Sorry, but reading the Tao of JKD and making up your own style does not make you an expert. Let’s take a historic look and reflect on how much confusion surmounted regarding the art and why it’s getting worse.
I think it's simple: Bruce called out most, if not all the problems with this stuff, ages ago... The main problem is that people are not fighting/sparring.. That's it, not just in JKD but in any style that doesn't spar, you're asking to fail. And this IMO makes many otherwise good styles look like crap because they become nonfunctional... If you spar and do it in a smart way with a variety of people ALONG with good training/coaching and you have a reliable mix you will develop skills. You shouldn't need to be a fighter to train fighting... JKD was supposed to be a way to ORGANIZE your training into a systematic method of finding a common thread that joins arts together in order to address the various ranges of combat... No combat or sparring means you're, "Dry land swimming," as Bruce said... That's a good way to suck...
Bruce’s art has almost completely disappeared due to a complete mismanagement of it and 50 years of misrepresentation. “The majority of people who practice Jeet Kune Do are mixed up, they think it should be a part of Wing Chun, a part of MMA, a part of Thai boxing, a part of wrestling, you know, a part of Wing Chun, which this is completely incorrect. You don't go from style to style, you go from distance to target or target to distance. Longest weapon to the nearest target and the most direct and efficient route possible, that is Jeet Kune Do.” - Tommy Carruthers It’s important to train anything in such a way where you can apply it though I agree. Most people who train martial arts are hobbyists at best or they are doing it for sport.
@@evolutionJKD hmm, well, can you elaborate? He’s been doing JKD for a very long time, and he’s also learnt wing chun and non-classical gung fu from Jesse glover, as well as experience in other systems. Unlike a lot of people he went through a similar process of trail and error like Bruce did to get to where he is now. Most guys seem stuck with the 60’s curriculum and aren’t able to refine what they know. Out of all the JKD guys he seems to follow Bruce Lee’s principles the closest. To be honest, before I discovered him i thought JKD was “concepts” and I was never impressed with anyone or anything I saw.
I am senior JKD instructor under Paul Vunak. The JKD is a great, but useless if you can't kick-box and grapple, Sifu Vunak preaches that all the time. I trained at one of the best MMA schools in the world for may years Jackson's MMA in Albuquerque (on and off since 1998) and I have a brown belt in BBJ and multiple black belts in traditional arts. I still take private lessons with one Jackson's MMA head coaches Joey Villaseñor. The best way to test your techniques is to do them out of sparring. My personal preference is Jackson's Gaidojutsu, which combines rudimentary techniques from catch wrestling and Muay Thai with basic judo locks. The grappling is all done with the intent of getting punched in the face. Then i draw from Sifu Vunak JKD and it makes for a very effective combination...stay humble...
I was just talking about this in a class. As an instructor, it’s my job to show you everything, but ultimately what an individual chooses to take from those lessons is up to them.
Paul Vunak doesn’t have a clue what Bruce Lee’s JKD even is. Practically no student of Inosanto even follows jkd principles and they move like mma guys. Vunak like all Inosanto students are concepts guys that have never demonstrated, fencing footwork, interception, probably have no idea what the progressive weapons chart even is and collect techniques instead of mastering fundamentals. I like Inosanto but he’s massively contributed to the decline of Bruce’s art. Very little of any JKD today looks anything remotely like what Bruce did or taught his original students.
I have a lot of disagreements with Paul....namely that whole closing distance to head butt. And I don't think his "JKD" ever got to where I am, but then I doubt my stick and knife work is close to his either. I would point out that a lot of the old school guys from the Inasanto Academy could move and were fighters. I trained with several top guys who you just never see in the "martial arts" world, because they went off to have successful lives elsewhere. A lot of them in the film industry. This was all 20+ years ago. I don't know how they move now or how I would assess their skill level today, but back then I thought they moved pretty darn good and learned a lot from them. They were young, athletic, understood movement, and were positive people. More and more people are a hobbyist and an enthusiast instead of being a dedicated martial artists. As you get more people, the skill tends to decrease in a group. Dan has a lot of students and instructors under him. Just because someone shows promise early on and becomes and instructor, doesn't mean that they can maintain that growth as they continue. Could be they hit their limit, could be because of circumstances, or it could be that they are focused elsewhere. I also think it's part of the difference in generations.
@@evolutionJKD really good comment. It’s funny you said “closing distance to head butt” he really likes his headbutts lol. I don’t think Bruce ever emphasised head butting people. Good chance hurting yourself doing that. I know you had a problem with a person calling himself “black rhino” a while ago. He’s caused aggravation with a LOT of people. Made a lot of enemies. Not sure what the guys problem is. He’s gone after a lot of people including myself.
When you stop posing like Bruce Lee and start thinking about using his fundamentals as a filter to scrutinize your own movement, that’s where the magic happens. If you don’t have any movement to scrutinize, you probably won’t get it at all.
You hit the nail on the head there, as soon as people hear the words JKD, they automatically think ohh Bruce Lee........... then they think they can learn what he learnt in 5 minutes and get frustrated.
Looking though here, I see that you've made several comments. Yet, we still don't know who you are. Get some cred, post some video and background info. You copy a skill in the beginning. Monkey see, monkey do. That is Beginner level only. "Posing" refers to the end position found in many in the JKD community. It isn't what a fighter would choose to cultivate. Go to pretty much any boxing gym and they will tell you to keep your hands up. Is JKD boxing? No, but boxers do a lot of punching. If you punch and then "pose" instead of returning to a fighting stance that has you prepared to continue, then you had better be filming a movie!! Everyone misses and not everyone goes down with a single hit. It's reality. Anyone telling you diferently is full of shit. Yes, it is possible to take someone out with a single hit, but you shouldn't train with that as the expectation. There is never a need to explain this to people who can actually fight.
This really nails it...I started karate in 1982 and went over to Walt Missingham in Sydney to train JKD in 1995...I knew where the deficiencies were in karate but had a good base...I was able to replace the things that worked with stuff that did....a lot of the guys that started JKD from scratch have dropped out but Im still at it
There is a pure JKD trained guy in my Dojo and we do light sparring in kickboxing rule once a week. I am struggling to decipher him rn. Before meeting him I thought JKD was one of bullshido, but humbled me to admit there is a decency in JKD. My findings of him : Overall he is a strong unorthodox fighter who effectively use his front leg/arm, good at reverse counter, and short range. 1. His front arm and leg is super active than normal MMA/kickbox-bros. Having Square stance against him made me eat his side kicks many times, which led me to modify my stance a bit more bladed against him. 2. He is extremely good at checking. Body-level roundhouse kick hardly hit to him. His basic strategy is all-in bet for checking→charge and rushing punches. Shooting middle kicks against him is much riskier than any other bros in a gym.(At least in a light sparring, I cannot knock back him with the kicks so...) 3. He reigns short range. He is well-informed in short-range exchange. The pace of exchanging punches is unusually fast compared to other Dojo Bros.
OK.....and? I have no reference as to who you are and what your skills or background might be. I also have no idea who this "pure JKD" person is that you're referencing. It's a a bit too vague. Even your reference to MMA/Kickboxing isn't helpful. I've seen a massive spectrum for JKD, mma, kickboxing, and many other martial arts. Maybe share a video? Give us a name and link to some video footage. If you haven't figured this out already, what I call JKD and what others think is JKD don't really match up. Do you have video of the two of you? That would be super cool, and I'd love to see it!!
I would certainly never completely condemn all Jeet Kune do school as a whole but if your school actually does something which involves sparring even if it's light kick boxing sparring then I would say that at least your JKD school is on the right track.
Important: JKD not a sport. It is a martial art to fight on the street. And his blows based on speed and power are to defeat the opponent. Not to earn points. And of course, to achieve this requires experience and training, and knowledge of other disciplines to decipher their attack modes intuitively. I close this note with the following: Many out there copy the sets of their films, forgetting that they are scenes for the screen.
There is a great Hawkins Cheung article he touches on Bruce Lees JKD. JKD is an extension of Bruces Wing Chun he created it to cover his weakness, very smart.
Trapping being part of JKD is good because like Sifu Paul Vunack says you can use it in stricking or grappling your opponent it's helped me in all my fights and has made my grappling better
I think there are several big gaps that they could only understand, looking at it from all points of view from the beginning to just about what is current. There is a divide between core JKD and concept JKD. Many maybe not all of the lineage JKD instructors are very biased in their approach. They want to teach from their myopic point of view. They teach their favorite version of JKD, and demonize the other styles of JKD. I think an extremely important detail almost all of them are missing from their teachings are the philosophies that go with JKD. It’s influences its core principles and its evolution. People forget it’s also about authentic self expression, emotional content and having no attainable limit. Everything can continue to improve, everything can be refined, adjusted, improved and augmented. No limits, only plateaus. There are some instructors who are true gatekeepers, and they begin to resemble the old karate masters, who operate a mcdojo. And they are stuck in the past, not adjusting to the times and bringing in more interest and talent . But that may be more on marketing than anything . I personally like to listen to all sides and absorb their understandings of JKD. The core, the concept and the unorthodox evolution without a distinct style.
Yes! Got my start in bouncing there! Hey Chris!! How are you? Looks like you're doing some great stuff! Love seeing people get ahead! That's really hitting the WAY BACK button!
I don't think I've seen anyone from back then! The Lounge is WAY BACK!! I'm a long way from Hollywood now. Thanks!! I may have to do a "bouncer special" or something.
I trained directly with Champion Joe Lewis, who trained with Bruce, and Joe was a fighter. He refined it more. I also trained directly with Ed Parker. JKD has so many tiny fine points that make a huge difference. They seem mostly unknown now. Often a sequence of motion is incorrect. No power, obvious movements... pitty patty mush. A side thrust kick should launch someone. A forehand strike can knockout. Hit them before they can move. Kenpo is like Choreography practice now too. Not fighters...
Ha! Could also be called slap trappy stuff. I see a great many who do a lot of moving around without much effect. They slap at each other without attacking.
What did you think of Paul Vunak who studied under Danny Inasanto I believe. Bruce;s #1 student and training partner!!!! I took about a year of training from one of Paul Vunak's students who had studied a number of other martial arts before. I thought it was very effective and practical. Just to know enough if I ever got into a sticky situation. Not full out sparring but lots of real life attacks...moves and counter moves and lots of punching and kicking. I would always ask what would my opponet do if I did this ...and vice versa. The instructor always had a responce which showed me it was all well thought out and had me respond physically to what I was asking so it was engrained. Not just talk. Also it was never mindlessy repetitive and choreographed. It was always flowing so punches and kicks came from slightly different places and at different times. I had to be on my toes. I think Danny introduced Bruce to many of the Philipino styles of martial arts and Danny had a boxing back ground as well. Bruce's foot movement is very impressive and is unlike any martial arts that was taught at the time. It came from watching Muhamed Ali and also from fencing I believe.
That’s a bit tricky. He’s more into the FMA aspects from Dan and that is reflected in what he teaches. He was really good at getting a respectable training program out there to a lot of people. For that, he’s great. His actual JKD isn’t super high level, but I’d add that I’m putting him in a different category. I compare him to myself as another 2nd generation instructor. I don’t do that with most of the current JKD people out there.
@@evolutionJKD Very cool. Thank you for the reply. JKD is an interesting topic and getting everyone's take on it. I saw an interview with Danny Inasanto and he said the thing with JKD is you have to adapt it to yourself. He could not do half the things Bruce Lee could do so learning those things would not benefit him as a martial artist. If Bruce Lee had lived his JKD would have evolved as well and would have changed as he aged. He would not be able to do the same things as he aged. So what is your definition of JKD? From what I am reading and watching it seems like to me there is no such thing as JKD. It is just a name that covers all the bits and pieces that one takes from all the fighting arts. Including boxing and wrestling. Am I wrong in that statement? 2nd Generation instructor might not be a lesser thing because more methods could be incorporated into a fighting system? More time to assess and learn what works and what doesn't?
If you think about a martial art as a training program that allows you to cultivate skills, then it's pretty simple. You gain skills through training. I absolutely incorporate the development I gained from other training and incorporate it into what I do as an individual. JKD is a means to help others gain those skills. Might include this topic in my stream later today. Hope you can join.
Learning is experience and through experience you learn to see with your own eyes to what the truth is. This truth can change and it’s never ending process.
JKD attracts practitioners who think this is superhuman magic power, and bullshido masters exploit that by teaching them a complete bastardization of what Bruce Lee believed in. While the ultimate truth is- there is no substitute for sparring. Your training should always be results-oriented, learning skills to win. And when that doesn't work you can start thinking which techniques need refinement (perhaps through a procedure-oriented martial art like karate or taekwondo) and where are your shortcomings + how to deal with them (either through working on your weak points or honing/adapting your strong points to never allow the weak side to be exposed in a fight). And that's when some jkd principles and instructors are useful. I started my journey very late, with boxing. After a few months I started noticing on sparrings which areas need much more work (stiff footwork and bad balance) so I started going for taekwondo lessons. Months of stretching and kicking later I noticed my boxing footwork to improve immensely and my squared stance to naturally widen while being way more "relaxed" and switching to more bladed stance naturally, without thinking. My legs & hips became stronger in ways I would never reach with just my boxing training. And naturally I never dropped my boxing training, I was still honing those skills. Then I decided to get into at least a bit of wrestling and grappling to supplement my striking skills. I quickly noticed pure no-gi wrestling wasn't for me, I wasn't improving and as a sweaty guy it was pretty slippery too. I went for judo instead and that worked much better for me. Maybe it isn't as good as bjj for ground game or pure wrestling for the standing game but it definitely works for me. I'm still learning judo (and boxing and taekwondo), for now it's enough but when I get good at those 3 things I will probably learn something else (I assume MMA to connect those skills) . Until my body gives up from age or injury I will always be a student.
Glad you are finding some training that you enjoy. Yes, there is quite a lot of exploitation in the JKD world. I address a bit of that in the Avoid These JKD "Influencers!" video. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1uurSyocKWA.html Do be sure to train properly. Age shouldn't be a factor, and injury shouldn't be a regular occurrence.
I gave up with jkd and it’s be all end all, as if it’s the only truth. There are many truths in many arts. I got rid of my jkd books to seek out my own truth my self. It doesn’t matter what to call my style if cannot apply it or make it work it’s irrelevant, surely it has to work to be applied regardless
JKD was never meant to be a singular path. It was meant to augment those who were already on the martial path. At least, that's what I got. Books are great to help you explore new ideas, but they don't teach you things like timing and distancing. That has to come from experience.
if don't have a structure, a blueprint to follow that creates confusion. one can say is not a style but when it comes to teaching they end right back with a blueprint, a direction to teaching. there no other way. styles or a blueprint is there to give you knowledge and understanding of the body alone help you understand what you need to add, specially from other styles. got to start somewhere.
I agree. Our group (WNG) was an exception, at least in the early 90s through 2000. We sparred every day. About a half dozen of us were busy fighting in Southern Ca Kick Boxing, Muy Thai and Shoot Wrestling including myself, even my wife had several fights. I was a boxing gym rat as well. We agree, a lot of the other JKD groups were dry land swimming, we were not impressed. However, JKD either gave me an edge or kept me competitive in every Gym I walked into over a 30 year period, most recently ten years ago when I was still sparring Boxing national amateur champions at 50 years old. JKD works, and it does have a technological edge. That edge has gotten smaller over the last thirty years, but there still is one. You have to fight though. If you aren't a fighter, honestly, JKD is wasted on that person, and gives rise to the legions of sad and pathetic JKD practitioners you see all over the internet.
The problems with JKD? Richard Torres, Paul Bax, Bob Landers, Jesus Santiago and all those other wannabes out there that use the name only to make themselves “special”. In other words, too many posers.
I’ve always said that .! JKD is a philosophy, an approach to combat and life , you should have already have an understanding of all four ranges before adding this new approach.
Yes, I do think it has stagnated for a lot of the JKD world. All martial arts should be evolving. As each generation builds upon what was passed down and then refines that knowledge, adapting to fit into an ever-changing world. And to some, JKD is evolving like that. I just question the direction and the level of skill. Most people think of MMA as the pinnacle of fighting today. I don't. I moved through that level of martial arts about 20 years ago. I was working security and needed more. During my time training privately with Jerry Poteet (2006-2010), I found that we were both growing. Over a four-year span, we explored all of the aspects of JKD and began to look at its application in the current world of martial arts. I came with a strong background in sport and combat arts and was actively applying martial skills working security during those four years. Jerry would often tell me that he was remembering when we moved. During the last year of that training, I noticed that we weren't doing what everyone else was doing. Not in the rest of the JKD world and not even compared to others who trained with Jerry. One of the main reasons I named my school "Evolution" was because we had begun to evolve during that time. Maybe it would be better to say that we were further refining the same movements. More on that later this month.
JKD like every martial arts that become the In thing at the moment,went the way of the money grabbers by using the name of JKD or people that attended seminars and started teaching on that basis pretending to be full flesh instructors.
No it did not.stagnate! Why 1 it was never met.for MMA, TOURNAMENT, SHOWING OFF.It was skilled in boxing,Eppe' head to toe defence, the Wing Chun was didgaurded, Bruce highlighted HIT, aka STOP HIT AKA INTERCEPT. Look have you ever seen a Missel trap,block,tan,pok,then hit.No it intercepts and destroyed the target. MMA and all others Hate it because no reff,no rules,no rounds,no gambling who wins,no title fights, Well Bruce was kicked out of China for fighting.He was a boxing Champ. He could fight. Now I will post what JKD IS HIT, IF IF an obstruction occurs . You hit 1st and block just as if ,It was the same time. There is No passive motion in JKD. Also if you started playing guitar and see some 1 like Roy Clark as great. You missed it with He drix,Melemstean,Van Halen, Vaughan. So this is the same.you claim JKD did not evolve. Boxing did not evolve much and no 1 puts down Hollyfield,Clay,or others. No 1 puts down the Military, Who had Vunac and other JKD train them THE MILITARY WOULD NOT TAKE ANY LOW GRADE,THEY NEED COMBAT EFFECTIVE. No time to lay on the ground,grapple lock,hold. You will be kicked in the head by his body. You have to take out aka intercept. In fact . MANY MANY JKD will tell its combat effective.
I teach it like this: If you want to learn an “ART” any martial art system will do. If you want to learn how to defend yourself or be able to fight: •Judo in elementary school •Boxing in intermediate school •Wrestling in highschool •Escrima in college After college.. sign up for your local MMA gym and put in work
I'd agree with any martial art system will do for learning an "art". Your breakdown of learning things is interesting. I've done Judo, I wrestled in HS, a lot of kickboxing and trained/worked with a number of boxers, done the stick work, and did "mma" before it became a thing. And yes, I've been around a few Kajukenbo people too. And several other training methodologies. A few things on that. 1) I'm not sure I'd go with that particular order. 2) that's relying on multiple training sources. Who's coordinating that into a complete fighter? Not everyone is going to have access to all of those. What about those starting in their 30's? 3) sport is a great way to get started, but it does have some limitations. For defending yourself, I've addressed this. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ga12MkC5VEI.htmlsi=of6iaQkaMLNtYxDV
But JKD has no system, no fixed movements that's the point of it. I think Bruce thought that most arts were just organised chaos, and he didn't like all the fixed movements, which restricted you.
Well for this guy it's easy enough to say this if bruce was here be a hole different story ..the way bruce straight up said it he wasn't trying to create something new just make adjustments
I totally agree that he was just making adjustments. He was streamlining the training process to increase efficiency in skilled fighters. I also agree that it’d be different if Bruce were still alive, but we can only do what we can with what we have. Unfortunately, lots of people doing not much.
What i think happened to jkd is you had someone that was 13 year old and only had a Teacher for 4 and half years . Then stop having a master teacher and siad i am going to start my own style and only Taught it for maybe 3 years so anyone teaching it to day even if bruce was your teacher has never mastered it .
Hmmm....you do bring up some good points. Just a little naive. This assumes that Bruce didn't continue training with others after leaving Hong Kong (it's well documented that he did continue training with many other martial artists) or that he did not go back to see his teacher (he did). The foundations of what I learned as a teenager are still present in my martial arts and have grown significantly over the years. I know the same is true for most who are martial artists. I would agree that Bruce died far too young and was not able to fully develop himself as a martial artist or a teacher. But I don't think there's anyone out there who doesn't look at it that way. Your statement also assumes that Bruce was an "average" person or had a hobbyist approach to his training. He was not average, and from all accounts he was far more than a hobbyist. These last two make a significant difference.
@evolutionJKD also are you going to become a master of anything if you never actually finished on style. . Because now days you can be come a black in 4 years be the time you are 18 . Would you actually say you would go to him if he opened his own dijo, and back then it took you years way more than 4
Firstly, I will address this subject in far more detail in a future video. You do bring up issues worth examining. Good for you! Secondly, grammer. Work on it. Thirdly, and lastly, have you actually dedicated yourself to training in something fully for four years of your life? If yes, what? The follow up is show me. Because talking about training in something to become a "master" is one thing. Doing it is something else. This goes into the difference between hobbyist, enthusiast, and someone who is dedicated to their craft. Because if you only dedicate two hours a week for four years, it's not the same as 10 hours a week for four years, and no where near the same level as someone who dedicates 6+ hours a day every day for four years. Quick math for you: Hobbyist: 416 hours. This is one hour at twice a week for four years. Enthusiast: 2080 hours. This is 10 hours a week for four years. Artist: 8736 hours. This is 6 hours a day, every day for four years. How do you compare someone who dedicates 21 times the amount of energy into something? If you double the output because of apptitude, then the artist would have 42 times the gains as a hobbyist with no apptitude. This is like the hobbyist training in something for like 42 years. That is being kind. More likely it would be closer to 63 years. So the four years that Bruce Lee trained with Ip Man is more like (using an average of the two) 13,104 hours of training. That's like 63 hours of training a week. That's nine hours of training per day. I don't know any hobbyist who could devote that amount of time. We aren't comparing apples to apples here. While we can question a few things, I think it is safe to assume that Bruce Lee had an apptitude, trained with several people, and did so over a period of time to make it seem miraculous to someone who was just a hobbyist. That's because he was an artist and devoted an enormous amount of time and energy to something with an incredible apptitude. Of course, there are plenty of people out there to contradict this statement. Just not a lot of them who can back it up.
Not sure of that quote. I've trained in all three and seen really good and really crappy in all three. Also, I don't think it has so much to do with BJJ if the quote is true. Rickson is a bit of a monster. He could have trained in any martial art and still been a monster.
@evolutionJKD I posted it because once you excelled on one martial art you can do the same in others. JKD is clearly not for starters but for top guys on others.
That's a really great insight! I've found in my own journey and exploration that understanding one art translates to all arts of marital movement. The manipulation found in Aikido is present in JKD and in BJJ. It's universal. Except for the hacks, and there are a lot of them out there. I stand by my statement that Rickson is a monster. The martial art is irrelevant with him. He'd have become a monster with any martial art.
Granted Rickson Gracie particularly assuming that he is a relation to Helios Gracie or his family might have been at least a little bit biased if he said that however I would at least say that when it comes to Aikido despite the fact that there might be some potential there or something to it which most people today did not tap into I still think that training in a way which provides something which has some semblance of resistance or an actual fight is something which is needed if anybody is going to pull off anything which resembles Aikido in real life.Alot of the people who trained Aikido in the past might have trained in things other then Aikido and might have dealt with serious pressure before however many people who are training in Aikido today are younger people who just simply walk into an Aikido dojo and saying "Oh hey thats looks cool" and then wind up thinking that they are actually going to pull something like that off in real when push comes to shove while the Aikido dojo is not even giving them all of the proper experience or the tools necessary to actually do that and even when you talk about Jeet Kune do you kind of run into the same problems to some degree alot of the times granted Jeet Kune do seems to put alot more emphasis on basic striking which don't really take as much technical skill or finesse to pull off as grappling but still even if you don't do competitions theres still plenty of benefits to training and sparring in a way which at least has some semblance to a real fight in which people are not just going to sit there and allow you to pull things off.
@garynaccarato4606 there is some good stuff in your comment, however.....Jeet Kune Do doesn't "really take as much technical skill or finesse to pull off as grappling" is a bit off. Maybe that is your experience, and I'm sorry for that. I started as a grappler, have trained in multiple arts (including Aikido and BJJ) with world class people, been pressure tested in real life scenarios, AND I've trained in Jeet Kune Do. Granted, a majority of the "JKD people" out there suck, but that is kind of the point of this video. I would counter that JKD is like the higher levels of all martial arts. It takes an extraordinary amount of skill and finesse. But at the end of it all, the individual is what matters. All of the "martial arts" out there are nothing more than training programs. It is the indivudual who must grow from that training and then apply it as best they can. Again, part of the point of this video.
When Bruce passed away, JKD became part of the "fancy mess" he had taught against. Go to a boxing class, and a wrestling or some type of grappling class and you will survive most unarmed encounters with the average street brawler. My grandson was a high school wrestler, some guy took a swing on him, so what do you think happened?? He took him down mounted him and rained punches until a teacher pulled him off. This is what happens most of the time, so why train cat stances, those goofy karate blocks and katas?? Train, but train for what works most of the time. This arguing over "lineage" and this other Dungeons and Dragons stuff has turned into an embarrassment.
What you, and a lot of others, always seem to miss out on is that some of us have all of that training already and have moved beyond it. That’s what Jeet Kune Do is really doing. I too was a HS wrestler, I have plenty of kickboxing, BJJ, Judo and all of the other “mma” type of training. I also have additional training and real world experience. So using your grandson who got in a scrap with another teenager as an example of advanced martial arts isn’t maybe the best….🤷🏼♂️.
@johnabrams8148 That initially sounds like a good idea BUT jkd is designed to end the fight before it happens. Bruce described to William Cheung that is fighting approach is: "Efficient street fighting with everything goes." But that does not mean use any technique or style, it meant that jkd follows no rules or restrictions unlike MMA.
I address this at 1:52. From my understanding, while Ted didn't have the experience or skill to train with everyone else at the Chinatown school (they were all black belts or equivalent!), he was a really nice guy and spoke Cantonese. Bruce got along well with him and used him to work on a lot of the movements for his movies.
@evolutionJKD I appreciate your response. I'm new to your channel, so I didn't know you had spoke about Ted. & I will concede, that if anybody could teach JKD to somebody without any experience, it would be Bruce. Especially in private lessons. I guess the point I'm making, is that it's possible.
The problem is Martial Artist who use their black belts just to show they’re masters can’t understand the philosophy on how it’s supposed to be used, taught and explained.
Goes a bit deeper than that. A lot of people are out there claiming to be great, when they aren't. Check out my video on training levels. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9gUMVVkb4Bw.htmlsi=QNXuLe-is6Lf8AGX
0:52 good point JOEL. 💯🤟☑️that guys don’t have pedigrees nowadays. 3:09 honestly.. I took some JKD LESSONS. But wanna know the truth. I was a slugger already. I played football. I wrestled. I had a winning record and ran a team. I wasn’t ever a pro boxer but look up BROCKTON MASSACHUSETTS sometime, and you won’t think I need it. Lol. 😂we had NO CHOICE but to fight growing up. Like a lot of people. But my point is.. I knew stuff already. Now.. my KUNG FU started early right alongside of KARATE, at age 10-12. I told you that because I see your frustration. Perhaps that’s the reason I decided to do all my own JKD STUDIES. And I mean I study from everyone. JKD is a 24/7 process. It never sleeps at my house.” Dont worry, some of us GET IT. 💯🤛💥🤟stay positive! It will get better.”
No.. You're wrong. JKD is a concept, not a style or movement. U forgot to toss out what's useless for yourself and keep what's useful and add on what's your own.
Thank you for correcting me. I have now attained enlightenment. ommmm........ I have a video for you. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-elJDVXFqU78.htmlsi=a1fNQkAhcyghOSoW
Without discipline and commitment, you will not have strong technique. To be even remotely close to the level of skill in jkd as lee Jun fan(bruce lee), you must train like him. Put your ego aside and feel the art. Become the art. Such should be applied to all that you do. It will make you a better and more humble person.
There some good jkd teachers....... Octavio...he is very convency...love his low kicks... remember...only Bruce knew jkd....and let me tell you......after wong jack man...he dropped...instead he went to get a gym his house and hit the bags...no more b.s....he train like a boxer ..or MMA...the difference was that Bruce Lee he put beauty in his art.... just for the movies.......
Master Rusty Gray in Nashville wouldn’t take you as a private student unless you already had a black belt in something. He didn’t want to have to teach you the basics of defending yourself he wanted to elevate you to the elite level.
Some schools use “Master” as a title, much like Coach, Sensei, or Sifu. Just denotes a rank. Although, many times the English translation of “master” doesn’t quite fit with the original intent.
@thedadlife247 I'm going to give you a pass here. I checked your channel, and I like that you are speaking to something so positive. But maybe stay in your lane. Maybe know who you're addressing before you comment. There are two things that I'm really passionate about. Being a dad and martial arts. I literally started my school to make a better world for my children. I'm a pretty good dad. I work to be better every day. I've been at it for over 13 years. I've overcome a lot and helped my kids through some really difficult trials. Learning and getting better every day. I'm an incredible martial artist. I've beem doing it for over 37 years. Learning and getting better every day. Fortunately, martial arts has helped elevate my parenting skills. If I went on your channel, which I like, I would share insight based on my 13 years of experience being a father. I'll freely admit that I often seek guidance from other fathers, most of whom have children the same age or older than mine. I very seriously doubt that you have 37 years of martial experience, let alone of the quantity and quality that I have experienced. JKD is my world when I'm not with my kids (and sometimes when I am with them) and I am speaking from years of experience with training in multiple systems of martial arts, application in real world scenarios, and years of training with one of Bruce Lee's top people. Then I spent another 13 years teaching it to thousands of students. All of this gives me an expert perspective. By today's standards, each of those individually gives me an expert perspective. If you'd like to discuss the positive influence of martial arts to boys and young men and how that might influence them to become better, more present fathers, I'd be into that. If you're going to blindly comment about Jeet Kune Do and why Bruce Lee did this or that, I think maybe this isn't the channel for you. There are plenty of fan club chat groups for that.
Read carefully: Stop wasting your time assessing what works and what doesn't. No style, even JKD, is perfect, 100%. Here is the problem as I see it: The practicer of "the art", whichever it is, locks themselves into that style to such an extent that they lack adaptability. Their minds aren't adaptable so their implementation of what they have learned isn't. If you truly want to be a martial arts, take only the basics. Anymore than that, you are fixating your mind. It's likely planning what you're going to do in a fight. Get the basics and the structure. Then let your instincts and reflexes take it from there.
“Stop wasting time assessing what works and what doesn’t”…wait, who the heck are you and what are you talking about? Guessing you haven’t trained in anything for very long, otherwise you’d have realized that “the basics” is what you start with but it’s also what all of the advanced people are doing. What you see as something different is just a higher level of expression of that same “basic” movement.
Problem I find with JKD is leading with strong arm, and not being able to use the hips for the cross. Doing boxing as an orthodox make it difficult for me to do JKD stance
The whole "strong side forward" is for those situations where you have a choice. Like in a challenge with another martial artist. You should be working both leads during your training. I would agree that far too many blade excessively and remove the rear hand from their arsenal. Hmmm...sounds like a good talking point. And one not discussed often. As to your boxing stance. I'd recommend training both leads. We're never even, but we can make ourselves more even.
Not enough experience in martial arts to start with is the problem as JKD only works if you study alot of different techniques across many arts and take the best from them all, i think alot of people take it as one martial art and think they can learn it over night, to be successful at this you would have to study all martial art forms and all there movements and learn how to telegraph every single movement with a offense of your own to combat them, i understand that this is the concept of JKD and this is the reason that Bruce said it couldnt be taught as he himself studyied boxing,fencing,kung foo,wing chun........... of which he had years of training to perfect his version of JKD.Just because a certain JKD style works for one person doesn't mean they can teach it to another 👍
Wrong. Bruce never taught JKD as a mixed art. You do underhand that right? There is no mention from any students he taught them judo one day, karate another or Thai boxing the day after. You are completely misinformed about this. You don’t go from style to style you go from distance to target. “The majority of people who practice Jeet Kune Do are mixed up, they think it should be a part of Wing Chun, a part of MMA, a part of Thai boxing, a part of wrestling, you know, a part of Wing Chun, which this is completely incorrect. You don't go from style to style, you go from distance to target or target to distance. Longest weapon to the nearest target and the most direct and efficient route possible, that is Jeet Kune Do.” - Tommy Carruthers “People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques. You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily JKD
Firstly, I would remind you that most of the notable students who trained with Bruce Lee had previous training and many were considered "fighters" before they started with Bruce. While I may not agree completely with the original comment, there is validity. You do need a base level of understanding. It's kind of like taking Calculus without having developed addition and subtraction first. Secondly, you quoted two people who are prime examples of what I discussed in this video. They are part of the problem.
@@evolutionJKD you know what, maybe you should actually watch the video of Jesse Glover talking about Tommy, because I have never heard any other Bruce Lee student talk about any other practitioner of JKD in the way way Jesse talks about Tommy. That includes you and all the other guys who claim to do JKD, and you had the nerve to say Tommy was “missing steps” which is laughable. I think you and many others would benefit greatly by taking lessons from him. He’s also being asked twice by Bruce’s own family to demonstrate JKD at Bruce’s birthday celebrations, but of course, he’s “missing steps” right? Unbelievable. He certainly has his share of haters, you included. Funny enough hippopotamus was also a devoted hater, and I mean devoted. Also, the Hollywood bouncer thing you mentioned before. Try being a bouncer in Glasgow for 10 years which was the knife crime capital of Europe for decades. There’s no comparison to Tommy’s background. No matter what you guys say, you were never able to replicate Bruce’s level of skill or attributes, perhaps because you don’t actually train like Bruce whilst Tommy actually did. To much “Bruce said this” and not enough paying attention to what Bruce actually DID and trained. The problem is Tommy and his guys can do it, you can’t.
"An individual can not learn the principal roots of JKD through the accumulation of many different styles; For that would be like a singer trying to improve his voice by accumulating many songs. Rather: it is by understanding the roots of the problem." - Dan Inosanto [1969] "No, you do not make up your own JKD. This line of thinking presupposes that Bruce Lee's contribution to the martial arts was purely philosophical with no physical structure. Bruce Lee's art has a definite set of physical techniques that are deeply entrenched in philosophical principles. It is through the continued practice of these techniques & principles that one continues to improve, discover & deepen their understanding of JKD & thereby make it their own. After all, essential to Bruce Lee's JKD are the principles of simplicity & directness, which connotes refinement rather than accumulation." - Bruce Lee Foundation "A few techniques well presented, an aim clearly seen, are better than a tangled maze of data whirling in disorganized educational chaos." - Bruce Lee
And you further my point with your comment. The demise of JKD is found in keyboard warriors like you. Prove me wrong. Let's see you give your name and lineage and post a video. I've seen Tommy and judged him lacking. What do you think I'll make of you?
The instructor must be able to back up what he teaches and his or her students must show improvements for the amount of time they put in. Yes, and you have to spar, compete, in any form of combat sports to prove it. Jkd is not for everyone and everyone can’t do jkd.
Curious who you learned "jeet kune do" from? Your videos are all basic boxing. I didn't see anything that was what I would consider "JKD". (I can only see what you've posted, not what you know.)
@@evolutionJKD I am certified under Sigung Richard Bustillo and sifu Tim Motter. I have not added instructional JKD videos just yet but only shorts. I train fighters in Boxing, Muay Thai, and MMA. I use JKD principles in each art. I’ll have some videos coming soon.
There are many who don’t teach but are quite skilled martial artists. There are also a great many beginner instructors out there demonstrating who should probably not.
That's What I Was Saying! I've Been Teaching JKD To A Select Group Of Student's Because I Have The Knowledge And I Was Told By One Of Bruce Lee's Original Students, Before He Died To Teach What I Learnt & Pass It On To Others, But I Don't Share It With Just Everybody Who Says Make Me A Fighter/Martial Artist! Some People Have Bad Intentions! @@evolutionJKD
To be honest, I have to agree that the only ones that are worth it at today's age are BJJ and MMA. The only people who were able to use these and make them work are far gone, but there are a lot of factors that take place, like presser testing. In today's world, you can't fight one-on-one and really be a master at it. 99.9% of people would fail in today's world. I still say if all these guys like IP Man or Bruce were here, we might be surprised, but to be honest, the legends are dead, and only the legends were able to do it. I have no clue how it would hold up in today's world, but if they were going to hold up, they would be the ones, and I'm sure there are many others because, let's face facts, only the masters have this skill as real fighters. But when they died, so did their training with other people, because not every trainer is the same; they all expand. Some of them lose peace or practice because they think it's not needed. If I were going to do either, or I would want to be trained only by the real guys, like Bruce or IP, not anyone else, not saying they are better than the others, I was to know everything, even the small stuff that most masters don't think is needed.
There are still masters out there in the world. It’s just that with today’s media the public is being flooded by wave after wave of mediocrity. So much so, that a majority of “martial artists” wouldn’t recognize true mastery if they saw it. They don’t understand movement well enough to distinguish between flashy garbage and refined application.
jkd is still kung fu that is always a two step lesson teaching in system is you dont think you are learning ? you need to learn boxing probably win chun
I would agree that many like to think that the sport of MMA is the same as JKD, but I would disagree. I think the spirit of JKD is to work with and be open to all martial arts and martial artists in an effort to learn more on your own martial journey.
@@evolutionJKD I would say JKD applied in MMA. Like applied match, science, etc. Part of the though and spirit is there. Edficient, the usefullness, effectiveness, incoorperate all martial art forms, what is work for oneself, etc. Some people say Bruce is the founder of MMA. In other word MMA is inspired by Bruce film which incooperated many martial forms art from all over the world. MMA also will evolve and change, so do the MMA practitioner in the quest, the journey for acknowledgement in the sport. Same old same.
no! the first problem - other. Most of the students are just ordinary weaklings. they have no strength, no speed, no agility, no reaction. that's all! . But JKD is all about speed, and this requires full body explosiveness, speed, and good vision. Most students won't run the 100-meter dash in 12 seconds. Will not do a single two-hand exercise on the horizontal bar. They're just slow wimps. Here!
OOOOHH!!! You definitely bring up an interesting point, and I have seen it many times but rather than blame the individual maybe we should look at the fitness regiment and dedication and availability for students to enhance their physical capability and fitness. I do, however, think almost all instructors initially want their students to exceeded their expectations however, many students are only half dedicated or less and lack the ambitious commitment To excellence. I do believe many coaches failed to motivate their students. They fail to create a community of martial practitioners, philosophers and friends. They fail to spend any amount of quality time that isn’t in the gym. I also think they failed to inspire many young minds by not showing what the art is true capable of they just show snippets of technique. I also believe it is difficult to promote JKD locally without participation in tournaments and having the occasional champion. I feel there is a disconnect with jkd when it doesn’t apply itself to tournaments and it doesn’t test itself in street fights. I know there is a disconnection between the practical application in a tournament, the practical application in hard sparring and the actual reality of a street fight in many different conditions and environments. Maybe low key I’m saying instructors should participate in a street fight to see if their techniques still work and that the style they use is still sufficient for day to day combat applications, even against low down dirty street fighters.
That's like saying that basketball died with Kobe Bryant. Or that all the songs he sang died with Elvis. Yes, his personal expression died with him, but that is true for everyone. JKD is a training program. Different people get different things from it and the results will vary. This is further applified when you have portions of the training missing or interpreted differently.
@@evolutionJKD you missed the point. bruce once said that he had made a great mistake creating a name JKD for something that do not exist. he feared that writing a book people would use the book to create a chain of jkd schools. that is why the tao of jeet kune do was not published. bruce lived to teach us that we should not be attached to any rigid form of thinking. jkd would be a materialization of that. he said that "the name jkd"should be used as an example like a boat that you use to get to some point and after that you discard it. that is all. elvis was just a singer.. he did not teach me anything. i never seen koby playing anything and that would not help me to grow anything in my being watching a basketball player. i say again : the creation o jkd was a mistake. when sidarta the buda died people got in fight to get the ashes of his body. they missed the philosophy. you can still keep the philosophy behind bruce lee personal aproach to combat. but to pack it as jkd is a mistake,...
@@evolutionJKD Finally, a Jeet Kune Do man who says Jeet Kune Do is exclusively Jeet Kune Do is simply not with it. He is still hung up on his self-closing resistance, in this case anchored down to reactionary pattern, and naturally is still bound by another modified pattern and can move within its limits. He has not digested the simple fact that truth exists outside all molds; pattern and awareness is never exclusive. Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back. Bruce Lee
I'm Really Really Disappointed at The Jeet Kune Do Community : Black Rhino , JKD Soul , JKD Poland , Thomas Marx , Tommy Currathers 1) Simple & Plain Wing Chun JKD 2 ) only Just Techniques just Techniques 3 ) Where is Mental Cultivation - Taoism ☯ , Zen Buddhism ☸ 4 ) Where is Physical Fitness - Bodybuilding , Weight Training , Weight Lifting 🏋💪 🏃 5 ) The Ultimate Source of Jeet Kune Do : My Style & The Enlightenment 6 ) What about Brandon Lee ? It's all ways Dan intosanto & Ted Wong & Bruce Lee , Bruce lee , Bruce lee 7 ) This is where Bruce Lee Don't like : Belts Ranks ( Titles ) in JKD 8 ) Misleading to Teach orders JKD for Example - Thomas Marx & JKD Poland
Tommy carruthers and his guys are head and shoulders above most in jkd as Tommy was a door man and used his stuff in real fighting Jesse glover pointed Tommy in the right direction. Thomas Marx his videos on RU-vid are fantastic the best I have come across on RU-vid. his one of Tommys guys .tommy was with Jesse glover for over 20 years ted wong Bob bremer Leo fong and more of Bruce lee’s students there’s no trapping in his jkd as Bruce lee pointed his students one way and his self a different way . Jesse seen Bruce for the last time and asked Bruce what he was doing and he demonstrated his jkd he said fencing with hands and feet no trapping in and out fast .he more or less treated ted and Dan as punch bags let’s be honest here hence why Dan came up with concept jkd and has caused controversy with concepts. the one thing Bruce didn’t want with jkd dan went and did it .Jerry lol grand for a cert keeper of the flame more keeper of shame two days with Gerry back in the day you got a certificate too teach 😮 true story.so just be careful about what your saying about so called greats in jkd
True story, you seem like a keyboard warrior. Who are you and what garbage are you trying to peddle here? Did you train directly with Tommy or one of his guys? Or do you just follow them on RU-vid? Did you train in any martial arts? Would love to see your videos.
I think your problem is that you've been training in "marshall" arts. Has nothing to do with combat. But hey, I've got a "Rolax" watch I can sell you for only $50. It's the real thing!!!!
