Yeah, Marko’s version of the Phantom genuinely gives me goosebumps. And I love it, the Phantom is supposed to creep you out, and he really delivers it. I always loved him because he’s really good at storytelling.
Book!Phantom is an ex-executioner/architect/composer/hobby singer. He's supposed to be able sound like an angel or make his voice thunder. Marko can do both. In the book, he sings a bit of Otello (Verdi's adaptation of Shakespeare's Othello) which is classed as a dramatic tenor role, so it would probably a tenor with a bit of a darker color in general, but the idea's still there.
Yes, there's certainly other glorious duets of similar soprano voices (Somewhere, Paradise, Sancta Terra), and some amazing contrasted beauty and the beast tracks that aren't so much duets (And We Run). But this stands out as a true classic beauty female and beast male, with lyric clarity and they are actually singing together.
Yeah but there is another duet that's damn cool. Dance with the Dragon by Dark Sarah feat. JP. It's more musical-like but also metal and sheeesh such a good song.
what's amazing is Marco had surgery in the 90's on his vocal cords to remove a polyp and it went very wrong. He was unable to speak for weeks and had to relearn to sing again. He said himself some of his voice never came back. He later found out they cut a nerve and there's some paralysis in one of his cords. I'm amazed how he came back from that to sing like this.
Andrew Lloyd Webber has told in a interview that he really likes this intrepretation of the Phantom of the Opera. Marco's phantom is so much more haunting than what any Broadway singer can ever achieve.
As far as Marko goes, I am holding out hope that this ends up being a lengthy "time off" period for him, as he works on whatever it is he needs to. (though he should certainly take longer than that if that's what he feels he needs) So yeah, I'm keeping relevant extremities crossed that he'll come back eventually. BTW, one other note regarding Marko: He won this past season's Masked Singer show in Finland. Just further shows how amazing an all-around vocalist he is in his own right too.
Have you seen Ayreon's The Day That the World Breaks Down with 11 repeat 11 of the best metal singers in the world. It's brilliant and I recommend it to you.
With singers, that don't have English as a first language. They have a tendency to enunciate their words, a lot more than English singers do. They're not lazy on the vowels.
I feel ICS Vortex (ex Dimmu Borgir) would be a good pick, since he does amazing high vocals and plays bass. Not sure how much grit he's got in his voice though.
Recommendation/request: Wintersun - Sons Of Winter And Stars. Or really any Wintersun song, but there's a nice live studio session of that particular song on RU-vid, and it's a good vocal showcase overall.
Loved this!! Tarja and Marko were amazing together. You should react to Slaying the Dreamer, also from the End of an Era show. There are some great Marko screams there 🙆🏻♀️
Might be as you say, because you are Finnish. It's just much more difficult to pick up on when a person is singing. For example... I am Swedish and I can almost always tell if a person who is speaking English is Swedish or not, even if they are really good at speaking English. There is just this specific way how we Swedes say certain letters and word combinations that totally bleeds through the English, which in my brain triggers my "Yep... that person is totally a Swede..."-alarm. XD But if the person is singing, and of course depending on what type of singing they are doing, then it becomes much harder to notice those specific tendencies that Swedes tend to have when speaking English. Sometimes it's not that bad, and does not bother me... but some Swedes are really not good at Speaking English, and I cringe so much when I hear them. Because the "Svengelska" (as we call it in Swedish), or "Swenglish" (the English equivalent of it), that some people "do" when trying to speak English... is... atrocious... XD I can fall into a bit of Swenglish my self at times, but that is usually mostly due to me getting to excited about something and/or trying to speak way to fast, faster than my brain and mouth can react to (it feels like my mouth and tongue is sort of tripping and/or stumbling over it's self)... if I just calm down, and slow down a little, things are mostly fine. XD So, that is probably why I have not really picked up on Tarja's Finnish bleeding through when she sings in English... how ever... every single time I have heard her speak English, or the rest of the band speaking English... or more or less any Finnish person speaking English (I watch a fair amount of F1 over the decades, which has always had a lot of Finnish drivers)... then I instantly know "Yep... that person is very much so Finnish..." XD Just like Swedes, you guys also have a very distinct way of speaking English, where your Finnish language tendencies totally bleeds through. XD
@@Calistarius79 F1 you say. How about "black and round Pirelli's" or "up in the *ss of Timo", ring any bell? 😂 But it's fine really, it's usually very understandable (have heard many native English speakers saying that they usually understand Finns, and other Nordics I guess, pretty well, but that French people tend to have such accent that it's hard to follow).
@@Garbox80 Heh... I know I have seen the Timo one befor... and I might have seen the Pirelli one too... XD I have not watched a lot of Rally outside of the 80's and 90's though, but I still know some, since... you know... sometimes one goes on youtube watching sprees with one topic or another... like Rally or "Group B"... or "Rally crashes"... XD F1 has been the only motorsport that I have watched on and of since the mid 90's, with most of my watching having happened during the last 10+ years thanks to the internet. And there the Finnish drivers has often been some of my favorit (there has not been a lot of other Nordic drivers outside of Finns during the last 30 years in F1, and none of them as successful as the Finns)... I mean who does not love the Iceman him self... Kimi Raikkonen!? XD But anyway... yeah... most of us Nordic are pretty understandable when speaking English... I would say that in general the Finns might be the ones who potentially can be the ones hardest to understand when they speak English... since Finnish it's self is not a Germanic language like the other Nordic languages are, so does not have anything in common with English or how you speak it at all. I think part of the reason why we Nordics are often very understandable when speaking English, where some other countries might not be... like some people from France as you said... might be due to the level of importance that each nation puts on their citizens learning English. In Sweden (and most Nordic countries I asume) English has a very high level of importance... to the extent that we start to learn it in school very early (4th grade for me... and today they start as low as 2-3rd grade)... and usually the only movies, tv-series, videogames, etc, that gets dubbed to Swedish, are the things that are targeted at children... so kids roughly 10-12 years and younger... entertainment for everyone else is left in it's native English and will at most have Swedish subtitles. So for the past 50-70+ years most Swedes have had a huge exposure to English being spoken in most things... so even my dad who is really shit at speaking English, can still understand it and make him somewhat understood with his broken "Swenglish"... XD Where as for example France... where I think that they do start to learn English pretty early in school... they do not put as much importance on English outside of that... since I do believe that most English speaking entertainment that the French are exposed to are almost always dubbed into French. So while in Sweden the norm is that most English entertainment stays in English (unless it is for young kids), where you have an option of subtitles if you need them (or when on tv the subtitles are there no matter what)... In France the norm is that almost all English entertainment get's dubbed to French, where the French would have to them selves deliberately search for none dubbed stuff instead (with or without French subtitles). And I think that makes a pretty huge difference in peoples ability to speak English... the more exposed you are to listening to English as you are growing up, the higher the chance of you being able to speak English fairly well. Of course learning it in school, and deliberately practicing it on your own as well, is important... but I think that "indirect" learning by just spending a lot of time with English entertainment is almost as important as the other things. I recall getting to watch the tv series "V" back in the mid 80's when I was about 6-7 years old, and I was able to follow along and know what was going on thanks to the show having Swedish subtitles... and by the time I started learning English in 4th grade at the age of 10, I was already slightly "primed" in learning English since I had seen it on tv during the previous 10 years of my life). I mean my mom has always told me that when I was a kid, like 8-9 years old, I would translate English cartoons to my younger brother that we watched on a channel called "Cartoon Network" (a British tv channel I think, so did not have any subtitles)... and as far as she could tell, I was actualkly more or less translating it correctly... like I said befor, I did not start to learn English in school until I was 10. Now I my self do not remember doing this at all... but my mom is adamant about that I was doing it befor I started to learn English in school. Currently I still use subtitles when I watch things in English... but, I don't use Swedish subtitles, I use English subtitles instead... because eventually I realized that Swedish subtitles don't always translate things correct, or try to translate it to have the same meaning but said in far fewer words. And to me it get's really annoying to have to sit there thinking about how they translated something wrong or what ever... so I use English subtitles instead. It's not that I need subtitles, I am perfectly capable of watching English things without subtitles... I just like having them there so that if I did happen to miss what was said I can quickly throw my eyes down to the subtitles and get an idea of what I missed. Plus... I am used to subtitles, I have grown up with there being subtitles on close to everything none-Swedish that I watched. This is partly why I always also prefer to watch anime in their native language with English subtitles... never been a fan of dubbed anime, since I feel most of those tend to loose the intended "feeling" that is there with the Japanese voice acting. :)
@@Calistarius79 Juha Kankkunen said that Pirelli line when asked about what kind of tires he has =D. And "V"... I remember seeing one or two episodes back in the 80's (we're about the same age I see) and it was scary as hell when I saw the face ripped for the first time. And I've given up the English subtitles too if the audio is good enough. I just noticed a month or so ago that all this exposure to English YT videos has helped quite a lot to my speaking too (even though it's a bit "stiff" at first still because I don't get to use it a lot, once or twice a year maybe).
Very interesting. I appreciate hearing insights from practitioners of the art. Check out "Slaying the Dreamer" and "The Siren" from the same End of an Era concert.
High male tenors,- ahem: Ian Gillan, Glenn Hughes, Tony Martin, Sebastian Bach, Rob Halford, Geoff Tate, Jon Oliva, Udo Dirkschneider, Robert Plant, Ronnie James Dio....... This version of the Phantom is probably never gonna get outshone,- and personally I find the version with Floor and Henk lame in comparison ( Floor fan btw). There, I said it,- go crucify me. Love this channel. High male tenor: Skid Row-Wasted Time - Official Video ( Sebastian Bach)
This is one of my favorite Nightwish performances. It is very iconic. In addition, the parallel that is possible between the history of Nightwish and the story told by the musical is very interesting. Tarja would be Christine and Tuomas would be the Phantom. In the musical's history, the Phantom is in love with Christine. It is an unrequited and stormy love. In addition, the Phantom is heard through Christine when she sings his compositions. The story of Nightwish is marked by dramas and many say that Tuomas suffered from an unrequited love for Tarja. Tuomas used to say that Tarja was the voice that best expressed his feelings. The lyrics of songs in Tarja's day were often very confessional. Christine was the voice of the Phantom, while Tarja was the voice of Tuomas. In the musical, the Phantom disputes Cristine with Raoul. At Nightwish, Marcelo (Tarja's current husband) said that Tuomas disputed Tarja's love (read the answer he gave to question 36 of the fans). Nightwish's choice to cover The Phantom of the Opera, just the part where Christine and the Phantom sing together, seems to be a very interesting coincidence, or who knows, it might even be a choice made by the unconscious, if the situation is viewed from a psychoanalytic perspective.
SOMEONE SAID IT omg I have literally had this exact theory for years. I think Tuomas saw the parallels when he saw the musical and that's why he chose to put it on the album.
Any chance you could react to UTA Tonight We Ride and talk about the background vocal growls specifically the ones that sound like a lion roar? Is that actually them or do they have an effect on their voices?
Speaking of vocal ranges and male operatic singing... PLEASE check out Yannis Papadopoulos' cover of Ghost Love Score if you haven't yet. And right afterwards, "Blind and Frozen" by his band Beast in Black. He's absolutely amazing live and a really fun and kind person too. Had the pleasure to see BiB supporting NW twice in November and December and met him after the first of these shows for a signing session and a photo. He's truly amazing.
Right. I Love Nightwish. And Tarja&Floor&Marko. Buuuut, I think you should try something new! I would love for you to hear Sabaton - En Livstid i Krig. It might not be the craziest or most spectacular, but it hits hard. Basically it's a ballad (kinda) from a power metal band, about the thirty years war... But from a soldiers perspective... In Swedish, in front of a packed Swedish arena. I was at the show after (in Stockholm) and it really was very powerful. I think you'd enjoy it, even though it lacks screaming (: Edit: I missed to say that the live version in Gothenburg is the One to watch
Floor did a version of The phantom of the opera as well on the Dutch tv show beste zangers. Worth taking a look at just like pretty much all of floors stuff is tbh. She is the queen of vocals for our generation pretty much. The fact she can go from opera to contemporary to growl in the same breath is just crazy
She sang it with the original Dutch Phantom/opera singer/huge musical giant for her -- Henk Poort. You can hear him on the cast album (Het Spook van de Opera) with Joke de Kruijf as his Christine. Some of the best acting on a case album I've ever heard. (Also, he was the original Dutch Jean Valjean. Also a great performance)
The outfit was actually one of several she wore during that show- and each had a color coordinated mic. That video is from the End of an Era concert. And it truly was. When the show ended, so did Tarja’s tenure with the band. The relationship between she and the band had deteriorated to the point that the remaining members felt it couldn’t continue. There is a definite contrast between her voice and Floor’s but there is a video of the two of them singing together and Floor is able to blend with Tarja incredibly well.
Man, you are SO much fun to watch and listen to! I love your take on good music! I've watched several of your reactions by now and I'm not getting tired of you analyzing and reacting! Very solid and sympathetic! Greetings from Germany from a Nightwish fan from wayyyy back then when they started.
Hey! I noticed when you were imitating tarja, you didn’t quite open your mouth large enough. A good tip for singing opera is to sing like you’re making fun of opera singers, it’ll put your voice in the right place and you’ll open up enough space. I’m not a pro opera singer tho, so take my advice with a grain of salt.
You ought to try Beast in black - Blind and Frozen, the singer there - Yannis Papadopoulos - has an amazing range. Then you ought to listen to him (solo) sing Nightwish - Ghost Love Score and be amazed...
THE Siren, Tarja Turunen... Oof! This was Fall, Helsinki, Finland 2005, "End of an Era" Tour concert. I was 18 then, I'm now 37. This was the last time we heard the Siren, the Viking, the Pirate, the Vampire & the Zombie all perform together. I'll never forget it, beautiful venue... Cheers from Portland, OR! 😎🍻
And no disrespect to any singer out there, but any guy singer, or at least 99.5% wish they could do what Marco does. He’s truly epic. From metal, rock, hard rock, to more operatic styles, or the islander, almost pure folk/rock. And play too at the same time. I can’t sing worth a damn, especially these days, I’m fairly deaf now, huge range of hearing loss from working on helicopters, used to be naturally good, but untrained in singing, what I learned was wood winds, was great at it, just naturally, not a brag, just lucky, I could rock a clarinet, what I learned like most couldn’t, from jazz/swing…to classical music, was always first chair. And honestly never could read music all that great, I just listened and learned, that’s what I was great at, though I can still do it, and kinda play. I can’t learn like that anymore and play, as I’m an octave too low or high usually, cause I’ve never been awesome at reading sheets. Main way I learned by hearing and doing. Which is a shame, still have my great, real wood clarinet, but can’t listen, learn and match anymore. Which is funny always got me shit in school, cause I was kinda a nerd/geeky into table tops/rpgs. But owned, shot guns, had 4.0 gpa, and starter on varsity football from 10th grade on, plus the whole playing clarinet thing, and great at it, so yeah, was a total outcast, haha.
I think what he did there can be considered a whistle scream register, right? 13:29, Id definitely sounds like high falsetto mix, a distorted whistle mix? I've heard that can be done. I know "whistle" register is usually around 6th octave, or even seventh for women, but i think that men can enter it much sooner.
that's the wrong Phantom of the opera. you must see the Phantom of the opera by Floor Jansen and Henk Poort (Dutch Phantom from 93 to 96). "Beste zangers 2019 Floor Jansen en Henk Poort met The Phantom of the opera"
It's impossible to compare Floor and Tarja with opera singing, Floor is not a opera singer like Tarja, she has only 1 year of classical training followed, like Tarja can not sing like Floor Metal/Rock because Floor has studied so many years at the Rock academie. So the two lady's comparing with each other, it is like compare a cow and a horse. Both are good in their own playground. We have to respect both of the singers, some love Nightwish with more opera, and some with more rock/metal, that is all there is.
Floor is not "less so". Floor is different so. I've been a fan since I think 1997 and god I love them both. Shut up, there was no singer in between. Except for a couple of songs that I also lo.. dammit.
The good thing that came with Marko leaving the band is that him and Tarja now are touring together as solo artists bringing back the old magic they made with their voices back then.
I'm kinda torn with using FF9 as a stopper holder - like it's great that you it's in frame, but like... it's better than holding your cork! Your highs sound good btw Also good reaction lol. Tarja is very different than the other 2 main vocalists. I love her singing and what she brings to the role, but also appreciate what the others bring to the role. Floor is clearly an incredibly vocalist and it's hard to try and compare
I would love to see *equip sunglasses* by Hot Mulligan. It's more pop punk style, yes, but there's a lot of artists that do that technique and it seems tough.
This same night Tarja was fired from the band. It is said all bandmembers thought it was the best performance ever. BTW Tarja had a similar outfit /mic/stand in firetruck-red
@@رزيئة Well, she made no secret she wanted to leave the band and continue with a solo career. I understand she just did not expect the band to beat her to it. You can read the letters to each other. They were posted online. nightwish.fandom.com/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Tarja_Turunen and nightwish.fandom.com/wiki/Open_Letter_from_Tarja_Turunen
What about a female fronted band from Germany wich has stylistic influences from Korn, Slipknot and In This Moment? Their highly charismatic, energetic and powerful singer Elli Berlin has a large range from clean over harsh vocals up (or better down) to growls. Her voice is really unique in a very positive way. A band that is definitely worth to be reacted to 🤘 I love their power ballad „Wo Rauch ist, ist auch Feuer“ (incl. English caption) which such an intense atmosphere. Ellis voice and charisma is just awesome: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lOIy-i6c_iI.html Anther good start to get to know them is also „Freiheit“ (Freedom), which has English subtitles: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5GaqkD3jJB8.html Their song „Friss Dich auf“ is pure heaviness and has a creepy video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-V6CJ0Rq8sZU.html Hass” (Hate“ Yes, it is as heavy as you can guess by the title) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wo4Ppm6QzpQ.html Turm der Angst A not so heavy song but very intense. Very melodic and some harsh parts. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-M8o9TafCMxc.html
@@danielledaniel1900 Oh yeah, there is a lot more to the story indeed. And indeed Tarja had announced she would leave the band. But it was agreed to make one more album together and do one more tour after the End of an Era tour. Tuomas broke that agreement.
Most important (jk) How to get that mead in Canada? I didn't know anyone made dark mead like that. I will have to do some hunting. It continually amazes me just how well any type of music can be rolled with metal in any proportion. I've yet to find something that can't be made to work. I think (?) Nightwish was my first introduction to this, since I've been listening to them since about 2008? Thank you for this breakdown of this song. You always shed light on new songs and old favourites, and have increased my appreciation of metal vocals, as well as clean vocals. I'm very much an armchair appreciator, but I do hear more :)
So, if you want to continue down this rabbit hole, may I recommend: 1) Tarja solo with her band doing this with all sorts of amazing phantoms, including Russell Allen; and 2) Floor doing this with Henk Poort on a cheesy singing show called Beste Zangers. Henk said he would only agree to it if he could do it with Nightwish. And Floor was legendary!
