The Queen Mother Explains the Hereditary Principle | The Crown (Helena Bonham Carter, Marion Bailey)

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Princess Margaret (Helena Bonham Carter) speaks to her mother about the five family members locked away in a mental institution. Queen Mother (Marion Bailey) said they had no choice and explained the hereditary principle behind it.
From Season 4, Episode 7: The Hereditary Principle
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The Crown is based on Queen Elizabeth II as a young newlywed faced with leading the world's most famous monarchy while forging a relationship with legendary Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill. The British Empire is in decline, and the political world is in disarray, but a new era is dawning. Peter Morgan's masterfully researched scripts reveal the Queen's private journey behind the public façade with daring frankness. Prepare to see into the coveted world of power and privilege behind the locked doors of Westminster and Buckingham Palace.
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@TexasT2009 Месяц назад

I like that the series played into Margaret’s more empathetic side. She was a very capricious person, mostly because of depression and the resulting addiction issues. But she was also known for being very loyal to her circle, and actively visited the AIDS ward where Lady Anne Glenconner’s son was living out his last days. This was before Diana, and long before AIDS advocacy lost its polarization among people of her class and station.

@tatata1543 3 дня назад

She is remembered as a thoroughly nasty , bitter woman.

@CanImperator Месяц назад

It's interesting how, in shows or movies that portray the royals, it's always the ones who marry into the family that seem to have the highest opinions about it, not the ones born into it.

@vishtandel9734 Месяц назад

Agreed, the only exception being Princess Diana

@MTknitter22 Месяц назад

Umm..true but those burn into is an almost genetic arrogance that is pretty scary.

@infantebenji Месяц назад

@@MTknitter22 exactly queen Mary obsession with royal blood was a sign go her insecurity about being minor royal along being descended from morganatic marriage .

@Ashbrash1998 Месяц назад

Gets a little complicated when the ones who marry into it are in fact royals and relatives.

@yanina.korolko Месяц назад

actually… it mimics real life of those individuals who enter families from a higher social/financial status than their own. It is only human for a person to be looking up the hill, hoping to find something clean and extra ordinary… But from the top of the hill, you can see all😂

@Slowlythinking Месяц назад

Yet another example of: "The Crown must win. Must. Always. Win."; especially given the mindset of postvictorian era in which "rationality" and "strenght" were so highly valued and interpreted as a sign of good.

@lsmith9249 Месяц назад

you're listening to fiction written by an anti monarchist that's based on rubbish our Queen Mother's widowed sister in law had Nerissa and Kathryn sectioned the Queen Mother could not over rule a parent our press have more and more desperate for sales, because their circulations dropping further and further

@hismajestysirkart0she4ka2nd Месяц назад

What's wrong with rationality? It's a much better survival strategy for the inherently absurd institution of monarchy than excessive emotionality, that's for sure

@Ashbrash1998 Месяц назад

@@hismajestysirkart0she4ka2ndIt has it downsides just like the other does. The situation at Aberfan and Diana's death showed that being seen as inhuman and without emotions make you seem abnormal. There is a point about being in control of your emotions, but Royalty survives on a blend of rationality and emotion. They use the emotion for their PR

@hismajestysirkart0she4ka2nd Месяц назад

@@Ashbrash1998 A monarchy is unlikely to survive on emotions and beliefs of the individual royals (who are flawed and likely to be controversial), but rather on the strength of the tradition, the support of those elements of society who favor the status quo, a good public image, adaptability and neutrality. If members of the royal family began to express their emotions, it would likely simply expose their privileged, out-of-touch nature to the public.

@gayan2517 Месяц назад

It's a scam. Milking idiots for a living for centuries. 😁

@The_Fubar Месяц назад

Funny how Helena Bonham Carter played queen mother in King's Speach

@lindaborgert589 Месяц назад

Yes. She was excellent in The King’s Speech!

@denobeesun Месяц назад

And Olivia Coleman played her in Hyde Park on Hudson

@tavaresdeleon415 Месяц назад

She's her own mother!!!

@chrisa.k.1531 Месяц назад

Funny, she also played a murderous fanatic obsessed with blood purity under her dark lord but in this scene she’s appalled 😅

@helenogbonna3361 Месяц назад

My favorite role of her is the queen of hearts

@licmir3663 Месяц назад

I had a granduncle and grandaunt who were institutionalized in the 1930s and spent the rest of their lives there (until the 1970s). Their parents never visited them. The family did not talk openly about them. It’s as if they didn’t exist. And my family is from Brazil. I’m astonished that people act surprised about what happened in this episode. Pretending not to have disabled relatives and hiding them were the NORM back then for everyone, not just royalty.

@DominicNJ73 Месяц назад

You're so right, people seem to forget that it was common to institutionalize family members with mental problems. It wasn't a class issue as rich and poor both did it. I have an uncle who was put into an institution in the 1940s and neither my dad or his siblings ever spoke about him, when he died his last two surviving brothers went to the institution to sign some papers and they told the hospital to just bury him on their grounds, they wouldn't even give him the dignity of a funeral.

@zacmumblethunder7466 Месяц назад

My uncle was shell-shocked in the Second World War. My father never once spoke of his brother. When my uncle died, I found out that only one of his four siblings had visited him. When that uncle moved out of the area, he found a home for his brother close by so that he wouldn't be alone. It's the reason why I hate people saying they were "shell-shocked" when they are mildly surprised. It's a vile condition, a type of PTSD.

@OnLifeandLove Месяц назад

@@zacmumblethunder7466 PTSD is the modern and more encompassing term of shell shock. The illness wasn't studied until WWI.

@zacmumblethunder7466 Месяц назад

@OnLifeandLove Shell-shock is a type of what we now call PTSD, but had specific symptoms that don't apply to all types of PTSD. Sort of like the different types of cancer, they're all cancer but they have different causes and effects. The films of Shell-shock sufferers show a lot of physical effects that are unique to the condition. Apparently there's speculation among medical historians that it was a result physical damage to the brain caused by vibration from being exposed to a continual explosive bombardment. As such, it appears to be mainly an historic condition as the nature of warfare is different now. I'm not medical, so I hope I've made sense here.

@PauloVictorAlves1920 Месяц назад

Não imaginava que esse tipo de coisa acontecesse no Brasil...

@outinsider Месяц назад

As a disabled person, this episode really does stick in my ribs. It reminds me that we are only just a century from putting disabled people into aslyums, and why we put them there. We still have the language, and we pretend to be more humane, but we really aren't as advanced as we could be.

@MTknitter22 Месяц назад

…not just “we” because we are talking about the BRF here. They have not changed.

@outinsider Месяц назад

@@MTknitter22 True. Otherwise they would treat their current sufferers of environmental induced mental health issues better.

@williamboo9017 Месяц назад

Don’t forget this was a work of fiction. And still, it was at least 45 years ago when it took place. Probably before the Willowbrook scandal in New York for example

@outinsider Месяц назад

@@williamboo9017 I am well aware this is a fiction, most speculative historical drama is. But, the history behind the drama is real- that the British Royal Family stashed away its disabled relatives due to some mythology about pure bloodlines and isolates people who are different from them for the same reasons.

@justianowski Месяц назад

As a disabled person myself also, I don't like the idea of disabilities (namely birth defects) normalized and spread. Look at the TLC show, "Little people, big world". More than one person in the family suffers from dwarfism and have a billion medical problems. And yet, they act as though it's *no big deal*. They even want *more* kids with dwarfism in the family! Those are the people we should be ashamed of. Not people who accidentally have a disabled baby every once in a while.

@VenusEvan_1885 Месяц назад

"that man your perfidious uncle" not even mentioning his name, she really hated Edward VIII.

@AnnaBellaChannel Месяц назад

With good reason in the end.

@zacmumblethunder7466 Месяц назад

She always blamed him for her husband's early death. He had always been a smoker, but became a heavy smoker because of the stress.

@ReaverLordTonus Месяц назад

I'm not even British or was even alive when he was around and I hate him.

@carson11100 Месяц назад

@@zacmumblethunder7466unless Edward personally shoved every smoke into Bertie’s mouth I’d say it’s his own fault for not seeking healthier means to cope with stress….

@jokerz7936 Месяц назад

@@carson11100 Dude it was 1930's to 1950's everyone smoked there was a smoking room in the Hindenburg a ship filled with Hydrogen. Hell even in the 80's you could smoke in Schools, Hospitals, Planes, I have a McDonald's Ashtray my grandpa knicked I don't smoke but keep it as a collectable. It was a different time.

@thomasplinguidy4588 Месяц назад

The Bowes-Lyons' behaviour was appalling. But you have to remember that Elizabeth the mother was probably not so much concerned about some blood purity as she was about her husband and her daughters. It depends on the time. If it had come out in the 1930s that there was mental illness in the Bowes-Lyon family when Edward VIII abdicated, Prince Albert, aka George VI, would probably never have become king, and his daughter Elizabeth would never have become crown princess or queen. Too many people would have remembered that the youngest of the royal brothers, John, was also mentally handicapped and held unter lock and key. The government and half the House of Lords would probably have said that George's daughters, Elizabeth and Margaret, had hereditary problems on both sides and therefore could not be considered as crown princess or heir to the throne.

@MsJubjubbird Месяц назад

EBL was also old enough to have seen revolution and the overthrowing of royal families, including the Romanovs. She would have been extra wary.

@jamesharrison3045 Месяц назад

As if the House of Lords wasn’t already filled with imbeciles (and the RF). So interbred.

@Chuck0856 Месяц назад

Elizabeth was never Crown Princess since that title does not exist in the British Royal Family. She was Heiress presumptive.

@zacmumblethunder7466 Месяц назад

Appalling behaviour by our standards. Unfortunately commonplace for the time. Through all stratas of society, mental illness was seen as shameful. Families with money were told by doctors to put their children into sanitoriums and forget about them. Families without money were told to put their children into asylums, that is if they weren't simply taken away by the authorities. Up to the sixties, people could find themselves in asylums or "mental homes" as they became known for ludicrous reasons. Unmarried mothers, deaf children, anyone who had a panic attack in front of a doctor or other figure of authority. The children with learning difficulties of the upper classes were actually better looked after than those from the "lower" classes as their parents could afford to ease their guilt.

@boybawang1981 Месяц назад

That's what incest does...

@buddhidev7877 Месяц назад

Prince John was finally mentioned

@HerpaDerp999 Месяц назад

Im so glad my cousin, whose quite mentally disabled, was wanted from the moment he was born. Fucking drunk doctor kept pulling on his head when the cord was very wrapped around it and deprived him of oxygen and did the damage. He is one of the most loving people youd ever meet, and his whole livelihood was robbed from him. Love him with all my heart.

@lordalessan Месяц назад

They are saints compared to the Kennedys, we all know how Rosemary Kennedy was treated. Thank God her siblings cared for her.

@ladyv5655 Месяц назад

Even before Edward VIII abdicated, he alienated his mother, Queen Mary, by his callous disregard of his youngest brother, Prince John. When John passed away at age 13, Edward wrote a letter to his mistress du jour describing John as an "animal" and his death was a real shame because it would spoil all the parties celebrating the end of the war (WW1). After John's death, he also wrote a letter to his mother, expressing those same horrid sentiments. Nobody has ever seen that letter, probably because his mother destroyed it in her grief and anger, but she replied to him in letter that tore him a new one, and then he had the reply to her letter, groveling and begging for her forgiveness. Edward was a real pos and I think it also displeased his parents that his mistresses were all exclusively married to other men.

@thefairychild Месяц назад

@@ladyv5655 Well, historically kings would want their mistresses to already be married so that any pregnancies could be foisted off on the husband and they wouldn't have to be responsible for them. The husbands usually knew better (most likely had stopped sleeping with their wives once they became official mistresses) and were compensated for the illegitimate children. Edward was just planning ahead! ;)

@Ifailedeverything 8 дней назад

Poor Rosemary. She did not deserve what happened to her.

@ladyv5655 8 дней назад

@@thefairychild , true, but my issue is more about his monstrous disregard for the death of his sick brother and his cold cruelty in expressing those feelings to his grieving mother.

@maureensawatzki7917 7 дней назад

@@IfailedeverythingJoe Sr was a horrible person. 😢

@YaYa-ke1zr Месяц назад

It’s terrible but rather common of that class and generation.. She mentioned Prince John (and there were others) who was hidden away but not institutionalized because he was royal. The Queen Mother knew that her blood line would be scrutinized as the non royal line and she probably didn’t want to be blamed for any unstableness in future generations. The closest situation in America was Rosemary Kennedy, who was hidden away from her own siblings and mother until her fathers stroke. It wasn’t until after his stroke that the family found out where she was taken to and started visiting her.

@Marist_Chanel 27 дней назад

I realise the only reason I love this clip so much is because of Marion Bailey’s voice and accent. I’d love to hear her read audiobooks, especially a nice English murder mystery in the countryside.

@Rebecca-oh5yh Месяц назад

This episode annoyed me. It ignores the fact that, unfortunately, it was incredibly common for people to institutionalize children born with disabilities. I remember reading excerpts from a book about Chris Burke, a TV actor in the 90's with Down Syndrome. When he was born, the doctors told his parents that he was a "mongoloid," that he would probably never learn to talk, and that they recommended that they put him in an institution. I'm not saying that it was right. I'm saying that the royal family's actions were part of a larger systemic problem with how the society treated people with disabilities.

@davidozersky412 Месяц назад

They didn't just institutionalize them they declared them dead. Whlist these richest most pampered people in the world loaf about in their castles and accepting awards for doing nothing; they left these disabled children in a state run public institution and never visited them or spent any money on them. It wasn't just one child it was five children. They talk of setting an example and nobility but it's all horse-shit. They also hid King Edwards high treason from the public. They are not honest with the public and do not deserve the crown!

@JamesMcCown-yf3qf Месяц назад

They used to call Down’s Syndrome babies "mongoloids" -- now they avoid all of this nomenclature fussiness by simply killing them.

@delphinec9307 Месяц назад

Well, the question is not institutionalizing them (if it was in good place, which seems not sure). The question is storytelling that they were dead and hiding them from the world and NEVER visiting them. And you are right that even if the movie gives the impression that the queen try to justify the issue to the entire world, the story is that she is just explaining the fact to her daughter considering the life of their cousins and being shocked, perhaps being more modern and informed that the average people at that time.

@AnnaBellaChannel Месяц назад

@@delphinec9307 They were visited by the Bowes-Lyon side of the family. Their mother visited regularly until she became too old to go and when anyone else form the family tried to visit them they did not know who they were because they only had a family relationship with their parents and other cousin with in the hospital. The family continued to pay the yearly check for their care. The other family members could not visit them because the all 5 of cousins literally did not know who or what family member was visiting them. They only knew of the Royal Family because they were the children of the Queen Mother's Brother John. The cousins did not know anyone beside the there other cousins within the hospital and each other parent's generation. They had spend no time with anyone else within the family due to being sent to the hospital. Sources from within the family, however, report that their mother Fenella often visited the two sisters until her death in 1966; Lady Elizabeth Shakerley, Fenella's granddaughter, also said other members of the family had often visited over the years and had often sent gifts and cards on Christmas and birthdays. Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, upon discovering that her nieces were alive in 1982, sent money for toys and sweets on their birthdays and at Christmas.

@josephcummings2892 Месяц назад

Fully agree....could they not have treated them in some human way while they lived in luxury??? I think the entire lot of the royal family should be dissolved......what a worthless lot@@delphinec9307 fully

@xyinterrupted Месяц назад

Thank you so much! I've wanted to see this scene on youtube for so long👑❤️

@seanliamgo Месяц назад

Can I just point out that I highly doubt the queen mother in real life saw herself and her family as just minor Scottish aristocrats. In fact, the Bowes-Lyons were much more established and much wealthier than the Windsors (who some even considered more German than British, hence their name-change). While members of the nobility definitely respect the monarchy as an institution, they most likely see the royal family as simply their peers. That’s why she rejected Prince Albert’s proposal twice before finally saying yes.

@Icemint101 Месяц назад

Partly because she was hanging on for the older brother.

@feyrol42 Месяц назад

@@Icemint101ah, that explains the extra bitterness lol

@davidboult4143 Месяц назад

When a Scottish aristocrat, Alice Montague Douglas Scott, announced she intended to marry a Prince, the son of King George V, her father exclaimed, "My dear, you have married beneath you!"

@kincaidwolf5184 Месяц назад

Bowes-Lyons isn't a German name, though. Though ancient Scottish nobles absolutely knew their place in society and considered themselves at the top of the nobility. Much of the Scottish culture was actually created and maintained by the Scottish nobility. The Germans were always seen as temporary outsiders that were needed to secure a Protestant heir from the Scottish Stuarts.

@seanliamgo Месяц назад

@@kincaidwolf5184 Huh? I never said the Bowes-Lyons were German. I was referring to the [newly named] Windsors.

@joshuakampamba9061 Месяц назад

What the Queen mon explained filled me with dread🥺

@MTknitter22 Месяц назад

Yes sickening.

@randomnimity507 Месяц назад

It’s evil incarnate, in a way that is uniquely human.

@xthefordx Месяц назад

It does but it made sense for the times. Also, the royal family unfortunately were not the only ones that did this to loved ones. Many families would do the same for the simple ignorance of the matter and prejudice. I mean, JFK had his own sister Rosemary as an example as well. The mindset that everything "wrong" and "unsual" could be explained with "curses" and "witchcraft" was not far behind, unfortunately.

@Vik_fel Месяц назад

We must remember that those were sensitive times, WW1 saw the abolishment of many monarchies, some by extreme brutality, as was with the Romanovs. The british royal family certainly did not want to give the public a reason for their own downfall.

@a.m.hofmeister725 29 дней назад

@@Vik_felironically enough, they just added another reason for the abolishment of the monarchy to the list

@Caleb17-ym6pq Месяц назад

That 'purity' is what caused the illnesses and disability.

@SapphireZeev36 Месяц назад

Ironic. Blood purity and she’s saying it to Carter who played Bellatrix

@joewu294 Месяц назад

I KNOW RIGHT!

@irawilliams343 Месяц назад

Even after he died, Queen Mother Elizabeth still held such a grudge on Edward VIII that she doesn't want to mention his name.

@andreskow7890 Месяц назад

You mean VIII

@irawilliams343 Месяц назад

@@andreskow7890 thanks for the correction.

@Chuck0856 Месяц назад

The fact is that Margarat would not have needed that lecture. The Crown made habit of inventing things for dramatic effect.

@acg1571 Месяц назад

almost as if it was a drama series instead of a documentary

@michaelsweeney5559 Месяц назад

Yes that was how it was back then with most families. Anyone's prospects of marriage were diminished if they had a member of the family who was mentally of physically disabled. It was thought by society at the time that asylums were best for all concerned and effective treatments and medications were in reality non existent. They only barbaric forms of treatment. Still not perfect today but we have come a long way and we should remember what people through no fault of their own suffered.

@Westminstrelsy Месяц назад

This is the worst directed scene. The actress playing the Queen Mother is such an amazing talent, and for most of this scene, the camera shows us the back of her head WHILE SHE IS SPEAKING! 🤯 It always irritates me because her delivery and expressions are among the best of all the actors on this show.

@flyboy152 26 дней назад

I think it was shot perfectly. They wanted to focus on Margaret’s reaction to what her mother was saying.

@nestorperez6867 Месяц назад

How ridiculous monarchy and hereditary privileges are is perfectly explained here.

@monmothma3358 12 дней назад

Exactly. I loved the Crown, but it didn't make me any less of an anti-monarchist, quite the opposite.

@JimMac23 23 дня назад

They sure got a good actress to play the mean old cow.

@shannonVwalker Месяц назад

Not to mention that Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth II are both related to Prince Albert and Queen Victoria.

@useridgaf-p6b Месяц назад

His mother was nuts too

@shannonVwalker Месяц назад

@@useridgaf-p6b Alice had a reason to be nuts poor woman she was tortured. But helped people later. R.I.P Alice 🌹

@useridgaf-p6b Месяц назад

@@shannonVwalker I didn't mean it in a derogatory way. I meant the family has had mental issues on all sides of the family. Yes, I am not up on how the Queen really felt about her, but I do think it was the normal daughter and mother in law relationship.

@silentjer953 20 дней назад

@@shannonVwalker she was tortured for being nuts. she developed some kind of sexual fantasy of having intimate relationship with Jesus.. that was why she was sent to the mental asylum.. but in her later years, she became a remarkable person..

@anikethchakraborty3238 13 дней назад

no she was not She had PTSD@@useridgaf-p6b

@Claude1066 Месяц назад

They could have paid for them in a better class of home and decent burials.

@lindaborgert589 Месяц назад

I agree!

@taymur0804 Месяц назад

Indeed, apparently, when one of the sisters died, their only grave maker was their identification number without any names

@ellenseltz4548 Месяц назад

They could have, but they didn't want to risk the money / paperwork trail.

@MTknitter22 Месяц назад

Yes which makes them look even worse.

@raphaelledesma9393 Месяц назад

I'm unsure what was a better class of home for the time. Their psychiatric facility looks clean and well-maintained and the staff were attentive. The only cruelty (which actually is one) is that they weren't acknowledged or visited by the royal family they were closely related to.

@theb0sie Месяц назад

the bowes-lyons were not “minor” aristocrats lol, they more ancient and illustrious than even the spencers. the queen mother knew exactly what heredity meant

@barrellracer Месяц назад

I've enjoyed watching HBC from portraying a junkie doctor on Miami Vice to Lady Jane (my ABSOLUTE favorite)❤❤❤

@KNPrince 6 часов назад

"What do you mean?" "I mean... You foolish girl... Foolish, willful little girl... But.. after all.. We are the Queen! The look on HBC's face when her mother the Duchess of Suffolk said that to her while she was sitting on the throne... Spoke volumes...

@nogedoge Месяц назад

What I found fascinating about this scene is the idea they are self-aware in how absurd the notion is that genetics alone determine royalty.

@ladyrohan80 Месяц назад

‘They’ are not expressing any such thinking at all, as the scene and dialogue is pure fiction invented to fit an episode about the Bowes-Lyon cousins. However, the creator of the show is making his own published anti-monarchist views clear with dialogue such as this one, which, while I’m sure is entertaining to watch, would never have been phrased in any such way by the late Queen Mother. The thinking of the time in society in general was to keep private things which we today think we have an automatic right to know of, in this case not necessarily for fear of the monarchy itself, but for simply not knowing better, as it was with most such things back in the day.

@bellepierre24 Месяц назад

She played the Queen (consort), the wife of the then King George VI, long before her daughter ascended to the throne hence making her the "queen mother". Same person at different times in life in different positions.

@monmothma3358 12 дней назад

Yes, but in this point in time she's the Queen Mother? And she doesn't say she became QM when she became the Queen, does she?

@smacwhinnie Месяц назад

The mental illness was not in the Bowes-Lyon family but from the wife of the Queen Mother’s brother

@glenncheatham1320 Месяц назад

This was a great scene.

@Andrew-lm2xt Месяц назад

the proud daughter of an earl would never call her family "minor Scottish aristocrats"

@AnnaBellaChannel Месяц назад

They were minor Scottish aristocrats to the English aristocrats at the time.

@reneedaughter Месяц назад

@AnnaBellaChannel yes and tge Queen mother's legitimacy was questionable- according to a number of books written on her life over the years.

@mellowenglishgal Месяц назад

She talks about Prince John - he was epileptic.

@d.j.schneider1528 Месяц назад

He was also likely on the autism spectrum

@roberthancox Месяц назад

Just shows the ignorance of the people who make this programme. Or the deliberate twisting of facts to fit an anti monarchy agenda

@gayan2517 Месяц назад

And Charles...

@maryanntoner4520 Месяц назад

Some historians have speculated that he was on the autism spectrum, which sometimes led to uncontrolled outbursts. Not that it makes shutting him away from the public any better. 😢 (Btw, I highly recommend the film, _The Lost Prince_, which tells Prince John’s story in greater detail.)

@AnnaBellaChannel Месяц назад

Prince John was also had his own working farm to run and a garden to upkeep. He also had lots of delicate local children who were also sent to the countryside for better air to improve their health to play with, go to the sweet shop, eat the sweets while resting on cushions. After looking after his farm and doing his art.

@kathleenjones8092 Месяц назад

Its not a documentary, people!

@roberthancox Месяц назад

Exactly . it is anti monarchy propaganda. Why not just create a fictitious royal family if they wanted to create a 'drama'

@gayan2517 Месяц назад

Yes. Otherwise how did Charles not made the list.

@delphinec9307 Месяц назад

Of course not, but if the reactions and emotions are fictional, the facts are true and I consider highly possible that the motivation of hiding these disabled people was really the one given by Queen mother in this line.

@Shane-zx4ps 8 дней назад

I’m Irish ☘️ and I really enjoyed the whole series of the the crown, I must say you brits are a mad race of people as In honouring as if they are Gods.

@ethelryan257 Месяц назад

I don't blame the Queen Mum for being furious with Edward VIII. He forced her husband to become King, she to become Queen and her first born to become Regent after her husband's death. None of this was what she or her husband wanted or were raised to expect. That they rose to the occasion is impressive and ERII did a much better job than she was given credit for. No sane person 'wants' to be ruler.

@julianskinner3697 Месяц назад

No sane nation keeps a monarchy

@xthefordx Месяц назад

We have to consider the times as well. Is the principle right? Not at all. But it makes sense in a time where barely anything was known about mental illnesses. The Queen Mother has also gone through the death and persecution of royal families like the Ramanovs to be scared of what might happen to hers. And even if you don't like it, the truth was she was right. The Royals were not the only ones in the wrong, the people would burn them to hell and have those questions if they found out. They would be ruthless. It's a matter of the time and ignorance, we can even see it by the cousins' professional "diagnosis". And there is a point - if there is only one family that has the birthright to rule entire kingdoms, they better be 100% perfect by blood. It is horrible but unfortunately makes sense. Like The Queen Mother said: everything changed overnight and the cousins paid a terrible price for it.

@catsupchutney 10 дней назад

This was a very common early 20th century perspective on eugenics.

@jeffjames4064 Месяц назад

I'd watch the movie for this scene alone.

@patricknoland7402 Месяц назад

This scene alone, in and of itself, is a glaring, undeniable justification for the absolute abolishment and eradication of this ridiculous monarchy system .

@jzer21 Месяц назад

Well, the same thing happened to the Kennedys in America, so are you also for the absolute eradication of the American presidency?

@roberthancox Месяц назад

It's fiction you numpty

@JoanMorrison-vq2jc Месяц назад

@@roberthancox Sir, please don't use that word - most of us know it means stupid! STOP!! You seem to be obsessed with this word - I've come across your post before. This is not very nice of you and it doesn't say much about you as a person.

@jodiuhron1979 Месяц назад

The irony of her saying that the family better have a 100% pure bloodline is really ironic considering how the mental and physical health of many monarchs and their children ended up due to generations of consanguine marriages and procreation among royal families across Europe (ie. inbreeding). She was right though… the Windsors (fka House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha and Hanover before that) already had a history of bloodline issues with King George III’s mental illness episodes and all the way down to the Tsarevich Alexei of Russia’s hemophilia… Royal bloodlines were already questionable in their purity. Thank God the present day royals allow marriage to commoners now to branch out the family tree!

@ross-smithfamily6317 28 дней назад

Margaret absolutely understood the principles involved as well as any other senior member of the monarchy. She had no reason to be schooled ... it's for the benefit of the audience.

@LaKellita1 Месяц назад

Not to mention that Princess Margaret herself had questionable sanity.

@lex1eleven Месяц назад

I had to google the word perfidious lol

@ellacrowley1066 14 дней назад

Prince John 😢

@eudianinha Месяц назад

¡Hola, buenas tardes! 🌤️

@corydestein3160 Месяц назад

I doubt she would’ve had any control at all even if she wanted to prevent it. The Crown in the 1920s would’ve never tolerated having them tied to the Royal Family. Margaret didn’t have the power to marry without being outted and the Queen Mother wouldn’t have had pull in this matter. The Crown must win. Must always win

@nicholasprakash3411 Месяц назад

Missing context: Is she saying Elizabeth should or shouldn't marry Phillip. Thank god they've at least tried to out marry now. (Diana, Sarah, Kate, Megan)

@AnnaBellaChannel Месяц назад

Lady Diana and Sarah are fourth cousins. The Royal family need their blood links to the Modern English Nobles which the British Royal Family had lost due to most of the English nobility being Roman Catholic and the Royal Family being Church of England.

@nicholasprakash3411 Месяц назад

@AnnaBellaChannel Some. C.o.E is still the largest denomination in the UK, I think. They also can't marry into the Scandinavian, Dutch, and Protestant German royal families because they're too closely related. Too high levels of inbreeding can create genetic problems like Prince John, who died at a young age.

@AnnaBellaChannel Месяц назад

@@nicholasprakash3411 The Church of England's Worshipping Community in 2021 was about 1.7% of the population of England. It is very small.

@angelofick3784 Месяц назад

Explication for the audience as dialogue . . .

@lces43 Месяц назад

OMG…..UNNNNN TENABLE!!!

@TJD63 Месяц назад

Once the crown goes, they lose their meal ticket. A big deal

@uttum87 8 дней назад

Not at all. They are all independentally wealthy, and can walk off and have private lives with little, or no, scrutiny.

@James-eh6mg Месяц назад

A ridiculous scene that evidences the absurdity of Peter Morgan's mind - how he has got away with it without any scrutiny is the true mystery of our time

@ftwi1 Месяц назад

Old people oh old people 😢

@Victrola66 Месяц назад

So what, even if it had gotten out, George could have been asked to hand over the throne to the next brother. It is not as if there was no one in the line. Perhaps they just wanted to hang on to the crown and fancy titles.

@kagolekoba Месяц назад

She forgot the Hapsburgs

@mukunimulundika5359 Месяц назад

Well that explains a lot of some of the behaviour we see today.

@giorgioroyaume8815 Месяц назад

🙄Capisco che tutto ciò fu fatto per causa di forza maggiore, ma rinchiuderle non faceva sì che il pericolo si estinguesse. Il pericolo per il futuro rimaneva

@joshuamorgan4984 Месяц назад

I love “imbecility” and “idiocy.”

@justinanthony0890 25 дней назад

Did the Queen Mother really blame every problem in her life on the bloody abdication?

@Enzorgullochapin 9 дней назад

* "No gods, no masters" *

@us-Bahn 8 дней назад

I have no royal lineage at all and I’m a complete imbecile. Living happily.

@RDLeon4 Месяц назад

As if the queen wouldn’t know this

@Maru-vs9kb Месяц назад

This is actually the problem with EVERY nuclear family.

@WayToDawn72 Месяц назад

I still get a kick that Helena Bohem Carter of all people has a scene where the importance of blood purity is emphasized 🤣

@karldelavigne8134 Месяц назад

This is a very contrived bit of over-explanatory dialogue in an episode that plays very fast and loose with the facts.

@VideoAmericanStyle Месяц назад

Yeah, the scene suffers from very clunky exposition - it bothers me when it is written is such a way that is so unlike a natural conservation between a mother and daughter.

@twobearshomestead Месяц назад

While this is fiction, the point is not wrong. The fiction is rooted in truth. This is one of the main reasons Charles was to marry Diana: She was far enough removed from Monarchy bloodline, but not TOO far - she still has the bloodlines of most of the royal houses within her. The result is William and Harry are THE most blue blooded Princes in History. THEY are decedents of EVERY single royal house since 1066. When William met Catherine, this was allowed to happen for two reasons. First, she is almost 100% English, thus further removing the German Line further out. Secondly, Catherine DOES have some noble hereditary ancestors, but is unrelated to William. This infuses the Winsor line with Fresh 'blood' and helps push out the hemophilia, and the hereditary mental illness that plagues the line. It's alll fascinating.

@hi.goodbye2167 20 дней назад

Why does the thumbnail make the Queen mother look like a mafia boss evil woman from gta5?😭

@selmahare 7 дней назад

Because apparently that’s exactly what she was. Earth to you!?

@antmagor Месяц назад

The queen mother: can you imagine what the headlines would been if it were to get out. Me: yes it would’ve read, “queen mother beacon of Hope during World War II, imposes cruel hardship on disabled relatives to preserve outdated principles.” The body of the story would go onto to read, “despite all the rumored disgust of her Nazi brother-in-law, it would seem that the queen mother and the late duke of Windsor shared a common belief in eugenics. The imposed poverty, exile, and lack of add to quit care for her cousins has continued to this day, all in the preservation of the so-called values of an era happily retired and forgotten. And wile the queen mother may have preserved the appearance of so-called purity in her bloodline. She certainly has shown a lack of purity of heart. The embarrassment this cruelty brings upon her majesty and the nation as a whole should renew the existential question of whether Britain needs the monarchy, or does the monarchy need Britain.”

@MsJubjubbird Месяц назад

Different values then. The papers would not be so sympathetic to people with a disability in the 70s or 80s. They would ridicule the family for it. She was a product of her times.

@seanliamgo Месяц назад

It also wasn’t her own personal doing. She simply adhered to what her brother and her side of the family decided to do. It wasn’t her decision at all.

@antmagor Месяц назад

@@MsJubjubbird I disagree. It was the mid 80s, not 1920. Also Diana and others at that time we’re ushering in a new era with regards to sympathy for those who were different. And wild people had their attitudes towards down syndrome and other disabilities, they were more empathetic to that than they were to anyone who contracted aids. Not that empathy should be a contest.

@MsJubjubbird Месяц назад

@@antmagor the 90s and 00swas more when this stuff really came about. Also it's much harder for people to change their values when they have been enforced and reinforced for six decades

@vanindallas Месяц назад

The Queen Mother??? What does she have to do with it? They weren't her children. She didn't have them committed. That was their parents.

@wtfa2910 Месяц назад

1k your welcome

@realistic.optimist Месяц назад

Elizabeth would have been Queen as the DoW had not children.

@jdstep97 Месяц назад

A "relatively normal life" as freakin' Duchess of York. Wow! People really have different perspectives.

@Pigstarpatch Месяц назад

It’s a lot less pressure and being allowed to do more of what they want and how they want than being the King and Queen or the heir to the throne is what she was talking about. Like Harry said about Charles and William being trapped. They had to be the monarch and have no choice.

@AndNowLadiesandGents Месяц назад

...madness runs in the family..the so called normal ones where/are the worst

@tajmulhall Месяц назад

What are the Boles cousins related to Camilla Parker?

@here_we_go_again2571 Месяц назад

The Bowles-Lyon family are Scottish nobles. The family is related to Camilla's first husband, (Sir) Andrew Parker Bowles, OBE (b. 1939) I am not sure how closely the Parker- Bowles are related to the Queen Mum's branch of the Bowles-Lyon family . Hmm ...Guess I'll have to try to figure that out. The Bowles are a Catholic family with a long history (several generations) of serving in the British military. Andrew played polo with King Charles III. When he was young he took part in the 1969 Grand National (steeple chase) as an amateur jockey (came in 11th place -- Not bad against professional jockeys) He also won several other steeple chases. Andrew is about 8 years older than Camilla Shand (b.1947) [BTW: Camilla's father is a WW2 hero.} Camilla's father and Andrew's father were very good friends and set up the marriage match between Andrew and Camilla. Anyhow, Camilla and Andrew had two lovely children. It's too bad the marriage didn't work out.

@tajmulhall Месяц назад

@@here_we_go_again2571 thank you

@brasschick4214 Месяц назад

I do think they are not related as the Queen mother. Her family name was Bowes-Lyon and Camilla’s former husband was Andrew Parker-Bowles. Different spelling.

@here_we_go_again2571 Месяц назад

@@brasschick4214 You are right, different spelling.

@here_we_go_again2571 Месяц назад

@@tajmulhall I was wrong -- Different spelling Queen Mum = Bowes-Lyon vs. Andrew Parker Bowles *Hat tip* *to "brasschick4214"*

@vodkagal28 Месяц назад

so, what would've happened if King Edward never abdicated, and Wallis ended up pregnant? They would've had to let them get married,right?

@sithlordofoz Месяц назад

Probably not - wouldn't have been the first king of England to have a bastard child.

@ellenseltz4548 Месяц назад

She was 41 and had never had children with her 2 prior husbands. Edward had had mumps as a child. It is possible they were both infertile, since they never did have children together.

@here_we_go_again2571 Месяц назад

@ vodkagal28 Not that crowd; most of them had abortions. Edward VIII traveled with a fast crowd. There is no proof that Edward VIII (Duke of Windsor) ever had a child with any one of his many mistresses and he had a lot of them long before Wallis. Wallis did not have children with either of her first two husbands. Or any of her many lovers, for that matter. However, it is possible that The Duke of Windsor's grandfather, Edward VII had illegitimate children. Some say that his mistress Alice Keppel (Camilla Shand's great-grandmother) had two daughters (her only children) by men other than her husband. Some say that Camilla's grandmother was Edward VII's child. And that is one of the reasons that he was so generous to Alice Keppel. (Edward VII left her a very rich woman with a very nice house and a jewel collection.)

@xthefordx Месяц назад

She most likely would not have children as she had been married before and was older but if they did, I reckon Edward would still abdicate or the child might be considered a bastard like many did.

@RaymondHng Месяц назад

Any child of a monarch that was born out of wedlock is ineligible for the line of succession.

@ellhyg3532 Месяц назад

I love the crown, but in no season did they make the queen mother as grand as she was.

@stevenbrrtt Месяц назад

Let's lighten up a little. It makes no difference if the Windsors had royal blood or that of a "commoners'" -- blood is always thicker than anything else, and anything else especially means wealth, what side of the track you come from, what your family's contribution to politics, business or religion and academia for that matter, and it's thicker than water which sustains us all, regardless of what's listed above. The Queen Mother was being protective in the best way she knew how to be in that given point in time. People didn't talk about the retarded kin or relative whose brain might've been so seriously damaged from riding in a car, on a bike or train. It was a "tragic shame" they couldn't occupy their appointed place at the dinner table, so to speak, and little was said as to why and this was done in respect to the person affected by retardation or a serious accident causing brain injury or something simple as a stroke. I've survived three of them, and the last was the biggest. I know at the age of 72 that my kids are more sensitive to what might happen or I might do as a result of my stroke and increasing age. But there's one thing to keep in mind, what QM Elizabeth was also teaching Margaret is that only one of the most wretched kings in British History with a history of mental illness, was none other than her traitorous uncle King Edward who abcicated his throne for a Nazi sympathizing American twice divorced woman who didn't even love him in return. Yes, she was touchy, as the Queen Mother had every right to be. We all have our sins, family ghosts and legends from the past that we've been taught to ignore or shake off as politely as possible. They are still our blood or married to our immediate blood relatives and thusly family. There are fewer incredibly dumber ways to bring more havoc and preying eyes upon your family's activities and reputation than to mistreat a relative who may truly not be able to control his or her urges or emotions. It'll always come back to bite the people so keen on maintaining "control" even at all costs.

@AnneofCleves-jw4ru 22 дня назад

And now they have Harry.

@kevinlongman007 9 дней назад

I am sure that Princess Margaret was more than aware of the hereditary principle but that still does not make it right.

@caciliawhy5195 10 дней назад

Margaret got it as did Harry.

@Duricas Месяц назад

Am I watching Harry Potter? All this tal k about _purity..._

@YWNBARW2 Месяц назад

Everyone in this comment section is being purposely obtuse. Yes the fact that someone might carry a genetic disorder matters when their children are set to inherent the burden of the crown. Her mention of purity is entirely in this context.

@AnnaBellaChannel Месяц назад

Three mentally disabled cousins of the queen's cousins also lived in Earlswood Hospital. Harriet Hepburn-Stuart-Forbes-Trefusis (1887-1958), sister of Nerissa and Katherine's mother Fenella, married Major Henry Nevile Fane, and three of their seven children lived in Earlswood Hospital. David Danks, then director of the Murdoch Children's Research Institute,[11] thought that a genetic disease in the Hepburn-Stuart-Forbes-Trefusis family[12] may have killed male members of the family in early childhood and caused learning disabilities in females.[13] In 1996, the surviving cousins were moved to Ketwin House care home in Surrey.[14] When it closed in 2001, they were moved to another care home in Surrey.[7]

@MTknitter22 Месяц назад

Elizabeth could have done more for Margaret.

@yayayoma Месяц назад

This is precisely why monarchies are a bad idea. Training the heir to be a caring and competent ruler only gets you so far. The heir must also possess some genetic predisposition for the job: intelligence, conscientiousness and emotional stability making them suitable to lead. Monarchy is subject to the genetic lottery. Spin the wheel and see what you get. At least the risk is lower with the UK's flavor of monarchy since the crown has very little actual power.

@LorenIpsem 23 дня назад

IMO…the “hereditary principle” is not an entirely satisfactory way of choosing either a head of state or head of government.

@katinkaraab1964 Месяц назад

What people like to ignore is that sometimes institutionalising disabled is better for them, and that at that time it was the best choice for everyone. They were in a clean enviorment, where people were taking care of them. A luxury that a lot of childern at that time did not get to enjoy, disabled or not. The "cruelty" of not acknowledging them is miniscule compared to what these people would have endured if they would have been born in pretty much any other family at that time. A Lot of them would have killed them as minors and you don't want to know what happend to those disabled that weren't kept in facility likes this. Yes I'm glad like everybody else that we came so far in medicine and economy that we can properly care for the disabled but at that time they had quite a good life for the card they were dealt with.

@davidboult4143 Месяц назад

And today we have "care in the community", is that better? Doesn't look like it.

@joejanczak3014 25 дней назад

Do they only have ONE LIGHT BULB in these palaces???? All these scenes are as if the lights have gone out. Wazzup wit that ??? 💡💡💡💡💡💡

@beatonthedonis 10 дней назад

Meghan and Harry were telling the truth about the Royal who asked how dark their baby would be.

@jeromefitzroy Месяц назад

Well they are Scottish

@Adkb123 8 дней назад

This scene is stupid. Princess Margaret would know full well why they were hidden away. It’s the only logical conclusion.

@Happy_HIbiscus Месяц назад

😲😲😲😲

@josephhilditch8792 Месяц назад

I’ll be glad when it’s all done away with

@tessdurberville711 Месяц назад

Treason.

@nika4843 Месяц назад

It won't be in your lifetime. It's been this way since those lands were conquered. Why would it stop now?

@nondescript2892 Месяц назад

the old lush gave a perfect reason for abandoning the archaic fancy dress party at the head of the british state....she certainly enjoyed it and never did a day's work..who wouldn't want to keep such a charade going?

@elizabethrestrepo3198 Месяц назад

… and harry enters the room

@ericcarlson3746 Месяц назад

this episode really showed an ugly side of both these women. The institutionalized relatives were not in the bloodline and the QM knew it. Then later Margaret cuts that "priest" dude out cold, to his face

@NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi Месяц назад

pure" .....they are German...Diana brought in non german blood

@goprovideos9280 Месяц назад

oh yea lets forget the queen mother is in fact Scottish

@billchristie2120 Месяц назад

Shhhh. Too much fact.@@goprovideos9280

@tessdurberville711 Месяц назад

They are also Danish, English, Russian, French and as the poster above stated, Scottish.

@tessdurberville711 Месяц назад

Diana brought in bastard blood. Diana was descended from not one, but two illegitimate children of King Charles II of England: Henry Fitzroy and Charles Lennox, via two of her great-grandmothers, Adelaide Seymour and Rosalind Bingham. Queen Camilla shares this same lineage. Diana's father was a viscount, meaning he was on the lowest rung of the British nobility, of lesser wealth and status than a duke or a marquis. He later became Earl Spencer on the death of his father. Diana had assignations with the hired help and several married men. She died in the company of an unemployed, untitled, 42 year old cocaine addict still tied to his daddy's purse strings. Diana was supposed to have flown home that morning to be with her sons, instead she stayed alerted the paparazzi of her whereabouts and did not fasten her seatbelt. Dodi Al Fayed and his father were despicable people and she was consorting with them. She was classless.

@BNCA70 Месяц назад

You're saying Diana was the first to bring non German blood to the line? Do your homework.

@joshuakampamba9061 Месяц назад

Why does everyone dispise Edward Viii so much? It was his right to leave the throne when ever he wanted!

@frname7665 Месяц назад

Because he was a notoriously insufferable entitled brat who only ever did whatever he wanted. And incidentally encouraged the nazis to bomb the UK. Next question?

@lennycrew3 Месяц назад

The Queen Mother specifically hated him because the stress and strain of suddenly being the monarch drove her husband to an early grave.

@taymur0804 Месяц назад

I know I would ask the same question aswell, I never liked the Queen Mother, but one must remember he gave the burden to his brother(when he was not raised to become a monarch).