The Pillermen WERE Perfect... 

Spider-Man might be official but nobody disregards who Spider Man or Spiderman is referring to. (Except random Chrysalids guy)

@@corrinflakes9659 yeah but it's not spelt Speder Man

well it would actually end in part 1 with dio rotting in jail for attemped murder and the joestar bloodline is just some rich family

Dew it.

It's "ay ay ay ay"

Yeah same, got some pride in my masculinity watching part 2 and got freaking jacked, didn't really care about my appearance or health before that

I mean there’s *way* worse fictional vampires to take inspiration from...

Yes I had to specify ‘fictional’ vampires. No disrespect to all the good, honest, hard-working vampires out here IRL. Don’t wanna get cancelled for vampiphobic hate speech or whatever. 2023, you never know...

Aztec gods of fitness definitely fit the bill

Well, the earlier jjba characters were designed 80s action star aesthetics in mind, so they all look like body builders with wide shoulders and slim waists.

Thus the name, pillar men.

Lol

I swear they're one of the best written villains in Jojo and yet so underrated

I see what you did there

Note that Pillarmen represent the Jojo value of standing for yourself like Nietzschean supermen, while rock humans follow Diavolo's anti-value of avoidance and parasitism. Perfect culmination of waiting so long, that you stop thinking and turn into a rock. For this reason I assume the meteor that builds the stand arrows, is itself some kind of alien rock human, that wakes up and stirs the competition against the human race, pushing them to develop their highest potential in stand powers.

Agreed rip wamuu

It would be really cool to see a spin off of him growing up with Kars and ACDC

Always wanted a What if where he turned good, I think that would have been really awesome

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@@AntwanShiro considering how awesome he was at his end, I would love to see what kind of person he was early on.

Ong, it’s because they were portrayed as gods pretty much, their physique, skill, strength, poses etc. just made them feel like unreachable targets, which got even worse when Kars used the mask on himself

@@gwilkes5325 exactly bruh

Yeah it didn't feel like figuring out the gimmick of the villain, it felt like an impossibly powerful obstacles that stood in the way of our protagonists.

@KoreSharp 🥴

who do you not find intimidating im j curious

It would just become a hxh ripoff

@@frinzerevan5655 Jojo’s was written first, years before HxH, so no.

@@unluckiestpirate but it would seem that way if they continued with hamon.. since nen seems way more... thought provoking

@@frinzerevan5655 I don’t think you understand. Stardust Crusaders was finished in 1992. Diamond is Unbreakable was finished in 1995. HxH was first released in 1998. If Araki had kept Hamon, instead of Stands, for SDC and DiU, it’s impossible for anyone to have compared it to Nen because Nen/HxH did not even exist yet. If anyone did want to compare Hamon to Nen, it would be the reverse, with HxH appearing to rip off Jojo.

@@unluckiestpirate i know.. but i didn't see those in 1992 . I saw them in 2005 and HxH seemed more grounded than jojo and so it would "seem" to me jojo rip-off hxh. Emphasis on the word "seem". And it's just my biased opinion since i like hxh more. No biggie bro, peace out.

The other were in a wall The wall men

TBH I found his reveal and fight more compelling than the Awaken scene, and I think Rubicon is the most under rated JoJo's theme. I also think that he had so much potential had he escaped and reunited with the others. I really wish they'd add him to the fighting game.

@@ANPC-pi9vuhe really should of had more time, he was alot more broken then any normal pillar man

@Eggplant Dave I believe so he is still somewhere in Speedwagon foundation's laboratory under high UV light. Never got any news from him again then the universe reset. Rip lol

@Eggplant Dave he died off screen

Without kars dio wouldn’t exist

but can he stop time

@@labrinth0714 I can assure you that kars can kill DIO in a 1v1

@@JasonAizatoZemeckis but can he stop time tho 🙂

@@labrinth0714 If you're counting the light novel, yes, he can

Yeah no I agree it’s not so much any of the villains are bad, it’s just that they continue to get better after each part. Also thank you I’m happy you enjoy!

Well it's the perfect course of action Part 1 must be worse than part 2 and so the same for part 3 and then repeat the cycle, not because one is bad, but because they must always improve

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Essidissi

Friends are the most important things to people, even for the villains What a lovely message

Yeeeeeeesssssss!!!

I think Wamuu at one point he marched with Ghengis Khan so that could be interesting.

To be fair, the damage everyone was taking post part 2 would leave most people in the hospital or dead, and then find out they recovered minutes later. Black Knight from Month Python bad.

I love Joseph but from josuke perspective he was a deadbeat that left is mom, who he is very close to and didnt bother contacting him until he was senile and even then it was because of stand shenanigans, not him.

The worst part about Battle Tendency was that it ended

​@@dragonsfivenumbers7260 fr , it's just the best part at the moment, just it's how it was made was fabulous

Part 2 was my most favorite part but it has its issues. Definitely more pros than cons though.

@@strongsuccessfulweeb1400 it does have its issues but Part 2 is a classic case of: I know its objectively not the best part, but its still my favorite. Because the good stuff about Part 2 is just so unreasonably out there and awesome that the pacing issues etc. dont matter^^

Nah, Golden Wind was the one.💯

Thank you I'm glad you enjoyed!

Hope he doesnt do the same mistake with Toru

@@burakardaaksoy6339 I know Tooru had his problems but I enjoyed him and his cotton ball hair.

what about kira

Kira’s father got the arrow from Dio, and that’s how he got his stand

Diavolo wouldve ruled the world if Dio didnt happen

Hell, you could say Dio was affected by the Pillar Men since they had made the Stone Mask (Mostly Kars).

Dio might have been the main antagonizing force behind the series, but Kars was the antagonizing force behind Dio.

It definitely would’ve been nice to see more of him, especially since he was the one who originally joined Kars. We probably could’ve seen more if it went more in depth with the Pillarmen back story and maybe some other things, just based on how the story was paced probably not sadly

what? ACDC always felt pretty cool and had a great fight. If anything I would say kars was disappointing as he is meant to be the main villain but is far less interesting than the other two

@@plugshirt1762 I agree with you about Esidisi, but I also think you misunderstand Kars. I find Kars fascinating, but you really need to pay attention to all the subtleties of his actions and read between the lines to get his complexity.

When I saw Esidisi appear at Kars' back when their whole tribe condemned and attacked Kars, I fell in love. He is so loyal and brave.

@@ANPC-pi9vu with Kars I meant more so he is less interesting fight wise. As a character though none of them were particularly complex but they were still pretty enjoyable and great as obstacles to go up against

Thank you I'm glad you think so! Also I feel you, they are such great villain's, but it's difficult because the further you get into Jojo the more you start to like the later parts more, not because the previous or earlier parts are bad, but because it just some how gets better

@@AntwanShiro mhm! That's p well said I feel

​@@AntwanShiro I'm late to the party lol, where do I find the remix at the start? 😅

Both could have been done keep hamon while also introduce Stronger threats or not who said a power creep needed to happen or one that big? It could have peak and stayed at around that kars level. Hamon was already balanced especially since it could be disrupted if the users breathing wasn't right or if they were too badly injured etc. I found it quite creative in the ways things had to be overcome with that limitation. Hamon also had interesting supplementary abilities such as walk in water, climb walls, longevity, picking up water literally lol it had some neat qualifies that stands just don't have. What would really be great is a hybrid form like Joseph had keep both hamon and stands around it would have been perfect for none stand users to have to defend themselves with. If I were araki I would have kept both and had both side by side. Because it seemed to be what the idea was in part 3

Yeah I‘d switch Wamuu and Kars tbh

Santana also moved on instinct in battle, which was something to behold in it's own right. I think if he had escaped and reunited with the others, he had a lot of potential that just needed some polishing. The poor guy didn't even care about killing Joseph, he just wanted out of that lab. He didn't deserve his fate. As to the rest, I agree. Also, I think Esidisi really loved Kars. Whamu was willing to die for his personal honor more so than for Kars' goals, but Esidisi sacrificed himself in his desperation to get the Aja for Kars. He could have waited for Kars once he figured out Lisa Lisa had it instead of risking rushing in so close to dawn, and he also could have used Suzie's body to escape and regenerate instead of mailing the stone and then trying to stop them from intercepting it. I think Esidisi's true downfall was being the sentimental Pillar Man. But it also makes me love him the most. I really wish Kars hadn't humored his companions and that they remained goal focused and acting as a unit, but he respected them too much to deny them their personal ambitions. I think people overlook that positive aspect to Kars. They just take to heart what Kars said in battle with Joseph to manipulate Joseph's emotions, when his actions always proved otherwise. He truly did care about and respect Whamu and Esidisi. Maybe not so much Santana, but his indifference only read as malice, once again, when he was manipulating Joseph's emotions.

@@ANPC-pi9vuI agree. If you notice closely in the series, kars gets more “aggressive” when he loses something important. When esidisi died, kars was unaware. But wondered where he was off to, but when he found out, there was a shift in his behavior. When Wamuu died, that was kars’ final straw. After that entire arc, kars was just out of it. He was once so reserved and calm, but now he’s just out of control.

It also slows down aging. It's too useful of an ability not to have even with stands around

Also stands like Stone Free would me so broken with hamon.

​@@flowtho7742and of course with Joseph that was conveniently forgotten.

Those 2 and Stone ocean are my absolute faves... So are their respective Jojos.

@saidi7975 I respect your opinion on stone ocean but unfortunately it's bottom tier for me I just didn't like it too much at all

eh part 2 is amazing but part 1 is really mediocre. part 1 was great for the beginning and end but episodes 4-8 were unbearable

@@plugshirt1762 I liked part 1 for like it was a great thing to start with

@@brysonmyers4319 it’s a great start to the series it’s just the actual content of it really lags in the middle portion

hamon takes a week to learn even rushed and they killed dio the last day so also dio had a counter to hamon hopr this helps

It's not that everyone can learn Hamon. In part 1, Zeppeli tried to unlock Hamon on Speedwagon and he couldn't.

@@Madheim777but based on the difference between part 1 and 2, it is often implied that the ability to unlock Hamon seems to be also hereditary... as in the Joestar Bloodline and the Zepelli bloodline. I have to assume that Caesar never knew about Hamon until meeting Lisa Lisa, and Joseph unlocking his latent Hamon ability was more of an uncontrolled accident, similar to how Josuke first discovered Crazy Diamond. So by this logic, since Elizabeth Joestar (Lisa Lisa) is Jotaro's biological great-grandmother, Joseph being Jotaro's biological grandfather, and both being Hamon users, it's not hard to imagine that all of the Joestar bloodline (excpet Giorno) would have some form of latent talent in Hamon

Literally the zepelli family are well known doctors who use hamon in their medical practices

I don't think he was

Joseph defeated him. He fell into a well and the sun destroyed him.

@@Momo-zi7spno he turned into stone and got placed under the SPDWGN foundation’s care.

@@benjaminradez2679 Oh yeah I forgot

@@Momo-zi7sp very easy to forget. Imagine if he came back in a later part and got a stand.

Battle Tendency is my favourite part of Jojo. Going through stardust crusaders the first time was a slog and almost made me want to quit right there. In retrospect I like it, especially after they reach Egypt, but I miss hamon and strategy so much.

@@workinprogress8978 honestly completely agree. Part 2 is elite

He ripped the band aid off so we could get into the new world more quickly, its not the most elegant way, but it still worked.

@@Yominicationyeah but the end result is part 3 onwards feeling like a completely different franchise. It doesn’t help that he keeps replacing the main characters so there’s no one left to connect the show to the vampire story this thing started off as

Thank you! Also yeah even a short one shot of Kars and ACDC training Wamuu would be really cool just to see a bit more of them

@@AntwanShiro for sure!!! they're basically his foster fathers, afterall!

Thank you I'm happy you liked it!

There's an author on Ao3 who's got a couple of fics about that, but they are Yaoi involving Kars reuniting with Esidisi who is reincarnated as a human. They are great fics, though, if you are interested. 'Zero Hour' and 'We Turn that Old Wheel Round Again' by Dratinigirl If you are looking for a wrathful return of Kars, these aren't that, however.

@@ANPC-pi9vu thank you

Yeah that's what's fun about them. They're just OP enough to where you can compare them to other series and see if that series can give them a run for its money, but not OP to the point where its just boring.

@Antwan yea. Antagonist like that are always fun. I like to use them as a general scale. If a character can beat them without hax they have to be superhuman or gimmicky in some way.

I'm not even joking, it's "凸】♀】♂】←巨人" the part you timestamped is towards the end of the song