high seas. Yet the number of incidents in civil aviation of the past 60 years where large numbers of passengers have had to rely on this equipment while floating on rafts awaiting rescue for many hours, is zero.
@stefanmarkovic6636
@stefanmarkovic6636 8 месяцев назад
I'll throw a dime in. Simple roll sunshades on a 737 cost aprox 5000 Dollars. A FADEC (rarelly replaced, usually in defect situations)costs about 500000$. So imagine how much a check is quoted, while all defects found on the same check can explosively inflate the price.
@jamesvelvet3612
@jamesvelvet3612 7 месяцев назад
Exactly! And then what happens is when I'm in Logan (Boston) on the tarmac flying to South Carolina on Spirit and look around the cabin knowing they are getting a whopping $165 per head ROUND TRIP it is kinda scary ;-)
@nutrino75
@nutrino75 7 месяцев назад
im sure these airlines get mates rates
@MattH-wg7ou
@MattH-wg7ou 7 месяцев назад
I think about that on fighters...the egress/ejection equipment too. An FCC (Flight Control Computer) for an F15E is $400000, and they swap those things out like hotcakes.
@robb1165
@robb1165 7 месяцев назад
I worked at an airline, the 4 year overhaul ran about 75% of the cost of a new plane.
@jts4233
@jts4233 5 месяцев назад
I love❤ your dedication to aviation! And the shine in your eyes! How about changing to a well maintained Mitsubishi MU-2? The howling of the Garrets331 is addictive! And the Speed not too bad compared to the citation. Do the math - perhaps that MU-2 would fit the bill in the long-term equation! Many happy landings on which ever aircraft you are!❤
@ichimakan5783
@ichimakan5783 5 месяцев назад
Hey thats a good video, and I expected the invoice would have been higher...have fun being back in the air. 🙂
@TheGlassasylum
@TheGlassasylum 8 месяцев назад
!! Love your show !! Honestly, Don't go for looks, ie. children spend all their money just to impress someone else ! Just maintain it, use it, enjoy it, when the time is right, sell it !
@Bill_N_ATX
@Bill_N_ATX 8 месяцев назад
Once again, it’s the 3 F rule. Everyone in their right mind knows it.
@user-qe5go9fy8o
@user-qe5go9fy8o 8 месяцев назад
Parts for the old slotation are getting more expensive! But the reason they and getting rare is because they are very thirsty and when the engines time out the aircraft is not worth overhauling! Worked on citations for over 20 years!
@kenhaight4112
@kenhaight4112 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for your honesty and your willingness to share the ups and many downs of ownership. I enjoy your channel and hope to catch more in the future. Gosh, I collect old lawnmowers and I thought they were expensive to maintain! lol take care KC
@keithkennedy2725
@keithkennedy2725 6 месяцев назад
Great commentary… I’m not an aviator but I find your content very interesting…
@TheFlyingZulu
@TheFlyingZulu 8 месяцев назад
6:27 In the Air Force on the KC135 we called those DADC checks. That stands for Digital Air Data Computer check. We would hook up equipment to the pitot/static system and introduce air pressure into the system to run up the airspeed and altitude instruments. It was an all shift (8 hours) job if everything went well. If something didn't check out, such as their was a leak somewhere, it could turn into a multi day job. lol. Good memories.
@lookylook570
@lookylook570 7 месяцев назад
An RVSM check is much mor than hooking up a pitot/static machine, the static ports & surrounding areas have to be checked per a maintenance manual “map” which can take several hours of work. Just because your can afford the purchase price of a jet doesn’t mean you can afford to operate it.
@TheFlyingZulu
@TheFlyingZulu 7 месяцев назад
@@lookylook570Yea... I was commenting on how involved a RVSM and DADC check is and why it is expensive... Do you think I'd explain EVERYTHING that in involved in doing one in a youtube comment? Of Course not. It's a lot more than just hooking up machine. Like I said, if everything went well with the check, it took about 8 hours, that includes everything such as checking out tools, paperwork and all of the actual maintenance. Lol...
@joeyvanstrien370
@joeyvanstrien370 8 месяцев назад
Seeing the interior upgrade equals 2 scheduled maintenance visits I would keep it as it is, it looks fine for the remaining life.
@kylecordes
@kylecordes 4 месяца назад
It would be great to see follow-up when you are finally done with this plane. Total cost of ownership vs total number of flight miles over a multi-year period. Most private jet folks sort of growl and demure when asked this.
@stevenbelzer9768
@stevenbelzer9768 7 месяцев назад
As a former NAVY pilot, AA Captain AND GIV Chief Pilot for international company ..”DUH “ the SMART money just buys a MARQUIS Jet Card , or NETJETS membership. ANY jet you want , just girly rates , no pilot fixed costs , insurance , maintenance …hence the old adage for expenses “ If it flies , fucks or floats ..it’s CHEAPER to RENT it “
@deepg7084
@deepg7084 4 месяца назад
Yeah I've spoken to several wealthy people who just fly with a Netjets membership. Just as time efficient but much less financial commitment. My brother just got in touch with an old high school friend of his who is now a multi billionaire. He flies around on a Gulfstream G450. I'm trying to find out what his arrangement is. It's funny, my brother talks about how he'd always have to give him some lunch money at school lol.
@johanndork5364
@johanndork5364 8 месяцев назад
Well done jr for actually buying and owning the Citation, you did it! More than I ever did, so just pay the bills(seen worse restoring a car) for a year and jet off having fun. When you get a wet weekend, spreadsheet the costs versus just renting hours.
@toma5153
@toma5153 7 месяцев назад
+1 on the cost of doing a top-notch stock restoration on a car/truck. $$$$$
@haroldrushton6735
@haroldrushton6735 8 месяцев назад
It's been my experience that the initial maintenance on an aircraft after purchase has been the most expensive. So, maybe, just maybe things will calm down a bit for you guys moving forward... Good luck!!
@ryanthomas2472
@ryanthomas2472 8 месяцев назад
Haha, I think they've used up their luck on getting away so cheap on this one. Next one might make them cry.
@EcocleanPools
@EcocleanPools 3 месяца назад
I'm a mechanic at Textron (Cessna Citation) with access to parts pricing and obviously labor times. It's insane yet we're busy all the time. There's a lot of money out there being spent on private jets.
@WilliamsWings
@WilliamsWings 7 месяцев назад
This was a great story! Looks like I'll stick with my prop airplane for now!
@publicmail2
@publicmail2 8 месяцев назад
This is how aviation prices work. Take a high full retail price for a part and multiply that by 15-20.
@Comm0ut
@Comm0ut 6 месяцев назад
Aircraft part production runs are tiny compared to vehicles that do not fly and the required certs mean expensive quality control. Given the exotic processes used to manufacture engines their cost is impressively low for what they are and how long they stay on-wing. That's why it's hard for even rich countries to break into the market.
@terryschima4964
@terryschima4964 7 месяцев назад
A new interior would be nice and make you feel good for a very short time, but with all the other expenses, it’s not worth spending the money. You might have to triple your auto sales to justify it. Think ROI, and that should make you see it’s not worth it. Thanks for this informative video.
@PrestigeWorldWide777
@PrestigeWorldWide777 8 месяцев назад
I took a systems course on this jet in college. Love to see it still flying.
@Musa-Moses
@Musa-Moses 6 месяцев назад
Same exact plane?
@cubanrafy
@cubanrafy 5 месяцев назад
I'll take the 30 minute TSA line and a $800 first class ticket on Delta with champagne service any day, and buy a nice house with a Lambo with the savings! 😀 That said, I think it's SUPER COOL that these young men are able to have their own private jet!
@CR-xv8wm
@CR-xv8wm 5 месяцев назад
I’m not familiar with Citations but I’d recommend looking at service centers in Wichita, KS where these were made. They will likely have good techs there that are familiar with the plane and costs should be lower than a shop in California.
@kalebkralicek5287
@kalebkralicek5287 8 месяцев назад
Future reference you can always get a ferry permit to take it to a different shop! I work on these often and will say the oem will schedule you and have you ready to go and won’t put you on the back burner like that!
@ictpilot
@ictpilot 7 месяцев назад
You're right. I was going to say get a ferry permit go to Wichita to the Citation center and let them work on it. Or check with Yingling aviation on the field.
@bizjetfixr8352
@bizjetfixr8352 5 месяцев назад
See comment above. 95% of the WCSC guys haven't laid a wrench on anything older than 525. Check with Yingling. They geared up to support these older Citations a while ago.
@patrickgreen2361
@patrickgreen2361 8 месяцев назад
I know that if I get upset paying for lower gear oil for my 50 hp outboard, and I’m doing the labor, I’d sooner walk than pay for my own private jet airplane. But, with RU-vid, I get to experience this through you.
@WesNorthOf45
@WesNorthOf45 7 месяцев назад
Everything is within walking distance. Eventually.
@OMG_No_Way
@OMG_No_Way 5 месяцев назад
Owning a jet is the closest thing you can have to buying time. As a toy for trips to Vegas with your buddies, ridiculously expensive and not practical. But if you use it for work, making money, the costs can absolutely be worth it.
@dncviorel
@dncviorel 5 месяцев назад
...which is why we have the private jet industry to start with. If you're only using it for fun, owning a plane it's going to look like an irrational decision.
@Perich29
@Perich29 4 месяца назад
If you live in Arizona, its cheaper to either fly on JSX or get your memborship subscribe to the company that flies private jet out of KSDL so if you regain points on your membership, you can use the points to fly on their dedicated route on there private jet.
@peterwaugh9416
@peterwaugh9416 8 месяцев назад
Imagine how the costs stack up if you own an airline. Their aircraft come out of a maintenance period straight back into a scheduled service. Hey, the 300 people at gate 23 we couldn't get a part for our plane can you all come back in a week?
@raykrv6a
@raykrv6a 8 месяцев назад
I expected a higher bill. You could always part out the plane and probably double your money.
@Krushvitzr
@Krushvitzr 4 месяца назад
Dude Hershbar Citation!?! My man!!! Love the content, always wanted to explore one of these. Been flying since I was a little kid with my dad, young enough to fall asleep when trying to follow headings for him. Used to be my favorite thing in the world, go fly with Dad!
@rvboondocker2559
@rvboondocker2559 23 дня назад
I no longer own an aircraft, but I have had a few of them. Just do the math on how much your monthly expenses would be if you keep it in the hanger and don’t fly it or anything, but just leave it sit there and don’t do anything other than maintain it as airworthy. You will be shocked if you include all of the costs for the hanger, insurance, payments if you are making them, annuals, things that have to be replaced regardless of the flight hours, but based on the calendar, and so forth..
@jameswilkinson9951
@jameswilkinson9951 8 месяцев назад
Love your videos, I am a director of maintenance for a global express part 91 family owns it. When we cross the pond from Dallas love field with all the engine and airframe programs plus’s the 6500 gallons of fuel it’s about 90,000 dollars one way. The cost to these guys is like 100 dollars to us normal people.
@ryanphillips5688
@ryanphillips5688 8 месяцев назад
I love the steam gauges, gives it a cool retro look.
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