The Pass That Allows People to Fly for Free Forever 

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In any case... it's rich people screwing rich people in typical fashion.

Thats not true. One guy spent almost everything he owned on the pass. And this was when the pass was originally introduced at the cheapest price.

Malidictus I mean honestly though, these people are the exact problem with society and the reason every little thing has to be spelled out in a contract. Some things should be able to just be an agreement, there's absolutely no need to book a dozen flights on the same day just so you can lazily show up at the airport whenever you want. There's no need to book extra seats for your bags. And selling tickets like they did is unethical because you're stealing business without providing any service, like if I bought a CD and charged everyone a quarter to copy it for them, it's just unethical.

@@chrism7574 in general I see your point, but remember the booking of multiple flights, multiple seats etc. was often not something the customer thought of, but something they were specifically told, by airline employees, was a 'perk' of having this pass. As for the case of selling them, yeah, I can understand this being more of an 'issue,' but if not spelled out, there could often be an argument that even if not being directly monetarily compensated for the flight there are other compensations (I'm sure some people would use this in finding dates and the like, as well as simply talking to 'higher' class individuals, as in the case of the successful advertising guy; even a short amount of time could be worth a fair amount if the time was 'used correctly', i.e. Learning from, gaining business connections, etc.) If not specifically disallowed in the original contract the business could make up a great number of things like this, and say you were 'inappropriately abusing' the companion pass to gain compensation- monetary or otherwise. The problem with contracts being 'abused' like this definitely goes both ways, and in far more real life cases they are used to screw the customer, not the business who drafted said contract. In many case of contracts with this type of ambiguity, it is supposed to generally 'support' the party who didn't draft the actual contract, to help prevent businesses from abusing this exact type of situation -post agreement using said ambiguity to twist the contract to their (the business, those who drafted it) benefit by leaving it ambiguous in ways the consumer doesn't fully understand. Supposed to just be a short comment mostly agreeing actually, but in the real world 'simple agreements' are very problematic, and more often than not due to the draftees attempting to screw the other party.

Sheepy007 Spoken like someone who hasn't flown much...

freekzero I've been around the world a couple of times. Don't think flying First class is anything like economy.

freekzero Spoken like a narrow-minded hypocrite.

I was thinking the same thing. You'd get the free meals and free perks in the club room, and free meals on planes. Other than showers, you'd pretty much have anything you'd need. xd If you had just a small savings, you could travel the world living a life of luxury seeing every major city in the world. Also, freekzero, first class is nothing like economy. Economy is the annoying cousin of a Greyhound bus, first class is a limousine in comparison.

A lot of Business/First class lounges even offer showers so you are basically set. And you could combine that with a business model, offering your luggage weight as some sort of courier or start a blog/vlog type of thing, you'll even get paid for doing that.

vespers_ Agreed, that guy was a G.

My mother would be in heaven.

quite literally, some cultures still see the sky as the heavens, so she would be flying through Heaven daily lol

he said at the end you can buy them today 3.7 mil bruh

The Watcher no he didn't he said that the last time they were sold was in 2004 for $3 million ($3.7 million in today's currency), the A Airpasses they still sell are not unlimited.

There are people doing similar on cruise liners. Quite a few retirees have worked out it's cheaper to live on a cruise liner than live in a retirement home. I do like the idea of being able to fly anywhere, any time though...sigh...

Ah, but don't you see, in THAT case, YOU'RE paying THEM, that's why they're happy to make YOU pay for another ticket.

Yep. Checking in a violin would screw the instrument up. You gotta fight for the right to fiddle.

Connor Jensen I'm sure the pilots and aircrews that would stand to lose out if their companies go under would be really thrilled.

Derrick Bonsell If you work for an airline that consistently makes poor business decisions and extorts its customers, your job is at risk regardless.

***** Yeah, nice try but we all have a choice in the airlines we choose for our flights. They aren't healthcare. The public doesn't subsidize them. If they fuck up by fucking others over, THEY go out of business. Not us.

MrLessyam almost every time I've flown on an airplane there has never been a time I've seen the first class roll full.

So it really doesn't cost them that much more until you count in the free food and I mean how much can most of us non hot dog eating competitors really eat.

NWA got merged into Delta, thus one would have an unlimited flight pass valid with the newly formed airline.

I bet Delta would find a way to not honor it though

fromhelsinki you dimb

Chargers Bandwagon Knowing Delta, most probably.

you could sue them then... and get both the pass and some cash for a world taxi pass :)

Fuckmaster Sonic vibrator dildo 20000 Rothstein..

@@chriscrossuk You can't do better than the original, Bag Rothstein is paragon.

Yan Toha don’t all passengers need ID?

PaperBoy you mean Steven Rothstein

Killer D Nah mate. That's Ace Rothstein's brother. He runs the slot machines after that local stunad fucked up.

I'll buy that dude a drink!

You have an awesome spirit animal.

+Jayyy Zeee You know what though, with how stupid the idea was to begin with, watch as they ARE transferable.

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It's not what I'd do with a time machine. If I had a time machine, I would go to when a parachute company was going out of business and buy their inventory for next to nothing, and then go to the top of one of the towers on 9/11 and sell the parachutes for a million dollars each. That would be fun.

@@medexamtoolscom And then you would most likely be dead and be broke. Cause no one is going to hand you a million dollars randomly. Even if we were to be generous, most people don't even carry a couple hundred dollars on them. At best you would maybe able to extort a couple hundred or a few thousand from people if you had a credit card machine. But at the end of the day most people would just cancel the charge on their credit card after the incident or weasel out of paying it since they would have no actual obligation to pay you since what you are doing would be considered extortion. And even if everything you did went according to plan, you would most likely be arrested for being a terrorist since you knew about the attack before hand and didn't report it.

As he says in the video, no. Once you go past a certain income bracket, the people of the business you are a patron of actually starts telling you about loopholes, since by then you are apparently worthy of getting all the cheat codes for free. Capitalism at its finest.

@@Reddotzebra corporatism and idiocy of some airlines please

@@Reddotzebra They'd probably figure it out anyway, though. You don't get rich by being stupid, after all.

Well, you wouldn't even need qualified pilots that were depressed. You could pick your two worst pilots(lowest skill, reprimands, etc) and assign them to the plane. Find someone that has a terroristic mind and convince him to hijack it. Stow him away inside, let him "hi-jack it," and crash it into the ocean so he can kill all those crappy ole rich folk! Takes someone with some knowledge to get a plane in the air and steady... Anyone with a hand can crash it straight down.

Then get your entire corporation shut down! yayyyyyyyy

Terminator There is not a single multi-billion dollar company that hasn't done something that should warrant them being shut down already and not being in operation, no exception. It's called keeping it a secret.

It ain't easy to keep a plane crash that ironic quiet.

Eric Taylor there's a Germanwings copilot that has an excellent resume for that exact kind of job... Never mind he's no longer available.

Alas, I expect the pass dies with the person who bought it.

There was probably a non-assignment clause in the contract, but it is conceivable that the earlier passes lacked them, but even then you could only enjoy the benefits pur autre vie (until the original purchaser dies).

non reply, maybe most of them die in those air accident

Even if they could gift them to someone else like a bus pass it would still be worth way to much for anyone to just hand you for free. They would likely auction it off or sell it to a friend

It's for the rest of THEIR lives. That means it isn't transferable. It's like those cash 4 life lotteries they used to have. It's not cash 4 eternity, the whole point is it's YOUR life. You also can't go to an all you can eat buffet, and then when you've eaten all you can, tag out and tag in your friend who will use your admission to eat all he can eat, and then transfer it to someone else when he's eaten all he can.

Caleb Mack Yeah, dude. I know that. But it still isn't "free". :^)

you also risk that very slight chance of having a plane crash

Caleb Mack but it is still dangerous

But the chances of that happening are so small you could say that about anything, dude. Why even bring it up? We were just talking about how it isn't free, not the dangers of it.

pyre78 I was pointing out that not only was it not free but that it is dangerous to fly no matter how small the danger is anything could happen up there and you won't have medical attention

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S Quu Yeah :)

"In the US we have credit cards that give you like 2 miles per dollar you spend if you're credit score is really good" Which ones?

I believe the companion pass, was intented for a physical person. Bag Rothstein isn't actually a person. So it was probably a breach of the terms and conditions. No law was broken, but if you break terms and conditions of a service it can be revoked.

I've seen cases where airlines tried to charge overly fat people for two seats. If he paid for the two seats fair and square, then the airline shouldn't be messing with him. Not his fault they screwed up with this terrible deal for themselves.

Bloodbath and Beyond Yeah I agree not really his fault, but since the airline was losing money, they went from being lax with the rules, to coming down with an iron fist. The rules weren't changed but the enforcement of them was.

I'm surprised the judge didn't see through this and say, sorry you've been so lax over the years regarding policy, and now you've changed your mind? You can't have it both ways. But in fairness, since it was only 66 people out of the million people (or however many fly AA a year) it's hard to enforce the rules, since it's so rare to meet someone with this pass.

the actual profit margin on an airline is.... quite small. most of your normal ticket price goes to fuel, another big chunk goes to paying off the aircraft, taxes and several airspace fees eat up more, and $10-$15 is profit. it's why cheap airlines don't give you complementary food or make you use automated checkin.

candiduscorvus they received 66million if you've got someone buying 2 $25000 tickets every week that'd be $2.5 million have 10 people do it and it'd be 25 million now imagine that for 20 years $500.000.000, and that's not even worst case scenario

Why would they revoke it if they weren't losing money on it? It's hardly the kind of item the masses would suddenly show out to buy!

Your calculation is way off. Giving out a 25k ticket for free isn't losing 25k. 1st class is rarely overbooked, so for the most part this seat would've been empty anyway.

Totally different. thats something you get for free, but its designed to keep you loyal to them. they give you a wheel alignment in the hope that you'll come back and buy tires from them. and according to you it works. The AA unlimited card was designed to get people to invest a big amount of money into something they'd not use often. Say at $1000 a ticket normal price the buyer of the first card needed 600 trips to get his money's worth. Most people don't fly that much in their lifetime. then again most people won't spend $600k on a card they wouldn't use.

Renax the Man You are right, I was just very careful not to buy anything else at Firestone unless I couldn't get it cheaper elsewhere.

jsbrads1 when you came back for the free alignment I'm sure they recommended oil changes and checked for other problems to get you to spend more.

Think Formyself yup, just don't have the largess to spend so I'm really careful to bid work out (so to speak) as opposed to yeah I'll just pay whatever they ask.

I’ve had too many problems with Firestone over the years to bother. I get better service and better deals at the locally owned ‘mom and pop’ tire shop down the street than at Firestone.

Yeah, so they could lose a million dollars a year per pass owner?

TheJustin574 if the average 1st class flight with food and drink costs ~1.5K, you could easily pay for the pass itself within a few years

yeah you buy the pass you then fly for free forever, its in the fucking title you numbskull

Passes are never fucking free

The Watcher You contradicted yourself. You BUY the pass then you fly forever. Paying 500K - 3 million for a pass isn't free.

Sort of like a computer application called CCleaner. Lots of people pronounce it CC-Cleaner.

I'd pronounce it C-Cleaner...

BoomBrush I was thinking that there has to be someone somewhere pouncing it CC-Leaner...

Too bad a huge company like American Airlines or the multimillionaires who bought the tickets couldn't afford smart lawyers, huh?

Smart lawyers would have written the initial contract better. Getting out of it later though is trickier.

The plane would have flown anyway. regardless of weather you got on or not.

carbon footprint, what a load of shit. any politician pushing that shit has one 100x more than the average person, but of course any future carbon taxes, etc. will not be for them...

The plane still has to burn fuel to transport your weight though, so you are still adding to the flight's carbon footprint.

ya and about a quarter mill in fuel every trip

The overheads that come with owning a plane are enormous. Maintenance becomes as much as the cost of the plane in a very short time.

It depends on what plane. You could get a twin prop plane for as low as $200k, train and get your own license and fly yourself. It wont be as quick going around the world, but you can land in smaller airports closer to your destination and keep 2.8mil for fuel and travel expenses

And have to pay for fuel, pilots, insurance, maintenance, and all the fees and permits associated with landing anywhere.

Sam Sloan *and* pay a flight crew with it for *at least* a few years, too! depending on the cost of the private plane's storage and maintenance fees. 👍👍

You'd be able to pay for any flights you need, but that doesn't mean you would be able to take a flight to go for a fancy dinner and go back home and shit like that. That's not quite pass abuse, in my opinion. At least not in the way that booking every flight and showing up at the airport whenever is abuse.

MegaKaitouKID1412 I would literally be taking any chance to take a flight.

It's first class, though. I just looked up a few flights. NYC to Honolulu $8169 NYC to London $20103 NYC to Tokyo $22879 So you could chew through the $1 million in 50 flights. That's also ignoring inflation. 30 years from now, that Tokyo flight will be $50k at historical inflation rates.

Nathan Berrigan Who in their right mind would pay that much for a flight? For what? A couple inches more leg room? Nobody needs to fly first class. Even if I was a millionaire I wouldn't choose the most expensive flights I could find just because I could afford it.

***** You do realise the length of those flights, right? Flights exist that are 10 hours long, and you might not think so now, but actually having leg room and decent food on a flight that long... some people with money think it's a luxury worth paying for.But 50 flights, 100 flights, 200 flights... over a lifetime, you could easily use more than that million in flights even without flying first class, if you're an avid traveller.

Yes, it was.

... did you even watch the video?

Underscore void while that is a smart move I don't think it really affects the bottom line of AA. Since only 66 passes were sold and quite a number of them revoked since. Even if all 66 passengers flew on the same flights every time AA still has thousands of other flights which would have generated enough revenue to offset those passenger's costs. The loss of revenue which AA claimed, I assume, is based on a RSM model which is not a true reflection of their actual revenue takings. It is impossible for AA to have full flights on all of their flights right? It would probably cost the same for an aircraft to fly a 2 hour route with 98 passengers as it would 105 (cargo exclusive). So what AA has claimed is probably just a smokescreen to hide their incompetence in cost management. The fact that AA generated the money from the initial sale of these tickets , rolled and compounded has also not been factored in here

Wow a smart person on earth i like you

And they couldn't do a damn thing about it as long as you didn't sell tickets to others or book unnecessary seats.

deezynar Thanks for the tip(no sarcasm)

My pleasure. There are myriad types of specialist experts who you should consult before making big decisions of assorted types: engineers, doctors, lawyers, architects, etc. Few people think about consulting with a con artist though. I understand that there are a few out there who were caught, then decided it would be better if they used their skills to help people keep from becoming scammed. They can spot their clients vulnerabilities. I hear that hackers are often hired to do that sort of thing in cyberspace. I can't name any consulting con artists off the top of my head, but I remember reading a book years ago about a con artist who became a consultant.

Or a very good birthday present to a less wealthy friend :)

Less wealthy "friend?" "Oh, I noticed you've only got a $30 mil mansion while mine is $65 mil, and with its own yacht parking. Oh well, guess I'd give you unlimited first class flights for the rest of your life. "

Of course you operate in a whole different way then they do. All the money you don't use for food, board, and water (only the things you need) goes towards someone else who has unmet needs... Right?

Well there is the companion one.