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I feel like I got a comparison from a couple of guys in a gun store. Shitting on the Radian charger and the Geissele trigger? Shitting on the colors? The only takeaway from this video was that there is a barrel length difference, Sig's colors matched, Sig has all Sig parts. Which one is more reliable? Which one is better running suppressed/unsuppressed? Which one is more accurate on the bench? Drop test them. For Christ's sake...
You sound hurt, there was a lot of other points like the weight, feel, features. I love the look of the honey badger to but there’s way better options out there with same or better systems. Q is like Taran tactical, they both use marketing to get you to pay the absurd amount of money they ask for for their products.
Looks like someone bought the honey badger.😎 I agree there are variables that are left out, but the SIG does appear to be the better option and you're getting more for the money. Fully ambidextrous, tool-less gas adjustment, piston driven, non rotational QD sling attachments, completely made in house, etc. I think it looks a hell of a lot sexier, too. They also didn't get into how modular the spear LT series is either. I'm glad I went with SIG.
It seems like you boys are a touch misinformed on a few things. We'd love to have you guys up to the shop in NH so ya'll can talk to the engineers about the decisions we made! Drinks on us.
People just want to hate on the honey badger especially when they don’t even own one. They think they should rationalize why the “cheaper gun” is better
We could easily own one if we wanted to, we just don’t. We have tested the HB many times in the past and the opinion has not changed. There are better guns for the money on the market that aren’t “cheaper” by any means. Just better. No judgement if you picked up a HB. They are slick for sure.
Radian CH and Geissele trigger (both superior than what comes with Spear) makes up the difference in price. I own a Spear LT and switched out both of those with what’s on HB.
Only problem with the honey Badger is you do not have the option to swap over to the recoil system and piston system found in the mcx. Which would cost much more than the trigger or ch. you would be about $100 more than the HB with those upgrades and have 10 times the gun at that point. Can agree on the trigger and CH being better from radian. But that is more of a preference thing that can be easily changed if you really want. Personally I don’t mind the trigger on the spear and most people don’t. So In that sense the price difference really is not worth it.
have both, but i still end up grabbing the HB as a backpack gun, love the lightness. the ambi controls is a major gripe for real. feels like at this price point it shud be included
I disagree: 1. for people who actually fight with guns "ambi controls" aren't ideal. 2. The Badger has better terminal ballistics out of a shorter barrel. 3. The badger rail is stronger, holds better zero, and ideal for lasers. 4. Its lighter and more compact. 5. Its better supressor host. You cant compare guns by simply comparing parts, you have to compare guns by taking a systems approach in which you analyze which is more effective in meeting its stated objective, "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts."
I’d take a look at why the military required ambi controls in their next squad weapon. Those are guys who “actually fight”. If the badger was a good option then why don’t special forces teams opt for that platform? You’d be hard pressed to find any teams running anything from Q. How does the Q have better ballistics? The data shows the opposite.
@@keenanschouten2582 From a Harnandy websete Terminal ballistics is the study of how a projectile behaves when it hits its target and transfers its kinetic energy to the target. The bullet's design, as well as its impact velocity, plays a huge role in how the energy is transferred. In other words: bullet design is the major factor. Second factor - velocity. Honey Badger with 6 inch barrel provides worse terminal effect than any other rifle chambered in same caliber and having longer barrel. You just showed how ignorant you are. You heard something, but didn't understand what exactly was said... Lolol 😂
Eh, I guess you could say the HB feels outdated because it's not Ambi and is not piston. But the HB is lighter than anything else I've run. I dislike that I can't get mine to run Subs, but it's still pretty light. The metal mags are still nice. They feel lighter, and to some of us, it brings some nostalgia because we used to get issues with metal mags back in the days.
Preciate y’all. Sold me on the SPEAR. Which can? Sandman S?? One more question. Will it take a Geissele trigger??? Or is it proprietary to Sig the FCG.
It’s a standard at trigger setup so change out to your hearts desire. While I like geissele triggers a lot. I have been on a trigger tech kick lately. For the can I personally got a sandman s FDE military contract over run can. It looks awesome with this setup. As far as sound suppression goes I’ve heard better also deadair is in a major funk at the moment as far as quality control and customer service for repairs on warranty claims. So buy at your own risk. But I would pair any FDE can with it. To me it completes the package. Rugged, sico, surefire, huxwrx, aac, thunder beast, all have FDE options. Plus sico has that new paint program. Or maybe the new scythe Ti would look pretty slick.
@@GearsofGuns would you get it over the Sandman S if you could only have one? If so lmk I’ll get an FDE for the SPEAR when the time comes. I’m waiting on a Sparrow for my Accurized MK2 that I’m waiting to come back from getting the new NT7 Plus coating and new match trigger from Elite Ammunition. I got a Mask for the Mk57 after I got the Sparrow for my MK2. The Mask is what I’m most stoked for. Getting a Wolverine for my 74 ALPHA already properly KNS’d. SureFire SB2 for the Galil ACE. Praying I don’t have to KNS the Galil.
As a lefty…. I know I’m a sinner but I like how the spear is amby. Still looking into what I want. I do like the badger because the q is on close out for $2500 rn but not sure how I feel about it.
That being said I really like my spear lt, I think it’s priced right and it performs very well. Both are good looking. Only thing about the spear is there was some QC issues with the barrel not being torque correctly. If you go that route just check it before using to keep from that headache.
Don't get us wrong Radian is a great company but the Radian model isn't much of an upgrade when you talk price being the same as the HB and is lacking of adjustable gas block or piston.
You bring up the length of the barrel being bad on the HB but it’s not always about the length in order to shoot distance and accurately. The HB has a 1:5 twist not to mention the “updated” honey badger is the q boom box which will blow the mcx away
It’s not bad but it is not the optimal length for a full proper burn in 300 blk. 9-10 inches. it was that length that the cartridge was originally designed around. Both barrels have a 1:5 inch twist and the boombox is built around an AR-10 frame so it is both of those is a moot point.
Plus for q to billet all their receivers and not add an ambi bolt release for the sake of "weight" is lol especially for a 300$ difference where q is more than a sig.
@@GearsofGuns Boombox will be small frame AR15 components, with a modified/enlarged mag well akin to the POF Revolution. They actually used a POF Revolution receiver set during prototyping. You can see it in use on a demolition ranch video from about a year ago.
You would need to pit the boombox against the civilian spear in order to draw a better comparison and I’ve got to say, non reciprocating charging handle feels great on the spear. I sold my honey badger to buy my virtus and now I’m waiting on the rattler LT.
This is really mostly opinion based. They both have advantages over the other one in different ways. Who gives a crap about the slight difference in color on the HB upper and lower and the lines. The HB is meant to be stripped down and not have anything extra it doesn't need.
We do not hate Q, just don’t love the honey Badger. Overpriced for what it is, would be better if it was priced around 2200 not 3k. Thanks for stopping by though, be sure to let SIG know we gave them a free commercial! 😂 hopefully they’ll pay us then!
The rattler and dissent are in my opinion actual improvements. With side charging, no buffer tube, pic rail in rear, and adjustable gas block. While the GQ paladin is pretty slick looking and fully ambi. It is something that can for the most part be built for cheaper. But the sig and CMMG is something that you really can’t just build from parts. I would lean towards the CMMG more due to better availability and price. Then I would go with the rattler or the spear. If price is not much of a concern I would lean towards the Sig for sure. It is a very well thought out system. In the end I doubt you would be disappointed in any of those choices. They’re all fine rifles.
Noveske is also one of those brands you are paying for the name to a degree. Even LWRCI is that way and I own a few of their rifles. Are they a quality rifle? You bet your sweet *** it is. This is the case with just about all these Gucci rifles. Diminishing returns start to occur around the 2k mark for the AR platform. Just keep that in mind. If the gun checks all the marks for your needs and money is no object then go for it. I’d take it over the honey badger personally. I still wish it had ambi mag release. But who knows… gen 5 might provide that! I’d give it like a 7/10, it’s an improvement over its cousin.
Hey loved the video but i just wanted to address a common mistake. While, yes the previous gens for the MCX line, the Spear LT is different since it was designed alongside the NGSW (next gen squad weapon) program. As per the manual for the spear lt, the gas settings are for normal/adverse conditions. The 300 blk spear lt won't even run subs reliably without a suppressor.
@GearsofGuns Which brands of subs did you use cause I'd like to try them out, you know when the price drops. I've personally had the issue with some brands like fiocchi's 150gr, which is weird since it's not even sub sonic, but also with Remington's 220gr. I haven't had the funds to try a large variety, nor did my local shop have much availability. I have heard the same from some of the other owners I've spoken to but that's not really all that many of us. But the possible lack of reliability was outlined in sig's manual for the rifle. I'll actually get the chance to try out more ammo soon so I'll get back to you guys on which ammo didn't work for me
Didn't the military choose the MCX Rattler? Probably a fairer comparison to the Honey Badger. Of course, now SIG has a MCX Rattler LT too... @@dakotastewart5853
It's NOT suppressed/unsuppressed! It's clean and dirty. You only change the gas setting if the gun is dirty as fuck. Otherwise you run suppressed or unsuppressed WITHOUT changing any settings.
they both have different purposes... i would carry my HB in my backpack all day over my spear LT but i would choose my spear LT over my HB if i only had these options in a SHTF scenario dont think they compare
Between the HB and the Sig Spear LT, im definitely going for the Spear LT. But I will most likely get a Sugar Weasel becaus its significantly cheaper and a lot lighter than the Sig.
@@GearsofGuns Contact Q, they should take care of you. I bought the Mini Fix and when I received it I noticed a pretty bad defect on the stainless barrel. I contacted them and sent pictures. They sent me over a shipping label and I had it back to me less than two weeks. Best customer service I have ever experienced.
@@GearsofGuns Yep for sure I was pretty annoyed seeing the blemish (kinda looked like pitting or rust) on my barrel but Q made it right and fixed it. The Mini Fix looks amazing, I absolutely love it.
@@jzzzzz8362 sounds like under powered reloads. The spear has run all ammo I’ve tossed at it so far. All factory new loads though. Can you confirm these are remanded loads?
@GearsofGuns mine has issues with S&B 200gr subs (green box) and hornady 190 sub-x (these run better than S&B but barely) unsuppressed. 220 grains seem to work fine. My HB however runs them no problem and the LT runs them 100% when suppressed. I will say though my HB as much as I love it doesn't like to run dirty and I experience more failures overall with it compared to my Sig
It’s too light, small, handy, technically not full ambi, the colors don’t match, the lines are so ugly and OMG Becky did you even see the metal mag like literally gag me with a spoon
But they could easily adapt the rifle to current needs for consumers. That’s the problem is Kevin is just riding on the name at this point and not putting effort into improving his product. Time will tell though.
@@samuelmartinez675 which we will most likely pick up. But let’s be honest, it’s just a larger version of the same outdated gun with a fancy new cartridge being the big advancement. That being said, I like the 8.6blk cartridge. It’s. Dream suppressed.
The ignorance about the purpose design "lines and shapes" of the extremely accurate engineering of the HB makes me cringe for these two! Blatant advert IMO..FYI i like them both about equal!
