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Something to remember about this show, it does not follow a single group of soldiers like Band of Brothers. Instead it follows individual soldiers and how their paths crossed across the the war in the Pacific. The show also serves as a love letter to the the Marine Corps.
I am sure the subject will come up on multiple occasions, but you should be prepared for the fact that the war in the Pacific was much more brutal than the war in Europe...it was much more like the worst areas of the Eastern Front. This is a statistically verified fact, and the makers of the show are very good at finding ways to make that brutality seem very real. It is true that many more casualties happened for the US in the European theater of WW2, but that is because of a much larger number of men involved, the Pacific had a far higher rate of casualties AND death than in the Europe. When comparing the amphibious campaigns in the Pacific...like Guadalcanal, Peleliu and the rest...versus the battles of Europe...such as Sicily, Normandy, or The Ardennes...the casualty rate was around 5.5 vs about 1.75. That is how many men per thousand were wounded per day. The difference in death rates was even higher...with 1.78 deaths per thousand per day in the Pacific versus about .36 deaths per day per thousand men in Europe. ✌💯
So glad y’all watching this. People seem to forget about this masterpiece do to the success (very earned) of band of brothers but I think this tells a completely different side of war at such a level that even band of brothers can’t compete
Due* I think it's less a competition or need for comparison that even the veterans themselves tell frankly of their brothers on the beaches of Normandy and across the Pacific. They know themselves and what they can do and been through and of the travails of their fellow brothers during WWII.
The narrative style for "The Pacific" is different from that of "Band of Brothers". The 2001 miniseries focused on a military unit - an Army company. And the 2010 miniseries focused on the experiences of three Marines - Leckie, Sledge and Basilone.
That night naval engagement briefly shown at 16:44 was the Battle of Savo Island, the worst defeat in American naval history. That exact stretch of ocean (and the general Solomons archipelago to a lesser extent) ended up being the most intense and heavily contested naval theatre of WWII, with an entire series of night engagements and two aircraft carrier duels resulting in the loss of over two dozen major warships for each side. There is a reason it’s nicknamed Ironbottom Sound these days.
I was blessed to be able to meet Sid Philips’ sister Katharine before she passed away. I was able to spend about an hour chatting with her about Sid and Eugene Sledge. If you the chance, pickup the books they wrote about their experiences in the war. Sid’s is called “You’ll Be Sor-ree!” and Eugene’s is called “With The Old Breed”. Both are excellent reads with many pictures taken during their experiences. Have a great day!
22:10 That Imperial Japanese soldier was saying "Come on! Kill me! Shoot me!" As for how cruel this was, in comparison to what his brothers-in-arms have done, he had it easy.
@@crazytanks2001 Define 'worse'. We nuked two cities. The Japanese raped, pillaged, and murdered their way through the city of Nanking. The Japanese are also responsible for creating unit 731, a chemical and biological warfare r&d unit.
@@quintomalley1196 yes stalin slaughtered over 50 million people british killed over 30 million in India I can go on everyone is as bad as each other but humanity can still exist just because this other person killed people doesn't mean you can kill someone else
@@quintomalley1196 it’s however quite weird that Americans let most of the Japanese “scientists” live after getting their horrific research results. As an exchange
The landing does such an amazing job of playing on the audiences experiences of the DDay landing from "Saving Private Ryan". Such a great piece of filmaking
Having been to Guadalcanal several times I can assure you the environment is arduous. Just walking around zaps your energy, the humidity and heat is ridiculous. That Naval battle shown was the Battle of Savo Island, a decisive Japanese victory.
Guadalcanal was hell. Six long grinding months of hell in the air, on land, and at sea. People now are used to the United States have a huge material advantage. In 1942, at Guadalcanal, it wasn't like that. Operation Watchtower was run on a shoestring and we suffered some truly punishing defeats. As Savo Island on the night of Aug 9th 1943 the Japanese Navy caught us flat footed and sank 4 of our cruisers. Thousands of Navy sailors died. Then in a battle every American should know about, on the night of Friday, Nov 13th, 1942, a heavily outnumbered Navy task group with only cruisers and destroyers fought a furious night battle against a Japanese naval force that included battleships. They had come to wipe the Marines out but Admiral Callaghan's strike force stopped them cold, at a terrible cost. Admiral Callaghan himself died on the bridge of the USS San Fransisco during the battle, and Admiral Norman Scott also died, and went down fighting with his ship The USS Atlanta that sank that night. All this while the Marines fought battle after battle in the stinking jungles of Guadalcanal
If you are in San Francisco you can go out to Lands End Park and see the foundations of the bath house that used to be there, interesting place. Part of Harold and Maude was filmed there. A short walk along a trail leads to a memorial for the cruiser USS San Francisco. You see the remains of the bridge. The punishment that ship took was amazing. Then drive south to where 280 and 380 intersect. This is where the Golden Gate National Cemetery is located. On the north side of the flagpole mound is the location of Myron “Mike” Ranney’s grave. He was part of the sergeant’s revolt in episode one of BOB and also wrote the letter Winters quotes from at the end of episode 10. Very short walk from there to the grave of Adm. Chester Nimitz.
My Dad was in the OSS in Burma. Ever hear of Merrill's Marauders? At 19 my Pa was on the very tip of that spear. He passed in 2015 and I miss him more every day. He was my real life hero.
Good reaction to a great show. The general that William Sadler plays is Chesty Puller, one of the most legendary Marines ever. Jon Seda is playing John Basilone. One of the most badass Marines (hell, warriors) ever. It would be worth it to read up on those two.
YES!!!! I loved your reaction to Band of Brothers, and was wondering when you were going to do this. I am ready for the journey with you and the boys in the Pacific. Be ready for a ride. The guys that did Band of Brothers, and the Pacific, are working on a third mini series right now, about the Air War in Europe, called Masters of the Air. Production has been going for about two years so far, with a few delays for Covid and pandemic stuff.
@@BGuitarify Thought I replied alredy, but oops. Sounds like it is mostly done, I've seen some leaked photos of costumes and the like out there. One of the producers of it. Kirk Saduski, said it should be out on Apple+ mid to late spring 2023. So, hopefully a trailer in the new year.
@@BGuitarify Oh ya thats right there was a teaser about a decade ago (well not a teaser technically more like a demo reel pitched I guess so a studio would produce it?). Originally, I think it was supposed to be about the 8th air force. I havent kept up with the leaks since but the move to apple+ is a little disappointing, they mustve had problems getting it financed by HBO?
The battle of the Tenaru/Alligator Creek was a review of what the Marines and Americans could expect from the Japanese for the rest of the war were they would not surrender and they would fight to the death.
The infamous Japanese Banzai charge worked very well, when attacking an enemy armed mostly with bolt action weapons and few automatic weapons. But when attacking US troops which was mostly armed with automatic or semi automatic weapons the Banzai charge became a suicide charge. The high losses with almost no success this attack tactic had, would result in that the Japanese higher command from 1943 started to ban such attacks, as they where to costly in manpower with next to no gain. However the ban was still on a local level on occasion ignored, by some die hards to the very end of the war.
Ive watched both Band of Brothers and The Pacific easily 30 times through and you’ll realize that trying to choose between the two is almost impossible. This show really drives into the emotional side of being a marine in the Pacific theatre. An unbelievable show. Cant wait for the next one
This is right. The themes of BOB are group cohesion and leadership. The theme of The Pacific is how many times can you send a man into hell without destroying his soul.
@@stevem2323 The holocaust was terrible but man Imperial japs were more brutal to their enemies. They def deserved the nukes more than the innocents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
@@gudhaxer41343 Absolutely, people are totally oblivious how dangerous and murderous that regime was, they absolutely annihilated Chinese and other nations. Also, they started to use live shield from Japanese civilians toward the end of the war. Imagine trying land invasion on Japan, probably million dead US soldiers and couple million dead Japanese.
I really don't think one of these shows can be analysed or discussed without the other, they're sort of two sides of the same coin. The way I'd describe them is that Band of Brothers is about how war shapes people, and The Pacific is about how war breaks people
In June 1942, the 1st Marines [regiment] set sail from San Francisco headed for the South Pacific. The 1st Marines regiment landed on the island of Guadalcanal, part of the Solomon Islands, on 7 August 1942 and would fight in the Battle of Guadalcanal until relieved on 8 December 1942. Some of the heaviest action the regiment would see on Guadalcanal took place on 21 August 1942 during the Battle of the Tenaru, which was the first Japanese counter-attack of the campaign. The 1st Marines regiment was part of the First Marine division. The First division as a whole would fight in the Guadalcanal Campaign until relieved at 1400 on 8 December 1942 by Major General Alexander Patch's Americal Division. This operation won the division its first of three World War II Presidential Unit Citations (PUC). The battle would cost the division 650 killed in action, 1,278 wounded in action with a further 8,580 contracting malaria and 31 missing in action. 1st Marine Division - Commanded by Major General Alexander Vandegrift =================== 1st Marine Regiment 5th Marine Regiment 7th Marine Regiment 11th Marine Regiment 1st Amphibian Tractor Battalion 1st Aviation Engineer Battalion 1st Pioneer Battalion 1st Special Weapons Battalion 1st Tank Battalion Other Marine units 3rd Defense Battalion - landed 7 August 1942 1st Parachute Battalion 1st Raider Battalion The 2nd Marine Regiment and part of the 10th Marine Regiment [from the 2nd marine division] were attached to the First division for the invasion of Guadalcanal. The 8th Marine Regiment [from the 2nd marine division] would arrive in November 1942 as reinforcements.
The battle at the end of the episode is the Battle of the Tenaru River in which a Japanese regiment of 1,000 men attacked the Marines throughout the night. It was an absolute massacre as the Marines killed 900 of the Japanese attackers while suffering only 41 killed themselves. There's a very famous photograph of the aftermath (recreated at 21:03) with hundreds of dead Japanese bodies on the sandbar.
My granddad signed up December 8th 1941, US Navy Seabee. He did the grand tour of the South Pacific. Fought side by side with Marines. Gramps passed in 75. When I joined the Navy my Grandma was more than a little pleased to carry-on the family tradition.
As others have pointed out, The Pacific is a far different beast than Band of Brothers. In particular, it underscores the brutality and psychological horrors of war in the Pacific. The series gets darker and grimmer as it progresses. There aren't many feel good scenes in this series, and far fewer guys in white hats like Winters or Lipton from BoB. It's less character driven and more about the traumatic toll war exerts on the common Marine. Indeed, the Imperial Japanese military was fanatical. The things they did to people in China and elsewhere (POWs included) is enough to make you sick and gives the Nazis a run for their money.
I HIGHLY recommend reading the books written by 2 of the main characters. Robert Ledkie's "Helment for My Pillow" and Eugene Sledge's "With the Old Breed" These books were used to help tell more of their personal stories throughout the series.
Finally! I'm so happy that you guys finally found time to get around to this. It's another masterpiece! The story is told a bit differently than the way it was in _Band of Brothers,_ but it is on the same level in quality. And I feel like I have an obligation to be one of the people to suggest watching _Generation Kill_ whenever you feel like it/have the tine after you finish _The Pacific._
This series was made almost a decade after Band of Brothers. Back then there were more Veterans still alive, i wish they made this one sooner because then we could have had more Pacific veterans in the show.
My late uncle was in the 7th Army and fought in North Africa/Sicily. He was wounded and sent home to recover after which he volunteered for the 5307 composite unit fighting the Japanese in Burma. All he ever said about his combat experience was that he wished he had stayed in Europe fighting the Germans.
About Time, especially now with a third show coming. Btw, after you finish the show if you can, I would recommend watching the documentary He Has Seen War, which has surviving members of Easy Company and the First Marine Division, you’ll see some familiar names.
OMFG I'm so excited about this. I loved your Band of Brothers reactions and I love this series a lot as well! Gotta see what the Marines did against an enemy that wouldn't surrender and didn't care if he died as long as he took you with him, against jungles, malaria, heat, hidden machine gun nests.
Love seeing you react to the pacific. Mid spring of this year, another 10 part miniseries is coming out from hanks and Spielberg about the usaf in Europe. Called "masters of the air" can't wait to check it out
Being Pacific Islander you grow up always hearing stories from grandparents and elders who were in the middle of the fighting. Plus those stories get backed up with the ship graveyards and caves, bunkers, etc. right in your front yard😂
Adding to his list of iconic World War II-era productions like “Saving Private Ryan” and “Band of Brothers,” Hollywood superstar Tom Hanks’ latest project is “Masters of the Air,” a TV miniseries that retells the story of the men inside the American bomber known as the “Flying Fortress.”
My father was in the Pacific Theater. He was in New Guinea. I have his war diary and he tells about the Japanese Zeros bombing the air field where my dad was. He and a buddy ran fora foxhole, my dad made it but the only thing left was his buddy's boots. My dad didn't talk much about it.
Such a great series. Be ready. As the episodes progress, you will see the horrors of war and how it affected everyone and the brutality of the Japanese military. Be prepared when you get to episode 9, it'll be a tough episode for you both.
Whilst this series often gets overlooked for Band of Brothers, probably because the little specks of dirt they fought on in the Pacific Theater were not house hold names like the cities in Europe, you will find that as you get deeper into the series that it was a different kind of war. Often at arms length and almost medieval in it's brutality, the marines were really put through the grinder out there and had to fight to the death for every inch of their advance to Japan.
One thing that's related but from and Army Air Corps point of view is the book "One Damned Island after Another" by Clive Howard and Joe Whitley. To extend the reach of heavy bomber aircraft towards Japan as the islands were taken, air fields were built (or repaired) and put into service. So air crews were moving from island to island, gradually closer to Japan. Good book.
My dad’s cousin’s father was at Pearl Harbor. I was able to hear the stories he told to his daughter about it and it was mind blowing. He also won the Medal of Honor for what he did at Guadalcanal. The entire bridge had been blown up by artillery and unfortunately it killed everyone on the bridge including the Captain. While the ship was on fire, he steered it to safety. RIP Bruce McCandeless I. Proud to be a part of your family.
If you want a good appreciation of the other side of the Pacific war, Clint Eastwood’s movie, Letters From Iwo Jima, is fantastic. Most people dont understand this but japanese tactics evolved massively on iwo jima (a revolution that was only partly applied on peleliu, and fully implemented on okinawa). The creator of the new tactics was a genius general takedashi kuribayashi who defended iwo jima. So admired that the US commanders at iwo jima took the unusual step of searching for his body, which they didn’t find because kuribayashi’s tactics meant NOT committing suicide or making banzai charges, so kuribayashi died leading the final attack on the iwo jima airfield. The japanese high command’s misapplication of kuribayashi’s strategy on okinawa resulted in the bloodbath on okinawa and the use of nuclear bombs, which was the opposite to kuribayashi’s objective. This series is based on 3 memoirs: robert leckie’s Helmet for my pillow, eugene Sledge’s With the Old Breed at Peleliu and Okinawa, and Chuck Tatum’s Red Blood, Black Sand.
So glad to see you reaction to this series. My dad was in the Navy. He was 16 in High school when Pearl was hit. He remembered everyone saying "Where's Pearl Harbor". It was 1941, Hawaii was not part of the US & just a bunch of volcanic islands out somewhere in the pacific ocean. As soon as he turned 17, he enlisted & served in the Pacific. He's 96 now & one of the few still alive from that war. He lost 2 brothers in WW II, my uncle lost a leg, but they never lost faith in the USA.
Machine gunners and mortar crews were issued .45s (or M1 carbines, a much shorter and lighter rifle), because they couldn't carry both a rifle and whichever part of their crew-served weapons they had. I was a mortarman in the Marine Corps and qualified with both rifle and pistol. We were short-handed, so I was usually carrying my pistol and a 60mm barrel and bipod (those two items weighed about 25 pounds together.) I was also the platoon radio operator, so I had the radio inside my pack, along with a couple of spare batteries. Call that another 25 pounds, plus three pounds for the pistol, three for the helmet, and another 20-25 pounds for everything else. They tended to assign the biggest and strongest guys to machine guns and mortars, for obvious reasons. Most junior Marines only qualified with the rifle, since they didn't carry pistols until they were much more senior. As for close range: in that first firefight, the Marines and Japanese were 30-50 feet apart. Picture fighting like that from across a residential street.
Thrilled that you guys are reviewing this show. I followed your whole journey through band of brothers and loved those videos as well. The main characters to follow are Robert Lecki ( guy behind machine gun who writes letters to Vera), John Basilone (Italian guy from NJ who’s friends are JP Morgan and Manny Rodriguez), and later on you’ll get to spend a lot more time with Eugene Sledge (boy from Mobile Alabama w the heart murmur). Enjoy the series!
I wish people reacted to the theme song more. It is absolute beautiful and mesmerizing and completely depicts the horrors and emotional damage sustained in war.
It's a Remote Control, non-melodic piece of shit, this theme. Would have been way better with Michael Kamen (actually compare the two themes and tell me this one is better), but unfortunately Michael actually died, and they had to go with Hans' dumb, evil, ghostwriting, pyramid-scheme company, which had already taken over the film industry at this point.
Great to see more reactions to this. Just a suggestion that not many reaction channels have done…react to Generation Kill. It’s another HBO miniseries. It covers “our war” the invasion of Iraq. Also based on actual events as recorded by a reporter imbedded with Marine Reconnaissance. Unlike BOB or The Pacific, the soldiers who were there advised on the set and a number actually act in the series. Just food for thought. As to the father’s treatment of their son’s remember most of them fought in the First World War, they knew exactly what they were sending their sons off to do.
If yall ever get the chance you need to visit the WWII Museum in New Orleans. When i was stationed on the gulf the locals swore by it and they were right. It's a once in a lifetime experience. An absolute must.
There wes a man named Saumara (SP?) who died on a troop transoport. He had struck out Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, Lou Gehrig in an exebition game when the Yankees went to Japan in 37 0r 38 right before the war started. My spouse ins Japanese and I met her stationed over there. Listening to what they say in the show has been eye opening to say the least.
23:09 When my Grandpa was in the Navy, he was stationed on a ship in the Pacific. Early in the war, a Zero was repeatedly strafing them. Then all of a sudden, he turned his plane and barreled towards them. He missed, and crashed straight into the water. Afterwards, they fished his body out of the river, and checked him for intel, cracking jokes and jeering the whole time. Obviously he's not stupid enough to keep the plans on his person. Instead, they found a picture of him posing with a young Japanese woman and a newborn baby. My Grandma said, it got reeeeeeeally quiet after that...
Oh yeah I've read some books about this part of the war and some of these guys talked about how on some of these islands the grass was extremely thick and almost as tall as they were
@24:41 That letter is written by Eugene Sledge, who was the guy at the start, who was told he had an illness that would prevent him from serving. And then, when his heart murmur was not found, Became the real life Eugene Sledge. I hope!! He was a hero. They all were. **Yeah im fulla shit**
Colonel "Chesty" Puller was amazing. By the war's end he earned five Navy Crosses. Those are just one step below The Congressional Medal of Honor in the hierarchy of combat medals.
Wow! So excited to see your reactions to this series. I loved your reactions to Band of Brothers but thought you kinda forgot about the Pacific. Thank you so much for remembering these guys who endured hell on earth. They should never be forgotten. ❤️
I've seen this twice now (3rd with you guys) and it truly does not get any easier. Like Sting says in the song "Russians," "There is no such thing as a winnable war." Love and peace you guys and thanks for watching.❤✌
I’m so glad I found you two. I’m a little older, but I do appreciate young adults being very interested in history and what almost all of our Fathers, Uncles, Great Uncles, Grandfathers, Great Grandfathers and Great Great Grandfathers went through. Not to ignore the brave nurses who in those days were women. I only watch one other channel. I appreciate that you both care and want to learn. My Father was in Korea, my cousin was killed in Vietnam. I appreciate hearing your views and reactions. ♥️
At the "Battle of Alligator Creek", when the machine guns open up on the Japanese and you see all these "lighted rounds" (tracers) heading towards the Japanese - just remember that a typical belt of ammunition for a machine gun, every 5th round was a tracer. That means, for every lit bullet you see, there are 4 that are also fired that are completely invisible.... And ofcourse, none of the regular rifles, pistols or shotguns projectiles are seen as they do not typically use tracers. .... and THEN you have mortars and other artillery...
So glad you guys finished this series Some RU-vid reactors don't finish it. They expect another Band of Brothers and then can't handle the brutality of the series and the War in the Pacific
My grandpa was there. He never said anything about it, except that even in his old age, whenever he was out in the mountains or fields by himself, he’d go still, stop breathing, and listen for them. He couldn’t help it. Two Purple Hearts.
Steve, I heard you say you were from NJ. I grew up in NJ also. My Dad was in the Navy on the Battleship Iowa (BB61) '43-'44. I was a Navy Corpsman attached to a marine unit in Hawaii.
I asked my nanna if us Aussies were genuinely worried about a Japanese invasion, She was born in 33 and remembers those times well. She just replied "oh yeah, we were shit scared". My suburb wayyy down the south west of Aus has artillery battery's and bunkers throughout the coastal cliffs. Cheers yanky's for the help.
Your words about how people are affected by what they do with weapons of war struck very true. One of my best and closest friends (the only man to hug and and hold me as I wept on his shoulder after the death of my wife) was an artilleryman and the story he told me of how he felt as they advanced over the field of devastation that his gun helped make hit home all the harder by what his eyes said that his tongue could not.
Going into the jungle (it’s darker in the jungle) is like an indication of what kind of war these marines will face fighting the Japanese. This war is going to be a journey into the heart of darkness.
When I left for the Marines my Dad did the same thing as Leckie's Dad, he showed up as everyone was getting on the shuttle to the airport, came over and talked to me for about 10 seconds, shook my hand, and turned around and walked back to his car and drove away hahaha not very good with emotional situations
A good portion of this series is based on the book, "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" by Eugene Sledge, the guy with the medical problems at the beginning of the show. Right up there with the best War History book I've read.
I had 4 uncles enlist in the Army and Navy during WW2. They fought in major battles (Midway & D-Day). Came home and 2 were killed by cancer (lung and liver) & the other 2 DWI's. My one uncle was hit by a Kamikaze pilot and was only 14 that lived. They all died as a product of the war and PTSD. Self medication from mental illness killed them. As retired navy its better at this point. They saw horrible things no one who is a sane human could mentally comprehend.
That battle there at the end at Alligator Creek was featured in the HISTORY Channel Series "Shoout Out" back in the early 2000s. A 3D CGI docuseries that showcased many famous battles and sniper engagements throughout the 20th century. And they recreated it here in The Pacific pretty accurately. And if I'm not mistaken, that's the exact location of the battle.
I'm so glad you guys are watching the Pacific and I hope you will watch Generation Kill after to round out the trilogy of HBO historical military miniseries.
The story was that the veterans of Pacific Theater said that they loved the Band of Brothers they wrote to Hanks and Spielberg that they needed to tell their story
Yes! Looking forward to this reaction! I love when you guys said you appreciate this stuff about the war more. As I do you learn in school but you also learn from family members who have been through it. And learn the loss of a family member. I lost an Uncle during the Vietnam War which was so upsetting how he lost his life. As others who faced it. So I appreciate watching war films because it's our history and shows what these soldiers went through. Kudos to you guys watching these films and shows.
These Men have always had my admiration and respect l. I am 65 years old a student of history. I knew as a young man how traumatic this was. I worked with an old guy in the late 60s with a veteran of Guadalcanal he wouldn’t talk about it l. He told me his hair turned bone white when he wa 20! Constant fear and foreboding made Boys old men!
@Nikki&StevenReact Nikki, your comment at @10:40 is a good observation. Many people were crushed not to be able to go, some men committed suicide -- as referenced in the intro to the first episode of Band of Brothers. But it's important to note that this also included women and Japanese-American Men. There was at least one instance of a Japanese-American man who served with distinction in WWI and, when denied by the Army to reenlist due to his ethnicity, put on his WWI uniform with medals for gallantry and committed suicide in shame. Likewise, the need for and desire of so many women to help out directly led to things like the WASPs, women pilots who ferried fighters to bases for delivery, and paved the way for women participating in the workforce in general.
This mini-series was extraordinarily disturbing to me. It was so realistic. I felt I was there with them and most of the time, I was terrified. May God bless our troops forever.
Alot of people don't get how brutal the pacific war was because the numbers arnt as high but look at the casualties per square kilometer or even meter on some of these tiny islands and you'll understand especially since the spaces were so confined the fighting often to place at essentially knife fighting distance.
