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The paradox at the heart of mathematics: Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem - Marcus du Sautoy 

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Explore Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem, a discovery which changed what we know about mathematical proofs and statements.
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Consider the following sentence: “This statement is false.” Is that true? If so, that would make the statement false. But if it’s false, then the statement is true. This sentence creates an unsolvable paradox; if it’s not true and it’s not false- what is it? This question led a logician to a discovery that would change mathematics forever. Marcus du Sautoy digs into Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem.
Lesson by Marcus du Sautoy, directed by BASA.
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Комментарии : 3,7 тыс.   
@AKHELUS.
@AKHELUS. 2 года назад
Mathematicians: trying to prove that all equations can only be true or false Gödel: hippity hoppity your certainty is my property
@yourkingdomcomeyourwillbedone
@yourkingdomcomeyourwillbedone 2 года назад
Lol
@ameen2428
@ameen2428 2 года назад
sheldon, is that you?
@historicwine1283
@historicwine1283 2 года назад
Wrong
@AKHELUS.
@AKHELUS. 2 года назад
@@historicwine1283 w-what's wrong 😟 😅
@BrunoTurcatti
@BrunoTurcatti 2 года назад
@@AKHELUS. What Gödel says is that there are statements that cannot be proved, no that they are not true nor false.
@neizanmendez6317
@neizanmendez6317 2 года назад
Gödel casually making mathematicians notice that they have wasted 20 years of their lives in an unsolvable problem while being that cute in the video lol
@DecemberGalaxy0
@DecemberGalaxy0 2 года назад
At least they wouldn't spend more
@foxgaming76yt24
@foxgaming76yt24 2 года назад
Yeah
@alvarezjulio3800
@alvarezjulio3800 2 года назад
Godel was a Mathematician too. I understand that people might be confused about logic. But logic is just a branch of mathematics.
@nagavignesh9292
@nagavignesh9292 2 года назад
Still , math works , we live in the world full of stuffs that uses maths directly or indirectly
@name5702
@name5702 2 года назад
Life is a waste no matter what you do
@ossapinhosfazemhumah
@ossapinhosfazemhumah 2 года назад
"Its Gödels all the way down" most underrated joke in this entire series.
@thomasstambaugh5181
@thomasstambaugh5181 2 года назад
Surely a reference to Terry Pratchett ...
@fmanda
@fmanda 2 года назад
Came to the comments to say exactly this and was glad to see it was already taken care of.
@dineshgoswami6237
@dineshgoswami6237 2 года назад
Came to the comments to say exactly this and was glad to see it was already taken care of. (2)
@devilvocano420
@devilvocano420 2 года назад
@@dineshgoswami6237 wat does it mean
@joy1ess
@joy1ess 2 года назад
@@devilvocano420 brief history of time.. stephen hawking
@thealienontheinternet
@thealienontheinternet 2 года назад
Imagine if he didn’t manage to prove his Incompleteness Theorems because they turned out to be true but unprovable. Complete mindfuck that would have been
@patrickdelana8953
@patrickdelana8953 2 года назад
=))))
@Sir-Taco
@Sir-Taco 2 года назад
If they were true but unprovable that would have been proof right there, but that means it would be true and provable which makes it so there is no proof, which would make it true and unprovable
@divyaojha9149
@divyaojha9149 2 года назад
@@Sir-Taco wow
@jonathancaz7012
@jonathancaz7012 2 года назад
@@Sir-Taco if the only way to prove that some mathematical states are unprovable is itself unprovable, then you can't know if things are unprovable. You wouldn't know it was unprovable. It would just look like it was very hard to solve.
@benheideveld4617
@benheideveld4617 2 года назад
I think that is the case! Incompletene or Inconsistent may be Unprovable truth.
@vanditrikhi9984
@vanditrikhi9984 2 года назад
Isaac Newton dancing for Gödel is now ingrained in my mind.
@davidrosenbaum4827
@davidrosenbaum4827 2 года назад
It's Gödels all the way down!
@foxgaming76yt24
@foxgaming76yt24 2 года назад
Oh lmao
@hieuminh9164
@hieuminh9164 2 года назад
@@foxgaming76yt24 no you do not
@foxgaming76yt24
@foxgaming76yt24 2 года назад
@@hieuminh9164 Huh
@sprinkles7912
@sprinkles7912 2 года назад
That was funny
@RyeedAglan
@RyeedAglan 2 года назад
LOL, Godel, Noether, and Hilbert are drawn so adorable
@epicstuff7522
@epicstuff7522 2 года назад
@@DyslexicMitochondria Hey bro I watch ur videos. Love your channeI
@geekoutnerd7882
@geekoutnerd7882 2 года назад
Ohhh it was Hilbert! I was thinking Russell.
@sidcord7118
@sidcord7118 2 года назад
Who is LOL?
@marisaliu3236
@marisaliu3236 2 года назад
Definitely one of my favorite videos animation wise
@sidcord7118
@sidcord7118 2 года назад
@ʜᴏɴᴇʏᴘɪᴇ bruh i was just kidding 😆
@faizanquraishi4126
@faizanquraishi4126 2 года назад
Mathematicians : *represent numbers by alphabets.* Godel: *turns alphabets back to numbers.* Math students: "Is this the power of a god?"
@mayankrathore8721
@mayankrathore8721 2 года назад
Gaara from Naruto. I understood it. Nice one
@earthgrazer2164
@earthgrazer2164 2 года назад
More like he turned it into holders of information that could be represented in language
@semerendocr
@semerendocr 2 года назад
Isaacus Neuu­to­nus. /*Je­ho­va Sanc­tus Unus*/
@sukhmandersingh4306
@sukhmandersingh4306 2 года назад
No the power of godel
@user-hm3ni1wd3f
@user-hm3ni1wd3f Год назад
gödel was a mathematician himself
@bruceli9094
@bruceli9094 Год назад
Godel almost received his Nobel Prize but his theorem was incomplete.
@cerendemir9977
@cerendemir9977 Год назад
Nice one! But mathematicians don't get a Nobel, they have the Fields Medal.
@rince7A
@rince7A Год назад
@@cerendemir9977 John Nash got it.
@cerendemir9977
@cerendemir9977 Год назад
@@rince7A Yes, in economy
@phillustrator
@phillustrator 11 месяцев назад
​@rince7A The Nobel Memorial prize of economics is a fake Nobel
@gotfan7743
@gotfan7743 11 месяцев назад
@@cerendemir9977 Fields Medal was introduced in 1936 and Goedel who lived until 1978 did not receive it.
@pratikshahgreat
@pratikshahgreat 2 года назад
"Jim is his own worst enemy, and enemy of my enemy is a friend. But...." - Dwight Schrute
@afr0z
@afr0z 2 года назад
Same Russell Paradox Barber problem
@ismailnablsi7328
@ismailnablsi7328 2 года назад
Unexpectedoffice
@joanaguadomedina3060
@joanaguadomedina3060 2 года назад
Lol
@reetjaiswal3950
@reetjaiswal3950 2 года назад
That's not really a paradox, is it?
@pratikshahgreat
@pratikshahgreat 2 года назад
@@reetjaiswal3950 then what is it?
@cyberkebab
@cyberkebab 2 года назад
"Breaking math" is the most badass thing a person could ever achieve and you can't change my mind
@theocho
@theocho 2 года назад
Can you prove that your mind cannot be changed?
@floweyfangirl69420
@floweyfangirl69420 2 года назад
@George Khoory agreed, he just "broke" the concept of "math is this because of this, period"
@nailboard6492
@nailboard6492 2 года назад
@George Khoory it is not 100% impossible to violate physics and you can't prove otherwise.
@NamNguyen-my4ec
@NamNguyen-my4ec 2 года назад
@George Khoory imo just like math or any other things, physic is just knowledge and physic laws are just agreement that people agree upon based on what have been known, and because of the fact that there are things that we dont know that we dont know, physic laws maybe true today but not so true in the future. That why i thing it is definitely possible to violate a 'current' physic law
@maybecomicsandetc
@maybecomicsandetc 2 года назад
How about breaking the jokers mind to where he snuffs it? 🚨🚨🚨
@cullenmott7614
@cullenmott7614 2 года назад
*"...and* *he* *was* *even* *less* *confident* *that* *Mathematics* *was* *the* *right* *tool* *to* *investigate* *this* *problem."* This is a big lesson on life. Sometimes you have to go outside the system to identify and solve the problems within it. And you have to have the courage to do so, even if doing so leaves you completely alone, and working completely alone for a long time. The moment you get to strongly suspecting there's a major problem in something that matters a lot to you, you should start looking into it and you should consider that the structure of the system in which the problem lies may be contributing to it. The work of Gödel is a textbook example of this: the structure of Mathematics disguises paradoxes within Axiomatic proofs. So Gödel divested a bit from Mathematics and went outside the field to (a part of Philosophy called) Logic to try to identify (and maybe even solve) these problems. And he ended up revolutionizing his field. Whether the system is mathematics, or the world-economy, or even your own government, if there are problems you're noticing more and more, you may have to go outside the system to truly understand what's going on. The system may be disguising or even contributing to these problems. And you may be the only one who can solve (or begin to solve) them because you may be the only person who is able to see them. And so the work begins, and in all likelihood it's going to be heavy. And as you work, you may have to endure a lot of push-back and isolation before you can make a big change happen. There's almost always consequences for people trying to fix the problems of the world. You should do it anyway. It's only through honestly representing your truth in the face of the falsehoods of your era that you and the world will know peace.
@naimejb7921
@naimejb7921 2 года назад
brother, thank you for this comment.., I appreciate it... I
@cullenmott7614
@cullenmott7614 2 года назад
@@naimejb7921 you’re welcome ✌️
@cullenmott7614
@cullenmott7614 2 года назад
@Anonymous :)
@aslampervez2294
@aslampervez2294 Год назад
Thanks
@cullenmott7614
@cullenmott7614 Год назад
@Israel Gawiseb you’re welcome! Thank you for your kind words.
@BattyBest
@BattyBest Год назад
Dude took "Math is just numbers" to a whole new level
@wiandryadiwasistio2062
@wiandryadiwasistio2062 2 года назад
heisenberg's uncertainty principle: *here comes trouble...* gödel's incompleteness theorem: *...and make it double!*
@mrsugar7528
@mrsugar7528 2 года назад
Imagine a hero mathematician comes out of nowhere and just solves them like that russian mathemician dude who solved an equation which was very difficult and just went back into living his normal life as a regular dude
@randomname285
@randomname285 2 года назад
To protect the world from assertations To confuse the people of every nation To denounce the evils of truth and false To extend all measurements containing faults Werner Kurt Team Uncertainty put error bars on the speed of light Surrender now or your certitude will be out of sight Meowth, is that right?
@chriskandt150
@chriskandt150 2 года назад
That's a definite A for effort. Was not expecting this on the comments. Thank you
@JohnathanLeeSprite
@JohnathanLeeSprite 2 года назад
@@mrsugar7528 Grigori Perelman on Poincare conjecture?
@Hak616
@Hak616 2 года назад
@@JohnathanLeeSprite That guy looks like a hippie but takes life seriously. But he seemed like an idealist. He should have just taken the Fields Medal.
@ordisidro5927
@ordisidro5927 2 года назад
Teacher: Why didn't you show your complete solution?!? Me: well ma'am, according to the Incompleteness Theorem....
@tetrachart4156
@tetrachart4156 2 года назад
Teacher : but that solution was proved to be proveable , i know since *I DID BY SOlVING IT*.
@Lone-Lee
@Lone-Lee 2 года назад
Teacher: "So you've chosen death 💀"
@tetrachart4156
@tetrachart4156 2 года назад
@@LolwutLol2000 They are an definition , not a statement.
@-Subtle-
@-Subtle- 2 года назад
Teacher: I'm well aware of Godel. Too bad your oversimplified Ted-Ed video didn't teach you enough.
@countrymanrandylewis8463
@countrymanrandylewis8463 2 года назад
@@-Subtle- you may have a brain but... I HAVE A GUN
2 года назад
I remember when I was in thrid gradr my math books had written in the cover "Maths make sense". And as a kid that hated math, I spent time trying to figure out any mistake in it, something that didnt make sense. I actually did it a few times, buuut it was actually just me making mistakes, not maths. Well, glad to see one guy did my childhood quest
@zeronothinghere9334
@zeronothinghere9334 3 месяца назад
But it still makes sense
@Xx_Eric_was_Here_xX
@Xx_Eric_was_Here_xX Год назад
not only do i appreciate the concise synopsis of the theorem, i also appreciate getting to see godel dancing around in glee
@Morningstar_37
@Morningstar_37 2 года назад
A long time ago, the mathmaticians lived together in harmony. But everything changed when Gödel published his incompleteness theorem guys it's been over a year, PLEASE stop replying Guys it was funny for the last two years, but you can stop replying to this now. help
@nHans
@nHans 2 года назад
Mathematicians have regularly suffered existential crises since the beginning of history: Zeno's Paradox, irrational numbers, Non-Euclidean Geometry, Russell's Paradox, Halting Problem etc. One would think they'd have gotten used to it by now.
@ELYESSS
@ELYESSS 2 года назад
@@nHans isn't this video's paradox the same as the halting problem?
@nHans
@nHans 2 года назад
​@@ELYESSS There are similarities in the proofs, yes, in the sense that in both proofs, you use self-reference to create a paradox. The problems themselves are, of course, quite different and were solved by different people: • Incompleteness: Gödel • Halting Problem: Independently by Alonzo Church and Alan Turing. (I know that Turing's proof uses self-reference; unfortunately I'm not aware how Church solved it.)
@samuraiboi2735
@samuraiboi2735 2 года назад
@@nHans okay lets say paradoxes have ruined mathematician lives and not even einstein would even safe math
@kanzleribrahim6596
@kanzleribrahim6596 2 года назад
it all changed when the fire nation attacked
@itzjustnub5179
@itzjustnub5179 2 года назад
“The man who broke math” Me when the calculator says *syntax error*: *look what he needs to mimic a fraction of my power*
@amiqai
@amiqai 2 года назад
+
@caseysimmons9578
@caseysimmons9578 2 года назад
Lol
@caseysimmons9578
@caseysimmons9578 2 года назад
My math teachers always hated my questions. Ignored them with nervous laughter or acted bothered or said something along the lines of "that's a whole other discussion." Yeah. They were afraid of me.
@notbob2334
@notbob2334 2 года назад
@Franklin Roe how to make baby? I want baby
@crackaby7075
@crackaby7075 2 года назад
@Franklin Roe why was six scared of seven?
@TheVofD
@TheVofD 2 года назад
Truly wonderful detail, that you used Hilbert as the character, desperatly tries to fix the towers. since he dreamed the most about a complete system of axioms! wonderfull
@ByTobys
@ByTobys 2 года назад
I love how it’s Hilbert (we must know, we will know) who’s walking down the cliff at 4:09
@thetsarofall8666
@thetsarofall8666 2 года назад
Me: can barely do fractions Gödel: *breaks the entire field of mathematics spine over his knee*
@vaivs7903
@vaivs7903 2 года назад
He Bautista Bombed it on a table!
@dhruvakhera5011
@dhruvakhera5011 2 года назад
Gödel is the bane to maths’s batman
@wilforddraper1894
@wilforddraper1894 2 года назад
It's more like giving it the ability to turn invisible
@kohwenxu
@kohwenxu 2 года назад
50 years of attempts, beginning with the work of Gottlob Frege and culminating in Principia Mathematica and Hilbert's formalism, to find a set of axioms sufficient for all mathematics just gets thrown under the bus when Godel finds his Theorem
@justcocomoran5233
@justcocomoran5233 2 года назад
You guys should make a video about me titled: "the man math broke"
@manuelmathew848
@manuelmathew848 2 года назад
that would be pretty unremarkable seeing that since every highschooler can be called that
@spoopyscaryskelebones3846
@spoopyscaryskelebones3846 2 года назад
@@manuelmathew848 not every :)
@manuelmathew848
@manuelmathew848 2 года назад
@@spoopyscaryskelebones3846 goddamit
@lechihieu2606
@lechihieu2606 2 года назад
@@manuelmathew848 more than 50% then 😂
@alt1f4
@alt1f4 2 года назад
Underrated comment
@y2kmedia118
@y2kmedia118 4 месяца назад
The art and sound design of this video is especially satisfying.
@Hallands.
@Hallands. 2 года назад
It's good that you make it clear how Gödel’s self-referencing sentence is only interesting because it is stated in a language inside the system! But we also need to determine if there’s a possible flaw in translation from the verbal sentence "this statement is false" to the mathematical translation… And finally we need also determine whether an axiom kan be self-confirming or self-denying without creating a systemic paradox or placing itself in an order of axioms, not part of the class of all common axioms….
@edwinhuang9244
@edwinhuang9244 Год назад
I'm sure the mathematicians thought about that. ANd it failed, which is why they called it a theorem.
@lardna
@lardna 2 года назад
After this video, only one statement comes to mind: "I understand nothing" -Michael Scott
@donttalkaboutmymomsyo
@donttalkaboutmymomsyo 2 года назад
Who knew Michael Scott was a fan of Socrates all along?
@qinisodlamini1139
@qinisodlamini1139 2 года назад
What is there to understand if there's nothing in the first place 😂😂
@ahnjoseph6875
@ahnjoseph6875 2 года назад
@@nada__ that is actually a really good example!
@secretfolders6069
@secretfolders6069 2 года назад
Its basically schrodingers cat, You cant prove its dead or alive until youve opened the box
@johncaiwa
@johncaiwa 2 года назад
well they made a whole video about math without showing the equation they were talking about. no one could understand what is not shown
@letsgetreal2501
@letsgetreal2501 2 года назад
Socrates: *How did this guy not get poisoned?* Gödel: Oh wait...
@prod.hxrford3896
@prod.hxrford3896 2 года назад
Underrated comment
@maximumoverdrive2676
@maximumoverdrive2676 2 года назад
@@Athlin I’m pretty sure Godel had a severe fear of being poisoned. He only trusted his wife to prepare him food and refused to eat once she died until he died of malnutrition. Something along those lines
@franxx941
@franxx941 2 года назад
@@maximumoverdrive2676 Wow that actually a pretty terrible way to die. Was really someone after him have there been aptempt at his life or did he become paranoid?
@lechihieu2606
@lechihieu2606 2 года назад
@@maximumoverdrive2676 he is just paranoid, his wife was not dead beside, she just has to go to hospital for six months because of stroke and he hadn't eaten much the whole time. When she came back, he was 30kg. She brought him to hospital immediately, but unfortunately, some week later...
@Yokuyin
@Yokuyin 2 года назад
@@franxx941 He became paranoid after his close friend Moritz Schlick was murdered.
@jinyoungkim4532
@jinyoungkim4532 Год назад
This is such an excellent intuitive explanation of a complex idea!
@scottrackley4457
@scottrackley4457 Год назад
A math professor I had said this, "No arbitrary system of rules can explain itself without external input"
@-TheUnkownUser
@-TheUnkownUser Год назад
Alfred Tarski.
@arjunpardal1144
@arjunpardal1144 2 года назад
“Someday a real rain will come and wash all the certainty off the streets “-Gödel
@mrrodriguezHLP
@mrrodriguezHLP 2 года назад
I also like his other quote: "The accumulated filth of all their certainty will foam up about their waists and all the physicists and mathematicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll whisper 'No.'" -Gödel
@vaibhavnitsure4101
@vaibhavnitsure4101 2 года назад
Certainly.
@mattphorwich
@mattphorwich 2 года назад
Wow!! Profound!!
@asherwade
@asherwade 2 года назад
"He didn't say that." - A. Einstein
@arjunpardal1144
@arjunpardal1144 2 года назад
@@mrrodriguezHLP "I guess it comes down to a simple choice,really,get busy proving or get busy assuming"-Gödel
@DGHeina
@DGHeina 2 года назад
For those who don't quite understand what "It's Godel all the way down" means. The phrase "It's turtles all the way down" comes from an anecdote told in the opening to Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time(Edit: although it is not the anecdote's or the saying's real origin): A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You're very clever, young man, very clever", said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!" The phrase is used to describe any system that appears to have dependencies that never end. In the anecdote old lady said that the Earth is flat and is supported on the back of a turtle, but that creates the fact that the turtle needs something to stand on, so the lady says that "It's turtles all the way down" which means that every turtle stands on another turtle which stands on another turtle and so on. For another example, imagine accountability in a (hypothetical) police department. The citizens are policed by police, the police are policed by internal affairs, which might lead to the formation of an "internal internal affairs" to police internal affairs. Someone might describe this system of policing as "turtles all the way down", meaning that the system of policing never ends. So "It's Godels all the way down" means that even if someone tries to make unprovebly true statements new axioms it would create new unprovebly true statements and if someone tries to make them axioms there will be new unprovebly true statements and so on, like said in the video. I do hope it wasn't long enough for you to get bored, but detailed enough so that you now get what's going on. Have a great day. Edit courtesy of ​ @silver6054 : In the form of "rocks all the way down", the saying dates to at least 1838, when it was printed in an unsigned anecdote in the New-York Mirror. A version of the saying in its "turtle" form appeared in an 1854 transcript of remarks by preacher Joseph Frederick Berg addressed to Joseph Barker: My opponent's reasoning reminds me of the heathen, who, being asked on what the world stood, replied, "On a tortoise." But on what does the tortoise stand? "On another tortoise." With Mr. Barker, too, there are tortoises all the way down. (Vehement and vociferous applause.) - "Second Evening: Remarks of Rev. Dr. Berg" So, I suppose Stephen Hawking was just the more known person to popularize the saying. Thanks to @silver6054, again, for the correction.
@heyved11
@heyved11 2 года назад
Well you'd like to know i generally don't read this much in a comment like you said "get bored" but I did find your explanation so intriguing... that look! I am even leaving a comment to notify you😂. It was good btw!
@TheNabominable
@TheNabominable 2 года назад
Thanks for this explanation. I'm no mathematician (far from it) but very intrigued by them, and I found this video quite distrubing and interesting at the same time. Your comment just completed with a great metaphor the theory of unprovable axioms I wasn't sure to get properly. Plus the fact that's still very modern problem (flat earthers and so on). Thanks a lot a lot a lot (and so on ... :D )
@rohithkumarbandari
@rohithkumarbandari 2 года назад
Kudos to your patience.
@rodrigoaguiar5208
@rodrigoaguiar5208 2 года назад
Ty! You da real mvp
@jahnvijoshi690
@jahnvijoshi690 2 года назад
Men thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou
@ShudoShrimp135
@ShudoShrimp135 2 года назад
I know this is an old video but whoever did the sound design for this video deserves an award for all these sfx
@rogersledz6793
@rogersledz6793 2 года назад
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
@kenanwisaksenahudawan4271
@kenanwisaksenahudawan4271 2 года назад
now let me introduce myself. I, the man who's broken by math
@happycowokay7928
@happycowokay7928 2 года назад
😂😂😂
@samuraiboi2735
@samuraiboi2735 2 года назад
Nerds watching this:This man needs some milk
@thisisepic3052
@thisisepic3052 2 года назад
:( Both you and me..
@utj9559
@utj9559 2 года назад
😂😂
@Pastamistic
@Pastamistic 2 года назад
I can't help but feel like this guy's motivation for developing this was nothing more than spite.
@doilyhead
@doilyhead 2 года назад
No. The Cantor diagonal problem is another demonstration of the same thing. In some ways it's easier to understand, depending on how one learns.
@jimintae3284
@jimintae3284 2 года назад
true lol. ig spite is one of the primary motivation huh
@yve4889
@yve4889 2 года назад
Soo.. Does this mean I can write this in my upcoming math test?
@UserName-mf9db
@UserName-mf9db 2 года назад
if the guy above the Yve named JiminTae was i, we would form the word "guy" with our names
@yve4889
@yve4889 2 года назад
@@UserName-mf9db now that's another level of observation 😎😂
@Cudddlefish
@Cudddlefish 2 года назад
I feel this title is misleading: Godel didn’t “break” math any more than Ben Franklin “invented” electricity. Godel simply discovered a limitation that had always existed (which is still an incredible achievement btw since he had to construct the proof for that, as the video explains). Frankly, I find that to be far more disturbing: it means that one of the fundamental tools we use to understand the universe was inherently flawed from the outset.
@tolu619
@tolu619 2 года назад
The title has to be designed to attract people to click on the video. The more people they can attract to watch, the more people they end up teaching. And if their goal is to teach, then clickbaity titles will enhance that goal
@briangruessner4453
@briangruessner4453 2 года назад
Is the math flawed... or does it just accurately reflect the inherent uncertainty and incompleteness of reality?
@richard5808
@richard5808 2 года назад
It's funny because it basically means that whatever we are "discovering" could be just an approximation or totally wrong. Similar to the nonsense predictions of the standard model, despite some accurate predictions.
@broncos435
@broncos435 2 года назад
i think what people have to realize is that any tool created by imperfect humans is necessarily gonna be imperfect. people look at science and math as infallible, be-all, end-all solutions, but they're not. now, this isn't to say they're worthless and/or they're not the best tools we've got, but acknowledging that our tools are imperfect is ok (and necessary)
@goertzpsychiatry9340
@goertzpsychiatry9340 2 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-voWzbIE6ZRs.html
@AhmedSheheryar
@AhmedSheheryar Год назад
"The worst he can say is my formula is wrong" This person:
@Brandoon296
@Brandoon296 2 года назад
“It’s Godels all the way down” BRILLIANT
@davidowen4816
@davidowen4816 2 года назад
Yeah, I loved that too. There's a pompous mathematician friend of mine who I can't wait to use it on.
@scionyx
@scionyx 2 года назад
Physics: Turtles. Coding: Hand Grenades.
@flowercities
@flowercities 2 года назад
i'm smooth brain, could someone please explain this to me? i've heard of "turtles all the way down" but i have no clue what it means
@DGHeina
@DGHeina 2 года назад
@@flowercities The phrase comes from an anecdote told in the opening to Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time: A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You're very clever, young man, very clever", said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!" The phrase is used to describe any system that appears to have dependencies that never end. In the anecdote old lady said that the Earth is flat and is supported on the back of a turtle, but that creates one fact: the turtle needs something to stand on, so the lady says that "It's turtles all the way down" which means that every turtle stands on another turtle that stands on another turtle and so on. For another example, imagine accountability in a (hypothetical) police department. The citizens are policed by police, the police are policed by internal affairs, which might lead to the formation of an "internal internal affairs" to police internal affairs. Someone might describe this system of policing as "turtles all the way down", meaning that the system of policing never ends. So "It's Godels all the way down" means that even if someone tries to make unprovebly true statements new axioms it would create new unprovebly true statements and if someone tries to make them axioms there will be new unprovebly true statements and that's a never-ending cycle, like said in the video. I do hope that wasn't long enough for you to get bored and give up, but detailed enough so that you now get what's going on. Have a great day.
@VGInterviews
@VGInterviews 2 года назад
@@DGHeina very good explanation, thanks
@coolaznboy98
@coolaznboy98 2 года назад
Veritasium did an amazing job explaining Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. I highly recommend for everyone if they want a more in depth video of the theorem.
@briansammond7801
@briansammond7801 2 года назад
Yes, Veritasium did a much more thorough and in-depth exploration of Godel
@TheMcKenzieHaus
@TheMcKenzieHaus 2 года назад
Yeah I saw that! I was eating and I almost choked lol 😂 I was so shocked lol
@nHans
@nHans 2 года назад
Veritasium misunderstood Gödel’s theorem-specifically the part where it states that certain *true* statements cannot be proved. Veritasium ignored the 'true' part, and went on to claim that any currently unproven statement like the Riemann Hypothesis might be unproveable due to Gödel’s theorem. But that's wrong. It has been known since Euclid's times that if you start with a finite number of axioms (or axiom schemas), there are always statements that cannot be proved using those axioms. What's new in Gödel's theorem is that even 'true' statements cannot be proved. Most people have difficulty understanding the concept of "true but unprovable." Is the Riemann Hypothesis true but unprovable? Or, like Fermat's Last Theorem, is it just a matter of time before somebody proves it? Veritasium unfortunately created some confusion in that matter. Some students came up to me and said that the Riemann Hypothesis cannot be proved because of Gödel's theorem, and referred to Veritasium's video as the source. Don't misunderstand me, I love Veritasium's videos in general. But Derek frequently gives in to hyperbole and click-bait titles, possibly because he depends on RU-vid ad revenue for a living. So he called Gödel’s theorem a 'fatal' flaw in mathematics. Well, that 'fatal' flaw has existed in mathematics since the beginning of time, but mathematics is still alive and going strong. Forget being dead, it's not even crippled. 🤣
@bumwau
@bumwau 2 года назад
Agreed. Feel like TED-Ed took the idea after realising they've been a bit too bias politically lately...
@bumwau
@bumwau 2 года назад
@@nHans That's not what interpreted but, as always, it was a long video connecting several ideas
@johng6586
@johng6586 Год назад
When you can step back a frame reference and look from a more higher level/simpler view the details start to get blurred but new trends emerge on a higher level. Mom and Dad have a joint bank account. They make 1 and 2 and a combination of 3(sided combination like 70/30 of the way its used. etc.)
@ErickAlignment-ps5kj
@ErickAlignment-ps5kj 9 месяцев назад
Not only love the topic but also the animation and the music 💜
@Yash-wm1nj
@Yash-wm1nj 2 года назад
4:05 That man with the hat falling down the hill was the great mathematician David Hilbert....who asked 3 most important question about whether math is complete, consistent or decidable. Gödel answered the first question using his Incompleteness Theorem.
@julienbara3082
@julienbara3082 2 года назад
thanks i wasn't able to remember his name ^^
@ronharleypantaleon1824
@ronharleypantaleon1824 2 года назад
The one who raced with Einstein about the equation of TGR?
@vitorpremoli5379
@vitorpremoli5379 2 года назад
@@ronharleypantaleon1824 yes, the same Hilbert
@comh33
@comh33 2 года назад
Fun fact, It was later proven that math is also undecidable. What does this mean? It means that there are some equations, algorithms, processes, and changing arrays that we will never know whether or not they come to a conclusions or loop endlessly. I believe Gödel also proved that mathematics cannot prove its own consistency. In this context, consistency means 2+2=4, always, or that adding two numbers always creates a bigger number. While some basic statements are pretty much a no brainer, the foundations of mathematics cannot be used to prove their own validity or consistency. So at the very best, mathematics is either: 1). Incomplete, Consistent (but we will never know), and undecidable 2). OR incomplete, inconsistent, and undecidable
@benjamindrhee
@benjamindrhee 2 года назад
@comh33 I believe that Gödel proved in his second incompleteness theorem that the statement "Mathematics is consistent" also falls into the category of statements that can not be proved but is true regardless, just like those self-referencing axioms which cease to be proved by it's axiomatic/logical system.
@shaheen4663
@shaheen4663 2 года назад
Ah here is another video which makes me question everything I've ever studied
@knan9252
@knan9252 Год назад
This channel is just awesome.
@patrickwilson1804
@patrickwilson1804 Год назад
I love how Hilbert is shown without reference expect with his iconic hat and him trying to formalize a system but running into trouble.
@-TheUnkownUser
@-TheUnkownUser Год назад
They should have added Bertrand Russell. Principia Mathematica is dense that it needs some recognition.
@eladblaier898
@eladblaier898 2 года назад
Hilbert: "math is complete" Godel: "I'm about to end this man's whole career"
@ghasthordegd1201
@ghasthordegd1201 2 года назад
It "Godels" all the way down
@calhackit9806
@calhackit9806 2 года назад
maths is complete, just it's only internally consistant. all this is nonsense.
@liguow
@liguow 2 года назад
@@calhackit9806 keep telling yourself that :)
@epicmarschmallow5049
@epicmarschmallow5049 2 года назад
@@calhackit9806 mathematics is provably incomplete. That's what Goedels incompleteness theorems tells us. In order to make the claim "maths is complete", you need to disprove Goedel's theorems, rather than just decry them as nonsense
@jasonsmith4114
@jasonsmith4114 2 года назад
@@epicmarschmallow5049 Yeah but that's too much work I'm not capable of doing, so I would rather call it nonsense on the internet.
@Irondragon1945
@Irondragon1945 2 года назад
There's something cathartic about even mathematics, something we both create and discover, having equally mysterious side as discoverries in nature and space.
@TheMcKenzieHaus
@TheMcKenzieHaus 2 года назад
Agreed, the inherent mystery of the universe, it’s pretty fascinating
@historicwine1283
@historicwine1283 2 года назад
I think it shows that mathematics isn't merely invented
@danielleanderson3971
@danielleanderson3971 Год назад
So this is what has plagued me for 5 years. Thanks for helping me confirm it wasn't just me, TED.
@nicojapasmusic
@nicojapasmusic 2 года назад
Beautifully animated!
@Gala-yp8nx
@Gala-yp8nx 2 года назад
Alternative Title: How to give a Mathematician an existential crisis.
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 2 года назад
Kind of. But we settled to not think about it too often. I think most mathematicians have accepted by now that we do have no natural right to proofs. Everything we can prove is basically a miracle. And in some way, that makes it even more exciting. Now it's like, "Look, guys! I fought the universe and won!"
@_VISION.
@_VISION. 2 года назад
@@lonestarr1490 I guess it depends on how fixated the mathematician is on the assumption that maths will help them find Truth.
@user-hm3ni1wd3f
@user-hm3ni1wd3f Год назад
so gödel have himself an existential crisis, because he was also a mathematician
@josephm.6453
@josephm.6453 2 года назад
"Godel rocked a mohawk in real life". This statement cannot be proved
@temkin9298
@temkin9298 2 года назад
To which reality are we talking about? ~ A random dimensional hopper
@interdimensionalgoober8769
@interdimensionalgoober8769 2 года назад
It cannot be proved that the original poster of this comment was referring to the mathematician Godel, and was instead referring to any other person named Godel.
@YEC999
@YEC999 2 года назад
No it's just nonsense
@Daniel_Ilyich
@Daniel_Ilyich 2 года назад
I don’t really understand what it is that Godel did at 1:53. Turning mathematical statements into random numbers is supposed to facilitate what, exactly?
@briansammond7801
@briansammond7801 4 месяца назад
1) He didn't convert mathematical statements into random numbers. He converted them into numbers in an orderly fashion according to a specific scheme that was universal. We all do the same habitually now via our computers, smart phones, etc., with ASCII, Unicode, binary, etc., for numbers and also image and video formats for photos (jpeg, png, etc.) and video (mp4, avi). All of these, at their very basis are just numbers. Everything in every computer essentially does the same thing that Godel did. 2) Having converted everything to numbers, he described how to them put those numbers into specific functions (which also could be described as numbers). We do the same. We feed a .docx word document (which is really just a complicated number) into a word processor (Microsoft Word, which itself is just a complicated number) and we can manipulate it. Same with images and video. We take an mp4 (a complicated number) and feed it into VLC (a video program, also just a number) or RU-vid (a complicated number we get online) and watch a video. 3) Godel did the same, but he fed his numbers into a specific function, which was a function that purported to be able to determine whether a given function was provable. He was able to show that a specific number that he could construct using his numbering scheme would have a numeric representation that corresponded to the mathematical statement that that statement itself was unprovable. The details of that are highly technical, just as the details of how Microsoft Word works, or RU-vid works, are also highly technical. I've greatly simplified things here, but I hope the analogy of how we now convert everything into numbers for computer purposes helps to illustrate how and why he did what he did.
@briansammond7801
@briansammond7801 4 месяца назад
If you want a more detailed explanation, search for Veritasium Godel, and watch Veritasium's video,which is titled "Math's Fundamental Flaw"
@laumoreri5983
@laumoreri5983 2 года назад
Gödel and Turing are my idols. Turing's Turing machine and Gödel's Gödel number both brought to life my adoration for mathematics and motivation to work in the field. Thx guys.
@goertzpsychiatry9340
@goertzpsychiatry9340 2 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-voWzbIE6ZRs.html
@stellaleicht4035
@stellaleicht4035 Год назад
And both came about to prove hilbert wrong
@ronald3836
@ronald3836 10 месяцев назад
@@stellaleicht4035 I also like the outcome of Hilbert's 10th problem: give an algorithm for finding the solutions of a diophantine equation (the integral solutions of a polynomial equation in multiple variables with integral coefficients). In 1970 Matiyasevich completed the proof that any computer program (any turing machine) can be encoded as a diophantine equation. Since there is no algorithm for the halting problem, the algorithm that Hilbert asked for does not exist. ChatGPT can be rewritten as a diophantine equation. Don't try this at home.
@EconAtheist
@EconAtheist 10 дней назад
Two tragic figures, themselves.
@Mkhehla
@Mkhehla 2 года назад
"There are known unkowns, and there are unknown unknowns... Things we don't know that we don't know!!"
@stansantos4733
@stansantos4733 2 года назад
May Rumsfeld Rest In Peace.
@rogerforsberg3910
@rogerforsberg3910 2 года назад
@@stansantos4733 I believe that this came from Rumsfeld's recollection of the Allegory of the Cave from Plato's Republic (Book VII).
@topg2820
@topg2820 2 года назад
He said it to justify the Iraq war, what he didn't tell people is that the 4th kind is also there, the unknown known which would have prevented the war, looking at what transpired since then we know the answer now, his statement was a very elaborate cope for an excuse to start a war in Iraq
@senkottuvelan
@senkottuvelan 2 года назад
Now that's confusion ladies and gentlemen.
@MM-ux1kl
@MM-ux1kl 7 месяцев назад
I like that in 3:42 the human is Gilbert who believed that math is comple and you can prove every true statement, and now after discovering Gödels incompleteness theorem he suffers the most
@Ken-S
@Ken-S 2 года назад
Wow! He was 5 year earlier than Alan Turing solved the Halting Problem. Which actually is the same kind idea. That's awesome!
@nero1273
@nero1273 2 года назад
Mathematicians: You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Godel: Yes
@robinbruce7838
@robinbruce7838 2 года назад
That made me laugh way too hard 😂😂😂
@miglemaya3967
@miglemaya3967 Год назад
I see what you're doing there
@o_0_Lucifer
@o_0_Lucifer Год назад
@@robinbruce7838 can u prove??😂😂
@pan_nekdo
@pan_nekdo 3 месяца назад
Fun fact (actually pretty sad): Goedel went insane. He thought everyone except his wife wanted to poison him. When she ^went to hospital for longer/died (I dunno what it was) he starved himself to death. 😊
@TristanSamuel
@TristanSamuel 2 года назад
Me: "Breaks math" Teacher: That's cheating.
@lucypogcute
@lucypogcute 2 года назад
Me: *dies*
@user-zs4gn2gn6p
@user-zs4gn2gn6p 2 года назад
Gray: "we don't need Math where we're going"
@Noname-67
@Noname-67 2 года назад
If you could mathematically break math, your teacher would impress (if only they're good at math, ofc)
@user-ox7gh1hz8d
@user-ox7gh1hz8d 2 года назад
Me: Prove it!
@michagabo8819
@michagabo8819 2 года назад
When things were at their very worst: 2 Suns, Cross in the sky, 2 comets will collide = don`t be afraid - repent, accept Lord`s Hand of Mercy. Scientists will say it was a global illusion. Beaware - Jesus will never walk in flesh again. After WW3 - rise of the “ man of peace“ from the East = Antichrist - the most powerful, popular, charismatic and influential leader of all time. Many miracles will be attributed to him. He will imitate Jesus in every conceivable way. Don`t trust „pope“ Francis = the False Prophet - will seem to rise from the dead - will unite all Christian Churches and all Religions as one. One World Religion = the seat of the Antichrist. Benedict XVI is the last true pope - will be accused of a crime of which he is totally innocent. "Many events, including ecological upheavals, wars, the schism in My Church on Earth, the dictatorships in each of your nations - bound as one, at its very core - will all take place at the same time." 1 November 2012 The Book of Truth
@jimintae3284
@jimintae3284 2 года назад
i really loved the sound effects too..!!!
@jason_em
@jason_em 2 года назад
The sounds in this one are so satisfying
@PrashantKg1996
@PrashantKg1996 2 года назад
Glados: This sentence is false. Wheatley: True, I'll go true
@generalezaknenou
@generalezaknenou 2 года назад
if you are in the danger of robots just close your eyes and shout out :
@jackbolitho7404
@jackbolitho7404 2 года назад
This has absolutely nothing to do with the video, but I saw a dude with an Aperture Science t-shirt today and hope was reinstalled in me for the future
@BigMoistRat
@BigMoistRat 2 года назад
Me trying to explain to my maths teacher why I didn’t do my homework:
@uhmhahayeah1749
@uhmhahayeah1749 2 года назад
the sounds are so lovely to my ears
@The_NSeven
@The_NSeven 4 месяца назад
Love the animations here :)
@omarperez7415
@omarperez7415 2 года назад
Gödel really went above and beyond to say "The situation here is that the question is badly worded" and he was right.
@princemachiavelli6570
@princemachiavelli6570 2 года назад
Well Math is much more complicated than human language
@destractgodren5976
@destractgodren5976 2 года назад
Yes I agree
@LLlap
@LLlap 2 года назад
@@princemachiavelli6570 wait, whos language is it if not human?
@voltydequa845
@voltydequa845 Год назад
«Gödel really went above and beyond to say "The situation here is that the question is badly worded" and he was right.» ---- Imho attention is to be paid to how HE worded it.
@brijeshsingh8460
@brijeshsingh8460 2 года назад
In short: self reference with negation ruins everything
@Noname-67
@Noname-67 2 года назад
There are more than that
@newname8988
@newname8988 2 года назад
@@Noname-67 see halting problem
@tylee9373
@tylee9373 2 года назад
I see no problem simplifying your shortcoming
@fragileomniscience7647
@fragileomniscience7647 2 года назад
If a liar lies, does he say the truth?
@tranhuynhdung4809
@tranhuynhdung4809 2 года назад
@@fragileomniscience7647 no, he's lying, hence he is not saying the truth
@duh.itsyaboi
@duh.itsyaboi 11 месяцев назад
hats off to the animators and the sound effects team
@user-mq5um1ky6n
@user-mq5um1ky6n Год назад
Your video is really cool and amazing! I want to be good at math like you!
@akshatpathrikar7080
@akshatpathrikar7080 2 года назад
my dude hilbert at the end was badly injured yet still happy to celebrate gödel's achievements.
@guymanperson1
@guymanperson1 2 года назад
I chuckled at that bit
@cooperlucas2846
@cooperlucas2846 2 года назад
“If it’s not true and not false, what is it?” Me: “A waste of time”
@royroos8036
@royroos8036 2 года назад
Exactly. Whats even the use of this? Waste of time indeed
@mycrowsoffed
@mycrowsoffed 2 года назад
@@royroos8036 Maybe, maybe not.
@creetan9997
@creetan9997 2 года назад
Nothing. It doesn't exist. Something that doesn't exist is neither true or false because there is nothing there for it to be true or false.
@MartinPoulter
@MartinPoulter 2 года назад
@@royroos8036 The insights discussed in the video led to, among other things, the development of computers, so it seems the exact opposite of a waste of time.
@lechihieu2606
@lechihieu2606 2 года назад
@@MartinPoulter but why we need a computer?
@XShollaj
@XShollaj 2 года назад
Love how Godel rocks that Mohawk, sort of like a punk rock mathematician
@alimuhammedkhorasi8743
@alimuhammedkhorasi8743 Год назад
Thank you very much!
@piruletaortizcasillas2730
@piruletaortizcasillas2730 2 года назад
thank youuu Ted Ed! it was one of the best projects i've worked on, and im glad people are enjoying our animations :> !!!
@lenl8004
@lenl8004 2 года назад
Your art is so good!
@piruletaortizcasillas2730
@piruletaortizcasillas2730 2 года назад
@@lenl8004 thank you! :>
@hilaryjimenez1444
@hilaryjimenez1444 2 года назад
Your art is beautiful ❤
@newname8988
@newname8988 2 года назад
The dislikes may be by those who understand why this simplified version can be argued to be erroneous.
@kcb5989
@kcb5989 2 года назад
That's precisely correct it was an oversimplified explanation and most people misunderstood it.
@guymanperson1
@guymanperson1 2 года назад
The time it took to write this comment could have been used to create and post a copy-pasta of relevant URL links, search engine terms, and a brief message. With the assumption, of course, that spreading knowledge is your mission as opposed to self-admiration. *This copypasta was created on 7-4-2007. Please reuse.*
@darana1142
@darana1142 2 года назад
@@guymanperson1 brilliant
@gravysamich
@gravysamich 7 часов назад
This is the first video on the incompleteness theorem that actually makes sense to me. I understood the idea before, but most explanations i have seen don't really feel like they actually say more than the fact that mathematics is incomplete because reasons.
@user-zb3dh9se2r
@user-zb3dh9se2r Год назад
I have understood nothing but it's a very interesting matter 😉
@imnotvladimirputin
@imnotvladimirputin 2 года назад
0:22 It's Tralse
@yourday1363
@yourday1363 2 года назад
this channel educates us in a way that's so visually and mentally pleasing , i hope current educational systems would do something similar !
@elizabethr3958
@elizabethr3958 2 года назад
thanks for breaking my brain, TED Ed
@thatgamerboy3467
@thatgamerboy3467 Год назад
i love watching this video whilst not understanding most of it
@youraveragepersonwalkingth6850
@youraveragepersonwalkingth6850 2 года назад
Whenever something is unprovable true I’m just gonna call it tralse
@snipereyez7799
@snipereyez7799 2 года назад
Why not Falue
@vexhoopval
@vexhoopval 2 года назад
Frue
@annaclarafenyo8185
@annaclarafenyo8185 2 года назад
All meaningful statements are provable. Godel is simply saying that the process of producing stronger mathematical theories goes on forever.
@youraveragepersonwalkingth6850
@youraveragepersonwalkingth6850 2 года назад
Then prove this statement is false by it being tralse.
@youraveragepersonwalkingth6850
@youraveragepersonwalkingth6850 2 года назад
@Hand Grabbing Fruits Dammit you’re right
@sznio
@sznio 2 года назад
The animator did an extremely good job with this video.
@jajanken8917
@jajanken8917 2 года назад
great animations!
@devilefty3814
@devilefty3814 2 года назад
He translated it and doubted math but he didn't doubt his translation. Truly a "mastermind"
@vitalismed
@vitalismed Год назад
He translated it Because he doubted the certainties of it. His translation only pointed out the flaws. Go back to the video and watch it again because you didn't get it. And also, in a way you are right, but this is next next level, if you know what I mean
@voltydequa845
@voltydequa845 Год назад
You too spotted on it. p.s. if you there, read my other answer to the "next level" guy that answered you.
@voltydequa845
@voltydequa845 Год назад
@@vitalismed «He translated it Because he doubted the certainties of it. His translation only pointed out the flaws. Go back to the video and watch it again because you didn't get it. And also, in a way you are right, but this is next next level, if you know what I mean» ---- It is you that should go back and think about "what is a translation" (what has to satisfy etc etc). A hint: transliteration is not a synonym for translation. Save me eventual further parroting lessons on next levels.
@vitalismed
@vitalismed Год назад
@Volty De Qua woah man chill, you’re tensing so hard
@voltydequa845
@voltydequa845 Год назад
@@vitalismed «woah man chill, you’re tensing so hard» ---- Can't. I feel like an inflamed chord when I smell parroting dressed as lecturing. Anyway your previous comment was more than tensed. I gave you a hint - follow it, or ignore me and continue with your recital.
@EvandroSchulz
@EvandroSchulz 2 года назад
I'm a mathematician. The animation of the video was very cool. However, many concepts put in this video are difficult for a layman (including many mathematicians). This theorem does not deny or refute that 'a chair exists', he argues about some existing indeterminations when trying to 'prove' that 'a chair exists' within a very specific context. Basically, the foundations of the mathematical thought consist of axioms. Axioms is what is 'pure faith', but not a 'blind faith'. An almost religious essential of mathematics. For they are 'things' that you cannot prove exist by definition. But if you assume that they exist and are true, everything you build from them makes sense and is consistent. Mathematics is beautifully built on top of axioms. A specific part in which one seeks to prove this consistency in a specific context is about Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem argues. This question is addressed mainly regarding the philosophers of mathematics who question the consistency of demonstration methods. And maybe you ask yourself, why are people worried about this? Well, stop to think about computers. How does when entering your bank password, what makes the computer 'validate' that the number 6 you typed is actually 6, instead of 9?
@sivaprasath3638
@sivaprasath3638 2 года назад
what exactly is "mathematician" ? I understand the context , but the phrase "I am a mathematician" , is that a job ?
@tanishqarora2647
@tanishqarora2647 2 года назад
what do mathematicians do on a daily basis?
@MFSomething
@MFSomething 2 года назад
@@tanishqarora2647 they do research and teach university classes usually
@madscientist1595
@madscientist1595 2 года назад
@@tanishqarora2647 They eat math as breakfast. xD
@youknowwho9247
@youknowwho9247 2 года назад
Strikes me as something that's only really a problem if you're on the side of the fence that claims that mathematics is discovered. If you take the view that mathematics is invented, then resting on unprovable axioms isn't really something that will shake your confidence too much. Seems a bit like building a house: If you put one brick on top of the other the right way, you'll end up with a building. This is true as long as bricks are what we mean when we say the word. We don't need to prove how they are what they are if all we care about is building a house.
@hexagon5610
@hexagon5610 2 года назад
3:43 love the David Hilbert reference with "We must know, we will know!"
@segmentsAndCurves
@segmentsAndCurves 2 года назад
Haha I feel bad for Hilbert.
@damnguen1726
@damnguen1726 2 года назад
@@segmentsAndCurves i heard that he died before the discovery of Godel theorum
@WolfgangGalilei
@WolfgangGalilei 2 года назад
@@damnguen1726 nope: Hilbert died in 1943 while Gödel published his paper in 1931 a darn full dozen years of misery for ma mann Hilbert
@damnguen1726
@damnguen1726 2 года назад
@@WolfgangGalilei tks, for Hilbert that is depressing
@sciencefordreamers2115
@sciencefordreamers2115 Год назад
Excellent!
@sanskritikapoor337
@sanskritikapoor337 9 месяцев назад
for some reason this video made me so happy
@michaelnelson2976
@michaelnelson2976 2 года назад
Ahh! This is always the case, but what a good mini lecture with such lovely art to back it up! I am always amazed!
@jamesyan3510
@jamesyan3510 2 года назад
Smarter than me, that's for sure.
@rehan4223
@rehan4223 2 года назад
sussy baka
@shinseiki2015
@shinseiki2015 2 года назад
sometime you don't need proof
@SG003
@SG003 2 года назад
I didn't fully understand it but sounds very important
@iwetmyplants2602
@iwetmyplants2602 2 года назад
I love all the references to other mathematicians like Noether and Hilbert.
@faceless-x-abberation8400
@faceless-x-abberation8400 2 года назад
That was extremely interesting lol. I happened to pass by it while scrolling for something to watch. The video played with no sound, but had subtitles. So I sat and watched the whole thing while reading along to what was being said. Thanks for the video.
@akankshasharma7498
@akankshasharma7498 2 года назад
Every once in a while, all we need is a wild Gödel to show up
@j.s.ospina9861
@j.s.ospina9861 Год назад
"It's Gödels all the way down" is my new favorite phrase
@danielbarrera8101
@danielbarrera8101 8 месяцев назад
The first statement is insubstantial. It’s like just saying “I’m lying”
@johnbeltran2736
@johnbeltran2736 2 года назад
"He translated mathematical statements and equations into code numbers". Ah, there's the problem.
@annaclarafenyo8185
@annaclarafenyo8185 2 года назад
That 'translation' is just unicode.
@davidwight5974
@davidwight5974 2 года назад
right thats what i was thinking once you change the equation into code it no longer is an equation cant change it into something completly different and act like its the same thing
@annaclarafenyo8185
@annaclarafenyo8185 2 года назад
@@davidwight5974 That's not the important part of what Godel did, it's just stupidly obvious, so that's what incompetent popularizers present. The main idea of Godel is that a system of proving things about numbers can prove things about computer programs, because computer programs are sequences of large numbers (the content of your computer's memory is a gigantic number with as many binary digits as you have bits inside your computer and hard-drive). So any statement about computer programs is a statement about numbers. Further, you can program a computer to reason mathematically, and use a mathematical system. So now you can write a computer program which prints its own code out into a file, then starts looking in the mathematical system for a proof of "the code in that file never stops". If it ever finds this proof, it stops. Since the code in the file is its own code, the computer program is looking for a proof of "I do not stop running" at which point, it stops running. If it finds the proof, it stops running and makes the mathematical system into a liar. If it doesn't find the proof, that means it runs forever, and the mathematical system never proves this true fact, so it is incomplete. This is the entire proof of the theorem. The only slightly tricky bit is showing that a program can print out its own code into a file. That's a bit tricky, but not THAT tricky, it's an exercise for first year programming students.
@HarshDude126
@HarshDude126 2 года назад
@@davidwight5974 Actually, you can, because symbols and concepts are two different things. Mathematical concepts can be expressed in different ways. An equation is just one way. Just because you change those symbols to something else doesn't mean the original concept has changed.
@pcky6646
@pcky6646 2 года назад
Are you saying that his own arguments are also an axiom?
@mr.recorder4781
@mr.recorder4781 2 года назад
Gödel: Exists. *Every Mathmatician*: Years of academy training wasted!
@Undubbedriah
@Undubbedriah 2 года назад
LOLLLL
@kohwenxu
@kohwenxu 2 года назад
Meanwhile 50 years of attempts on trying to make mathematics complete basically is wasted All the attempts at the proofs, just to have someone find that it is impossible for mathematics to be complete F for the mathematicians who tried
@user-hm3ni1wd3f
@user-hm3ni1wd3f Год назад
gödel was a mathematician himself
@stableandhappy
@stableandhappy 2 месяца назад
Thank You ❤️🙏
@tripphathaway
@tripphathaway Год назад
Great video! As useful as mathematics is, we can only prove what our limited human minds can process. But there is truth outside of our ability to understand. There must be a handoff between mathematics and philosophy.
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