I rarely often comment something in RU-vid but this time I needed to say it: one of the things that brings me to your videos is that sense of respect for others opinions and that cool dynamic between you two. Thank you for producing content, I've learned many good things from you in last years.i know this comment don't say much, but in a digital world full of resentment I think that will do some good to spread some love. Cheers from Portugal!
Chelsea: Your amount of smiling is JUST RIGHT. You have really gotten that smile balance thing down perfectly. Tony: How dare you teach me thousands of things about photography for free in a kind and thoughtful way!!!
Once when I was shopping with my son, we encountered one of the most unpleasant sales people it has ever been my displeasure to meet. After we left, I looked at my son, wondering if I should try to explain to him why some people are so nasty, and he said, "Maybe he had a poopy diaper." That's been my philosophy for dealing with toxic people ever since: maybe they're not actually that bad, they just have poopy diapers.
There are limits of course (like abusers whose abuse comes from their own trauma) but this is a fantastic way to live life in many ways. Just yesterday I had a guy get up in my face because he thought I was taking photos of him and I just sat him down to show him what I was actually shooting and give him some time to vent about the terrible day he was having. It didn't take any effort from me beyond not matching his agression to defuse the whole situation
It's not just the photography community -- anyone who goes on Facebook for any length of time will see that the internet has brought out the worst in us. The aggression people repress in their everyday lives (due to various life circumstances) seems to explode on the internet. It's a minefield.
You are quite right. Probably Chelsea / Tony mostly visit photography related sites/ blogs etc. hence they have built up this opinion. The online community as a whole is toxic to an extent. As you have said correctly people find online communities to vent their frustration. Check comments on news articles and you will understand what toxic means... I have seen people being unnecessarily mean on sites like Amazon!
I am now seeing, how people are becoming rude in real life. Online was just the start, I notice it when I am taking photos of popular spots, where many other photographers are. They often act arrogant and rude and it used to be still different 5 or 6 years ago. Very bad.
Hello Mr. & Mrs. Northrup Thank you both for sharing your thoughts on this topic. In the last 10 years, I’ve become more aware of the way my words and actions affect others and feel I’ve made great strides in changing my poor habits. It’s a never ending challenge to not be an asshole to others. Thanks again 👍🏼
I like when you guys try to nurse the trolls of the underworld back to health. I especially love when Chelsea just straight up goes in for revenge lol. She's good :)
As a newbie I have been pretty shocked by how mean spirited photographers are online. I recently decided to stop watching "critiques" from Fstoppers, because they laugh at people's photos and don't provide feedback. I don't understand that- I thought the point was to teach and inspire, not make a game out of it or hurt people's feelings. Thank you guys for actually being nice and informative.
It’s not just the photographers, camera communities as a whole hide some of the most toxic people I’ve ever run into. I thought Apple vs Android was bad 😳
Literally was in the middle of writing a post about this very topic. There are some awful people in photography community, I have found it to be more toxic than not sadly.
Great advice that anyone commenting should: *A.* assume the creator will read it and *B.* assume that they can be identified. I always find I'm a lot happier when I don't read the comments. It's a shame because I want to interact with the supportive people on my channel (who are in the majority), but unfortunately, they lose out because of the trolls.
I have been on furlough and spent more time looking at photography RU-vids to improve my photography skills. Your site is outstanding and I have Ben impressed with your breadth of knowledge and professionalism of you site. You have been very good at helping me understand my camera better. My last words on personality: tony you have such a great style and knowledge you don’t make me feel bad as a beginner, and Chelsea you are great in your way to communicate on the art side of photography. Keep up the great work I feel so much better about my photography and myself. Also, the two of you make a great team.
Really appreciate how positive you both are! I have a long way to go still, but I am light years from where I started thanks to what you’ve taught me. Thank you for putting up with the nonsense and putting yourselves out there.
I agree with most, if not all that you said. I've been in photography a long time but stepped away for a number of reasons during the transition from film to digital. When I returned, the digital equipment was more than I could afford in the wake of a couple of layoffs. But I managed to get a Canon Powershot with a superzoom and returned to wildlife photography. I had a couple of pros kind of look down their noses at me -- "That's just a point-and-shoot" -- while ignoring that I still had to use the skills I had learned in film to operate the camera, whether manually, with shutter priority, aperture priority, setting ISO, etc. I told them I was shooting with what I could afford and would be content with that, even if they were not. And I think that is how you have to look at it. Certainly the camera helps the photographer, but a skilled photographer can make do and still produce good images. And I accept and even seek out constructive criticism in order to grow. But ultimately, I shoot for myself (it's a little late in life to try to get back into photography professionally -- besides, news organizations today don't care about experience anyway. The bottom line is what I do is satisfying to me, and the nature photography I do in the Chicago suburbs is appreciated by my Facebook friends/followers -- and by some of the pros and semi-pros who appreciate my passion for God's creation and for photography. To heck with the trolls and rude folk! Love you guys and appreciate your work!
I feel your pain! ;-) I purchased an early Z6 and returned it after a week of trying to get action auto focus to work. Then I posted info on line in the appropriate Facebook group. My purpose was to alert others to the same problems your review later found. My conclusion was to stay with my D500 and D850 until Nikon got it right. WELL, you know that about a third of the posted responses were SOOOO negative and personal that I finally deleted the post. Most of us appreciate your expertise and candor with your analysis of equipment. Thanks for being you! ;-)
Ha, Exactly, same in every industry, when you do better or are the best on what you do, more often others who do the same tear you down instead of improving themselves and what they do...
Your good-natured attitude toward online vitriol, and support for each other, are lessons to all of us who have had to endure irrational commentary and personal attacks, while still trying to persevere and be positive in the digital space. Thank you both.
Tony, you're such a white-haired nice chap with a prodigious amount of knowledge about photography who always teaches me much more than I was expecting to learn. Chelsea, you're such a gorgeous woman endowed with a beautiful photogenic face. You guys do have a rare talent that appeals to a global audience. Greetings from Jordan, Mideast - thousands of miles away.
We had a discussion on one one of the D850 group about this. Some of them get seriously snarky if a noob asks a question. They attack like they have a share in Nikon stocks.
When people spend $$$$, they inevitably want to protect their investment. Nobody wants to be told that the gear they bought is flawed or useless when they spend so much. This is not limited to photography. Honestly there are indeed people who brainlessly stand up for their gear because in their minds they bought "the best available". Infact there are no camera, lens, tripod etc. that is perfect in anyway.Regardless of the brand, the price, the quality. There are only stuff that work better, and faster in a workflow. This line is so shallow that it defines whether a gear sucks or not.
gsddame it's not just Nikon. I left a Canon group on FB because (1) overt intolerance of newbies' questions; (2) random attacks of anything not Canon for no specific reason; (3) trolling by fanboys of other companies. It stopped being fun.
I'm sure if people had their Full Names and Addresses tied to their accounts for the public to see, 90% of people would think twice before they said something online. Sadly, creeps exist and privacy is a concern, so it wouldn't be that good of an idea.
@@blazeking1211 You've made quite the argument there. I agree with you. When I wrote my comment, I was talking about an "if" situation. It's not like I want it to be that way.
The internet had made most communities and fandoms toxic. Rather sad when those of us around at the beginning of the internet saw all the possibilities of being able to communicate with like-minded people around the world that they’d most likely never have met otherwise. On the contrary the internet has seemed to exacerbate the worst aspects of some people’s personality.
Love all the good points you both make about most reasons why people can become toxic. Thanks for taking the time to address this issue in our global community.
You’re a sweet couple, your videos are a unique mix of science, entertainment, education and full of insights. Chelsea, your smile is just perfect, both at min and max range. I felt the need to show appreciation for tour work after having watched your videos for years without commenting! PS.: I live in Germany, hope to meet you at next photokina and say thank you in person!
So nice to listen to your photography philosophy - I have a brother who keeps putting down my photos, defines what kind of pictures I take and would not even touch my camera because it is not a Cannon because it will "contaminate" his hands. I could learn from him but it is hard to listen to someone who thinks your work is trash and really does not give you constructive criticism. Wow, I just vented. Thanks for your perspective. I think photography is so subjective and is something that involves continuous learning, and as you said, if you are going to criticize be positive and thoughtful, not just plain mean. Tony, I love your hair by the way 😃
You are two very nice people. I started watching you because I thought Tony was the dog whisperer by accident. But I'm glad I watched because I learned a lot about photography. Thank you for all your videos.
You guys rock! I'm new to this photography thing. You guys are so entertaining, down to earth & informative! Glad I found your stuff & bought your books......it's been the most help for me as a beginner than anything.
Totally agree about the tall poppy syndrome thing. People these days seem to think the more expensive the gear the better the photographer. I seriously get sick of hearing about how we all need the latest and greatest gear, Im using gear ranging from six to eight years old and still getting great photos and making sales. Im always hearing how I should upgrade but my attitude is if it aint broken why fix it. I have no issues with canon dynamic range and I also use Fuji yet I've been told I should move to Nikon and Sony. New cameras are great but they do not give you artistic talent. I noticed this when I saw online some work from a young girl who used an entry level camera and a cheap 50mm lens, her work was amazing yet someone on the same forum with a high end camera with a very expensive lens could not match her.
I reckon camera technology plateaued a few years ago, like phones and computers generally they got good enough for it to not matter too much anymore, the snag being that manufacturers love a bit of gear snobbery, otherwise they wouldn't sell the new version. (Hello Apple!) But mostly, I just wanted to play surname snap, high five.
Oh, yeah, I'm just an amateur, but that is totally true, especially with cameras. As was pointed out already, I think cameras have generally plateaued as far as the tech goes and the general public. All one really needs is a camera that works for them and allows the individual to accomplish what they want to accomplish effectively and efficiently. I had my N80 until around 2010-2011 simply because it still did what I needed it to do and got great results with it; honestly, one of the biggest reasons why I switched to digital was because it was becoming more and more difficult to actually get film developed.
Julie - Word, I hear you yo! The specs matter less and less with each generation. DR is just the latest buzz spec, used to be megapixels, also you will hear people go on about how AA filters make photos less sharp. Not saying these things are not important, only that people are overly focused on them without any mind to whether or not what they have is already more than enough. It is all relative to what you do, and if what you have does what you need then focus on the art, it is just so much more important to know how to take a photo that is interesting than it is to have the latest gear. Then again I have close to 15K in gear now, so maybe I am not the best measure of this, lol!
My "rule" on upgrading is based on your improving skill. At some point, as you get better, you may want a photographic challenge that your current kit just can't answer. E.g., macros, low light, fast action, flying birds, etc. Then, and only then, should one consider a specific upgrade. If you can't say exactly how a particular piece of equipment will improve your shooting, and quantify how important that change is, stay with your current gear and build your creative skills. Or, just keep doing what you're doing if you like it. Don't be a gear 'ho' just to keep up with the Jones.
Thanks for making this podcast. I’ve only been really into photography for a few years now but I’ve been hesitant to get involved in the community because of the general animosity. As an introvert, it’s really difficult to be enthusiastic about finding other photographers to be friends with. Maybe I’ll stop looking at the online community and get to know people in person!
@@manilamartin1001 so true and that is because of the all knowing attitudes that a lot of photogs have. I know that was the reason why the one local club I was involved in fizzled out. Half of the group felt that you needed a pro body and lenses to be part of the group and they got bashing the others who had entry level bodies or kit lenses. Plus they went with a annual fee of $400. It was sad and now some of those jerks are filtering into a couple of the last remaining groups in my area. Hopefully we don't have a repeat!
Matt don't give up find an online space you are comfortable in or as others have suggested try and find a camera club or photography buddy you can shoot with. A buddy really helps for example when doing night shoots. There are haters online as keyboard warriors abound. Everyone learns differently understand what works best for you. For me l try and learn the technical side through reading books, mags and going online to certain web sites. Knowledgeable and friendly people do exist and they will share with you and offer help. Then after that l go out and shoot. That's how you learn and improve your photography. Your mistakes are learnings not disasters. Best advice l ever got was to set yourself mini projects to do and get out and photograph. For example one weekend take macro shots the next portraits or try using a flash or only a single lens. Enjoy and good luck.
I think that you two people are charming and not only know what you are talking about in photography but frankly your sites would be great for couples therapy as examples of mutual respect and humour.
Hi guys, I just found you a week ago. I decided to learn more about my T-6 and your easy-to-follow video made it less stressful for me to understand. Your talk on this video really hits home. I was in automotive repair for years and I would run across folks that tried to find anything that they could to put you down. I don't miss it. I got into Horseshoeing and for me it's been a tight community. A very friendly bunch and they were willing to help out the new guy. I've been taking photos since I was around 8 years old, and I'll be 70 this year. I am not a professional photographer; I mark my photos "Photo By R-- M-----". The only money that I have made was from photos that I took from a helicopter but now the drones have taken over. Anyway, thank you for your videos. I enjoy watching them. I would never do a RU-vid video just because of all the naysayers. I reckon that I'm one of those sensitive guys.
There is a lot of ego amongst on line Photographers; Lots of people thinking their work is better than everyone else. After 30 years as a serious photographer I try very hard to never be negative above anyone else's art. I only critique if asked and then usually in private. There are so many people who really think they know it all and have made it. Im still learning after 35 years
There are so many people enjoy giving criticism in RU-vid while they are in fact also taking their time enjoy watching the videos. I would respond to those simply by saying "Thank you for watching:)", when I feel like:). I picked up the interest of photographing since I was about 12 years old but I stopped this hobby and sold my last camera Nikon F-801 30 years ago due to various reasons. I am 65, retired and I've just got back to this hobby. I enjoy watching your channel and still learning a lot from it. Thank you!
I think the reason that some people get upset and argue the 'this is real photography, that's not' is because of what seems to be the growing trend of people doing digital art and claiming its photography. I know several people who wanted to get into photography but eventually got out of it because after a year they were comparing their work to what they saw online and realize they would never be that good. What makes that sad, is that they were comparing their photographs to digital art that was being claimed at being photography, and they didn't understand that its impossible to get an image like that with a camera and lightroom. Digital art allows you to create images that are impossible to do with a camera alone. Another personal anecdote, an acquaintance of mine had to deal with a damaged reputation for a while because he was honest with the client that he couldn't produce the types of images that they wanted because what they wanted was more art than photography, and they then went around telling everyone that he must be a bad photographer. I dont want to seem negative towards digital art, I love the images that digital art can produce. But it's reaching a point where it's less photography and its becoming something else. And when it reaches that point, it shouldn't be directly compared against photography. No one thinks its bad to call out companies when they say 'This image was with that camera' and its a lie. Why is it not ok to call someone out when they claims 'this is a photo I took last week, when really 75% of the image is something they made in photoshop.
Funny how non of you’ve mentioned the art of photography, I’m only 35 but truly dont give flying shit what people think of my art, it’s mine and it’s a form of art, love your chanel and the two of you !
I'm Linux person, a tech person and now I've been learning Photography, I though I was broadening my horizons, but looks like I'm just continuing my decent to toxic internet troll 😂
Then have you discovered Shane Milton? ru-vid.com/show-UC9Xdl6CglNwxCZqvwKuE9TA - he is a quite nice guy, professional photographer and Linux user. It took me ages to find this combination here on RU-vid, so I thought this might interest you.
Thanks for the advice is this better? Vim IS THE BEST COMMAND LINE EDITOR EVER! Anyone that uses Emac or Nano is COMPLETE IDIOT adn should just throw thenselves in teh trashm
Just when I thought I couldn’t like you more I stumble upon this video. Well done! Reminded me of a time in 1980’s when I was so embarrassed winning 4 of 5 awards in a photo contest a friend told me beforehand so I skipped the ceremony …..I intimidated myself terrified of recognition! Thanks again and wish you the success you deserve, you’re both so talented.
Thank you for sharing your heartfelt comments. It's beautiful to hear how you have learned how to deal with negativity, but also want to educate others to understand the importance of community, especially as someone on the autism spectrum. Your belief that we should learn why someone's work is getting recognition is spot on. By understanding and appreciating what makes someone unique, we can gain valuable insights and inspiration to enrich our lives and work. And your emphasis on treating everyone with honor, dignity, and respect is so important, especially in a field like photography, where there can be a lot of competition and comparison. Thank you for sharing your perspective and reminding us of the value of connection and empathy in our creative pursuits.
I don't get why someone would want to be toxic in photography, it should be more about having fun. Sometimes people can do jokes or sarcasm , but there should be no anger in any of it. If someone has to jump to personal attacks, then they are likely experiencing some psychological issue, (most likely, cuteness withdrawal from going too long without seeing some cute dogs, cats, birds, squirrels and other forms of extreme cuteness).
some people just thumbs you down, say negative things or leave a negative comment......without any reason........they themselve dont know why they are doing it.........it started may be as fun but then it gets developed as a habbit without logic!
Mom, dad, I think you guys are a very nice and incredibly valuable part of the photography community, watching this in the evening while having coffee and baking bread just letting go of the stress of today. I call you mom and dad because the atmosphere i find myself in whilST watching this is like listening to mom and dad discussing things in the evening when the day has settled. Very comforting and interesting. Thanks guys!
When someone asks for a good wildlife lens and are saying "I really want to get into more wildlife shots". Then people suggest 500/600 f4s because only real photographers use those and anything variable f5-6.3 is trash. Ya need that separate background bokah! The response above just turns my stomach. Who has money for those lenses when they are beginning? Even if your an x year pro, 12k lenses are expensive..
The toxic reaction is not related to photography. It is gear, which is a different hobby and seems to dominate the conversation. People get emotionally involved in the products that they identify with. You do not get that in photography focused community where the image is king and little interest in hardware. I see the same tribalism in politics, and the very worst is the extreme division into thousands of identity political faction, where each hates all the others. I am an American who has lived outside the US and have traveled to 91 countries and no place is as toxic as inside the US. Try getting on a forum that discusses politics or social justice or conspiracy theories. It is such a relief to leave again every time I visit back to the US. I talk to other expats and the same thing observation is reported. I have been shooting film and then digital for 55 years and photography or particularly equipment fights just did not get toxic until very recently. I was in the music recording industry for decades and it was both gear oriented and art of music and the toxicity was never a problem, other engineers or producers, writers etc were so supportive of each other. Look at car forums, it is not about driving but hardware and they get very personal also. Generally, the toxicity is centered around inanimate objects that people personalize. I am a member of a photo club in my adopted home city and everyone has different equipment but it seems that the focus of the discussion is images and little hostility. The fact is that it is a hobby that exists for the majority in isolation, in their home on a computer. Going out on a group shoot or to a gallery exhibition never erupts into hostility that happens daily on social media.
I'd say this is very true. I have several hobbies that I have joined forums on, and in my opinion the more hardware something is oriented the more toxic/hostile/critical it is. Here's some very supportive forums that I've liked and either never left or rarely saw nasty comments. Dance jazz/swing family Mandolin Violin Drawing/writing/sketching Fountain pen Unicycling Running Here are forums I've noticed that are often extremely hostile, and that I've joined and then left or not bothered to read. Photography Bicycling Motorcycles Photography is bad but the bicycle surprised me because I assume anybody who rides such an elegant machine would be chill, and my bicycle club is also chill, but the online bicycle forum is extremely hostile to anything "not a bike" such as an eScooter.
I don’t comment much on social media, because I usually don’t have the time nor concern. This was a great video. This problem you are addressing is global and in many genres. You see it more in your community because that is your passion. While I don’t always agree with your views I appreciate you taking the time to express yourself and informing others. So as the song says you can’t please every, so you gotta please yourself. So follow your heart and your passion and keep being you.
In creative there are standards and ethical guidelines... I'm so glad to be a full service creative and not have to rely on the photography industry. People really think that if they own a camera they're special (you own a d@mn camera)... My former art director use to say "Phk your equipment, can you do this job under these guidelines" I function that way to this day... Great video, good lessons here
One of the worst things about non personal communication is that what is typed lightly and with tongue in cheek can read like a solicitors letter at the other end. I always keep it plain & gentle.
As a tech nerd, I can agree with what Tony said about tech nerds not being able to interact properly. However I try my best to not hate, and if I believe something could be perceived as hate, I always disclose that it is not.
Thank you for this most needed video. I hope it opens of the eyes of many that are guilty of this ignorance while on social media venues. People may not want to face this fact, and that is their prerogative, but maybe next time they will think twice before posting their damaging statements. Keep up the great work.
That is really meaningless and the wrong mindset. Here is why, Joel Grimes is colorblind and he admits he doesn't know the lingo and could care less. He doesn't care if his color and contrast is off from what others think it should be. Likewise, Joe Buissink, some of his best work is out of focus... and he is a celebrity wedding photog. So , one can easily see where the toxicity comes from... photogs who think and believe wholeheartedly that to be a "real photographer" you have to have spot on tack sharp images, color perfect, the right amount of DOF, the lighting spot on and use the latest and greatest top end body as well as fast glass. I could show you my work and you'd laugh calling me a picture taker when I showed you a close up detail shot of an embellishment for one of my fashion designs, which is what PAYING customers what to see buying garments online. But I bet you never try on clothes before you buy them. Sadly, here's another point you're overlooking. Most of the guys with your way of thinking and beliefs wish to call themselves "an artist" right? Well that would mean that you are a master of your craft, which is photography, which I'm sure you also wish to refer to yourself (by your comment) as a "pro" or a "professional"... right? Well, in that case, that would mean that if you are here in the U.S. that you are a "for profit" photographer and that you are a registered and licensed business withing your state as well as paying taxes on the photography services you provide, not engaging in tax evasion by not reporting it or taking cash... AND you are making enough capital that you are not engaging in TF work with models as a means to exploit them for self promotion, then turning around to play show and tell on social media sites to say "Look at me, look at me, look what I can do! I'm a real photographer! An artist and a professional!" Right? LOL
It can be useful against many types of troll. I have a friend of a friend who went out and bought a D850. At the time I was using a D300. He picked my photos apart because they didn't have the resolution of their camera nor the native dynamic range etc etc etc. I asked to see his work, after 5 minutes going back and forth he admitted he didn't know how to use his kit properly and had nothing to show me... I give them a wide berth now.
@@danagrey3534 I get the feeling you completely over analysed the OP comment. He didn't claim to be a professional or artist. He wasn't having a go at real photographers. The OP was making fun of the entire concept of the 'real photographer' who is more interested in tearing down other people's work than focusing on their own photography. Therefore, if you ask them to show you their work as they heavily criticise you then the conversation stops because they have no work to show you.
@@NGameReviews Defensive? Now that is laughable. All of you con artist wanna-be professional hobbyist photogs are all the same. Kind of like the Democratic party. You can't see image for the camera body! (FFS) LOL Let me show you just what a narcissist wanna-be hobbyist is and why our industry is ruined because of trolls like you. Let's start with the basics..."Taxpayers must report on their tax return the income earned from hobbies. The rules for how to report the income and expenses depend on whether the activity is a hobby or a business. " Further, it is not you or anyone else who decided whether they are a pro or not. It's meeting these 9 factors and prove to the IRS you are a business and not a HOBBYIST, which the rule of thumb is that you have to additionally make a profit 2 out of 5 years. I'm not done there! Let's expose the masses of CON ARTISTS. "A person or business with a fixed place of business in Ohio from which taxable sales are made. Vendors must have one license for each fixed place of business. License is issued by the County Auditor." Its a mere $25. Plus you need to register with the Secretary of State. We are not talking copyrights yet and we are not even to pushing the shutter button ding dong! Ohio Rev. Code § 1345.02(G).“the failure of a supplier to obtain or maintain any registration, license, bond, or insurance required by state law or local ordinance for the supplier to engage in the supplier’s trade or profession is an unfair or deceptive act or practice.” Oh I bet you are one to say photogs are not "suppliers" right? Ohio Rev. Code § 1345.01(C) defines a supplier as “a seller, lessor, assignor, franchisor, or other person engaged in the business of effecting or soliciting consumer transactions, whether or not the person deals directly with the consumer.” “The terms ‘effecting’ and ‘soliciting’ are not defined by the statute, so [courts] give the terms their plain and ordinary meanings. ‘Effect’ is defined as to bring about; to make happen. . . .’ ‘Solicitation’ is defined as ‘the act or an instance of requesting or seeking to obtain something; a request or petition.' The definition of “supplier” is very broad and likely covers many businesses that do not realize they are subject to the Act. Similarly, Ohio Rev. Code § 1345.03(A) prohibits suppliers from committing “an unconscionable act or practice in connection with a consumer transaction.” Unconscionable acts are those that “relate to a supplier manipulating a consumer’s understanding of the nature of the transaction at issue.” Ohio Rev. Code § 1345.03(B)(1) "Whether the supplier has knowingly taken advantage of the inability of the consumer reasonably to protect the consumer's interests because of the consumer's physical or mental infirmities, ignorance, illiteracy, or inability to understand the language of an agreement;" Reread that last part ding dong! Make sure you pay special attention to this one... Ohio Rev. Code § 1345.03(B)(5) "Whether the supplier required the consumer to enter into a consumer transaction on terms the supplier knew were substantially one-sided in favor of the supplier; " So there goes all of you who think you are a CREATOR ALL of the time, rip people off with take tons of shots, never letting models/client see any unedited image, editing them your way, bending them over, by giving them less quality images and few than they paid for and plaster advertising marks all over them so you can go play Show & Tell in social media photography groups or use to MARKET your unlicensed business! Right? Ohio Rev. Code § 1345.03(B)(6) "Whether the supplier knowingly made a misleading statement of opinion on which the consumer was likely to rely to the consumer's detriment;" Whoa! What detriment? Um, how about calling yourself a "pro" when you are an unregistered, unlicensed hobbyist who is engaging in tax evasion for starters and then exploiting clients and model with copyrights? Ohio Rev. Code § 1345.09(A) "Where the violation was an act prohibited by section 1345.02, 1345.03, or 1345.031 of the Revised Code, the consumer may, in an individual action, rescind the transaction or recover the consumer's actual economic damages plus an amount not exceeding five thousand dollars in noneconomic damages." Ohio Rev. Code § 1345.09 (B) "Where the violation was an act or practice declared to be deceptive or unconscionable by rule adopted under division (B)(2) of section 1345.05 of the Revised Code before the consumer transaction on which the action is based, or an act or practice determined by a court of this state to violate section 1345.02, 1345.03, or 1345.031 of the Revised Code and committed after the decision containing the determination has been made available for public inspection under division (A)(3) of section 1345.05 of the Revised Code, the consumer may rescind the transaction or recover, but not in a class action, three times the amount of the consumer's actual economic damages or two hundred dollars, whichever is greater, plus an amount not exceeding five thousand dollars in noneconomic damages or recover damages or other appropriate relief in a class action under Civil Rule 23, as amended." Oh, but you are in Ohio and I'm in another state! Yeah keep thinking that! Maybe you and the masses better Google what the "Uniform Code is! LOL Language may differ state tot state, but the INTENT is the same and I haven't even mention the federal level!
@@MsCaptainMike oh, yeah, I can only imagine. I was trying to get back near home and just applied for a job with the IRS and it started. I can imagine you got blamed for everything.
Totally, coders in general. All really emotionally connected to their work, critical of other people's work bit not open to criticism. Always, always never liking other people's code. Never as super awesome as they think they are, really fragile egos. Sigh.
@@fotofillholland LOL Every developer think everyone elses code or coding style is terrible. When I was younger I was guilty of this until I realized it was happening to me everytime I got contracted to fill a expertise gap at different firms. Every subjective field has many who subjectively feel they are right. All we can do is check ourselves, and our peers.
I think you two are awesome. I'm going to be honest, the first video I watched (travel photography advice) i stopped because of your dog! But the more i watch your podcast, the more i admire you both for more than just Pixel!
When I tell people my hobbies are photography and golf, they always say ‘isn’t golf a bit of a snobs game?’ They’re always shocked when I tell them photography is far worse.
I wish you would apply that suggestion about avoiding hyperbole to yourself. Because there is another reason succesful people get more critisim, their opinion are more influential and so they have a larger responsibility. Examples: 'The photography community is TOXIC'; 'Micro Four-Thirds is DEAD'.
this comment brought a scene from Wreck-it Ralph movie to mind: "Assorted candy (fans)...with nuts (fans)" in the Sugar Rush game :D. It is like this everywhere, you get some candy and you get some nuts...
Thank you for putting this out there. As a rookie photographer in his mid-to-late 30's, it's really great to hear this. We should all pretty much ignore the haters. One thing to add about new photographers could be that many artistic people in general do struggle with depression etc. over the course of their lives at different times. It was nice hearing what you guys said about rules. I just had a buddy give his opinion that focus stacking, for instance, isn't "pure." Truth be told is that whatever the photographer/artist wants to do is theirs to do! Great talk, and thanks again!
You think photographers are bad? Take a picture of the way you (or anyone) put on some CPU thermal paste and wait for the comments to roll on in. It is so bad that big named tech channels have video after video of the best ways to do it with tests to back them up - just to get more hate. Haha
I can totally relate, I review tools and every saw review video I've done, there's a bunch of safety Nazis reminding me of how unsafe my handling is... Ugghh!
OMG!!!!!! That is the largest coffee mug in the Universe!!!! ☕️🍺☕️🍺☕️🍺 Most of the jerks online are just very frustrated with their lack of accomplishments in life and jealousy in other peoples successes. I know this is a generality, but... Regarding professional photography, even when you are doing reasonably well, there will always be those who will do their best to destroy you in some form. I remember in the late 80s while living in New York, getting a New York Fashion District News magazine cover and the Art Director called me to tell me that Steven Meisel called to complain about it saying "Why did he get this cover...it is terrible." I mention his name because it happened... Even the Art Director thought it was odd. What is even more amazing is he is one of the most famous fashion photogs in the world. There you have it...a bit of Fashion Scene gossip! 😉😉😉 I really loved what Chelsea said near the end of this vlog, "Crushing their spirits until they hate their craft!" was very poignant and relevant.
I just starting getting into photography last year and I have to say, I have interacted with the biggest bullies I have ever met in my life in the photography community. Its very discouraging. Side note, I love u guys! Thanks for sharing this. And by the way, Tony, gray hair is very charming, and Chelsea, I think you are gorgeous! Xoxo
Very insightful in identifying the reasons for the toxicity in the photography community. I agree that the anonymity that the online platform provides seems to unleash the worst in not just photographers but people in general.
You guys are so right. What's that old saying you can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all people all of the time. I really enjoy watching your videos, keep doing what you love as long as you're both happy, I've learned throughout my life that the most miserable people are the ones that can't see other people happy because of jealousy, this is a strange world we live in now a days, people will never change who they are inside. God Bless you both. 🙏🏼
So you are the Tony Northrup of NT and Win2000 etc... books! I really don't know why I never put the two together! Well hello! Loved your books back in the day. Do you still dable or is it all about photography now?
I'm our IT guy and I do most of our website programming, but that's about it. I'll say I definitely couldn't have gotten our live streaming studios working without my IT background... That's one of the most complex things I've ever designed.
so true there are a ton of people who bring the community down and its unfortunate. I am a huge fan of those who want nothing more than to see people grow and succeed, so a huge thanks to those individuals.
Try buying photography equipment from a retail store in my area. They make you feel like unless you’re published in National Geographic, not to waste their time.
I've found this same thing! I travel for a living and have visited stores in MANY cities, as well as my local camera store that I've spent tons of money at, and I find it super common for the people who run camera stores to be arrogant, curt, and snobbish toward me... Its the complete opposite of say a car salesman, you'd think they'd want to help you and get your money. Sometimes I think I must just look untalented and poor so they don't waste their time, either way, I find this phenomenon very strange and inexplicable.
Erin Emery Exactly ! The amount of money we spend you would think they would be falling over to serve you. I feel like they are somehow wounded artists that are too good to be working in a retail store.
@@DS-rs4xn why are you concerned if someone one ups you in product knowledge if that's their job? I would HOPE they could one up my product knowledge if I walked into a store.
Thank you Tony & Chelsea for all you have given us, always remember that “love is the most powerful gift that God has given humanity, there is where your strength lies, thank you for all the wonderful things you have done for this community, and may you both have a beautiful day 🙂
