The Philosopher’s Stone Created Aurelius Dumbledore [Harry Potter Theory] 

It has to

It doesn't explain why the movie is so bad

Yes yes yes

Yes it does

Uhhh... gimme a sec to process.....ok

Me reading this comment as J says it 😆

I was like: “Wow. They used the stone to metaphorically turn silver into gold.”

Is that why Ariana from Pokemon was called that, because she was in Gold and Silver?

@@nadiategeneva3232 "The name Aurelius is a boy's name of Latin origin meaning "the golden one". ... In ancient Roman history, the name is associated with Marcus Aurelius, a Roman Emperor from 161 to 180 AD, the last of the so-called "Five Good Emperors." He is also considered one of the most important Stoic philosophers." And it took a minute to find on google, but the meaning of Ariana in Old English is apparently Silver. I however do appreciate your comment because it did make me look it up instead of just taking their word for it.

@@nadiategeneva3232 Thats probably true. I searched for the name meaning for Ariana rather than Silver in other languages, because names are usually only related to the words and not direct translations. Here is what I found. Probably not the best source, but I can see how they found it. Meaning and Origin of Ariana - FamilyEducation Girl name origins & meanings. Hebrew : Like a beautiful melody; Old English : Silver; Greek : Holy. Girl name variations. Aari · Aarie · Aariel · Aaries · Aree · Arey.

Couldn't have said it better.

Haha i felt the exact same. really really loved that theory, the only thing that i'm curious about is how did Grindelwald realise that Credence was Aurelius? And if he can see the future, wouldn't he have been able to tell much earlier that Aurelius had not died in the shipwreck and then wouldn't he have gone looking for him much sooner?

Yep!

True

They should be paid for moping up the plot points..😂😂😂

Lol this deserves more likes

@@goatplaysguitar it's currently at 380 and 2021 isn't over yet

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Yeah you are so right hahaha. I think its because if this theory was true and they put it in the movie people would complain and syaing its to complicated.

that is the usual reaction to a crazy SCB theory

Same

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Aspen Hansen I know right

credence's aunt who died during the shipwreck: am i a joke to you?

Hi Seamus! I loved your last video! I don't know if this means anything to you, but I think your hair looks great.

It's the guy with short hair from the chanel about the thing! Agree v. good work on this one.

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Oof Seamus

It really is great. Now I feel spoiled.

They can hire the brothers now 😂😂

But he ain’t a Dumbledore. Now if you are saying this is the only theory you accept that would make him a Dumbledore, sure, why not?

He's Arianna's son

I can actually live with him being Albus' nephew. It could have been much worse. This theory is intriguing, but probably to complicated to sell it to a mass audience.

I love that we were all wrong and he’s alberforths son

It's amazing how noone guessed it! There weren't even so many options. Dumbledore's nephew is spot on though

Yeah yeah yeah!"

Beren OfNumenor Because money?

Charles the French?

More like “Write that down! Write that down and we might be able to repair the failure of the second movie!!

@@liongirl1693 honestly 😂😂

I feel like that would make a great fanfiction

Lol

That would be better for Cursed Child than got Bellatrix pregnant!

LOL

@@MarieGarrett. oof

That is like alchemy from fullmetal alchemist

@@ProfAzimov I was thinking that after I watched Fullmetal alchemist and I wonder if there is alchemy/ human transmutation involved in making horecruxes.

@@kenzgitz9884 In OG FMA not brotherhood, it could be said that homunculi are essentially horcruxes of those dead being "resurrected" in less than human bodies

@@kenzgitz9884 There is transmutation involved. Dark magic is a domain by itself for scholars, but it's essentially just a mix of the other classical domains. They're just meant to create evil things or events, hence why they're classified as "dark". But what is dark is just the end result, or a part of the creation process. The standards of magic still apply to dark magic, meaning the very act of manipulating and modificating a soul and/or a body, however the purpose of it, is actually a part of what transmutation can do. You're just not meant to do it, hence why it's forbidden magic, and its process is considered very dangerous and harmful, hence why it's called dark magic. But it's dark transmutation, with some other steps that I cant remember that come from other branches of magic.

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I don't know. This sounds like one of those Dumbledore Horcrux theories that she would find very upsetting.

@@TheSongwritingCat it's not a theory that makes somebody gay, so she probably wont endorse it

I'm fine with her using it...

We'll see. It's clear she has a plan since she talked about it with Jude Law right after he was casted as Dumbledore.

I'm like that with most of their theories. A lot of them seem like the most ridiculous of ideas but by the end I'm convinced that it's the absolute truth. I hope they continue to use their powers for good.

EVERYTIME

credence's aunt who died during the shipwreck: am i a joke to you?

Credence is a homunculus created by Dumbledore and therefore a Dumbledore... I'd buy it.

Philosopher's stone... Homunculus.... Full Metal Alchemist???

And what did Dumbledore teach at Hogwarts? Transfiguration

@@ryanward5770 he was the teacher DADA and trafigartion teacher

@@unknownerror9551 he didnt teach DADA he must have been substituting or something

@@ryanward5770 he taught DADA until Travers banned it (this is in FBAWTFT, TCOG)

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I open at the close.... If this turns out to be true, I'll scream it at the theater while watching the last movie.😂😂

The resurrection stone (1 of 3 hallows) to which you are referring is not the same stone as the philosophers stone. So not sure what your plot point is aiming for.

Sam Da Man sorry, I didn’t make it quite clear what I meant. I’m simply refereeing to the thematic elements spread across the entire first trilogy in regards to that phrase. Take the first and last words in the movies being spoken by “albus” in one form or another most see this as a subtle “I open at the close” and that loose nod to that phrase is what I’m referring to. As it would be another great link to the story that started it all of the story that ended it all focused on the same object.

That would be more of a I close at the open

@@munjee2 Do you not realize that it works either way?

I am an absolute NERD when it comes to name meanings. Whenever I write, I try to find the meaning of names so that way there's a greater connection. I will find connections (preferably more than one) that seem like cool names on the surface, but digging deeper you'll find new meanings and sometimes these meanings may hint towards the future of the character, not just the past. I'm in love with those concepts and apply it whenever possible. When I make up a name for my characters, I apply a new meaning to them that's based around that word or it origins.

What if they created a homunculus and then bound Ariana's obscuris to it to see what happened? And then they sent this homunculus to America where one of their contacts could better study it's development

Makes scence in my book ^^

Strange magic is in work here... under normal circumstances, Ariana‘s homonculus should be her age and be a version of herself. Instead, it‘s, in this case, a baby boy. May be its the obscurus...

@@ChathuriManjula9 Listen People: Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood! I tell ya!

@@unknownfantasyalchemist Or you can have taste and prefer the original series :P

I think they go hand in hand. Like, Aurelius is Ariana's dark twin -- without a body until Albus gives him one accidentally.

@@robertofontiglia4148 Dumbledore in CoG: "Crednece is _a_ dark twin." Ariana's dark twin

WalnutHead ????????????

Sorry I accidentally put ?’s

@@lijunyin1341 what

This is similar to the anime full metal alchemist where philosopher stones are used to create many homunculi

You're talking about the dude who dumped a one year old on a doorstep and left him there for hours tho lol

Credence wasn't unaccompanied. We know that he was accompanied by his aunt. Funnily enough, despite having lost so many family members, one of the last Dumbledores left is Albus' aunt.

Also Dumbledore may have realized that grindelwald knew of Aurelius and might try to trace him through Dumbledore to probably kill him (and he was right, as always)

@@shikharsrivastava4922 Also Aurelius, interesting name considering that Aurum is the Latin name for gold thus the chemical symbol Au. Anyone want to guess what the Latin name Aurelius actually translates to? Yup that would be Golden now it could be coincidence that English speaking early 20th century wizards picked this name at random but in light of its connection to the famed transmutative properties of the stone it seems an interesting coincidence. If anything it seems that this is made less likely by the fact that even among the more Latin exposed magical communities use of Latin inspired names was already becoming archaic. Even in muggle cultures forced to rapidly adopt a new language naming traditions lag behind by several centuries at least. Also lets face it wizard culture seems to be much more conservative in general which somewhat makes sense they don't seem to have experienced the rapid improvements in quality of life due to innovation muggle cultures have. Muggles have had a lot of incentive to become adaptable to new ideas as this as adaptability to new ideas has been rather useful at remaining not dead a while longer in recent centuries. In a weird sense this view of things resonates with me as it plays into an idea I derived from the concept of clarktech etc in modelling a fantasy themed modern era world I created. Basically the fae the world initially consisted of humans and fae but later expanded but in the lore the fae considered humans to be in possession of crude arcane magic that the humans termed electromagnetism. Essentially the idea was that humans were rather late to the party on this as their magical abilities were not innate but they had discovered magic through study and build artefacts to harness it. A method the innately magical creatures considered crude at best especially as it was tinkering with but one small part of the fundamental energy of all things. Kinda bizarre to explain in a brief summary but it was somewhat like a hard scifi meets fantasy sort of universe based entirely on a magical force somewhat along the lines of the quantum field that could be manipulated innately or through arcane means.

Some sound proof there my friend.👍

Illuminati comfirmed

And Argus. As in Argus Filch.

Also Armando Dippet

@@rebeccaschwartz5477 yes but the point I was going at was the Dumbledores

To bad they went for the most boring explanation

This is a great comment

If u mean by Duel, the epic one between Dumbledore and Grindewald, it happened in 1945 :-)

@@thathsaraamarasinghe6774 It took me a few minutes to remember what that comment was about ^^' No, I'm talking about the smaller one that caused the death of Ariana,in August 1899, 2 years before the birth of Credence.

@@Shotanat Ohh ok sorry, my bad

Most likely this is what the story of the next FB&WTFT will be

Really! What's the book called?

the secrets of nicolas flamel

The Secrets of the Immortal Nicholas Flamel - That was a tedious book series for me to read. but I'm the only one I've talked to who didn't like it, so give it a try 😁

Personally I really liked the middle books in that series. In my opinion the first book took awhile to find what it wanted to be which made it a little weird and even boring at times however it definitely gets better as you read farther into the book. However, the middle books in that series know what they are and what they’re doing and they’re really interesting and fun to read. The story gets a little confusing near the end but you can always do what I did and search up a summary explaining what happened to help you understand the last book better. Definitely give it a read and make sure not to give up on it just because of the first book like I almost did. I think my favorite book in the series is The Sorceress but it’s been awhile since I’ve read them so I’m not sure what my favorite book would be now.

Oh yeah... I read that, it I don’t remember it.

thats an interesting point! But wasn't Dumbledore in touch with flamel while at Hogwarts (before Ariana's death)? Maybe the reason he was in touch with flamel was to discuss if an obscurious could be extracted from a child (his sister)- that would definitely catch Flamel's interest, no?

@@anne5756good point! like he was searching for a cure before he even graduated

Maybe he had a vision but couldn't see the baby's gender. Then he just assumed it was a girl. He says to Credence, in Fantastic Beast 1 that he was looking for a girl because he had this vision. But he actually just assumed it was a girl. He might thought that they were able to make Ariana born again.

@@eldancer2 however because ariana is based on the name for silver and the stone turned her obscurus into a different body he is Aurelius. Since it turned Silver Dumbledore into Gold Dumbledore.

Isn't the phoenix at the end the little bird he rescued earlier in the movie?

@@eldancer2 he might have assumed it was a girl because Ariana herself was a girl too, he couldn't have guested that they changed by accident the gender of the baby.

Imagine if they'd written the script see this and rip it up and rewrite it!

I’m prepared to be disappointed as this is too good to be the actual story

@@mickeyolds7383 it most likely is what Rowling is going for. Rowling has said she researched an insane amount of alchemy to write the harry potter books, way more info than she could ever use. Besides the obvious philospher's stone and Flamel storyline, a lot of people don't realize the amount of alchemic symbolism and references she put into the HP books, and she's carrying it over to the FB series. If you look up Alchemy and Harry Potter, there is a ton of analysis you can find. Just look up Magnum Opus Alchemy. It talks about the 4 alchemic stages to create the philosopher's stone: Rubedo = red phase Nigredo = black phase Albedo = white phase Citrinitas = yellow phase Rubeus Hagrid - rubeus means red, so Hagrid represents the red phase Sirius Black - represents the black phase Albus Dumbledore - albus means white, so Dumbledore represents the white phase Lupin could represent the yellow stage. Even though his name doesn't mean yellow, his nickname is Moony because of the werewolf thing. Moon = yellow. Alchemy includes spiritual alchemy, which is basically the process of spiritual/psychological/personal transformation. The real philosopher's stone or the real gold is the transformation of one's spirit/mind. The transmutation of non-precious metals (like lead) into gold is a metaphor for one transforming one's mind or spirit from a lead-like state into a gold state - bright, shining and pure/good. This is basically the "hero's journey" of Harry Potter. Harry goes through his alchemic personal transformation firstly with the help of the different father-figures listed above, they guide him through the different stages or phases. And then, as they leave Harry or die one-by-one, Harry has to come onto his own and complete his transformation alone. Hence why he goes into the forest alone to face Voldemort and his final duel against Voldemort is done alone, 1 v 1. There's a ton more alchemic symbolism in harry potter, this is just one example. It's actually insane how many things Rowling wove together, she really created a genius piece of modern literature. So I'm not surprised she is taking the alchemy route to craft the FB series, she has enough knowledge of alchemy to do so. If you look up alchemy, you'll see that one of the ingredients used to make the philosopher's stone is something called prima materia. Prima materia is said to be mercury sulfide, which is sometimes known as Dragon's Blood. Dumbledore's chocolate frog card mentions that he's notable for discovering the 12 uses of Dragon's Blood. This is more than likely a reference and a result of his alchemy work with Flamel.

Were you convinced?

Pretty much had the same thing happen to me.... and yeah, I am convinced. Its probably the best explanation I could imagine

@@sethkeown5965 it's a good theory and def a better theory than their "creedence is Dumbledores dark twin" theory. I can see Dumbledore thinking that his brilliance could save Arianna from death, maybe by extracting her "essence" (a crucial part in alchemy)

@@isaiahcaston4539 my only fear is that JK will rush the explanation in the next movie and make this plausible idea feel cheap and unfufilling.

I am so convinced that I'm afraid that 1) he spoiled the next movie 2)if that's not what is going to happen then what they said is canon and the next movie isn't.😂😂idc it seems so fitting

Ikr

Seems reasonable that using the stone like this would take allot of power and maybe leave the resulting life mortal. I mean he is going to be dealt with in some capacity, be it t death, put away somewhere, or separated from the obscurus.

@@insaincaldo You're only immortal when you keep drinking the elixir. Once Flamel had no longer access to the elixir when the stone was destroyed, he died. So I guess you could say that applies to Credence as well?

@@ExtremerZocker284076 Presumably, or it's like an Obelix situation. Kinda hard to grasp at anything when we barely know anything about the making of the elixir and how it works.

Well you have to keep on drinking the elixir to live.

i like this!

But isn't Flammel tied to a potion he has to drink like always to keep him alife?

Well they did mention that Credence being such a rarity among Obscurials is that rather then being a boy who developed an Obscurus, he was an Obscurus (a Dumbledore's Obscurus no less) who gained a body So although I like your thinking, I don't think it would work since Credence is almost certainly not alive by the time Harry shows up (both narratively and world building wise, he just can't survive to the end of this series) And he can't die with immortal abilities (Flamel also had to make a Elixer to keep immortal, but it would be funny if Credence has a gift for potion making)

We can only hope

Yesyesyes!!!!👌🏻

hehe

I believe it's affectionately called Pigfarts and it's on Mars. You need a rocketship to get there.

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YES

Thats a better credence... CCR.

Heterosexual life partners. Just like Achilles and Patroclus. Very Manly (especially Achilles), very straight, very much... why do I hear Whisper in the Wind?

@@Mirro18 I'm Jay and this is my heterosexual life partner, Silent Bob.

@@cortneymaitland4429 Very heterosexual. Very not... why does Whisper in The Wind Keep playing!?

Haha that's so true

Well, she can't even keep her own cannon so they are as much cannon as JK's stories at this point

Your canon became a cannon lol

*cough cough!* Cursed Child *cough*

@@lionproud1287 I know of no such thing. You must be misinformed.

voldemort: dumbledor never told you what happened to your father harry. harry: he told me you KILLED him! voldemort: no harry, I AM your FATHER!! harry: nooooo! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!

Alma S Bery clever-I like it.

@@fleetskipper1810 Thanks haha

Also, some antic Roman mythology (the Eneida) said that Romans descend from Greece, that would make it fit even more!

To be fair, it is extremely common for a European to bear a Greek or a Roman name

@@chingizzhylkybayev8575 I think it still says something that Arianna is the greek name and Arelius is the roman one.

Timi Sterr Exactly!!!

There's several amazing fan theories that the texts totally support that JK said aren't real. Don't care, if it sounds credible I'm going with it.

Heck yeah

Turns out they’re better writers than Rowling-

O.o who's steve?

@Paige Jasmine THATS WHAT I THOUGHT!!!!!

Only Dumbledore, sadly

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thanks frisky bits :P

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Could explain why it took Grindelwald so long to find Aurelius

Aurelius=Aurum=Gold

And why he assumed that Aurelius was a girl

He is a pretty good seer.

@@CaitLumos Oh yeah, if he's Ariana's obscurus, he would have been looking for a girl which was why he targeted his "little sister" so quickly.

Morgan Johnson if we are lucky, her next movíe will make this much sense lol

Totally agree. Now I want books of fantastic beast. I wish I had them 😍

If this is true, she didn't know about it back then. Otherwise, Dumbledore would've told Harry.

I really like that bc it reminds me of the saying to be careful what you wish for. Just bc you wish immortality doesnt mean youre young, beautiful or indestructible forever and vice cersa ^^

But he could still use the gold to hire a housekeeper or something. The Flammels seem like nice people, I think they could treat a house elf well.

I remember a few years back when JK was still working on Half-Blood Prince but someone wrote a theory on Veritaserum.com about how Snape might have been in love with Lily and he's doing everything to protect Harry, and that must be the ultimate secret that makes Dumbledore trust him. I read it and thought: "that kinda makes sense", few years later, it was true! I hope this theory with Aurelius is true as well. I wouldn't like to find out that we waited for 3 years (?) on a cliffhanger that will be dismissed in the next 5 seconds by Gellert going like: "nah, just messing up with you!"

They sort of did it before when they figured out the identity of Claudia Kim's character before it was announced.

FMA: Remembers how a philosophers stone is made (shivers more)

What’s fma?

Fullmetal Alchemist

FMA Brotherhood

"Al-bus? Big...bro-ther."

didn't he said on the film that it was from a 8 year old girl in Africa???