The PERFECT Villain for The Batman 2 

What do you guys think about the reports of Clayface being a big part of The Batman 2? 🦇 Comment below!💥

I think a Clayface that leaned hard into horror/fantasy superpowers would be that much frightening BECAUSE the first movie was grounded. We now believe that characters are bound by rules of reality, suddenly facing a monster could be terrifying.

I’d like to see them introduce Scarecrow’s fear toxin to justify the fantastical elements in Matt Reeve’s “grounded” movies.

I like the idea of clayface being a high roller actor who frequents Penguin's club, gets into debt with him, then gets his face messed up as a punishment. Leading to his addiction to the chemical cream. Then as Batman follows his crime trails, clayface is following him disguised as other people throughout the movie.

I'd love to see the Court of Owls, but at the same time, I want them to save the Court of Owls for a later film where Bruce has far more experience and is on top of his game.

I love the villain combo of Clayface and Two-Face. It feels unique.

Clayface is definitely not forgotten for anyone that plays the Batman videogames either. He was an instrumental villain and the big twist of Arkham City. The greatest role of the century!

God I really can't stress enough how perfect a shapeshifter is for a detective villain absolutely perfect

I really want scarecrow as a main villain for one of these movies

I think people look over the fact that the penguin exists in this universe and Matt reeves himself said he’s gunna be a big part of things moving forward and that Matt Reeves wants this to be his big crime epic story. So I think this second one may have a lot to do with what the penguin is doing as well. We will definitely know more when the Penguin show comes out so

Mr. Freeze or Clayface can be really good options for The Batman 2, if done correctly. Lotta great themes and ideas to explore from using those 2 villians as a springboard.

In the Batman movie when he says “I’m Vengeance” What if in The Batman 2 he says “I Am The Night” And the Batman 3 he says: “I Am Batman” The iconic line 🦇 R.I.P. Kevin Conroy

i would love to see the eraser play a role. he was a pretty cool b-grade villian that never got his due. a person that can "erase" all evidence of a crime is such a cool concept

Black mask would fit perfectly in Reeves universe. I don't know why more people aren't saying him

I think once they’ve done Clay Face that could open the door for more powered villains such as Poison Ivy, I think she’d fit really well in this universe but that’s probably just me.

I always thought that a Hush storyline with Clayface, Mad Hatter, and Dagget being sub villains would be a good storyline to bring the Bruce Wayne persona more into the picture.

The Ethan Bennett story would be awesome. I'd be curious about a man bat portrayal as well.

i feel like we'll get something similar to what happened in The Batman (animated show) with clay face. A normal person who was at the wrong place, wrong time turned into a monster filled with confusion and fear who then just goes insane even while attempting to get help for his condition.

I for one am very excited for Clayface, ESPECIALLY if they pull from the animated series.

I want the animated series version of clayface in the movies, makes a lot of sense for a detective movie to have a villain that can turn into anybody.

Hope they emphasize the horror of Clayface and other villains. He has great body horror potential.

I’ve been saying Scarecrow and Clayface would be the perfect villains for the sequel. Crane could even be the one whom experimented on Clayface: - One looks like a monster but is a tragic victim. Fear wouldn’t cut it, Hope would be needed. - The other looks like a weak human but it is a true monster and masters the tool Batman once relied on. Fear would be useless and there’d be no hope.

I don't think Clayface necessarily has to be super goofy. I agree that the Definitive Article Batman series has potential to explore more supernatural ideas within its tone, and while I think the iconic orange blob probably wouldn't work, a more horrific creature absolutely could. You could have a Clayface who almost always appears on-screen as a person, although able to change exactly which person he looks like at will, meaning you never feel safe as ANYBODY (even Batman or Bruce Wayne, which could be a fun way to catch him), could be Clayface. I'm imagining with the monstrous reveal having something that looks more like the creature from John Carpenter's The Thing would absolutely work as a representation of Clayface within the particular tone they're going for.

If he still doesn't want to get too fantastical, I could see clayface just being a master of Disguise. Maybe using literal clay to change facial features on the fly.

I still remember seeing clayface in TAS for the first time, he was scary, beautifully animated, and made you fear for Batman's safety. Watching Batman get stuffed inside of clayface, and clayface pushing his face back inside his torso to smother him to death....that would be wild to see in Batman 2.

Clayface would be amazing, depending with version. This works and if they add Mr. Freeze or Hugo Strange makes the villian narrative perfect. They can do all three because Dr. Hugo likes his monster men. Killer Croc can be added or even Solomon Grundy.

With clay faces shapeshifting abilities I feel like they can make a great murder mystery where he shapeshifting into diff ppl and Batman need to find who’s the real clayface

Honestly i think that this batman universe is one of the only ones where i can see him fighting most, if not all of the "out there" kind of villans such as clayface, or mad hatter, or even killer croc. Bale and Afflec were great batmans but i could never imagine them fighting a lot of the different villains of batmans rouges gallary

When you were talking about how the film needs to explore Bruce discovering himself and separating himself from the Batman as his only personality, only two words came to me: Dick Grayson. Not just because I’m a Nightwing stan, but because his character is crucial to Bruce’s development as a person. Would be great to see in this universe. Also, I remember Reeves saying they were exploring villains like Hush for future films. I wonder if this Clayface will be a mashup with Hush - especially the more you talked about the idea of Clayface knowing Bruce personally. Would be interesting to explore

I would absolutely love more than anything to have the more monstrous batman villains appearing (Man-Bat, Clayface, Killer Croc). I feel like all the batman films we get focuses on the more crime-like villains (Joker, Two-face, Penguin, Riddler) that It'd be a nice change of pace to see a Batman story using the more mythical like villains instead. I think the monster villains can get a bad rep for being a bit cheesy, or not realistic enough for film universes. However I think Clayface, Man-bat, and Killer Croc would make an excellent horror tone for the shows given that they're all horrific creatures that batman has to use his brain to defeat because they're superior in strength

Now, im going to watch The Batman again.

Something I really want from this franchise is for them to fearlessly add the supernatural stuff from the Batman universe. Yes it’s a very grounded setting, but there is absolutely a way they can go down the road of the supernatural in the form of clay face, mr freeze, bane and even the Joker. I think/hope they are actually doing this, the one sign that implies they may do so is Batman injecting the green venom at the climax of the first movie

i have a theory that both clayface and scarecrow could be the villains for part 2. clayface in the real world could be based on golden age clayface, then when batman ingests scarecrows fear toxin, he then could hallucinate clayface as the morphing monster.

Clayface is remarkably easy to ground as a character that changes appearance with make up and prosetics, you would have eliminate the shape shifting

Im heavy on mr freeze for The Batman part 2, i feel the flooded Gotham would work perfect for a mr freeze story

Villains I want to see in future films/shows. Hush, Clayface, Mad Hatter, Mr Freeze, Scarecrow, Poison ivy, Ras/Talia Al Ghul, Killer Croc, Hugo Strange, Professor Pyg, Black Mask, Man Bat

Clayface is also my choice for The Batman sequel villain, but here’s my pitch for how it’ll go: Now for this pitch, there will be two villains which I’ll say do have a more sci-fi angle, so it probably wouldn’t work. BUT, as stated in your video, test screenings for the first movie stated how the first Reeves movie gave off psychological horror vibes. And since there are some scary and monstrous looking villains, monster=horror. So here’s how it goes: “Recently, on the news, there’s been a line a chains for new beauty/cosmetic products spreading around Gotham. But word has been getting out that there have been murders of many high profiled business people who all are being killed for strange reasons. The people are all linked to Roland Daggett, the business owner of the beauty chains, however no proof is shown that Daggett is behind the murders. But Bruce/Batman is still suspicious that Daggett is still not telling the truth about something. In the meantime, Matt Hagen, a famed actor is just getting off the set of filming and heading back to his room, when it’s revealed that he’s hiding a dark secret when his face while handsome in the films is deformed, due to a car accident, when nobody sees. He has a supply of beauty cream that is made by Daggett's company, where it's reveal that Daggett offered him a lifetime supply of it, in exchange for being a test subject for the cream when being prepared to sell out. The cream which was made by none other than Pamela Isley made from rare plants that have the ability to form into specific shapes. Isley however has other plans, where thru Batman's detective work realizes that it was her who murdered those people through her poisoning the beauty products, specifically lipsticks. Batman begins a mission to find Isley's hideout, where we get some intense scenes when he arrives to investigate her place. But the area is filled with so many plants. Batman just so happens to touch one that it grasps him, to which we get a jump-scare and the plants attack him, causing either Batman to escape or personally meet Isley, who refers herself to Poison Ivy. Ivy's plan is revealed that she's attempting to murder all the people who deal with Daggett, including him, due to the fact that they've been destroying rare nature just to build their corrupt business which leads to Batman realizing that his theory is true about Daggett, being not who he seems. As it turns out, Daggett's business is rid with underground crime, laundering, and fraud. Daggett plans on take over many businesses, one of them being Wayne Enterprises, which Bruce/Batman doesn't realize yet. Daggett needs Hagen to join a gang to take on a hit for one of the businesses, and says if Hagen refuses he'll cut his supply off. So Hagen does so, but the hit attack goes south, and one witness recognizes Hagen, except claims that he looks like Bruce Wayne. With this information, there is a warrant out for Bruce Wayne’s arrest, forcing Bruce as Batman to flee and try to clear his name before things get out of hands. Meanwhile, Daggett has Hagen killed for what he did, as an attempt to avoid half measures. Hagen is presumably killed by being forced to swallow an entirely tank of the beauty cream formula and left for dead, only for his body to turn into clay. Hagen now has become a literal blob who can transform his shape (Imagine a live action version of Tetsuo's mutation (Akira) and Ditto (Pokemon) + the T-1000, but more scary.). Hagen swears revenge on Daggett, but when Poison Ivy hears about him, she decides to cut a deal with him, in which he helps her plan her murder several off the Gotham elites and make her plant growing spree, and she'll give him Daggett to kill. This can lead to a great showdown with some creepy imagery of Hagen (now called Clayface) and Poison Ivy's monstrous plants attacking the public, and an epic showdown with Batman fighting them. Not really too sure on how Bruce fights Ivy and her plants, but he does create special defense mechanisms for his suit in order to avoid her plants getting the best of him. The fight between Bruce and Clayface however becomes really scary as Bruce sees that Hagan can’t fully concentrate whenever he’s mutating (Leading to some imagery that gives off The Thing). But to some up in short, Batman ends up defeating both Clayface and Poison Ivy, but one of them manages to escape (More than likely Clayface), Daggett is arrested for his crimes, and Bruce Wayne’s name is cleared. There will be a mid-credit scene though, with one of the villains on the run. But they happen to meet someone in the shadowy alleyways, who says that he’s been watching them, and offers his hand to them, which is revealed to be covered in bandages.” So there you have it. Basically, this movie can pay homage to 80s monster movies, like The Thing, The Fly and Little Shop of Horrors, mixed with Batman: The Animated Series where I got these stories from. This also sort of gives a more darker take on beauty products, (Though I’m not sure how they’re gonna be able to commercialize that. Like imagine the actress for Poison Ivy saying, “Try the new L’Oréal lipstick, where love can get TOXIC.” or the actor for Clayface advertising for a CHANEL face cream, and the commercial ends saying, “And check out the new Batman movie.”.).

I really really love this aspect ratio, please make all your next video this way!

2004’s The Batman is the clay face that sticks in my mind the most, and I think that this version would fit this version pretty well A lot of the Batman 04 stuff could work well for The Batman 22, being a younger batman and all,

I think the beauty of what Matt reeves has created is a city that could “realistically” create almost any of Batman’s rogues- a Gotham that has so much potential that every fan has a different idea of a perfect next villain. I’m sure any choice might have a bit of backlash but I would love to see a serious take on characters that haven’t had much of a chance to shine in the movies

I would love to see Clayface in a Batman movie and then be in the suicide squad. They've been missing seeing characters we know and HAVE SEEN as the bad guy of a movie become our hero.

I love all of your ideas presented here. There is definitely a way that they can adapt these characters, and make it good, matching the vibe and style of The Batman while telling something new and unique. I am also IN LOVE with the idea that Harvey doesn't become Two-Face. We haven't seen a lot of what harvey's morality would look like going through the craziness that gotham goes through, because he always transforms so soon. But maybe he stays normal, and just deals with being an attorney, while things on the outside world make him have the mental battle of Two Face. Not to mention that a character like clayface, lends itself great to Harvey's dilemas, and could actually be the Two-Face in the villain sense incapsulating the moral dilemas clayface has in the comics and in the animated series. That's basically a duality and world dilema that matches Harvey's, other than the OCD with 2's.

I love the idea of clayface like in the cartoon can show the importance of Bruce Wayne. We haven’t seen much of that part of Batman showing that he has to keep up appearances when someone poses as him. It’s one of my favorite parts of the episode when people aren’t sure if Bruce Wayne would do something like that because he’s been so hands off as Bruce Wayne. Also the clayface series could be an interesting look into Hollywood for the character and how it tore him apart an interesting character study. Also I think the body horror could be so much fun to explore.

I always thought Killer Croc would be really interesting for this more grounded universe, especially since we've never got a live-action adaptation that shows his emotional side.

Clayface is based

I've been screaming this since the end of the last one. This Batman is THE detective. Clayface would be the biggest challenge and I would be so hype for it.

Man, I can just imagine the story just based on what you talked about, and it looks amazing. This was an amazing video, too

I think the Court of Owls, Calender Man, Clock King, basically those without superpowers and under used deserved to be back in the spotlight.

The Batman is my favorite film of all time. I had endgame level hype for the first film. I think that clay face is a fantastic villain. His arc in the animated series is fantastic. Hope that they pull it off.😎

I feel like Clayface as the villain of the second movie leads right into Mr Freeze. I fully expect to meet Victor Freis in the middle of his research into saving his wife when Batman or Bruce comes to him for the cryo bomb that will eventually take clayface down.

Great video! I love the animated Batman font!

Great video filn speaks and great video man :]

There have been multiple takes on clay face that have been very different from each other so a reimagining could be interesting

I’d love a different take on harvey dent! Maybe him surviving an event and not becoming two-face? Like another universe. He’s such an important character as two-face and just as dent

Beautiful video

This was a really well made video. Earned a sub 👌

I wonder... What if... the Clayface cream is what causes Two-Face? Harvey's face gets half melted...

I’d love to see Hugo strange in live action

Szass, dead shot, court of owls, hush would be class

Great video

I like the idea of there being Harvey Dent and Ethan Bennet - a story where we already know going into it that Harvey Dent is two face and expect him to turn from a good character to bad character. And Ethan, clearly a good character. Where it is revealed that Harvey has been bad pretending to be good and he turns Ethan into clayface. That’d be a cool twist, where we expect a good character to become bad but (unless you seen this video / the Batman tv show) you may not expect Ethan to turn into clayface

Interesting, me and some friends actually talked about who we wanted to see as the main villain in the next batman film and I also thought clayface would make for an interesting choice. The reason I want clayface to be the next major villain is because I thought he would be the most interesting in terms of "how would batman fight him". like compared to the rest of batman's rouges and how they fight, he is the most unique. characters like riddler and joker focus more on schemes & henchman to fight, with some hand to hand, bane/ra's al ghoul//deathstroke focus on hand-to-hand combat and technique, and Mr. freeze/poison ivy use science and weaponry to fight. Clayface on the other hand is a living biomass of clay that can shapeshift into any one or any object he needs to be in order to fight/escape. It would honestly be very interesting to see how batman would need to adapt and deal with an entity he wasn't trained to fight (he was taught hand to hand combat but he's facing off against living sludge), it would honestly be very interesting in terms of action

I just thought about something. The discussion of the Bruce stuff... it's left him wide open for getting Hush-ed. Clayface can do anything Hush can do. Riddler is exactly where he'd need to be to pull a Hush. Grant Morrison's writing for Hush: took over Wayne Enterprises while Bruce was dead because he looks just like Bruce. Clayface: can do that. Riddler: is in the proper spot to adapt Hush. Clayface steals Bruce's identity. Harvey starts going after "Bruce Wayne", becoming a threat to Batman while also working as Batman's ally.

Love this take

I think Scarecrow could be a really good villain for this Batman. We see at the end of the first movie that Bruce knows he needs to become a symbol of hope for the city rather than a symbol of fear, maybe one of the movies could have a plot about Bruce struggling to fully become that symbol of hope and Scarecrows fear toxin could expose some of the darker, more painful thoughts in Bruce’s mind that hold him back and keep him struggling. Just an idea 👍

Hopes: - Clayface is the main villain with Mad Hatter acting as a secondary antagonist - Harvey Dent is introduced but he doesn’t turn into Two-Face in this film; build up his connection and friendship with Batman/Bruce

So which actor would you guys like to see playing Clayface? I’m thinking Mads Mikkelsen or Nicolas Cage (but mostly Mads). I think they could pull of the charismatic yet troubled actor who becomes a tragic monster look-alike. Scarecrow is also a villain I’d love to see alongside Clayface. I can see Jake Gyllenhaal or David Tennant playing him.

I was looking forward to Professor Pyg and Toy Man. Something different. Clayface is a good idea but idk if that fits in a grounded world.

YES! Thank god you mentioned Ethan from the Batman! That was my favorite rendition for him, and if anything, I think what they will most likely go for if he shows up in the movie. Obviously, we have that Matt Reeves show coming out that will be about the Batman's rogues, so I hope they introduce the villain to the Batman 2 as a cameo or such, (not doing an MCU thing where you are expected to watch the shows) so that we are familiar with the villain. That way, if they do this, it won't be like the mistake Marvel made with Amazing Spider-Man 2 with Harry Osborn. We all knew Harry was Peter's friend, but me personally, I felt like they sprang him on us too fast. He didn't talk about Harry or anything, they just introduced him to make him a villain. They should have just let him stay Harry for a movie or so just to let us get the idea of him being the Goblin in our heads. Hopefully, The Batman can learn from other movies' mistakes and make something great for the fans. I'm dying to see Batman 2

GREAT VID

Amazing video brother. Wow

I know people want the city frozen for Batman 2 but I think it’ll go more down a grimy muddy way, I mean look how The Batman ended. This then could introduce clay face really well and use the environment for character, fight scenes or realism. The penguin will be utilised a lot as well, I feel he will take control with everything flooded, classic penguin style. Also, what happened to Arkham? That get flooded? Maybe Clay face was already in there and he escaped? Has the Joker escaped? (I feel this won’t be the case, as I like the idea of Batman and joker having 1-1 chats now again, creating their relationship)

You always manage to convince me with your weird ideas. I don't think the batman 2 is gonna have clayface but I really hope it's not joker. Or at least not him being the main villain.

I mean, Clayface and Mr. speaker Freeze had some of the best origin reimagining in BTAS so I don't get why people complain when these characters had Emmy worthy introductions.

I'd personally like Two-Face to pop up during the 3rd movie, and for Harvey as someone in the 2nd, perhaps like Batman 89 where Harvey was in it (although pretty short so more screen time)

The best choices: Scarecrow, Hush and Mr. Freeze

Do I have to watch this video in a big IMAX cinema now?

Ive never understood wanting to so badly see complete “reality” in movies🤦🏽‍♂️let alone superhero movies i watch movies to watch something amazing and escape reality otherwise why even watch

i could see them doing a david cronenberg veneral x gothic horror style esc for clayface's character, the idea of clayface in matt reeve's batman brings me hints and reminders of The Fly, would love to see something like that.

Good video

Still have hope that we'll eventually get a live action Man-Bat. If we get a live action man made of clay, we can get a live action giant bat human hybrid. Maybe even a decent Black Mask for once. Haven't seen a great Black Mask in a long ass time and he would definitely fit the world.

One main villain that I think that should be used is Hugo Strange and his Monster Men. The monster could be Clayface, Man-Bat 🦇, Killer Croc 🐊, Orca 🐬, Werewolf 🐺, or Mr Freeze 🥶

That Matt Reeves Scarecrow will be a crazy Batman horror film

I continue to say it… but I hope Matt Reeves chooses to LEAN into Batman’s supernatural mythos a similar way that Courage the Cowardly Dog did with it’s spooky elements… or more accurately: The way X-Files did with it’s supernatural characters. X-Files was a series seemingly set in a realistic world, yet contained a plethora of supernatural and otherworldly beings. For Matt Reeves to make it work within his world, he shouldn’t openly embrace metahumans… but allude to the unnatural in a vague eerie way. Often, the monsters in X-Files were never fully explained, they just existed among humans. That gives the audience the surreal uncomfortable feeling of *the uncanny* or *the unknown* It would add a deeper horror element to the world, and would open all kinds of new possibilities and stories to tell… limiting your franchise to JUST Batman’s realistic mythos immediately stunt’s the ability to tell a new refreshing story. It’s not that Matt Reeves can’t tell a new realistic story, I trust his ability fully. But to ignore 80% of Batman’s mythos is to ignore 80% of the character arcs and storytelling that made Batman so iconic.

If I'm writing next Batman movie by using Clayface as an antagonist, here's how I would do... Basil Karlo (the Golden Age/first Clayface) was a high profile and talented actor who famously known for being "the man with thousand faces" from his outstanding performance through method actings, he's the man of dedication who went through multiple surgeries for his new role, more each and each character he plays... Karlo starting to growing an inability to separate himself out the role and adopting the personality of the characters he plays, which includes the monster that he plays in his latest movie "Clayface"

I think the first thing I thought of when I heard that clay face would be in Matt Reeve’s Batman was that scene in the animated series where clay face is in that room full of televisions trying to assume a form but failing and kind of switching between identities.

excellent video, I would love to see Clayface on the big screen

The universe of The Batman is too realistic, Calendar Man as a serial killer works better.

I would LOVE Man-Bat to be a villain, or killer croc. For more grounded villains, I think Professor Pyg fits PERFECTLY in the reeves universe.

i think a clayface mr freeze duo would be interesting the city is flooded at the end of the last film not sure where clayface fits in there

I’d like to see how the portray the role of Harvey dent, love the vid.

That's a fantastic explaination, but I would still love to see Mr. Freeze in snowy Gotham at some point in the Reevesverse

Clayface would be so dope! Honestly though I don't really care which villain(s) Matt Reeves chooses because I know it's gonna be freaking awesome

Can I just ask who does your thumbnails? This looks amazing

Thank u, a villian we not seen before

What's the soundtrack in the background?

Very impressive

the thumbnail for this video is nuts

How about the ventriloquist and Scarface? It’s another form of mind game just like the riddler in the first movie. Plus you grant Morrison quote was perfect for this topic.

That billionaire take was hilarious cause of how true it is but no one’s ever really done a scarecrow justice imo but many villains fall to this as they always fall back to old cliches of their villain trope I’d love to see a clay face in plain sight acting in the open, I’ve never seen Batman as realistic imo, villains get locked for a few months and they’re out slaughtering again