Honestly, that was the funniest line I’ve ever heard on an ATV channel. And that’s also the reason I got out of riding around here. It’s turned into a party with huge sxs, 30”+ tires, big stereos and twinkling lights. Nobody goes to actually ride anymore in south Alabama unfortunately.
Been wondering if Polaris will add DYNAMIX to the Scrambler and make it their highest performance model. Polaris did something like this on the snow side with the Indy snowmobile a few years ago. The name made a comeback in their lineup after years and started gaining recognition over the RUSH and then it sort of disappeared for a season only to make a triumphant return as the new platform and highest performance model. Could happen with the Scrambler. It's a great ATV. 🤔
Thanks DT!! I think DYNAMIX on the Scrambler and the RS1 would be super cool! As always though, I think they need something exciting in a more budget friendly price range too.. Maybe something with a solid axle 🤔
My friend upgraded to a new 2023 Scrambler XP1000 S so got his old 2020 Scrambler XP1000 S and got a little riding in and it's Awesome insane and will run over anything you are willing to try. Fast is a understatement and I even taking off anything it doesn't need to make it even faster like rear raçk, led light ,battery to lithium battery even the cover the muffler.
Yep. Not sure that is from the pandemic and new popularity coupled with an inability to get some parts/pieces or just plain old greed. I refuse to pay what they want for an ATV. I will go used and use the winter to do a complete tare and rebuild before the next summer saving many thousands of dollars.
Chad I was always perplexed why Polaris introduced the 55” wide atv. For me atv’s are fir tight trails where wider Sxs cannot venture small is freedom to roam larger is restrictive. Great video stay healthy 🙂
Good point Peter!! It was fun while we had it though, running through chop and making nasty trails easy.. You're right tho, not really what ATVs are about
Couldn’t argue with that. Definitely a true story. That said I absolutely LOVE my sportsman S. Crazy good FUN machine. THAT said I still want a smaller standard 1000xp for just those reasons. Smaller tighter atv only trails.
@@jimriley2812 Jim I didn't have an ate for 11 years and missed the maneuverability of it, especially when I rode my sis with Atv's. Enjoy you awesome S...we must enjoy what we have. Stay safe.
@@maraudermitchelli truth be told it was my first. IS my first. Started with a school bus. Ranger crew xp1000. I drive for a living and hitting the trail in that monstrosity just wasn’t getting it. Wanted to be IN the woods not driving through them. Seeing how totally nuts people are up there on the weekends I wanted something bigger and more stable to start on. At least that was my original thought and why I bought it. As it turns out it’s a LOT more machine than even I expected. From handling to ride quality and comfort it’s just an amazing machine. That said I want to get OFF “the beaten path” and would like a smaller bike but would still go for a 1000. I’ve been on some smaller machines and although 450-600 class is PLENTY for those kinds of trails and riding I LOVE the added power when you need it. Anyway, that’s my story. Lol
I thought when they got 48” wide that was getting a bit too big. I liked the idea of the Ace, actually considered buying one a few years ago. It’s still only 48” wide but has the cockpit of a utv. I guess it simply didn’t sell and now it’s gone. Who knows I might pick up a used one in a few years.
im hoping for a big comeback of the sport atv's. I bought a sportsman 570 in 2020 for my very first atv but now im looking to upgrade to a 1000. I would love to see Polaris bring in a new range of 1000"s in the sport classes and a few more in the 1up and 2up in the other classes as well. Great Channel boys! Cheers from Newfoundland Canada!
@@DirtObseXXion ya i watched that one and now i have a bigger choice to make....I love the renegade but i also like the full sized machines as well. Oh man you guys are not making this choice easy lol...cheers!
1. Pre pandemic my dealer had a Sportsman S and Scrambler S that sat on the showroom floor for months pre pandemic. My dealer is a high volume dealer outside Washington DC. The economy is static in DC. 2. The Scrambler's width is actually illegal in a lot of states for public riding. If you look up the original press release junoets for the Scrambler, they mention the need for lobbying from Polaris to get the rules changed. 3. Polaris dropped all race support and dropped their racing team. The Scrambler was "made" for xc style racing... but can't fit through trees. Conversely it's not great in BOTW or Baja. 4. The 1k Scrambler "Non S" is still made but you can't get it in North America. It has a few upgrades since the end of it's run in the states like e-throttle. The biggest issue is Polaris charges a premium for their products, then they're double the price to maintain. The S also had issues with QC when it first came out, especially with axles. The price and size aren't competitive either with "two-ups" for carrying your Mud Cricket to Whiskey Tango 5-30 gatherings.
@@DirtObseXXion no. I got sick from something called GBS or Guillain Barre Syndrome and it ended my season. I gotta try to hopefully be able to ride again for the 2022 season :(
Dude your channel is the best ATV-based one on YT. For real, your sense of humor, editing skills and market-insight is second to none. You guys play hard, and always have insightful and relevant content. Well done, keep up the awesome work! ✌️
Also . I have one and being used to the raptor 700 , I hate the braking on the scrambler. Back break is in awkward position and only one lever for front break only. Just very awkward getting used to
It's a really cool ATV & Polaris should absolutely NOT cancel it. I will consider a '22 model If available. Cmon Polaris keep the cool sport ATVs coming!
The local dealer here in detroit told me that people were getting hurt and killed much more often on the scramblers. He showed me one in the back that was just in a crash. Said that people were rolling them all the time and how dangerous they were. Maybe. , just maybe that's why. Thanks for the vid. Great job
Thats my thought on this quad its just big and expensive. When you can buy a side x side for that kind of money and have 2 seats. Not that I really wont one ill stick to my standard sized quads.
Yamaha is making a Killin on new YFZ450Rs & esp the Raptor 700R. All sold before they hit the dealers. I bought a '21 Raptor 700R-SE cause I was afraid Yamaha might cancel it. After seeing how hard it was to order one in April..no way. Good for Yamaha. Might buy a new YFZ450R too spring '22.
Most quit making them because nobody buys them, everyone wants a 4x4 and cvt auto. If you want to buy a new truck, you literally have to special order a manual transmission, you will never see one on a dealer lot because so few people buy them.
Popularity of sxs's is effecting the sport in a negative way from what i see. Mostly because now the trails have a higher percentage of drunks running on them. Part of the reason ive made the leap into single track riding. Its dangerous to be on a powerful sport quad running with sxs's ripping around shitfaced.
I recently bought a new polaris sportsman 850, and will be purchasing a Can am Commander xmr, when I can get my hands on one..Imo, the side by side craze will realign with atv sales in a couple years... Both atvs and side by sides have different uses, so for me, it is good to have one of both..
I thought the concept of the Scrambler S was stupid back in ‘19. Just what the world needs, a super expensive, 900 lb quad that makes a fluky grown man look like a small child riding it. It is way too big and wide for the majority of my riding areas thus I’d have never been interested. I agree with your statements on SxS’s being more about the social aspect then actually using them simply for the enjoyment of riding/driving. I purposely make new trails too narrow for SxS’s to use because I don’t want to get hit by some drunk driving one too fast. They are so dang big that they take up the entire trail.
Couldn't agree more on the SxS destroying the trails, thankfully there are still the 50" trails here to ride but a 1000cc quad isn't needed for them and you can't use the power and speed on those trails safely.
Yup same story in Arkansas, the trails are getting so rough and beat down it’s ridiculous! The trails used to be small paths through the woods. Now they’re wide-open small roads with nothing but large boulders left..
@@Allworldsk1 not everyone has a huge tires lifted 20000+ dollar side by side. The guys running the older stuff who still want to get out and have fun are now limited by the terrain. Nothing Karen about it. Running huge machines destroy trails. Facts
From what I've been told and hearing it just wasn't as popular as the Sportsman but it's still available in Europe and supposedly coming back to the US next year depending on supply chain
Weird. The 1000 S was shown on the Polaris website just last week. But now I can't find it. It definitely is not a hot seller. I have only seen two, and one of those was on a showroom floor. I received a Polaris survey a couple years ago, asking my impressions of the 'S'. I replied it was of no interest to have an ATV incapable of traveling on 50 inch trails that even some UTVs can negotiate, or to have an ATV whose weight hovers around 1000 pounds. This just doesn't make sense. In multiple surveys (including one about an electric ATV), I told them the #1 item they needed to focus on was to improve the quality and reliability of their workmanship.
Down south yeah 55" is great, here up north its a different story. But yeah price is ridiculously high. On the other hand my used xp 1000 2018 worth more than msrp right now lol
@@crazyflyboy30 the one you saw in action in Bama was at Top Trails and it was my 2020. However, I think there is a 2022 1000s at the dealership in Gadsden. The only differences are the colors and a severely jacked up price. It seems greed or desperation has taken over corporate Polaris. They want all the money without adding any goodies.
@@DirtObseXXion very true! I grabbed a 700 last November for under 4k. Needed a new rad and bearings etc. But I just did 100 miles last weekend. Thing rips like new!
Why get the Scrambler when you can get the Sportsman? It’s basically the same thing with racks and better fender coverage for the same price. My buddy came off a Scrambler 850 and got the Sportsman1000 S.
Ima throw something insane out there... option 4: the scrambler struggled against the renegade so they might make the scrambler a pure sport atv and catch the raptor with its pants down. Yes I would kinda be a loss of it but it would live on in spirit and reignite the pure sport atvs.
I told you I told you I told you remember me can am Dennis you argued with me back and forth on RU-vid when they came out I said won't last 3 years I was right talk to you when the next new thing comes out ha ha keep up the great work love your videos PS. They need something to give a Renegade a run for there money 💰🤑 that will solve the problem for polaris in the top gun spot GNCC. 55 can am Renegades 3 polaris does that tell you something 🤔
I concede.. You won that argument 💯, and yes I remember.. When Polaris dropped the Standard width Scrambler 1000, I think they basically said, "we can't build a competitive race ATV at a reasonable price with components we have available"...
I really don't know why so many people buy these new 15-30,000 things.. I can buy a jeep for 5 grand and drive it just about anywhere the side by sides go at least around here. All they do is drive roads and grades!
@@DirtObseXXion for more information. De Walker Suspension is extra in Europe. And we do Not have this Red Rims. Ours are black. And you we're talking about Side by Sides at the Cost of 30.000$. they Cost us about 55.000€ cause of taxes
Option 2 is most likely. In consideration of option three: being that I used to work at big P's RD&E center, I can see Dynamix being integrated into the Scrambler. It would probably have to get an uprated Stator-Generator, and likely higher engine output to keep up with the higher electrical demand. With regards to option three's cost... well... We now live in a world where 1,000 cc sport bikes are fairly comfortably in the $20,000 +/- $3,750 range, and those units are not really different to the Scrambler 1000S when considering they are, "built for purpose," machines. Hell, given the choice between the Scrambler and something like an RS1, I'll take the Quad 10 days out of 7. The issue is there probably isn't enough of "us" out in the marketplace.
I’m awaiting my scrambler 2023 1000s. I’m looking at the comments from last year. Even when the sportsman had the Walker Evan’s, the scrambler was still a different animal. I’m assuming most people have not seen a scrambler jump to understand ? The differences in dimensions, suspension, tires, wheel size, travel, differentials, and weight makes a big difference in performance. Now that Polaris has removed the Walker Evan’s from the sportsman, there is no stock to stock comparison. Sportsman for utility, trails, and moderate sport / scrambler for balls out sport and jumps. Pick your poison :)
Happy Spooktober DO fam. It's kind of a shame I guess. I really want to like the scrambler S in particular. My knee jerk reaction is that I'd cut the Sportsman S before the Scrambler S, but Polaris isn't stupid when it comes to making money, so it must be pretty significant in Sportsman S to Scrambler S sales that they won't risk it. Idk. Great video sir! Also really enjoying seeing the Viking kicking ass out on the track. You all are superstars.
The problem with Polaris is quality. Plain and simple. They're making so much money they need to invest in building stronger more durable machines. Their management is absolutely failing at this point.
Watching this video as a current TRX700xx owner thinking about upgrading to a Scrambler S since parts are becoming hard to come by and thinking maybe going to the Scrambler S isn't the best idea after watching this video.....
@@DirtObseXXion Honda has been great, absolutely love it. It goes through anything the big boys do in Hatfield and elsewhere on the east coast. Just be nice to have something a bit more plush as this old man keeps getting older
If its gone already i would chalk it up to the price point and width. Although the canam renegade's are pricey but they seem to sell relatively well. Interested to see where this goes.
I always read and hear about how dumb it is to be 55” wide but let me tell you out here in southern Arizona it is an absolute life saver! I feel like this bike was made for the desert and fits me like a damn glove! The only bike that I’ve ever ridden that eats chatter bumps like it’s nothing and can handle the abuse of high speed desert riding I pay my monthly with a smile on my face 😁😁😁
As an owner of a sportsman S, who has gone riding with guys who have the scrambler S, the sportsman is the exact same bike but with more storage and more utilitarian features that the scrambler. In my area, I only know of one other sportsman S owner, and probably 8 scrambler owners. I think they're both a popular model, but polaris might have a trick or two up their sleeves 👌🏻👌🏻
@@edwardfindlay9001 Cool, thanks.. I like knowing what machines are popular in different areas.. It's interesting to see how different sperate regions of North America are..
Too big and too expensive. It could be one or the other but once you put it in competition with SxS for the same price why would you buy a quad that only fits on buggy trails for the same price as an Rs1? I could see if there was a value to be had going that route and being able to hang with your buddies on their rzr but it just don’t make any sense.
@@DirtObseXXion yup that’s exactly my point as I am one of those guys who prefer a quad where you can not only control it using your body but also fit in places a SxS can’t. Really though you can get that from a bunch of other quads for way less money and you don’t lose the ability to ride the 50” trails which are generally way more common at least in all the areas I’ve ridden. I know it’s not the same everywhere but at 55” in my area you are generally going to have to ride either off road parks or buggy/jeep trails. The parks in my state are a lot of fun for sure worth the admission but that’s something to consider. The bigger trails are a lot of fun too but usually they are WAY rougher then the ATV trails from being bogged out by some pretty nasty machines I know plenty where a scramble S would struggle to even make it through and some you wouldn’t want to try without a cage. I think if they had kept it at exactly 50” with a lower price point it would have done really well I mean they addressed pretty much every issue with the original I’d have traded mine in just to get the upgraded suspension, differential and exhaust no question if I wouldn’t have lost the ability to ride local trails. Hell if they took it a step further and offered the new ride command I would probably have even paid the higher price but given it had the exact same restrictions I’d have with a SxS I’m more inclined to keep my sportsman and just buy an RS1 for the best of both worlds.
I honestly hate the idea of bigger and wider. I liked the original scrambler 500 except for the chain drive, killed the ground clearance. An updated Scrambler 570 with a smaller chassis than the sportsman and a reasonable msrp would definitely be a great seller. The older midsize sportsman 400 chassis would have been perfect. The 570 would be plenty powerful enough in a 600 lb machine as opposed to an S model weighing 1000 lbs or more.
The weight and cvt is definitely power robbing.. Good point about the chain drive lowering ground clearance but it sure is nice to put the power down efficiently..
@@DirtObseXXion In my opinion, shaft drive was one of the best innovations in atv design. Its basically maintenance free, chains are always needing to be tightened or they pop off. I feel that most atvs other than sport quads have got a serious weight problem. We've simply accepted that in order to have a powerful 4x4 machine with a comfortable ride, it has to be huge and heavy. I'd give up some suspension travel and ground clearance to get a smaller machine that is more nimble. You wouldn't need as much power either. I think if each manufacturer offered a smaller 4x4 option that cost less, they would have no trouble selling them.
“Win races today, sell cars tomorrow” I think Polaris is up to something. Hopefully they bring a machine that can beat Renegade. And… Reiger Stage5 suspensions have that Dynamic Suspension kit. One of my friend installed it on Renegade. The traction in corners is unvelievable. And the ride itself in 4x4 mode is different. No more surfing on loose road wheh you hit full throttle. The bike just goes where you steer it. He bought used shocks and kit for around 5k. It costs, but its worth it.
Option one seems to be the most realistic, in my eyes anyways, other people may not mind paying $15k for an atv. But who knows what Polaris may or may not have up their sleeve
Agreed... The Sportsman S is 15,599 this year.. With destination, set up charges and taxes you're OTD at probably 17k.. For an ATV!... This used to be a blue collar hobby but you can tell by the marketing of the major manufacturers that they're focusing on a "new market" of folks who buy their off road gear from friggen Abercrombie and Fitch
Running through a bunch of these videos as I have just found this great channel. Unfortunately manufacturers will charge what the market can bare. If prices are going through the roof and people are still buying them then it is the customer that is setting the standard and not the manufacturer. If customers want, in this case quads, to be cheaper then simply quite buying them. Either the quads prices gets reduced or they go out of business. Capitalism at it's finest. Again, because I want to be clear on this, it is the customer that sets the price. If we would only pay half the price then that is what they would cost.
Actually I just bought a 2020 outlander 1000 xtp and before I was looking at buying a scrambler 1000 s and I said to myself 48" is enough be the can am guy I am I would've still been craving a renegade
15,000 plus tax and all of the fees, you end up paying 17 or even 18,000.. waay too much money for an ATV,... no matter what tech goes into it, thats already stepping on side by side territory.. wouldnt be surprised if they realized that
15,000 was the first year... They just released them again.. $16,599 so, probably closer to 20k.. Pretty ridiculous.. Personally if I were going to drop that kind of coin I'd have a hybrid Walsh built machine in a LTR450 chasis and with a crf450 engine
@@DirtObseXXion i was lookong into getting a rzr 1000 2 person one and i was looking into the yamaha grizzle 700 be ause u said its your fav machine but u never went into detail ex like parts break what wears out fast and manu fact defects
Most of the issues you're going to run into with a Grizzly will be self imposed. My last one had a starter spring replacedby recall (2016) and the 4wd servo replaced, I guarantee those are fixed becausetheywere factory recalls.. It's was pretty durable.. It is my favorite 4x4 ATV because of the balance of power, agility and reliability.. My favorite ATV for trails is the Raptor 700, I've had more fun with the Raptor than anything else I've ever owned, but me and my buds prefer sport ATVs.. I'll do that vid for you brother, but I'm an ATV guy hardcore..
I feel like these machines aren't really showing their full potential when buying this type of quad. I'm only saying that because of our past experiences with the quad. My father owns a 2021 scrambler 1000s and during the past 6 months of owning it, the quad has overheated a couple of times on simple flat trails and only recently ripped a rubber boot from going up a hill. Polaris answer when we address these issues to them wasn't very pleasing . They said basically they don't cover these issues from their warranty. The rubber boot that ripped we noticed was more of a design flaw but they claimed it was human error. So buying warranties from them is just not even worth it in my opinion. Our quad was sent to our local dealer a month ago to get parts replaced, we are still waiting on parts. Don't get me wrong, the quad shows what it's capable of in some certain spots when we trail ride. Just what we dealt with on the trails and the response to fix these problems wasn't very professional. I owned a '20 raptor 700 and for the money, I felt like the raptor has proved far better in capability and price point than the scrambler did for what we're going through on the trail. We'll see how the my father's scrambler will drive after these issues are fixed.
@@VetiExotics my cousin drives a ‘19 sportsman 850 with us so and for the past 2 years so far it doesn’t have any problems. At least anything major that is. I do like the storage for the 850 and the 1000s since most manufacturers don’t offer that kind of storage like Polaris does.
Not sure if the plandemic had anything to do with them dropping it or not? Seems likely though. I recently bought a used 05 Sportsman, and have wrenched on it for 6 months, and must say, after all the sweat and frustration, I've came to love that thing. Thanks for the vids! Big fan from far far away- Kentucky 🤣
All new bearings, tie rod ends, steering bushings, axles, stator, a cordura camo body kit from chromeguys garage, a new set of Interco Vampire II tires, and she rides like a new 'en! Believe me, I wish I could have the rides you guys have or some ATVs you review, but I got crippled up at work, had to retire, and the money's not great. You guys are from this area so you know there are some rough people up these hollers, I was a trooper assigned to Clay county and destroyed my knee in a brawl with a fine upstanding citizen of the Commonwealth, so old beat up machines it is for me! Beats the heck out of fighting up a Kentucky holler at 3am. 🤨 take care, thanks for the content
@@DirtObseXXion and I’ll never get tired of saying it. Honestly, with the whole inflation thing, the market could use more $8-$10 machines. I feel like if they brought back sport quads in the next year or 2 then sales would explode
This and snowmobiling are no longer a pedestrian sport. Polaris knows this and it's why the crank their MSRP so high. Their margins are a lot higher with LE models.
I think that's pretty accurate... They'd rather sell less machines at a higher msrp than more machines to more people.. That's why the Base Model Sportsman XP1000 is gone
To be honest I hope the scrambler goes away all together, I bought a brand new 2021 Scrambler 850 in April of this year. I couldn’t be more disappointed with the quad, I ended up paying about 13k out the door, but it was brand new from a dealership so I said fuck it, 2 weeks later my brother came home with a brand new Sportsman 850, nice wheels bumpers front and rear power steering and decent mode, all the bells and whistles and he payed 400 dollars LESS than I did. I still wanna drive my scrambler right through the dealership window that I purchased my quad
@@DirtObseXXion possibly... but the future likes powerful quiet engines. Shit cat for example would sell many of their 3 cylinder utility machines due to how quiet they are... but their build quality it terrible.
And people constantly bitch about the grizzly and other Japanese bikes not get in a significant upgrade. First of all I love my grizzly and after a few aftermarket parts it's as fast as an 850 and way more capable. I'm glad Can-Am and Polaris are pushing the envelope but at the same time I think it's funny that Yamaha and other Japanese bike owners are constantly asking why don't they do something crazy or significant? Well I think we have our answer. They've been making these bikes for 12 years and there's just not any money to be made in crazy investments that won't guarantee more purchases. Speaking as a grizzly owner. I can sit here all day and say of course I would buy a new 850 or 1000 grizzly. But for every person that says they would only one and 50 might actually do it. I would think I would like to do it, but why when I could just upgrade my Grizzly. This winter I'm adding a cam a piston and some Springs to my grizzly and it will give me everything I could possibly want and I bet you anything I could compete or even beat a scrambler S on tight trails.
