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The problem with that is there is immense resistance from NIMBYs in existing cities.

that's literally what they did here. they took an old block of run down suburban houses and made it into a walkable area directly next to a light rail (what we call streetcars now) line

A lot of the prior light rail and streetcar infrastructure was demolished in the push for an automobile-centric city. Here in Columbus Ohio, where I live, there are only a few disconnected remnants of that with no light rail, normal rail, or street car use whatsoever

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@@blainegabbertgabonemhofgoa6602 Very very true, but we will get there someday if we continue pushing for positive changes! :]

Doubtful. This will be create small gated communities which are "walkable", It will become an exclusive enclave for upper middle class people that can work remote.

If the government knows about it.

Hopefully we will get walkable neighborhoods in the south

From someone who needs to drive a behemoth of a vehicle: Cars are a plague in cities. They should be relegated to travel between cities. If all that money is spent on cycling infrastructure, we will all be extremely fit and happy... And wealthy!

they've got the light rail station right nearby and they're offering lyft ride credits to people. given the location and room layout (1:1 bed/bath ratio) they're seemingly going for the college student demographic. good place to start I figure, someone's gotta be the first, and a group of people who probably don't have a car yet are a good first adopter. but yes this needs to spread more

@@PlaystationMasterPS3 Why not just get a bike sharing program?

Basically how cities in other countries develop and grow. It's just that the US and Canada focused on carcentric sprawl for so long.

@@ianhomerpura8937 It’s how the North American cities grew, too.

What the heck is "tough it out" suppose to mean? Have you not lived in any city in the US without a car?! Thats toughing it out, and I did that for 3 years. In Phoenix. And also, keep your "tough it out" conveniences to yourself. That is one of a few things killing how humans live.

I understand because of it's size it doesn't feel like a city but 1000 people is no joke, for reference the Vatican city state has a population of less than 800 people

For a liberal green state, CA sure has problems reducing car dependency, homelessness, and pollution to the environment.

you're still fringe. absolute lunacy

you will destroy human society

@@keilafleischbein59 Is it lunacy though? What about it is maddening?

@@keilafleischbein59 Yeah, wanting built environments that can financially sustain themselves. Complete lunacy.

@@NamelessProducts how do you financially sustain a large population in an environment without transportation for commerce? This can't work on the scale of a city.

it's overblown. Plenty of cities have cheap housing, they are just filled with deal hunting tenants. Pair that with millions of undocumented illegally entering and seeking residence, you are gonna have the appearance of a housing issue... Plenty of cities also are walkable. Most of America is just towns despite having more cities than most countries. So be wary of the complaining American on the internet and holding their singular experience as true cause they live in backwoods of deep sprawl and complaining about having to drive for groceries. In the desert, where this town is located, Tempe Arizona, you cannot buy ice cream and simply walk home. It will melt. Even waiting for streetcar. Which Tempe has. It also has lightrail, free local buses, and plenty of valleywide bus options. Tempe is a university city. Which their are plenty of small ones in America, and they tend to be pedestrians and bicycle friendly. But many are just town sized and hours from a major city as well. Please take a look at switzerland and see how close and historic, and how long it took them to be great cities. 1000's of years... y'all don't have birther tourism that destroys "peaceful community". White flight didn't happen cause 'their skin color'. It was the actions of black people. Please don't stay in your ignorance. Hear different perspectives, for your own sake.

@@smplfi9859So many lies in one comment.

It is not cheap starting around $1450 for a studio *however* I think the function of supply and demand justify this especially for their first development. I do hope in the future that this type of community is realistically attainable for all of course. And I'm uber cheap but I believe the growability, for lack of a better word, of this one of a kind company is worth it. What do you think?

That would only work if you live in a big metropolitan city or largely urban area. Guess what, 90% of the United States don't.

I live in Central Phoenix and gave up my car 7 years ago. I work from home, and the lightrail is across the street. I love it.

So what delivery vehicles, ambulances, or the disabled, etc.?

@@cityraildude ambulances can pull into the parking lot outside and bring a stretcher in. Maybe there could be a dropoff station for deliveries where mailmen would collect the packages from UPS or whoever and carry them to the correct address. The disabled can use motorized wheelchairs or other pre-existing solutions for transportation.

'all you need' unless you like to ski or mountain bike. You'll need a car to get to the mountain. Or if you are a plumber, you'll need a car to get the various jobs sprinklered throughout the city. Or if you have family out of town, as you'll need a car to go visit. Or if you like to camp, fish, hike, surf, go wine tasting, visit historical locations, and on and on and on. There is a reason we are car centric. It's becaue it allows the most freedom of any other lifestyle.

you're just communists

Ye

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Strong Towns

What’s the difference between a bike fan or a urbanist or can you be both at the same time?

Maybe it might be good for students to just out of college for the first place to live or people that simply want a more simple life then so expensive owning a car or maybe simply people that can’t drive for one reason or the other.

It’s the Good Place Lol.

Not to mention the fact that living here will be extremely expensive from the amount of people rushing in

It’s a step in the right direction

Um, it said in the video it would have a dog park, park, shopping, and easy access to public transit.

Also that most buoldings in each 'pod' were mixed use, which implies residential and office/retail space

Why can't a suburb have these things? Several areas in Europe have made this mistake too, even Amsterdam created a few suburban areas like that but we learned not to do that. Just build every new suburb with a shopping area, parks, a square for markets and events, a local health centre, public transport hub, some sports fields, etc.. etc.. And this is of course nothing new, suburbs have been around since antiquity and they always had shops and services. It is even possible to add these to existing US-style suburban areas, but you might need to scrap some houses for that :/

The majority of people will still have to commute to their real jobs elsewhere. The place is also missing schools and doctors which means children will have to leave the neighborhood to attend school. They won't be traveling by bike. It is basically just an apartment cluster with a few small scale shops.

@@Novusod Same answer earlier: Why wouldn't there be schools or health care centres? Connections to work can be by public transport, bikes, and yes, even cars. Why not have a parking facility on the edge for people that want/need/fancy cars? This is not fantasy either, it how these things are done all over the world.

Ever heard of irony?

invoking a vague sense of community? disarming NIMBYs?

They could always give them street names (paseo de la piscina) , but this area is so small that it wouldn't really be an issue, right? It's about 4 by 6 paseo's and the edges of the neighbourhood will be pretty obvious.

Good idea, maps can help a lot with that. This is basically like a beguinage, old town center, mall or even an office park. Those often have maps at the front to find your way around.

Thank You for that, I have been trying to create a more walkable city in City Skylines for years, just downloaded the DLC, can actually do it now.

@@CharlesKarol just make a perfect grid and remove acces for normal cars in the residential areas, I think mp:te traffic manager allows you to do this.

That's just a boogie apartment complex to make extra money out wealthy ASU students that don't like driving. Public transportation in the valley is trash. People living there would probably be relying on uber and lift, and maybe taking their bike to college. The video didn't mention any dedicated parking space for the community, which I find pretty concerning because there isn't much public non metered parking in Tempe.

we invented cars because they replace horses. we NEED cars

@@keilafleischbein59 We invented Trains to replace horses. Cars were invented because the wealthy did not want to travel with the worse off. Before cares cities used their tram networks and had dedicated ambulances, coroner and firefighting trams.

The design doesn't even look like a cul de sac haha

I think the irony of the name is the whole point

@@keilafleischbein59 Dude you're obsessed. Just go away. Go work for an oil company or something. You clearly should be on their payroll.

Most European cities are just large towns that grew out and accidentally collided with each other, London being a prime example. You can build these close together just like in Anno 2070.

True, but we have to start somewhere.

Because they were.

Cool

Or, you know, how it developed organically in vast majority of human habitation before the advent of cars.

Build more cheap housing and low cost rentals!!! Melennials and gen Y cannot afford anything!

I hope they will be able to defeat NIMBYs trying to block housing developments there, especially in Scottsdale, mainly funded by groups like Americans for Prosperity.

@@hackman669 yes! When I moved to Tempe a 3brm house was 1300 a month, pool included and all maybe 5-6yrs ago. Now.... 3k minimum... Before you could move outa college w a roommate or 2. Now it's 5-8 ppl living dorm style just to afford anything apt or house. And it also sucks bc it really forces ppl into only certain areas of az

@@ianhomerpura8937 I once sat on a town hall about Scottsdale.... The sheer amount of "this is MY city" behavior was actually disgusting. Normal looking grannies mom's and dad's getting up there and complaining about the kind of ppl an affordable community would bring (it's a college town...it'll bring students tf) all the way down to not wanting new nightlife bc old town was becoming too modern and fast paced (oorr what I really think is y'all where having to dine/shop alongside ppl of all backgrounds having fun alongside y'all and there was nothing they could say about it) I too hope that changes mentality wise or az pushes forward and these crusty old angry rich folk are just gonna have to do what most rich folk anywhere do and move up into the mountain mansions untouchable to us 'poor 9-5 peons'

I believe this one in Tempe is on 17 acres, but yes I agree a whole square mile would be really great.

They walk as they do right now. It's no different than them having to walk right now to go within a large building.

They didn't put walls up. Figure it out.

I would almost venture to call these new developments modern-day urban communes. Little pockets of European style density in the sea of suburbia and maybe even on the fringes of major urban metros.

Ofc moving trucks, wmergency services, deliveries, etc. are allowed, just not private vehicles

@@certifiedforkliftdriver9987they won’t be able to fit.

@@xaviercopeland2789scooter

In europe courtyard houses usually have suffixes like A or B. That's also true if one large building is turned into several smaller buildings (you can't renumber the entire street) so you put an A or B behind the number. Sherlock Holmes famously lived (in the books) in 221B Baker Street, London

Haha, dream on.

@@Schattengewaechs99 it will probably not be, being new construction during a housing crisis, but if it proves successful (which it should in all honesty) it will spread since you can fit so many units in so little space with this model that they will become common and maybe your local one will be affordable to the poor 15 years from now.

It's sold out already. Hope they build more.

Tempe and affordable do not go together 😅

@@Lzrdman91 compared to SF they are.

I have never heard that shopping mall retrofit concept before. Very interesting idea. If you divide the cost of the project, 170 million, by the number of people it will house, you get a number that is about the cost of any other apartment complex in Tempe. That is just my rough math, and I am no expert, but I don't think this project is that expensive. I mean it is sustainable housing.

Meanwhile, many people are homeless and hungry!!!!

@@mariahewitt9787forget those homeless people because they are dr*g addicts

@@mariahewitt9787 Are feeding and housing them everyday? Not sure how your response correlates to this topic

@@toniderdon Ya that's definitely not as expensive as I would have expected, however I do still think rather than fragmenting our existing cities and town with this type of development it's better for them to grow organically. I see this as a bandade on the real problem which is zoning. I will take this over malls and more suburbs any day though.

And, how did your vacation experiment go? :)

Walking is a problem nowadays

Interesting. We should've interview you!

The site is located on a major light rail line and multiple bus stops. It also has bike lanes connecting it to areas outside of it. If you need a car Lyfts and car rentals are available at a discount to residents

I think when it comes to have a big box store. You can have your target or Walmart but for an urban environment. Just like in NYC or Washington DC. There are Big box stores but they are not built for cars in mind only but walkable communities. So no huge Parking lot.

I agree, and people hoping to get deliveries to their door are going to have difficulty because the delivery vehicles can't pull up.

@@SG-js2qn I'm sure there'll be designated delivery pick up points that are easy to access on foot.

Fuck yeah.

it will go up once people can actually live in places like this

@@PlaystationMasterPS3 There are dense places already. I'm not sure what you mean by this. We just don't build enough of it. The demand is there.

I'm gen Z and I would never live there. Then again I feel like I was born in the wrong era because I love cars, driving, and highways

@@AdamSmith-gs2dv Ok. Then you're in the 40%.

-buy a bicycle -buy a grocery bag and put it on the back of your bicycle -your kids can play at the park -you can buy a golfing umbrella if its too hot -Most building units are enough for a family, just Americans are excessive. -Public transit is faster than cars in most big cities.

@@andrzejszpak688 I love walkable cities because if designed correctly they resolve many if not all my concerns but Culdesac does not come close. -"Buy a bicycle" haha, how many hundreds of miles will you bicycle with little kids just to visit Grandma? -"Grocery bag", do you have a magic bag to fit the Costco shopping cart as well? Bulk food is more than a sandwitch and an icecream. -I'm busy in the house and your solution is "kids play at the park", have heard of kidnapping? I'd be arrested if I let my kids go to the park alone. -It's 120f in the shade, with your "golfing umbrella" it's still 120f. -"Enough for a family", really their largest unit is 2bed 2bath, families also include kids. -"Public transit is faster", the time to travel from Culdesac to down town Phoenix 16 miles away: Car is 20 min, bus is 57 min, bike is 70 min.

Well yeah... that's what they've done. You obviously didn't watch the video.

​@@_Super_Hans_ there's no such thing

​@@_Super_Hans_ y'all are dogmatic religious zealots. we fucking need cars, and if we can't use cars, we need goddamn horses.

step 1: ban cars 2: design for walkability

@@daikon711 step 3: regret

Italy has a car ownership rate upwards of 90%.

when you're breaking new ground like that you kinda have to do it like this. in the future things will get more diverse. I'd love to be able to own a unit in a place like this, or even own a small single-family home on a block like that (I've seen some lovely ones of the right size and shape all over Venice CA)

The better approach is infill accessory dwelling units and accessory commercial units because it builds community over such a long period of time that no one notices. You know like the original style of city.

Yeah I agree, Cities should develop organically. I guess we have to start somewhere though

@@ProvenScroll That’s illegal, so…

@@KRYMauL why?

Looks like the projects.

@@katydid2877 Its looks very unsafe to me as a woman...to be honest those car free utopias give me anxiety, as many women would be deprived off the safety that driving gives.

Right? This is a crappy neighborhhood. I wouldn’t walk around there. And if they expect everyone to just stay inside the complex, that’s ridiculous. I’d feel trapped.@@sana-if7rb

And yet it would take up only a fraction of the the space a detached R1 suburb would need to house 1000 people

@@serebii666 yeah, it's a neighborhood not a city. which is fine since it's in tempe which is a city, and connected to the light rail

Its a city by pokemon standards

I agree. Im pessimistic about the looks of this particular city, but im optimistic that it will inspire more cities to follow suit and that there will be better ones in the future. The cost of building materials is too high to build anything nice

they're basically starting from scratch, those things take time to develop and we need to start building things now to start the process

Do you seriously think that they forgot about that detail?

@@ramochai no. It's why I asked the question.

I pod made in just a day from a culdesac factory

If this kind of middle-density housing could become more prevalent, then we can hope for better affordability in the future. Our housing market is short on housing now due to our government allowing almost only single family housing for about 100 years. We can't build 20 year old apartments today but we can build housing at medium density for future generations.

@@seancutt793 I calculated this place at 30k people per square mile once. that's really dense especially when the apartment buildings are only 3 stories tall

@@PlaystationMasterPS3 And that's the only way to make housing more affordable, walk-able, and sustainable. Oh if we focus more on public transport that density won't lead to traffic.

Not sure. Walkable communities tend to be much better for seniors and disabled people, and are much more ADA compliant.

@@ianhomerpura8937 perhaps, but I can tell you my 87 yr old grandmother can't walk more than a 1000 ft without resting. She gets along fine in her current apartment close parking & a handicap sticker. She gets groceries delivered.

@@ASMRPeople As somebody who lived both in Europe and the US, I can assure you that walkable communities are always much more elderly and disabled friendly. Whoever claims otherwise is most probably an auto-industry troll.

As far as I see on the plan for the new community, it’s not a long way to ride a bike or walk throughout the community. As for the other people who might not be a plan for them to live there there’s not many communities like this so there’s a variety of other choices. Actually I noticed in some countries in Europe that many of the people have been walking and bicycling for many decades, I’ve met several women that are in their 80s that can walk pretty fast since they have been keeping up with walking instead of driving everywhere so the people that can live there that are younger or middle-age might be keeping up with their fitness instead of just driving to the gym or not doing exercise at all.

Isn’t that the whole point of saying “walk, bike, or roll?” Put another way by Jeff Speck: The walking city is the rollable city and when a city works well for people in wheelchairs, it works well for everyone.

Walkable cities are way more accessible than car-centric ones. Many people people with mobility issues have a harder time finding vehicles to accommodate them, street curbs that block access and lack of sidewalks that prevent wheelchair use, or they rely on another person to take them to the most basic of places. Electric mobility aids are cheaper than ever, there are bicycle sidecars and trailers designed for those with disabilities, and everything is within a short distance where you don't have to go thru a lengthy onramping process just to go to a different store. Aside from physical disability, I know a number of people with autism that find it difficult to impossible to drive cars as it gives them sensory overload. Walkable cities give them a great benefit. The lack of emissions and brake dust will also benefit those with respiratory problems. Those that are able walk or bike will also get health benefits that will reduce health problems later in life. There aren't health or accessibility downsides to walkable cities, only upsides.

Walkable communities tend to be way more ADA compliant.

As somebody who lived both in Europe and the US, I can assure you that walkable communities are always much more elderly and disabled friendly. Whoever claims otherwise is most probably an auto-industry troll.

@@gljames24 that’s me! Driving a car gives me sensory overload and great stress although I can greatly enjoy walking and riding a bicycle of course riding a bicycle in New York City would give me too much stress.

"Someone with only a manual wheelchair would not be able to shop because they would have no way to carry everything back. And how far would they have to go to get back to their home?" People in Europe who live in comparable neighbourhoods often have a grocery store around the corner. They don't need to carry a lot of food. They can go more often and buy smaller amounts of (fresh) products.

I'm afraid this neighbourhood won't have all the necessary facilities though

About the moving tracks, see the answer above many people answered that already. As to if anyone walks when it’s hot in Phoenix, see countries that are also hot and people walk such as southern Italy, Greece, etc.

I have exactly the same questions about these services watching the video. They really should follow up on them.

Law enforcement can walk. That's no problem. Firefighters and medical responders I'm curious about though with local infrastructure like fire hydrants it can be done. I mean they do it in Europe with many thousands year old cities. A brand new city has the potential to do it even better

I recently visited Barcelona, they have small electric vehicles that can fit inside the small street in the Gothic Quarter. Everything from Ambulances to Garbage trucks. They never got stuck in traffic so seemed to do a really effective job.

Here's from their website: In Case Of Emergency: EMS Access In A Car-Free Neighborhood FEBRUARY 17, 2022 In the past, opponents to pedestrian-centered urban planning have named EMS maneuverability as one of their foremost concerns, using this argument to push back against bike lanes and promenades. But the data tells the opposite story. In fact, car traffic is one of the major factors impacting EMS response times. ‍ From the moment we started designing Culdesac Tempe, we've worked directly with the city’s fire department to ensure that safety came first in each step of the process. The result is a community centered around pedestrian walkways, but flexible enough to transform those walkways into EMS access paths when the need arises. Wide pedestrian pathways give service vehicles site-wide access The International Fire Code applies nationwide and states that EMS access roads must be a minimum of 20 feet across. The widths of the central promenade (28 feet) and the paseos (20 feet) at Culdesac Tempe will all meet this standard. ‍ When construction is complete, Culdesac Tempe’s walkways will be closed to day-to-day traffic. Landscape planters will provide a barrier to cars, ensuring that residents on foot can walk without worry. In case of emergencies, planters can be easily moved and mountable curbs will allow vehicular access to our promenade and paseos. And since no other vehicles will be present, emergency responders will actually have quicker access than they would in the case of a crowded road. ‍ These wide lanes form a network that connects all four quadrants of the development, with narrower paths branching out. This means that a residence in the center of the development will receive emergency services in about the same time frame as a residence facing onto the street.

Same as all the other non-car cities, they adapt and overcome, no problem

that ends up happening anyways. I'm a delivery driver and I do a lot of walking actually

@@PlaystationMasterPS3 Dang, that sucks man. I'd feel so bad for my driver if he had to do that with all my orders.

@@AC-im4hi at least people who are delivery drivers who do a lot of walking get fit without having to pay for a gym membership.

People will eventually develop manners (like they do in the rest of the world) such as using a softer voice to speak, instead of yelling all the time.

there's no gates? but yeah it's a neighborhood not a city

It's right next to the train.

somehow hundreds of cities in the world have manages good walkable cities with adequete public transit without car dependancy; all these excuses people try to come up with are just horseshit either because (1) people are ignorant about urban design and haven't really educated themselves (2) bad faith, unfortunately morons are treating this as some sort of culture war when it's jsut about more desirable and less expensive living spaces per capita while reducing climate impact

That's why public transport is important, trains, subways, street cars, buses they connect one neighbourhood to the others. The important part is that every neighbourhood has all the important stuff people need like a bakery, supermarket, kindergarden, primary school, fire department, police station, local administration, a doctor, a pharmacy, dentist, a bank and of course all sorts of shops and offices for jobs as well as handymen for plumbing, car repair, painter and everything else. That way you don't need to go to other parts of a large city very often and when you do you take public transit or a bike. So people can opt to not own a car and still get everywhere. If you still need a car you have the option to own one or rent one or take a taxi.

You've got to start somewhere for change to happen. But you probably don't want change and don't want a car free city.

The first residents will have to tough it out a bit. But overtime, one could imagine the surrounding space cater to them, more restaurants, bars, stores, offices, gym, day care, schools, etc. And with all that development, more car free/light apartment complexes will be built around the area. Then the transit will have to improve in order to accomodate the demand. It will take time.