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Almost all the Cybermen seen in the most recent series (since Series 6 'Closing Time') have been the Mondasian variety and their descendants.

​@PathsUnwritten that's funny cause they only showed up in the s10 finale

@@bluearcher1559 So, what Cybermen do you think we're seeing from Season 6 'Closing Time' onward? They have space travel, were buried in the earth for hundreds of years, and used Cybermats. Those certainly weren't the Cybus Cybermen. The show incorporated the more modern design for the Mondasian Cybermen jsut like they did for Silurians, Sontarans, etc. The ones in the Series 10 finale were explicitly stated as being among the earliest examples of cyber conversion, giving an in-universe, hand-wavy reason for their old appearance being used.

@PathsUnwritten oh shit you're right. That's actually totally them technically forsure. I though of the Cybrus design and immediately dismissed the idea.

I am Bill Potts...

Easily the most horrifying form the cybermen have taken! They make my skin crawl 😖

that would make being a cyberman even more of a living hell, my god techincally skaro could have one and the daleks might have tapped into it thats why the sewer daleks are a thing and that they dont die, seems very much like the miracle like that woman who got trapped into a crushed car

​@@theentity5201 give me miracle day on skaro!!!

1960s television was inordinately fond of "parallel Earth" stories. Mostly because they allowed them to rent historical props and costumes instead of having to hand make something new and different every story. Star Trek (TOS) was infamous for stumbling on planets that just happened to look just exactly like 1930s Germany, to pick the MOST infamous example. *Cough*

Maybe it's a morphogenetic field effect.

Surely that's what World Enough/Falls is?

@@Pooter-it4yg true but I’d love to explore the planet and go in depth with how it had to adapt with the harsher climates

@@dellboy3678 Well maybe. In the modern era the cybermen had to make a return but were also fudged. The initial idea to tie it to modern reliance on consumer electronics was clever and the broader point that it can always happen was natural. As to the original premise, it was based on a very real push for and fear of what was labelled "white heat" technological advance under Wilson. The cybermen as a concept were probably the first truly contemporary political cautionary tale in the show's history. Personally I think it was presumed in 10th Planet that the Mondasians had "cyberised" themselves out of tragic necessity, given what had happened to their environment. Which Moffat astutely echoed in the Capaldi two parter. A shame Chibnall bottled the takeover so that story wasn't Capaldi's swansong but then most of what Chibnall did was a shame.

Spare parts exists

@@nathanbreen5535 All kinds of spinoff/extended/comic/fanfic exists and it can be part of it for you if you choose. My view is that if you want to go for it you're welcome to, but the main TV line should be complete without it. Most of what's presented here is optional and isn't "the full story".

"World Enough and Time" essentially _was_ the adaptation.

So it became just like earth lol

Fitting

Sounds like Cybertron.

​@@williammitchell4417One's a rock floating in the middle of Nowhere the other Is partially dead robot god Still both are better than galafay Which depending on the day is either Completely destroyed or there's like ten of them

We can be grateful Harbo didn't pronounce it "Tel-owce", like the Americans would... alongside such abominations as "Mythowce", "Kudowce", "Davrowce" etc. (Thinks: how is it even possible to screw up a simple monosyllable like the "-os" suffix?)

@@ftumschk Clearly you underestimate how stubborn Americans can be in their dedication to mispronunciation

@@brigadier-tc8565 Their pronunciation never ceases to amaze/depress me! More worryingly, some Brits - not Harbo, thankfully - seem to be picking up the American habit.

@@ftumschk I studied this at A Level, the long and short of it comes down to media consumption, and how much American content we're exposed to growing up, as opposed to say someone growing up in the 70s, who would only really be exposed to American cinema, and not TV or the internet like today

@@brigadier-tc8565 Indeed so. I've no objection to American idioms being co-opted into British English (e.g. "dumpster fire" seems to be overtaking "train-wreck" to describe a shambolic situation), because such things enrich our vocabulary. However, I'd argue that our language is _diminished_ when we adopt blatantly inaccurate Americanised pronunciation, when there was nothing wrong with how we pronounced a given word in the first place. Indeed, in many cases we're more faithful to that word's etymology, so caving in to American mispronunciation is arguably a backward step. The "-os" in kudos, ethos, mythos (etc) is a good case in point, because these words always have an omicron (short "o" as in "of") in the original Greek, and never an omega (long "o" as in "stove"). Also, if the word isn't Greek, the originals are pronounced with a short "o" by native speakers (e.g. the Hispanic name Carlos rhymes with "doss", not - as Americans would have it - "dose"). If we're not careful, we'll be pronouncing basil as "bayzil" next ;)

Agreed, but his specific date of birth is up for debate. Thus, the current date we widely use is his "supposed" birthday. So he's not entirely inaccurate. 😋

There is no actual evidence to support that.

@connorwinter6420 There were contemporary Roman accounts. About some cult leader causing trouble in the Judea province. Then, about his followers spreading out during the reign of Nero. And when Nero needed a scapegoat for his poor political abilities, he blamed all of society's ills on this cult of "Christians." So at the very least, there must have been some guy that had influence enough to start the whole religion. Just like there must have been a Muhammad for the Muslims or a Guru Nanark for the Sikhs.

@@connorwinter6420 Yes there is lol

@@benjamindrayton1380 We know with near certainty that he was born around the year 0, there of course is some contention, but by most accounts and the general scientific consensus, it is approximately 4-6 BC. Whether it was 4 or 50 is irrelevant though as he said "Over a thousand years" which is vague enough for some leeway, so the "supposed" is entirely unnecessary and grammatically speaking (intended or not) implies there is doubt about his birth in general

It's still a dwarf planet, as are Eris, Ceres and any number of others (some bigger than Pluto). "Normal" planets have to: 1 - orbit the barycentre of the solar system (✅), 2 - be massive enough for its gravity to pull it into a sphere (✅) [take that flat Earthers! 😂], and 3 - to clear its path of other bodies (asteroids, smaller dwarf planets, planetesimals, etc., etc., etc.) (❌)! Two out of three ain't bad 😉. You can call Pluto a planet colloquially, but not scientifically. What you may have heard about is the prediction of a Neptune-sized (iirc) planet orbiting outside of the Kuyper Belt but still in the solar system. It's not visible and highly unlikely to be so without new developments in space telescope tech, but the maths and its effect on the outer bodies that we can track really do suggest that it exists. It's been nicknamed Planet 9 (or X by some others, that's the letter, not the Roman numeral! Just to confuse matters lol). Hope this is of interest to you 😊

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@@HarboWholmes At least old Who didn't feel the need to call the planet Cyber Mondas or something similar...which would've been right in their wheelhouse to do.

Thals have been in audios and novels but yeah, you're right, they have not been on screen since Genesis. But don't lose hope, we got a Movellan cameo in Series 10, and I never expected to see them again. 😅