The Path of Titans identity crisis 

Path of nuts is one of my favorite games feel like it has more freedom than other games since the community can make mods

I have literally zero problem with the trailers. When I watch World of Warcraft trailers... their trailers; cinematic, theatrical and in-game rendered are designed to tell a story or reveal the plot of the expansion, NOT to give players an idea of how the game's going to play. That'd be stupid if this was the expectation. Think of games that play exclusively in orthographic views. WOW a highly detailed cinematic from a bird's eye view only. 'What's that? Just make the camera normal like every other cinematic'. 'Oh no, they'd get confused because that doesn't explain what the game's design is like. It'd be like we're lying to them!' Sure, they won't be under the expectation that it's an acorn pick-up simulator (currently). Players make their own content, rather that be totally emersed or the complete opposite like me where all I want to do is murder anything that moves because it's not in my friend group because I'm a PVP-er and I see Dinosaurs as player characters/tools to use. A trailer is not going to tell me how to play - the research I do outside of the trailer is what will ultimately convince me to play a game. Cinematics and trailers are designed to garner interest in their product in the hopes of luring customers in. While other forms of media would be better suited to display on gameplay features. An example being - gameplay trailers. I would be offended as a player if Path of Titans approached an advertisement-firm and told them to make a trailer as accurate as possible to the game's current design. You'd be dumping money down the toilet. I can appreciate Path of Titan's current micro-story driven trailers for a content drop as is and doesn't deceive my expectations of the game. As consumers, we should be doing our own research on the products we spend our money on and there are several avenues to do so.

What bothers me is how hunts and general survival are portrayed in the trailers. You see Juvis screaming from a cliff (they would get killed soon). You see Allo ambushing Camptos but he didn’t bite, he just roars🤦‍♂️

I feel like this is specifically not an issue because POT isn't trying to do what you're asking of it

I feel like this genre has obsessed enough over immersion. If Path of Titans wants to lean more into being an MMO over an immersive survival game then that'd be cool to me. I want dinosaur games that are okay with not being immersive sims. I don't hate the most of the popular "play as a dinosaur" games for being simulators, as my problem is moreso that there's not really anything else. The lack of variety is tiring, and if you want other types of gameplay with dinosaurs then they take a backseat and aren't playable (like ARK, Paleo Pines, or Jurassic World Evolution). Basically I really want Monster Hunter with playable dinosaurs. That's my ultimate "I wish this were a thing" type game

This is one of the opinions that I would say is just outright wrong, it's focusing on a problem that I don't feel is there. Path of Titans is a Dinosaur game that has found a lot of success and I feel that's because it's more of a sandbox game. Yes, the base game is a weird mix of MMO and realism survival however that base game isn't PoT's biggest strength, the community servers are. You can truly find any experience that you want with a stable player base to boot, want realism? We have that. Want death match? We have that. Want capture the flag? We (will) have that. Compared this to The Isle and you realize why PoT works so well, because unlike The Isle that can only be one thing, a realistic dinosaur survival game, Path of Titans can be anything and everything all at once. So no, Path of Titans does not have an identify crisis, it knows what it wants to be and it wants to be whatever the players of Path want it to be.

To me, the issue is that the trailers show carnivores hunting herbivores but the reality is that when you play the game it's usually herbivores that hunt carnivores because for some reason herbivores are stronger than the carnivores that are supposed to hunt them

This is a non issue. Literally not an issue at all. The trailers are to show off the models, the new attacks or features etc. Community servers will always be the same and thats why most people play community servers. I play realism servers all the time. The first time ive disagreed with you this hard

This comment section is telling me largely two things (albeit the video hasn’t been out for long as of now) People either enjoy the game, liking the versatility of the base game and commemorating it for the player made content and importantly supporting the player made content and mods. Seemingly very rare among the dinosaur simulator games (granted I don’t know about the mod situation in Beast of Bermuda) Or people are dunking on it for having stupid quests, the combat, hotspots, MMO elements, or lag/connection issues. Usually accompanied with some variation of “I just play BoB/The Isle/ect., it’s just better” it seems the The Isle is the more common pick of those. In summary, I don’t think it’s really that serious. PoT is the only one that is on console, plus cross platform mod support. BoB has more specialist features with the skill tree for individual players and playables. The Isle is for the hardcore realistic survival player with high risk and high reward every time you engage with another player. PoT is the only one I play as a console player and I think it’s great, and I hope to play BoB eventually when I get a better PC. The Isle is a little to serious for as casual a player I am. Y’all can complain all you want, I’m gonna enjoy the games I choose to play

Silly to see you criticize the Isle's obsession with immersion & realism but then turn around and say Path needs to prioritize dino realism over the sandbox MMO style they've always said they're actually making.

Imo the main problem is that pot lacks direction. It doesn't seem like they know what they want. I bought a dinosim game, the game that's marketed for us. If the game becomes dinosaur team fight tactics I am not sticking around. Who am i kidding it already is dinosaur team fight tactics. But perhaps the devs wake up one day and decide to bring back solo play. Maybe one day they realize that forcing everyone to group up, nukes the playability for everyone. Even for the people in groups.

The thing that bothers me the most its the community servers in general, nearly every server has all the mods, most mods are modslop and many mods are just redesigns of official dinos (usually better), the rules are usually either too realistic or too less, the people dont act like realism in realism servers, neither fight in pvp servers, everyones way too salty about rulebreaks and worst of all everyone just sticks to gp and ic, most of the time i just starve to death as carni, because i dont wanna be in hotspots The only server that kinda mitigates this is Islanders, because it mainly has only the good mods and the rules are not excessive

PoT being a complete sandbox is one of its biggest strengths. It does not need to pick when both options have found a sustainable playerbase. There is no issue here.

This is a weird take, The realism scene in pot is way bigger than on the isle or bob. Path said from the start that realism was not a focus, i feel that pot doesnt focus on realism but also doesnt work againts it,and with the addition of other gamemodes we can see an even variety in the playerbase. Realism servers are prevalent here due to the freedom of roleplay and the facts that pot let us edit stats,growth and terrain accentuates that freedom we as a playerbase have, i have the same train of thought as other people here, lol, wow and alot of other games show us a different side in the trailer to inmerse us in the world and i dont think pot is an exception.

Don’t take this the wrong way but paths true biggest issue is lack of gameplay loop I think every single dinosaur game misses the point of SOMETHING anything to do path gave us quests boring pointless quests and path also suffers from hotspots it’s hard to find anyone outside of crater and until these get fixed I can see myself playing this game regularly

I don’t think this is a real issue. If you want mmo and just free for all then play officials. But there are plenty of realism based community servers that are very immersive imo

You are basically asking for roleplay servers which the game already has. These servers have rules that force you to play how the dinosaur would have acted in real life.

For those of us who play on the realism servers, we quite enjoy what the trailers portray. since players already know what pot is like- it doesn't give us different ideas from what the trailiers show. The cinematics are so good :)

I mean.... Path of Titans is VERY clearly promoting it's game as an MMO rather than a survival game, so yeah the ui will be like an MMO, player housing is going to be a thing, the quests will also be there (they could get an update tho), as well as mixpacking which could be seen as different classes like in most MMORPGS (allo=dmg, rex=tank, etc). If someone wants an immersive experience, it is present, on community servers. So I see no problems here, especially since PoT gives the MOST customizability and freedom to it's players out of any dinosaur games

Path of titans is nice because you have choice. You can play on servers with crazy mods because why not, it’s fun, but you can also play on realism servers where it is incredibly immersive like on PTR

I've been watching your videos for a while now, and been very much on your side, but this time i have to strongly disagree about what's been said here. Firstly cause trailers are ALWAYS meant to lure people in some way. Secondly you have to like the game itself, but that's on you, i've never let a trailer decide if i like a game or not: look at bob or the isle, looking at the trailer those are immersive mmo rpg with "chill" dinos that fight just when they have to, while in the actual game it looks like a TPS with dinos. This video is a really free rant and i'm not sure why you did this..

Tbh, I'm fine with the game being an MMO at its core, but I would love to see the devs add more realistic mechanics for thoes players who want to play that realistic style.

Thanks for showcasing a clip from one of my videos! Really appreciate your breakdowns on Path’s direction.

I wish the game had more than just pvp and collecting at it’s core

It does not bother me too much as I always wanted this type of games while i was younger. Now i have 3 to choose from where PoT the only one is that is accessible to me. I love the roleplaying element where we can immerse ourselves (on community servers) but sometimes i also just want to play it differently like on officials and hopefully when new game modes arrive.

There is new dinosaur game coming up named "Echos of Extinction". Its only in alpha so there is little much to do. You should check it out, zag. Any criticism you had will help them make a great dino game.

Critiquing cinimatic trailers for being... cinimatic, is a kinda strange take. Trailers like these are meant to garner interest in a product rather than directly sell you on them. They are filmed in game yes, but they are not "Gameplay Trailers". Take League of Legends for example. It has countless animated trailers/cinimatics that tell you absolutely nothing about the game, but the storytelling of the trailers leads consumers to view other content of the game to then base their decisions off of. I just think its strange to single out path of titans of this as if it is some sort of failure of the devs to understand their own game when it is quite literally the industry standard for advertising.

This is literally the most nothing burger video you have ever made xd Path is literally js marketing there game in its most ideal form :/ or sometimes putting a story in there to make the trailers more interesting and that’s it? Nothing is misleading, everything you see in the trailer reflects how gameplay is like! It just doesn’t go in depth on how the gameplay actually functions. Also? Very interesting how you chose to forget about all the other trailers that actually do showcase, the UI and the way combat for some creatures actually function :/

honestly, my personal experience was exactly like this. I played legacy and was waiting for evrima to be released. then it was released and it was terrible. so I was looking for another game and saw PoT. they promoted it like the isle. immersive. I saw their trailers and was like, jeez, that looks like the isle, but way better. so, I bought it. it was pretty new back then. long before gondwana arrived. then I started to play and was like, what? I can't scent? that's weird. how should I find me food? oh, I can set a waypoint. uhm, doesn't feel much immersive. in general, why are there so many things on the hud? almost every following experience was very different to what I expected. I was nicely surprised to see water sources becoming undrinkable if there are too many around. just to get the next setback by getting quests where different dinos carrying stuff to clean the water. what the? why? all the immersion is gone as soon as you see 4 different species coming together to bring salt and shells to a specific point of the lake to clean their water. therefore, PoT disappointed me so much at the start (because of MY wrong expectation), that I never really found back into the game. later on I saw it as a RPG and I have to say it serves that type of game very well. as I often said, PoT and the isle are different games. you can't compare them and none is better. it much more depends on what type of game you are looking for. but yeah, PoT is everything but immersive. so, if you watch their trailers only, then you will be disappointed. that said, there are enough youtube videos to get an idea of the gameplay out there meanwhile, so, dunno. but, my experience was like that ^^

I don’t feel PoT really needs an identity, it’s modding community is really expansive and overall the game has a very open gameplay loop that has no real end goal outside of getting to adult. It’s very sandbox like and I think removing that freedom would just make it repetitive and boring. The fun comes from what community members make of it really. The devs themselves seem really productive on their updates with stuff like new creatures and existing creature updates to always give you something refreshing. I don’t think PoT is really trying to be super complicated like The Isle, the lack of identity allows players to make their own identity for it, leading to endless possibilities and combative encounters. There’s also a lot less mechanics to keep track of which is much less stressful to me personally compared to The Isle and BoB which have more, which is something that deters me from those games that I feel have a less player freedom and more linear gameplay design. Lots of games are also supported by their modding community too, PoT is no exception. Sometimes simplicity is better than complexity. Edit: I don’t feel it’s very fair to judge games by their trailers. Advertising is meant to be short and enticing, not a full analysis on the gameplay. It’s not always going to be immediately informative so it’s always good to take them with a grain of salt on what the actual game is like. There are still realism servers that also do just as you describe, further adding to the benefit of PoT being so expansive.

you can also just find a server that plays the way you want to play and has the mods you want to play. theres no identity crisis.

My favourite thing about pot is the diversity of dinosaurs you can choose. That’s the only thing that makes the game interesting, as there isn’t too much to do in game. The graphics are a nice touch. Being able to choose between 30+ different characters imo is umatched. They also need to fix single player mode. Why does this mode have den buff, debuffs. There are no other players there. Why do we need to go all the way to the den to change skills? I think single player could have some cooperative aspects, if they want to keep these things around. People could practice pvp and just hang with just a few people, 2-5. And not have to be on official or pay for their own server. If they want to play with more friends then go to officials or community for mods. Also single player mode lags which doesn’t make sense.

I completely stopped playing POT because I realized I was not having fun what so ever.

Well, The Isles trailers don’t depict massive mega-mix-packs, nest camping, admin overreach and power abuse, and dondis shitty attitude to the community. But you don’t have a problem with that? Brother man, you aren’t a video essay RU-vidr, leave the philosophizing and game design alone and just tell me when stuffs coming out and expected features. This isn’t your strength.

Honestly i feel like the freedom it grants kind of gives it that popularity. Like it’s not too physically demanding to play on pc like the isle is and you can go for realism or just straight mmo. The server rules especially with community made servers makes especially good options, where there are mmos and realisms, they can control things, etc. and what makes it better is community server owners and moderators can control what skins are available, environmental setting, growth speed, and what abilities you can have because im pretty sure they can remove certain abilities in community servers or just not make them available, while also tweaking stats to make things more realistic. So I definitely like those aspects as well. I kind of like the versatility the game provides. While i do agree on the standpoints the versatility is probably the reason why it is so popular, plus it’s one of a few games that has mods on with console, since console can’t manually get mods but this game has it practically wired with it.

its called a cinematic trailer for a reason

And then they tell you to go to a community server if you want the game experience that THEY OFFICIALLY advertise.

This is my EXACT ISSUE. I got banned from their official Facebook group for calling them out on this.

Your content's so good I wish you had more subscribers and views on your videos

Basically you want it to be another isle and have ultra realism which the creators stated is not what they wanted with the game

These points are exactly why i feel like PoT needs to lead more into the immersion aspects rather than mmo. they make really beautiful trailers and when playing the game like this say, on a community realism server, the game thrives, realism gameplay *does* work in PoT if done right, but that's the thing. You have to do so much as a server owner to make it work, stat adjustments, profile creation, rules, mod selection so things aren't too busted, adjusting the modded creature's stats. The list goes on but my point is this: If the PoT devs focused more on the realism aspects they portray in their trailers, i believe this game would thrive! Right now, it is fine and i do really enjoy it in the right setting, but I think it could be so much more.

Realism servers, one of the most immersive servers out there [if you join the right one]

I feel like the MMO aspects are good, but the presentation should 100% lean on being believable and realistic-esque. For example, the vocal calls having the visual indicator is good for gameplay, but doesn't detract from the presentation of the game

im pretty sure path is planning to add NPCs that give quests, they said something like that in a dev blog if I remember right, so it seems like they want to go more the MMO round

As a "survival" game, I think PoT fails spectacularly. There are barely any survival mechanics after all. The growth loss on death is nearly non-existent, and food/water is incredibly simple to fill for both carnivores and herbivores due to AI critters, static corpses, berries and whatever else. Why people are clamoring for nesting in PoT when you only grow a dino once is beyond me. You aren't going to be nesting in anyone very often due to this. If I have an adolescent rex, why would I want to be nested in as a baby rex? Lol However, I am looking forward to the game modes like capture the egg and what not. As I think this will be a unique experience. However the dino balance is likely to make these game modes a shit show so its hard to tell if I'll enjoy them or not. Everyone's either gonna play a big strong apex or a quick, nimble smaller dino that can evade everything. Imagine playing an amarga in any sort of instanced PvP when you can't outrun anything that can 1v1 you but can't chase down anything you can fight lol.

This is why i play community servers for ✨da realism💫

Isle devs soghing a sigh of relief seeing the vid is not about them

No no no don’t make path of titans become a full mmo, realism and semi realism servers make up a big part of pot’s community and adding even more immersion breaking things will just completely destroy this wonderful game for us realism enjoyers. Don’t even mention stuff like that😭

Path Of Titans in my opinion should focus on realism in the base game with MMO aspects being very minor (such as the abilities, I quite like that setup) I also believe the modding aspect of the game should get more attention and more attention and time given for the production of quality mods instead of pumping out slop.

I totally agree, I feel like the fact that the realism is captured currently only really through roleplay servers is a bit hard, I look forward to future game modes other than survival and I hope they create a system for realism and have inbuilt rules Looking forward to this games future even if the games overall vibe isnt always the most consistent haha love my stinky collection dino game

Honesty dont see much issue as it stands. As it can have nice trailers and still showcase arcade or mmo gameplay. So its good to initiate the brainstorm, but i have no qualms with the system.

At least keep developing realism for a single player mode. With ai npcs it'll be a great game

They wanna be everything all at once

It’s dumb tho people get on a dinosaur game to just meet at 1 spot & sit there chatting & fighting that’s the lamest shit I’ve ever seen it’s a game designed for you to be a dinosaur not partnering up with creatures you would eat protecting creatures & preventing creatures from hunting it’s so sweaty there is no skill anymore most of the game is little kids. Like move around create a herd explore

I am not much of a fan of the MMO side of things, so I choose to play on realism servers. My server of choice is Primordial Tyrants: Realism. The community is great, the owners and mods are amazing, and every dinosaur profile is written with so much care. The gameplay is highly immersive as well. Of course there are rule breaks here and there which is immersion breaking but otherwise I have had no gripes with the server thus far.

Mods are cool

The isle has an identity crisis too tbh, it needs to figure out if it wants to be a pvp game or a realistic simulator type game.

I personally think base path of titans doesnt have much of an identity. its a blank slate left for community servers to decide what its gonna be about, whether that be pvp or realismn.

This just proves my point of this dude just complaining about awery thing even the none issue things and you made and said multiple times that the reason the isle is failing is because of immersion and now your saying is pot should do the same like geez make up your mind dude

This hit it right on the spot and the stupid mods with fantasy and all this other stuff is not okay and too many apexes, too many mods that are broken and don’t look good and much more.

Yea Pot acts like its trying to go for immersion or realism but it does not ingame, so i think it ends up throwing a lot of people off.

I played PoT first and recently got the Isle, I still like PoT alot and it is significantly better optimized for lower end pcs and thats helpful for me but I find myself prefering the Isle even with all the issues it has. I have found myself thinking why dont I just go play PoT when the sound stuttering is going really bad, or the games just lagging so much I cant move and I die because of it, but PoT as fun as it is feels like a dinosaur pvp/hangout game more than anything else. After the initial fear of dying was gone the game lost all tension and became a fun pvp game but I was personally looking for that survival expirience. The Isle provides that leaps and bounds better than PoT does and even through all the technical issues and shitty pc barely running it at 30 fps I keep wanting to play The Isle instead.

the Para is so ugly in path of titans

Please do a Beasts of Burumuda review!! It's been such an addiction!

I would rather play something that’s more real feeling than path of titans but as if now I can’t path is my only option but I still love the game

Thalassodromeus in trailers: *willingly dives into the ocean, chases after fish* Thalassodromeus in-game: *cannot hold its breath for more than 10 seconds before blacking out*

i am the horse's main predator of north america (i am a true apex predator of horses)

i need more realism in this game, so playing realism servers feels even more realistic and immersive

Only the quests are boring and it sucks that tou're forced to do them, but other than that it's fine

People play the game how they want to, Alderon doesn't enforce how the game is played. There's servers for different things, you have no rules, semi-realism and realism. The trailers posted are just for show on what the game could be like if you were to play on semi-realism/realism servers. If you want gameplay like the trailers, just play on semi-realism/realism servers and boom, you have the trailer gameplay experience. I play on a semi-realism with dino profiles on how the said dino is supposed to act, basic survival rules, etc and I get the trailer gameplay experience. If I just wanna chill and fight, I join servers with no rules which looks like you show at 2:15 (they're just straight up fighting, no stalking, no calls, etc to be realistic, just plain fighting)

Truth is this game have only chance to shine becouse evrima devs pushing content realy slow. So players who realy like dinos gameplay looking for alternative, and pot giving it, plus moders can make more content to pot too.

I respect your opinion..... but I think you're taking the trailers a bit too literal, Zag...

Seems to me you just connected to the first community sever, that this server was named "deathmatch" or "arena" and you just played that, got disapointed and left the game. If you want realism, go to a realism server. Even on random servers I find realism in behaviours and social interactions. But a lot of servers in the list have a lot of rules to help immersion and bring precisely what you say there isn't. It isn't a duality between marketing vs gameplay. It is a duality between some people who want an action packed game with quests and all, and others who just want to play in a roleplay/realistic manner. You didn't see it, that's why your video is wrong, sadly. It has good arguments, but it fails to encompass the whole game, focussing only on the action/mmo part. That's a big flaw, sorry to say.

100% true

Alderon should really be sued for advertising an experience that their game can’t(and probably never will) offer. Community servers are a thing, but it’s not the game itself that is offering that experience, it’s players and moderators and hosts that offer the community server experience. They just need to be honest and consistent

i am the apex predator of toes

You're the only one who seems bothered

the ballance between the MMO and imersion isnt realy the problem in my opineon its actually a good way of making it more cashuall and chill playing with less things to worry about from that standpoint, the bigger problem from my point of view is more the not so great ballance aswell as that its played as dino fortnite with the endzone in crater by most people and my personal point of dinosaurs just not scaling up to each other sizewhise it just kinda sets me off

First of all the game is still in beta not alpha there still adding things and fixing things second if you actually take the time to think like the dinosaur rather then be dumb and go balls the the walls you will see you will have the immersion of the hunting style of a dinosaur everything he says is clear enough that he hasn't played it long enough to give a proper review on the game he's only got a few videos of the game but they are reviewing different dinosaur games or comparing it to the isle

wtf are you talking about XD

0:32 THE LAST OF US‼️‼️‼️‼️

Immersive sim > MMO grinder. I've had enough of MMOs for the rest of my life after spending most of my 20s on FFXI, WoW, and EQ/2

Just hoping something can be done about it cause for me this aspect of the game makes me just not wanna play, but overall this video was pretty good

Everything in this video is why i play the isle instead 😂 building in a dino game is wild 😂😂😂.. plus the healer thing.. all just sounds like a big mess

You are the eater

Bro fr the game looks so great everyone’s everywhere but then everyone’s in one place and its impossible to hunt an herbs without other herbs to get in you business for no reason.🤦‍♂️ it’s disappointing to see it.

I think that the Dino’s stats are another example of PoT’s identity crisis of the game being immersive vs arcade style. Take an apex like Rex and a mid-tier like Cerato matchup. You would think that the Cerato player would be cautious against a dinosaur with powerful jaws that could one shot a Cerato right? Yes and no; technically it takes a Rex 5 bites to kill a Cerato, so the risk of dying has been greatly reduced. What’s worse is that Rex has terrible agility, so the Cerato can easily tail ride the Rex and kill it if persistent enough. This is probably “necessary” to prevent apexes from being “OP”

Yeah im not into the MMO elements and the sound design is just awful.

I don't dislike POT in general and play it from time to time. It has neighter the strength of an MMO, nor the strength of immersive simulation or action game. Hiding and stalking doesn't really give You benefits. If You die it almost doesnt hurt. But it's tedious enough that it isn't really well for Deathmatches. Why add thirst and hunger if the main goal of the game is to walk across the map and catch acorns? I was really disappointed of the game after i got hyped up and bought it......content online always seems cool bcs of the roleplay people do or nice combat situations. While in reality it's just walking arround. I think the issue of the game are it's unofficial content. If the developer had to actually do something to keep the player base it wouldn't be as trashy. With Mod(ability) early on they just lean back and never got to work on real mechanics for the game. Why having so many playables when there is nothing to do? Modding is amazing when the base game is solid and not lacking. Hope to look forward to some new mechanics. Even some AI involved in a quest or danger for/from AI would be amazing. And please let me grow without the stupid "search for flowers" thing in the future.

Path of Titans community is so toxic and trash they literally say the most horrible things uninmaginable

Boring ass game I regret buying it, everything from the quest to hunting is boring. What the hell am I supposed to do when the Dino is fully grown. The only progression system available is growing up to adulthood, what comes then… nothing of course. This and The Isle are garbage games I rather just play a broken game like Ark.

Path of Titans is shit, fuck this game