Never thought we'd get a beef history on Isles-Pens! Fight night at the Coliseum in 2011 was a clear culture shift for the Islanders in hindsight, really started to change the country club atmosphere around the team
You know a hockey beef is kickass when a video covering said beef gets a goddamn age restriction less than 5 minutes after the video was posted Edit: I made this comment as a pissed-off 17 year old. I turned 18 recently, and I just got around to watching this. This beef is indeeed kickass
It wasn't the only one that got age restricted, Cortland Finnegan and Andre Johnson video also got age restricted too, and it wasn't age restricted until how long? 🤦
The hockey content has been good. I still feel a Collapse video is needed on how the Flyers went from being Stanley Cup contenders in 2010 to over 10 years of failure and bad management.
I was dumb enough to think they were a team of destiny that year. Coming back from 3-0 and down 3-0 in the first period against Boston in game 7 only for Scott Leighton to give up that championship losing goal in game 6 that my mother would've stopped.
a Collapse vid on the flyers could go for six seasons and a movie with all the headscratching decisions that mgmt group has made in the past decade lol
@@dropthatshi Philly sports always have the worst front offices and coaches. The Eagles build a great team only to hire Gannon who's the worst DC of all time and Siriani who's just incompetent. The sixers giving max extensions to Simmons and Harris instead of going with Butler, and the Phillies manager clearly isn't a big time coach pulling Wheeler way too early in game 6 of the world series instead of letting him try and pitch his way out of trouble. That proved disastrous and the Flyers are just a mess from top to bottom and are years away from being anything.
@@dropthatshi In fairness, the same could be kind of said for the Knicks and their decisions too. Sure, SB had a Collapse video on them, but stopped at 2008. I was really hoping they'd go deeper about all the other times things went bad for them.
I was at this game!! I was 8 years old and my younger sister was a pens fan at the time because of club penguin. The pens were visiting, and my mom decided to bring me and my sister to a hockey game. I was in my tavares jersey, she was in her crosby jersey, and none of us knew what we were in for. I became a hockey fan for life after that day
@@joshbittner I'm an Oilers fan, he'll need to win the Cup and Conn Smythe in '24 to have a chance of topping the Cooke KO. The game of hockey is better off without Matt Cooke.
Incredibly well done. Sometimes the explanation for why the Islanders were so furious gets sidelined, particularly the laughing at the injured DiPietro.
I think Howie Rose made a pretty good point on this in that the Islanders where a team that was getting beat up on by other teams and the league was doing nothing about it and they were finally sick of it and took things into their own hands
If I remember correctly, the isles just played Calgary and Tavares was on the receiving end of a cheap hit and was visibly hurt. There were no penalties or suspensions. This led to the isles being tired of the league not doing anything and them taking things into their own hands
100% true. I think the Islanders reaction in this game caused the league to get slightly more serious about se suspensions for dirty hits (with CTE concerns and fear of future lawsuits also having an impact). My opinion is penalties for cheap hits are still way too lax - but we’re miles ahead of where the NHL was a little more than a decade ago.
Still waiting for a mega-vid on Boston-Montreal. Or Montreal-Toronto, now that I think about it. Love it when you do hockey vids, though. My favorite is still the Wings-Avs beef history. I've been a hockey fan from birth thanks to my dad and I was a preteen when that rivalry took off. Still some of the absolute best hockey I've ever seen in my life. The physicality was obviously incredible but there was also just a lot of truly great and intense hockey between the brawls.
And somehow, despite bottling that AND the 96 ECF, Barrasso just made it into the HOF. Over Mogilny, Brind'Amour, and Gonchar. Still don't know who Tom has dirt on.
@@Pensfan5919 i know, it’s bizarre…. Mogilny was awesome, but i think that was only for a couple years with the Sabres…. but Brind’AMour for sure… and i guess i can see Gonchar too yea.
That 2010-11 season... such a bad year in terms of shifting back the playoff window, and adding to issues that the team still has, despite employing multiple different GMs. Crosby got concussed, Geno tore his meniscus off a missed hit of Victor Hedman, but Jordan Staal then got blamed for not being able to fill the spots of two of the ten best players in the world at the time. Staal was shipped to Carolina, and I'm sure the Pens would rather use him than Jeff Carter, and then the James Neal trade... cause send a top 4 defenseman for a bottom pair defenseman who was a fine and suspension machine and a mid 6 forward who was only as good as his center. That certainly didn't bite the Pens. At least they got Patric Hornqvist eventually out of it?
You're misrepresenting some things here. Staal wasn't blamed for that; everyone knew he did the best he can. Staal was shipped out because he didn't want to play in Pittsburgh anymore, he wanted to go with his brother in Carolina. The contract he signed in Carolina was almost identical to the reported one he was offered by Pittsburgh. Also, while I'm not saying the Neal trade was good, Niskanen and Neal were both brought on for their upside. They were hoping both players would become great. Eventually both did, Neal for like 3 seasons and Niskanen had a few great years, Pens just couldn't afford him at that point. Neither trade was as bad as you're making it seem.
As I recall, in Trevor Gillies' first game back from that suspension, he cheap-shotted Cal Clutterbuck of the Wild and caught a fresh ten-game suspension.
Question, I was hoping you could help me with. My memory is not what it used to be but wasnt Trevor Gillies, the Son of Islanders, multiple Cup winner Clark Gillies? Was one working for the Pens and the other, the isles? If so, it makes for an interesting subtext, to the situation. Pens and Long Island fans, please help an old man out ;) lol Cheers from Canada P.S. I know this has little bearing on the current subject but weren't these teams involved in the first ever, 3-0 series comeback, that did not occur in the finals, 1975. I beleive it was done by Toronto Vs. Detroit. In the 1942 Final. It's not tough to start a rivalry after what happened, in 75. Then there was the good old Patrick division, guaranteeing many more meetings per year. At one point, 8 times a year!! That's another great way to start, or continue a rivalry!
The Islanders hurt us when we were the favorite in ‘93 and 2021, almost did it to us in 2013 too. Our biggest rival outside of Caps as far as I’m concerned in modern times.
The crazy thing is that the DiPietro vs Johnson fight can be looked at as one of the final nails in the coffin of DiPietro’s career. It wasn’t the final one of course, he had a couple other injury problems unrelated to the fight, but if the fight did not happen I truly believe his career would have been longer.
Pittsburgh has always been an arrogant organization. But the most ironic thing out of all of this was Lemieux criticizing the league for the lack of punishment for the Islanders, yet he had Matt Cooke on the payroll. Lmao.
I remember watching the game with the Johnson v Dipietro fight live and as an Isles fan I went from being the most excited I’ve ever been to see a fight to the most disappointed I’ve ever been in a matter of 3 seconds. That fight is the perfect summary or Rick Dipietro’s career on Long Island
Love this story. I'm a Kiwi and at least follows NHL nowadays but I'd never hear this kind of story from history. This is what sports and rivalries are all about - you use whatever motivation necessary. Would love to see you expand to so do A Moment In History with Japan beating South Africa in rugby in 2015.
I've been a Pens fan since I was a child in the late 80's. I love all of beef history, and now we've seen: Pens vs Isles, Pens vs Flyers, Pens player vs Caps player, and Pens player vs. Bruins player... Huh, starting to think it's us lol
"We clean! We clean! The zebras just hate us!" Said by a fan base whose team had Matt Cooke on the roster. The same Matt Cooke who ended Marc Savard's career with a blindside shoulder hit while wearing a Penguins uniform. You know, for someone who is really quick to shout "Myles Garrett! Myles Garrett! Cleveland Browns! Cleveland Browns!" whenever Tom Wilson steps onto the ice, they always conveniently forget that Matt Cooke preceded Tom Wilson by a couple of years, and while Wilson has not ended anyone's career (yet), Cooke little "shoulder tap" concussed Savard so hard that he could never play again.
Welcome back, Secret Base! Next up, I want a Collapse on any of the following teams/athletes: NFL: Barry Sanders' Lions '06 Bears '08 Cardinals Michael Vick's Falcons NBA: Grit n' Grind Melo-Chauncey-Nene Nuggets '06-'07 Jazz '14-'15 Hawks MLB: Showalter's O's '05 White Sox '15 Blue Jays '07 Rockies NHL: '11-'12 Coyotes '10-'11 Canucks Sabers (either '99 or '07) Lundqvist's Rangers Individuals: Joanna Jedrzejczyk Renan Barao Johny Hendricks Jorge Lorenzo
Man, I wish I had seen this a few days ago. It's a good takedown but there's backstory that you didn't add in. (Disclaimer: I'm not here to defend the Islanders or the Pens, just provide context) 1. The League looked the other way with thugs like Matt Cooke ending people's careers, or trying to hurt people intentionally. He got away with it because he was on the Penguins, one of the league's darling teams. 2. At the time, there was a belief amongst not only fans but players (ie; Islanders) that the league didn't care for certain teams, and went out of its way to protect others. Does anyone remember the Colin Campbell memos? The "good ol' boys" network was alive and well at the time. Ask Marc Savard. 3. The league didn't stop nonsense from the Penguins earlier in the season, including the preseason, it just fed into the viewpoint that the league protected teams and didn't care about other teams. Oh, and it wasn't just Matt Cooke who was dirty AF, the Pens lead the league with penalty minutes that year and should have had many more. Maxime Talbot, Mike Rupp, Deryk Engelland, and Craig Adams could easily be dirty and often were. Oh, and Cooke didn't play in the game, because of course not. That's the kind of team the Penguins were at the time. There are also more postscripts to the game 1. Lemieux's comments about the game made the NHL fanbase yell at him- he literally had Matt Cooke on his team. The NHL basically told him to STFU after that. 2. Notice that Cooke stopped taking idiot penalties after that season, and was forced to play actual hockey? This game is why. 3. There was a noticeable shift in how the NHL handled penalties and in-game fighting afterward. Sure, some of it was because the Isles did take things too far, but a lot of it was also in recognition that the Matt Cooke protection racket had to go. 4. In part because of the 2010 memos released but ALSO in part because of this game, Colin Campbell stepped down after the season as VP of Player Safety. 5. The Isles were still rebuilding but no longer faced the kind of in-game bullying that they had to deal with beforehand.
You gotta do oilers - flames Couple years back there was McDavid ainjury from gio Neal and Lucic trade / worth competition Tkachuk hits on zassian + turtle All star game and beef w tkachuk & mcdavid and drai Huge fights game and Goalie fight from goalies AGAIST their former teams Rittich stick flip and downfall Playoff series culminating in an Edmonton win and tkachuk trade / Lucic leaving ending the current era
Ended Tangradi's effectiveness as a hockey player too. But no, let's say that the worst part was Matt Cooke for... playing a crash the net style and a hit that WASN'T EVEN AGAINST NEW YORK
It’s been awhile since we got anything Dorktown related with Jon and Alex or Fumble Dimension with Jon and Kofie. Please tell me this long absence with Jon is that he’s working on something big?
That was builtnin the 2000's the islanders had some good teams and people forget how much they faced off becak them. I am talking to the just prior to the crosby years. And they had some banger teams in crosbys first years too.
This episode should've started with the 93 series in which the Islanders upset the Pens, Darius Kasperitis and his physicality.... Still brought back good memories from those games.
Watching Secret Base's videos got me into American sports, because they do such a great job at breaking down all the context while keeping it simple on the specifics of the sport. It allowed me to pick up what was happening far better than trying to look up and understand the rules/tactics etc would have been. But i remain mystified by ice hockey and its attitude towards fights. It appears that the officials are cool with people squaring up to fight, and from the several videos on this channel, these fights can lead to injuries that decimate playoff runs, which would mean huge losses financially to go with losing out on the season as well. Given how American sports are so particular about money, it is one of the several reasons the casual attitude towards fighting in this sport is so bizarre. Also, how does this not lead to "won't somebody think of the kids" type social outcry that say, people rapping about violence inspire? I have seen fights break out in all types of sports, but it is a rare occasion that is very quickly defused. You don't see refs standing around as guys square up, looking to give each other concussions.
Fighting in hockey is meant to exist as a deterrent to extra violence which can cause injury greater than a bruised face (concussion rates are actually very low with fights since they are bare-knuckle). The idea is that if you play dirty, you will be forced to answer for it beyond a fine or penalty minutes. Fighting is down across the league and so have cheap shots . It's not really a measurable science but most hockey players consider fighting a matter of safety in the game
@ryanfalcon thanks for the detailed reply. I still remain largely confused - bare knuckle fights would still lead to broken bones in the hand which would rule a player out I'd imagine? Secondly, playing dirty happens in many sports and the answer is to take the player out of the game. Why would fighting be a better solution, given all other contact sports have successfully eliminated them? I appreciate that there is a historical and social context I would be missing here, so i might be missing something
@@ahmertension Happy to try and help explain best I can! On the first point, broken hands/fingers are extremely rare, why this is Im not entirely sure. Might be because the short duration of fights and the force of punches is dispersed a bit more because of the grappling hold that allows for the body or head to lean away from the impact. Secondly, it's probably impossible to eliminate all dirty play because doing so would kill the speed of the game because of an overabundance of stoppages for penalties and the inability for the referees to see everyone all at once. This leaves the players who know what happened to try and fill the gap in enforcement that's left in-between the rulebook and the acceptable level of toughness. The idea is to make sure players are following the rules, both written and unwritten or when the referees aren't looking
@@NolanEgbert thanks a lot! The point about speed makes a lot of sense. The fact that injuries don't seem to happen is surprising, but again your explanation makes sense.
We were watching the game at the bar, when the score was out of hand we left. By the time we got home and turned it on, we were so confused why the benches were empty My friend has a framed photo of the DiPietro punch in his living room.
