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The Problem with Solar Panels Fatal Flaw. The first 100 people to use code UNDECIDED at the link below will get 20% off of Incogni: incogni.com/undecided. The solar industry has a potentially fatal flaw: its reliance on silver. As a precious metal, silver is costly and difficult to come by, yet critical to pretty much every kind of solar panel. There is an alternative. Copper based panels have broken world efficiency records and there are some very promising prospects, but panel manufacturers are hesitant to dump silver for copper. Why?
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@UndecidedMF Год назад

What do you think? Still undecided? What other options for more sustainable solar do we have? Is copper the clear answer…or is its reputation too tarnished? The first 100 people to use code UNDECIDED at the link below will get 20% off of Incogni: incogni.com/undecided Join the solar guide waitlist: link.undecidedmf.com/3lrnWzE If you liked this video, check out The truth about wind turbines - how bad are they? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WsswrLKlinU.html

@Stealth86651 Год назад

I don't know why you'd think copper's the right way to go though. Right now most electronics markets are crippled due to the current war. Copper, Lithium and pretty much most base resources required for EV/technology are already heavily impacted, and that production will take 5+ years to start increasing again. Then you get into China's problems and the issue with chip production as a whole. The reality is we're going to be asking the important question of which of these options to invest in, because we're not going to have enough to completely satisfy even one industry, and you're not doubling production in anything less than 10 years at minimum.

@FosterBaba Год назад

If copper works this well, I wonder how materials like aluminum or grapheme would do

@arkatub Год назад

The silver paste is something used in other electronics, it is a well established product in the supply chain, the copper-based solution probably won't be cheaper.

@lordgarion514 Год назад

We're already at a 500,000 ton copper deficient, and it's expected to increase in cost from just over $4 per pound, to around $5.50 per pound next year. Also, when talking about panels needing to be more efficient AND cheaper, you're comparing them to fossil fuels. Worldwide (before Covid), fossil fuels got $400 billion in subsidies. All renewables only got $66 billion. ALSO, you have to factor in the extreme medical costs due to FF use. 8 million direct deaths, and another 26 million people who die earlier due to FF making their conditions worse. Considering that only around 55 million people die every year, that means literally more than half the people are affected by FF. The world spends over $8 trillion on healthcare..... We don't need solar panels to be any cheaper, or more efficient than now, for them to be a LOT cheaper than fossil fuels. Let's compare *ALL* the costs so we can make a fair comparison. Of you count climate change and healthcare costs, fossil fuels get $6 TRILLION in subsidies per year, and increasing rapidly. Just the money wasted on fossil fuel subsidies would easily pay for switching to renewables.

@snorttroll4379 Год назад

graphene graphene graphene

@billhart9832 Год назад

As a former Eastman Kodak employee, it's a good thing that Silver Halide based photography has all but disappeared. At one time Kodak was the world's largest Silver consumer at more than 10 million troy ounces per year. That's 311 metric tons. That total would have been much more had it not been for the internal "silver recovery" infrastructure, that recycled defective products and captured trillions of sprocket hole punches. Copper forward now.

@janami-dharmam Год назад

Global production of silver is somewhere between 20-25 thousand metric tons. you mean kodak was consuming more than 1% of the world production? Assuming this all goes into the gel, you will need more than 100 times this amount of high quality gelatine. that is around 31 thousand tons of gelatine. that about daily 1 ton of silver and more than 100 tons of gelatin.

@sparksmcgee6641 Год назад

@@janami-dharmam 40 years ago silver production was much lower.

@ricardoabh3242 Год назад

Nostalgia the silver screen 😂

@infocat13 Год назад

Does the US government still have Silver reserves? imagine we gifted it to a US solar panel manufacturer if they passed on the savings to individual renters and homeowners

@infocat13 Год назад

I did a Google search the USA owns 25,000 metric tons how many solar panels does this equal to?

@jamesowens7176 Год назад

As with most technologies, I think copper-based panels will become dominant only because the economics finally make sense due to high silver prices. Great reporting on this as always!

@boydnelson2280 Год назад

I worked on this about 10 years ago. My co-workers & I were working with a university in the south west U.S. - we were funded by a government grant. I designed the electroplating cells (Copper, Tin & Nickel) while my associates designed the electroplating chemistry. The University was the main player while we were the hired help. When the project kind of faded away we were left wondering what happened - thanks for the update. Also - yes there are significant challenges that are not immediately apparent to the uninitiated.

@GNP3WP3W Год назад

Copper adhesion is the least of their worries. The biggest issue is copper migration in the silicon. Solar cells are essentially large PN junctions but copper’s incredible ability to migrate through the silicon crystal lattice at low temperatures turn it into a large conductor. This is the biggest hurdle to overcome. A barrier metal will need to be used, like Ta or Ti to prevent diffusion of copper into silicon

@timwildauer5063 Год назад

@@GNP3WP3W What is it that allows copper to diffuse into the silicon? I thought it was smaller molecules that could fit through the lattice, but copper is bigger than silicon? You don’t have to explain it all, but are there resources you could point me to?

@GNP3WP3W Год назад

@@timwildauer5063 I don’t know the specific reason but it is a property of copper that is well known in industry

@janami-dharmam Год назад

@@GNP3WP3W copper (II) ions are bigger than Al(III) ions and should migrate slower. I believe that Cu makes poor ohmic junction because of lattice mismatch (I read it somewhere but cannot recollect the ref)

@GNP3WP3W Год назад

@@janami-dharmam I have looked up more information on this and the reason copper is such an issue is that it has the fastest diffusivity coefficient in silicon. The fact that LSI manufacturers chemically and mechanically planarize wafers increases this coefficient.

@aetius31 Год назад

A little note about Silver sustainability/scarcity, currently silver isnt mined directly but rather is obtained as a byproduct of copper and gold production. Many silver rich/low Cu deposits does exist but are not exploited yet but will be as soon the price is high enough.

@Airwave2k2 Год назад

Industry has no reason to exploit high silver deposits. Silver has in every usability case no advantage as only the high resistance against oxidization makes it viable as a substitute in certain applications, but for pure performance copper or gold will outshine silver no matter the case, which shows in the value it is sold for right now! And in no way will "production" of solar cells that will have to suffer the cost of the mine operation survive it. If the deposits were to exploited exclusivly for solar it will make the costs for a square meter of solar cells go through the roof compared to every other energy production method that already is established. If people think this shit is viable/sustainable it is not, because no populous will suffer through a price increase of 2,3 or more times indirectly inflating living costs by the same amount and not will behead governments. And no halfing the energy usage or making energy consumption 3 times more efficient will not happen. Proponents of such technology have zero clue about the wider implications. ROFLMAO.

@mickgibson370 Год назад

I know a mine that %2 sliver and %4 platinum. I do not know how far it reaches, but the rocks were so high of Mohs that they would take down the entire mountain to get what silver and platinum that was there!

@jeffbybee5207 Год назад

@@mickgibson370 please what is a moh?

@mariusm5660 Год назад

Exactly. Silver does not need to be replaced anytime soon.

@ronson53 Год назад

@@mariusm5660 need no, but want yes. If you have a cheaper material that provides a better product (in theory) then yes bring that to the consumer. If this works you could increase the margin of a company by 5-10% that is not nothing and has nothing to do with silver itself, but dollars and cents.

@rhinox0110 Год назад

One of the awesome things about copper is it's ability to alloy and that makes me wonder what you could alloy it with to replace silver and make it better than just copper.

@bartylobethal8089 Год назад

Copper can be alloyed to silver. This makes the copper a bit more malleable, which I imagine would be a benefit in a product subject to routine thermally-driven expansion and contraction. Small amounts of copper and silver can be added to tin to make lead-free solder, which is not fun to work with but has high conductivity. I imagine that alloys have been considered and possibly discarded as the cost of the alloy exceeds the cost of either copper or silver in their refined state.

@kentprince4851 Год назад

cupronickel

@ddbrosnahan Год назад

Copper-Aluminum alloy has excellent corrosion resistance and durability.

@Marcelcas Год назад

The problem is Cu diffuses in silicon even at room temperature. A diffusion barrier is necessary.

@RasmusSchultz Год назад

@@Marcelcas how about a nano coating of silver? probably difficult to manufacture though 🤔

@bobhilder1469 Год назад

I didn't catch any words about SunPower/Maxeon solar cells. They are "built on a solid copper foundation".

@henrykfu Год назад

Silver prices have actually decreased since 2012 when it had hit $35 per ounce. It spiked up to $28 in 2020 but has been flat to lower ever since.

@davidgreen424 Год назад

In April 2011 it was $47.50 . First thing I did was pause this video and check Silver prices , turns out it's not such a big problem after all.

@00dfm00 Год назад

Silver does have its swings. However, if you look at long term trends, the price pretty much keeps pace with the rate of inflation.

@richardcoughlin8931 Год назад

I guess the trend in actual price of silver - not a Cherry-picked data point - didn’t fit the narrative of the video.🤔

@pegr69 Год назад

@@richardcoughlin8931 mm still Copper price is 1/100th the price of Silver which is the real kicker here...

@richardcoughlin8931 Год назад

@@pegr69 I don’t disagree. Copper based solar would be great. I just objected to what I regarded as the deceptive implication that the price of silver was going steadily up with increased production of solar panels.

@metalmogul4691 Год назад

Matt, Your enthusiasm is carrying you to be more viewed everyday. The video on the copper contact issue with solar is a very key part of dropping solar costs even more. Cost of panels and cost of installation are so important. I can see the dropping of silver very very soon, it's just too expensive. Your videos are always ahead of the tide of the energy world. I am now waiting for everything that you can put into the next video. Your videos are very much like the drive to make solar cheaper, just ahead of of the crowd enough that it's valuable!!!

@7ombische Год назад

Sounds promising! End of life PV panel recycling is also a huge challenge that needs to be cracked.

@lordgarion514 Год назад

There's nothing to crack. They already recycle about 10% of panels. And companies are building facilities to increase how many are recycled. They have also recently figured out how to make(and have sold) recyclable wind turbine blades. They're also currently building battery recycling plants.

@1.4142 Год назад

8:56 Flashing black dot illusion!

@DezFutak Год назад

Really fascinating and inspiring history/development of all the twists & turns in the solar panel technology - thanks Matt!

@insioni Год назад

great information and video. thanks for always pointing out the drawbacks and challenges, instead of glossing over them. Keeps your channel way more interesting

@petergerdes1094 Год назад

So it sounds like there is nothing to worry about. If silver based panels get too expensive then copper tech is ready to take over. I mean it sounds like the only reason we haven't switched to copper is that the silver panels are so cheap.

@bryanb2653 Год назад

Your totally correct… but It’s …the dispersing most of mankind’s known silver deposit into tiny super hard to get fragments all over the world …for me

@lordgarion514 Год назад

It's really not though. Copper is a vastly more useful metal than silver, and we already mine about a half million tons less than we need, with demand climbing MUCH faster than production is increasing.

@mariusm5660 Год назад

...and silver, silver is insanely cheap. Do not be fooled by the USD price. Silver is at 80:1 vs Gold. Very cheap indeed.

@petergerdes1094 Год назад

@@mariusm5660 Are you suggesting the USD price somehow get the price of silver wrong? Or just that the price isn't really that high?

@janami-dharmam Год назад

@@petergerdes1094 many precious metal prices are artificial.

@streaky81 Год назад

The thing I find interesting about SunDrive is they also say that the process can be used on much thinner wafers, which on its own would seem to make a big difference: the issues over the last few years quite aside from solar have clearly demonstrated how much of a problem our dependence on silicon wafers is, anything to reduce the size of them has got to be huge, particularly in terms of cost but also like silver in driving those prices in other markets for silicon.

@Kevin_Street Год назад

Thank you for this really interesting video! It's a good example of how many technological problems can be overcome if you put enough time and ingenuity (and sometimes new people with fresh approaches) into solving them.

@LoanwordEggcorn Год назад

Thanks much for the update Matt.

@SaveMoneySavethePlanet Год назад

While important, deployment of solar is only half of the equation. The other half is reduction of usage. Many people who find that they struggle to afford solar for one reason or another could look into getting the insulation in their homes replaced or having someone come in to seal up cracks around windows where heat is escaping. Once they’ve done this, people may find that solar becomes cheaper to install because their home no longer requires such a large system!

@lordgarion514 Год назад

Energy use reduction will be essential. Much more than half the equation. Did you know that in America, our appliances memory and us leaving our wall chargers plugged in when not charging anything, uses all the electricity from 2 full size coal power plants? And you have to be careful sealing up a house. They tried super insulating houses back in the 1980's. Took about 5 years, and windows started rotting out left and right. My sister's house had literally every window rot out. The fix was to punch small holes in the house and install a fan. People release a LOT of moisture into the air, even when not sweating at all.

@gordonlawrence1448 Год назад

definitely worth keeping an eye on.

@jeremydable2468 Год назад

Well this was a story that I had not heard before. Thank you for your research and for bringing it to us.

@soggybaguette8457 Год назад

I love starting my day with one of Matt’s videos!

@UndecidedMF Год назад

Appreciate that

@sjsomething4936 Год назад

Agreed, especially when the information seems promising for reducing the cost of a renewable technology, and possibly increasing the efficiency. Increasing efficiency of SPV to 50% would be astronomical, I realize we’re nowhere close to that but doubling the efficiency halves the amount of panels, roof space or land needed thus halving the cost, or alternatively doubles the output of electricity for the same area and cost. It’d also make solar practical in some places where it wouldn’t have been previously - smaller locations where the setup cost wouldn’t otherwise be justifiable (ie profitable), so doubling efficiency would (potentially) result in more than doubling the total amount of energy generated as it permits greater penetration of the technology.

@sundrivesolar Год назад

Well put together Matt. Addressing the silver usage in solar cell metallisation will be crucial for not only sustainability but also increasing the efficiency potential.

@TheMg49 Год назад

Very clear and informative presentation. Thanks. Great channel.

@jaredleemease Год назад

Thank you Matt.

@DrownedInExile Год назад

I had no idea Silver was so vital for solar panel production. Doesn't sound like the demand or price for solar and silver is going to go down. So best of luck to the Copper pioneers. And SunDrive sounds like something out of Star Wars :)

@alexwalker2582 Год назад

SunDrive Manufacturing would be an interesting ship company in SW for sure.

@artel6225 Год назад

Thank you, Matt, Great status update on the future of solar panels

@UndecidedMF Год назад

Thanks for watching!

@LordWhirlin Год назад

Got solar panels installed in southern NH after seeing your success in MA. Company that helped me out I definitely recommend, and the insight into the generation is amazing. Definitely recommend Harvey Woods if other folks area up in our neck of the woods.

@user-vg5ob3lw3c Год назад

We have to wait until February!!! Hope you have something good. Been debating over panels over shingles. Planning demolishing and starting a new built .

@Litchert Год назад

I am very excited to hear about what you are doing to help with residential solar panels. I would love if this help would include some bullet pointed arguments to present to my HOA so that I can get them to rewrite the bylaw that prevents me from doing that

@UndecidedMF Год назад

Hi Zach. It doesn't, but that's a great suggestion for me to add to it. 👍

@BabaBabelOm Год назад

Federal law prevents HOAs from stopping you from installing solar. They can request it be put on specific roof sections or limited area but can’t stop the thing in total. If you want help with this, I work at Enphase, and have C-level contacts with all the big names- and great relationships with their reps, and local installers.

@nomore-constipation Год назад

@@BabaBabelOm I live in a 60-70s built apartment building with a fairly flat roof with limited public lawn area. They have been nice to allow gardening but with limited area and no liability for theft. I'm interested in what you are talking about and if that translates to me as a renter (not owner). I would love to do it but due to time restrictions I stopped doing the garden and used to have Direct TV. But they stopped allowing us to use the satellite dish, in effect banning it. I wanted to put up starlink but I was told no as well. Do you think because I'm a person who rents I no longer have the same rights as a owner?

@darkshadowsx5949 Год назад

@@nomore-constipation yeah.. renters dont have the same rights. owners have the final say. its been that way forever. you have to have the owner's permission to do any changes to the property. satellite dish installations that are anchored to a surface damage that surface. damage is caused by drilling and sealants. Renters are similar to paying guests but a small step up, you get a key, can send your mail there, and you can furnish the place. you might be able to convince the owner to let you do starlink if the installation doesn't require drilling into the building. maybe build a box and fill it with cement as an anchor. that way the dish is secured from heavy wind and it can be removed without damage to the building. only other thing to think about is cable routing which is usually done by drilling a hole in a wall or roof.

@nemesis1588 Год назад

@@nomore-constipation the reasons for not allowing those could vary but i do not beleive there are any protections for tenants to be able to choose their own utilities. If you live in the US tthen it is likely the landowner or management company have an agreement with an MSP, such as the local Cable company; to provide TV and Internet service to tenants. the cable company thusly probably threatened the complex over allowing satellite TV/Internet services. But it could also just be something as simple as them not wanting all the extra weight of a bunch of metal dishes on the roof or having to have a bunch of extra holes/wires on the building for them.

@peterpetropoulos9607 Год назад

have you looked into, or do you plan to look into, what happened to optical rectennas ? NREL had a push in that direction some years ago but then nothing. Very good work, I love your videos.

@robertanderson5092 Год назад

Rectifying alternating current at such a high frequency is the challenge.

@mcspaddencw Год назад

I really enjoy your pun presentation style. Ive been watching your show every week since Joe Scott highlighted your channel a number of years ago. Thank you for all of the effort and dedication.

@2006craig Год назад

Keep up the awesome work, dude!

@hesawhat Год назад

The latest developments that have my attention are around tandem cells, or those sandwiching two or more cell types that actually harvest different bandwidths. Some light passes through a thin film, then onto a silicon cell, and you have a 40% boost to power output. That's a big deal! I'm hopeful perovskites get there, but want to see more from CdTe regardless.

@Therover19 Год назад

Hey man. Love your work. I am concerned about the sponsor you have chosen. While Incogni's services work, they have intentionally made it hard to unsubscribe. I hope you consider not taking sponsors with dark design patterns.

@jotkar598 Год назад

Wow! You make great videos, but in my opinion, this one was by far the best!

@mauricioweber8879 Год назад

Great content and research!! I’m surprised with all your videos... & still undecided.. Thanks

@CM8008s Год назад

Someday we’ll be surrounded by beautiful copper patina solar roofs!!

@WolfeSaber9933 Год назад

Or over red bricks, to blend in.

@theharbinger2573 Год назад

"over copper resistance" - I see what you did there.

@roguebullet4220 Год назад

Very interesting & as always, well researched.

@P.R.Shriram Год назад

Signed up for newsletter, if my information is sold incogni is gonna have words with you 🤣

@jerrycomo2736 Год назад

Southeast Florida solar cost analysis: As of 2022 a complete solar system on the roof would cost me about $50 more per month than grid supplied power. I would still do it, but the homeowners insurance company would cancel the policy. Roofs here are an integral part of the hurricane envelope. I don't have enough land to place panels freestanding. I would like to install whole house battery backup system externally. So far, the only external whole-house battery backup systems available (Tesla, Generac, etc.) must include a solar system.

@lordgarion514 Год назад

Unfortunately, renewables have to compete with FF on subsidies. And worldwide, FF get $400 billion in subsidies, while all renewables only get $66 billion. (Numbers pre-covid) Luckily in most places, renewables are cheaper even with the extra subsidies FF get. Maybe fewer panels mounted on poles, and a small wind turbine would work. Wind is also cheaper than solar. Solar is the most expensive renewable, but also provides a truly staggering number of jobs. At 2.7% of electricity production, solar provides just over 500,000 jobs. Coal makes 63% of electricity, but only provides just under 900,000 jobs.

@rickytorres9089 Год назад

Why don't you opt for options like EcoFlow's Deltas and a few others that you can have installed for grid's backups? These systems WILL backs up your grid power WITHOUT the need for external generators such as solar, gasoline and so on.

@macmcleod1188 Год назад

@@lordgarion514 "Globally, fossil fuel subsidies are were $5.9 trillion or 6.8 percent of GDP in 2020 and are expected to increase to 7.4 percent of GDP in 2025 as the share of fuel consumption in emerging markets (where price gaps are generally larger) continues to climb." Per the IMF.

@lordgarion514 Год назад

@@macmcleod1188 THAT'S including the "cost" of climate change as well. I'm talking about the money and tax breaks we directly give to fossil fuel companies.

@lordgarion514 Год назад

@@macmcleod1188 This is everything the IMF numbers include. "Implicit subsidies occur when the retail price fails to include external costs and/or there are preferential consumption tax rates on energy. External costs include contributions to climate change through greenhouse gas emissions, local health damages (primarily pre-mature deaths) through the release of harmful local pollutants like particulates, and traffic congestion and accident externalities associated with the use of road fuels."

@GGN-92 Год назад

Thanks for the share.

@avejst Год назад

Great walkthrough of the process Thanks for sharing your video with all of us :-)

@freman Год назад

I wonder if sputtering would work better than trying to make an ink?

@jackphillips3512 Год назад

Silver prices have essentially been flat (there is some ups and downs) for several years. I collect coins as well as own bullion and watch it closely. While it fluctuates a lot, it has not radically changed. Additionally, copper is just a volatile as silver on a percentage basis.

@damienradford Год назад

Awww man, it gives me pride and enthusiasm to see the Aussie solar innovators plugging away. It makes me wish I'd focused on that (or anything) at uni after dabbling in model solar cars in high school.

@dipakpatel9329 Год назад

My roof (UK) has SunPower (California / USA made) panels since 2012 (Compact size E19 was rated ar 250watts, 19% efficiency / E21 was 270watts and 20-21%) They are still around.

@Raptorman0909 Год назад

The amount of silver needed to apply a layer using screen printing is significant, but once the parts that aren't needed are removed the amount of silver on each square meter of panel is fairly small -- probably less than a dollar per square meter. Of course, if the silver that's removed isn't recycled then the total amount of silver used might well be a significant percentage of the total cost, but I find it hard to believe they can't recycle the excess paste.

@PrograError Год назад

it's likely you could be the cost is so high they rather don't, just like plastic recycling... most of the "recycling" involve shipping those biohazards to "third world" countries like Malaysia and China and the like... which when those countries reject the "import" they go on a whirlwind tour for the next "victim"...

@charleswilliams2113 Год назад

Copper can be alloyed with other metals like nickel to make copper-nickel, it took Edison a while but when they found it look how far they went.

@Sight-Beyond-Sight Год назад

Why not alloy it with silver? If we cannot forego the use of silver, why not try to reduce the quantity needed?

@janami-dharmam Год назад

nickel is one metal that mixes well with many others.

@davejack8973 Год назад

Great vid guys!

@ronaldvanotten6812 Год назад

Hi Matt, I wonder if a copper alloy might be feasible... I like the idea of using more of the common elements for panels...Thanks, Ron..

@Paxium Год назад

Why not just make a copper-silver alloy, silver-nickel alloy, or a silver-aluminum alloy. I'm sure if you get the ratios right you could use them in the same application while significantly cutting costs.

@ddbrosnahan Год назад

Why not Copper-Aluminum alloy which has excellent corrosion resistance and durability.

@57wadey Год назад

Hey Matt, great story. As a Sydneysider, great to see the UNSW alumni starting Sundrive. Just a bit concerned about the sourcing of copper around the world, particularly in parts of Africa, China & environmentally sensitive areas of South America. Hopefully enough can be sourced responsibly. Cheers, Greg.

@ronson53 Год назад

That depends on the end consumers. If enough consumers make a big deal about it I am sure company's will clean up their act.

@jonahsingh5645 Год назад

@@ronson53 Well then nothing will change, putting world scale problem on the individual wont solve anything.

@dthompson9167 Год назад

I thoroughly enjoy your videos! They very well produced and extremely informative. Thank you for what you do! I look forward to the 28th.

@scottmuench6855 Год назад

Well researched and interesting history lesson

@Cowboy_Steve Год назад

I got a gallon jar full of pennies I'll donate... Well done Matt and team - thanks for sharing 🤠

@jackphillips3512 Год назад

Unfortunately, they are mostly copper coated zinc (anything after 1982). Plus, the government made it illegal to melt down pennies! Pennies before 1982 are worth more in copper than their face value. It is border line on the value for the zinc jobs.

@UndecidedMF Год назад

😂 Thanks, Steve.

@Cowboy_Steve Год назад

@@jackphillips3512 Jack... it was a joke. Way to crimp the mirth... 🙄

@lordgarion514 Год назад

@@Cowboy_Steve Thing is, you might have meant it as a joke, but the government banned it because people were actually doing that.

@Cowboy_Steve Год назад

@@lordgarion514 Well you have done your civic duty for the day. Have a cookie. As for me, I have to go turn off my smelter...

@GreatgoatonFire Год назад

CuBert sounds like a fantastic option if it does work. Just swapping over from a sliver to copper paste without any major overhauls sounds ideal for manufacturers.

@adr2t Год назад

That or a carbon base paste as well

@GreatgoatonFire Год назад

@@adr2t Sure, that would be great too.

@ronm6585 Год назад

Thank you.

@philipgrice1026 Год назад

I installed four Shell solar panels on the roof of our Monaco coach 20 years ago. They still work very well. The coach is stored outdoors, unprotected in all weathers so I am well pleased with their performance, keeping my bank of batteries fully charged. The only maintenance they have received is the occasional wash and polish.

@kstricl Год назад

I went down a quick rabbithole of screen printing compatible copper inks. Gotta say, there are way more options than just CuBert - it just needs manufacturers to embrace them. That being said, CuBert has the advantage with the plug'n'play chemistry. I hope it ends up being widely adopted.

@Enonymouse_ Год назад

Semiconductors can be utilized more efficiently by way of vapor deposition, it is a method the computer industry uses a lot of.

@anthonydunn729 Год назад

They should add super thin layer of silver into the groove, then put copper on top of that. That way the copper isn't in direct contact with the silicon and has a harder time delaminating. Making the groove deeper should make it harder for the copper to delaminate / bend up and break off too, as it makes it a wider ribbon of metal that is harder to bend.

@KMCA779 Год назад

maybe aluminium instead of silver for this idea. I know for a time it was used in wiring

@ddbrosnahan Год назад

Why not Copper-Aluminum alloy which has excellent corrosion resistance and durability.

@dominus6695 Год назад

@@ddbrosnahan maybe the low conductivity would be countering the benefits

@dominus6695 Год назад

what about graphene?

@TheExecutioner4 Год назад

@@dominus6695 Hard to produce big amount

@moos5221 Год назад

Interesting. And amazing video editing quality.

@klepow Год назад

I think that you are the best RU-vidr at explaining what a long hard push it is to get technology from the laboratory to the factory.

@havek23 Год назад

Silver's industrial uses and demand sure hasn't made the price skyrocket like all the precious metal investors had hoped. We keep wanting $50/ozt but it never comes!

@kensmith5694 Год назад

The IC industry uses Aluminum for conductors. They have been doing it a long time. It seems that this would be an alternative if there is a way to do large areas at a low cost. I think the method used for ICs is to put down a layer of aluminum, mask it and then etch away what you don't want. This may be expensive on a solar panel.

@Joe-Dead Год назад

they need conductivity for efficiency, silver, copper, and gold in that order are the best single element conductors of both electricity and heat. aluminum, while conductive is pretty bad at it comparatively. aluminum though is very cheap compared to copper you just lose efficiency in all ways that matter. not great conducting electricity, not great at thermal transfer, again, compared to any of the top 3.

@SquintyGears Год назад

And they can do etching on any of the metals mentioned. Chip production is done with copper and photoresistive etching masks. Aluminum is also used in many cables despite it's lower efficiency because when you are going to be suspending a massive cable the weight matters more.

@randysterbentz5599 Год назад

@@SquintyGears Oooo that's interesting! Never thought about the implications of using different density metals for suspended cables

@darkshadowsx5949 Год назад

@@Joe-Dead a lot of cheap houses are wired with aluminum.

@Br3ttM Год назад

@@randysterbentz5599 You can reduce resistance by making cables thicker, and aluminum is so much lighter than copper, that even after making it thick enough to match a copper conductor, it still weighs less. That means longer spans between power poles.

@believein1 Год назад

Really quality work in your videos. New viewer and subscriber.

@erickessler6094 Год назад

Haha, Tarnished! Well done Matt! Cu sure seems to have a bright future. I wonder if a kind of Conformal Coating could be applied to eliminate oxidation. Cheers, Eric

@lakeguy65616 Год назад

the price of silver is not rising...

@markgriff9265 Год назад

Yes, the CME group has been manipulating the price since the run up in the early 2000s. The price should probably be about 100 / oz.

@dogzebra2708 Год назад

What makes anyone think that the price of copper won't rise with the demand?

@ForzaJersey Год назад

Exactly

@petrichor3947 Год назад

Witch is there more of?

@anarchisttechsupport6644 Год назад

Copper's a more abundant, already commercially available material. While it may cause some price rise, the scale of solar demand is nothing compared to what already exists.

@entertaintech4374 Год назад

It’s wayyyyyyy more abundant in the earth, and able to be recycled from consumer items in mass now. It’s possible, but not likely anytime in the next 100yrs. There’s a medical university in Arizona that has an exterior panels made of copper, because it reflects the sun and is mined nearby, and the cost was low compared to alternatives that may need to be serviced or replaced.

@MaddHatter Год назад

From the video "there is hundreds of times more copper than silver" but copper is rising in price, just not as rapidly as silver

@davidorcutt9246 Год назад

All your videos rock. Thank you for and what you do:)-

@rolandtb3 Год назад

Learnt alot today: % efficiency, copper oxidation, diffusion, delamination. Lower material and possibly manufacturing costs compered to silver. Offset by 20 yr to 35 yr reliability issues. Ongoing improvements and methods. Well done.

@glenn726 Год назад

There is a valid method of acceleration of environmental testing to predict long-term reliability. Look up Arrhenius test methodology. I have used it in other areas to satisfactory results.

@BenoitMassicotte Год назад

White elephant tech. Nuclear needs to be back massively.

@KingHavocDraigo Год назад

It would take to long to build nuclear plants necessary to tackle the energy needs for climate change and for cheaper energy in our current government structure.

@BenoitMassicotte Год назад

@@KingHavocDraigo So... Your answer is doing the wrong thing? Genius.

@KingHavocDraigo Год назад

@@BenoitMassicotte your answer is just being late to address the problem, I at least support solar power that can address the issues sooner than a Decade..... how would you address the problem while nuclear power plants take decades to build and implement? I also never said that we shouldn't build them

@BenoitMassicotte Год назад

@@KingHavocDraigo I see, we should pollute even more to make solar panels that work intermittently by their very nature, are unscalable for large use, have poor life cycles. And use fossil fuel burning to cover when the sun is down... Like we do now, bringing the cost of energy AND pollution way, way up for everyone. Another much cleaner solution is hydro if possible. Thank you.

@KingHavocDraigo Год назад

@@BenoitMassicotte how do people live life offgrid with solar panels then? how does eco flow make their solar generators? ohh right people who strawman and gaslight like you don't think ahead, actually you don't think at all

@blurglide Год назад

The fatal flaw is they only work when and where it's sunny. They only really make sense in the desert. I live in Albuquerque and my panels only put out about 1/7 the power on our rare cloudy days. Fortunately, we have 300 sunny days per year here

@stevept1504 Год назад

Panels still make sense even near the notoriously cloudy Manchester (UK), speaking from personal experience. Mine will never make my home independent of the grid but they still produce more kWh annually than we use.

@blurglide Год назад

@@stevept1504 perhaps, but you need a massive array to do that. It’s a waste to put such a thing in Manchester rather than Morocco, where it could easily produce 5-7x the power. It’s doubtful you’ll ever break even on the energy required to produce them

@blurglide Год назад

@@stevept1504 my 5 kw array, with panels facing SE and SW rather than due south, routinely produces 26 kWh per day in the middle of winter, but only 3.5 kWh on our rare cloudy day, or only 1.5 if we have a little snow overnight. That suggests it’s 7x more effective somewhere that’s always sunny. How is yours performing?

@stevept1504 Год назад

@@blurglide You're not wrong, they'd certainly churn out more power if I lived in Morocco or Albuquerque, but their power is needed here in this moist, maritime-influenced, cloudy climate. 300 sunny days per year where you are, wow! I'm not going to quote Manchester's equivalent statistic. 🤣

@blurglide Год назад

@@stevept1504 put another way, a panel in Morroco would reduce 700% as much carbon emissions as a panel in Manchester. Best to put them there and use the fossil fuels in the UK, rather than the other way around as is happening now. Or, put the capital investment into nuclear. There’s a reason power is do absurdly expensive in Germany.

@rustywater3219 Год назад

I saw a show somewhere on youtube...The WW2 uranium separation machines needed a bunch of copper, but supply was all tied up in the war effort. So they borrowed silver from the treasury.

@damaddog8065 Год назад

nice work.

@rcstann Год назад

¹1¹st; Looking at building charging stations

@socrazybmx Год назад

This copper option is intriguing, but let's not forget how important it is to find panels not assembled by slaves in China or with cobalt hand-mined by African children dropped by ropes into holes in the earth.

@anarchisttechsupport6644 Год назад

Nice try, but its the USA who has 20% of the world's prisoners from 5% of the human population. And the 13th Ammendment? Carved out an exception to slavery for prisoners. Meanwhile, China is well off enough to *claim* they've abolished poverty. Whether thats true? Takes work to dig up after piercing their "Great Firewall" of state censorship.

@tomspencer1364 Год назад

The cobalt is used in Lithium ion batteries of a particular kind, not in solar panels. Don't know about the "slaves" since the propaganda is so thick between the empires. For solar power, lithium batteries will be replaced by cheaper tech.

@socrazybmx Год назад

@@tomspencer1364the slave claims are confirmed - Uighurs are assembling them in "re-education" centers. Your cobalt point is fair criticism. Cobalt is indeed used in lithium batteries, not panels. But storing harvested solar energy at scale in anything other than a lithium battery is uncommon. Cobalt and solar panels go hand in hand.

@tomspencer1364 Год назад

@@socrazybmx Other technologies should be replacing Lithium before long except for the high end vehicles. There are probable other sources of cobalt or substitutions if someone wants to do the research. No doubt the Turkic liberation types are suffering, but they would not be happy until all the Chinese were gone. And the Chinese have been there for 1000 years or more like 2000. I don't expect objective truth from either side since that is not the way of Empires. Nor is righteousness much defense against the legions.

@joanmompovidal9589 Год назад

The BEST channel about technolgy. Thank you very much, Matt Ferrell.

@garethyoung6067 Год назад

Thanks

@paulcrusse7800 Год назад

Thank you

@KatharinaIPV2GmbH Год назад

Thanks for mentioning our Fraunhofer ISE spinoff PV2+ GmbH in your video!

@harrygoldhagen2732 Год назад

Awesome, Matt!

@TimmyBoja Год назад

I was printing nano-copper circuits back in 2015 but the issue is that copper oxides are non-conductive but silver remains a good conductor even in higher oxidation states.

@jeffreymoorbeck5039 Год назад

Cool information! I wonder though if copper prices would rise dramatically due to demand if/when it replaces silver in the solar panel industry.

@HenningJohansen Год назад

Would you please, PLEASE consider using chapter marks on the progress bar. Most of my favourite channels have started doing this, and it's a great benefit to the viewer.

@jogon1052 Год назад

Thanks Matt. Our solar panels need replacing and we will definitely be looking at the cost of replacing them with copper panels.

@edwardnino9896 Год назад

Great very concise info, thanks and thanks for the puns!! Very Punny!!!

@UndecidedMF Год назад

😉

@Llamacowking99 Год назад

Well my install date is next week as I already ran with the resources provided through your EnergySage link. Hope whatever comes next is even better!

@tradingnichols2255 Год назад

Been short silver for days. It's been going down for a while, rapidly. Could be some much big players shorting to get prices down for manufacturers of all sorts.

@pablomoreira2418 Год назад

Great video as always, never knew about this issue 16:21 he said the thing!

@williamhansen8699 Год назад

Thanks!

@UndecidedMF Год назад

Thanks so much!

@SteveP-vm1uc Год назад

Hi Matt.. Yet another great video. I am really glad I found your channel... Also, I had a feeling you were from the Western NY area.. I am also from Rochester originally. Tampa Bay since 1994' though... Health pushed us to the Sunny part of the country!!

@rickharold7884 Год назад

Beautiful. Love all these different approaches pushing forward. I love it

@UndecidedMF Год назад

👍

@MD.ImNoScientician Год назад

@UndecidedwithMattFerrell I'm sorry if this seems off-topic. Have you reviewed electric "sub-floor" radiant heating? I'm curious to use this in an upcoming home renovation.

@EliasRodriguez123 Год назад

Awesome video

@MuttMuttOutdoors Год назад

Looking at doing a solar install myself pretty soon. Planning for a complete DIY system right now outside of maybe a couple final connections but that means my total cost of investment will be a lot less than others and I want to do micro inverters so I can spread the investment out a bit. Thankfully I am in a small town where the limitations of DIY is a lot less than a lot of other area's. In the process of replacing my roof, rewiring, installing insulation, and a ton of other things. House was built around 1911 so there are a lot of little issues to deal with and sadly the previous owner was basically a slum lord. Already replaced all the water supply lines because it went from one material to another at random, was completely sub standard, and the water heater was plumbed backwards...

@donjack4932 Год назад

Interesting topic and impressive presentation Matt. What else concerns me is not only the comparative advantages for the technologies involved in production,( which is important), between At and Cu conductors,. Rather Im concerned with the availability of either metal , in absolute terms, as demand skyrockets with global demand. There are interesting studies that have dire predictions for raw materials meeting demand. I have not conclusively ruled tu the potential for hidden agendas, so I might just be spreading unwarranted concern. Maybe you could make another episode on predicted future demand and supply for the less rare materials that might end up being the more common constraint for meeting demand.