The Quest for Pokémon Snap's Perfect Charmander Score

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Pokémon Snap is an iconic video for any Nintendo gamer growing up in the 90's. But did you know, there is a remarkable gaming community in pursuit of high score world records for Pokémon Snap's 63 Pokemon? In this video, we take a deep dive into the world of one Pokemon in particular; Charmander, and the strategies developed, world records set, and gaming analysis around the epic world of Pokemon Snap High Score competition. Enjoy, as we explain the strategies used to score such epic records, discuss new strategies, and all that makes the world of Pokemon Snap so remarkable!
The Quest for Pokémon Snap's Charmander World Record
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Cyberscore Charmander High Score Chart: www.cyberscore.me.uk/chart/967
(pictures used and shown can be found on this page)
Cyberscore Pokemon Snap leaderboards: www.cyberscore.me.uk/game/15
Sukige's 6,500 point Charmander: • ヒトカゲ　6500点
Feketerigo's Charmander Tutorial: www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm3425...
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0:00 Intro
1:02 NordVPN #Ad
2:20 Pokemon Snap Basics
5:37 Extra Pokemon Bonus
10:35 The Perfect Charmander?
14:15 The Ideal Setup
15:26 Example Comparisons
19:34 Is Higher Possible?
22:30 Extro
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@Lovuschka 3 года назад

Todd Rogers got 7500 points by starting his cam in second gear

@VideoGameManiac8 3 года назад

the human element

@atlsplaza-nd 3 года назад

Hahahaha

@VaporeonEnjoyer1 3 года назад

@@VideoGameManiac8 Todd "The Human Element" Rogers. Actually, no, that sounds cool. "Disgraced grown man who lied about video game scores" it is.

@xehP 3 года назад

actually... he had wide lenses preinstalled, it's a glitch.

@pootie3181 3 года назад

well billy mitchell sued pokemon and got over 9000

@James-wf8nu 3 года назад

What I love about this game is, to get a high score, you literally just have to take good photos. That magmar one looks hilarious

@pentelegomenon1175 3 года назад

I remember some levels in Pilotwings 64 where you have to fly near something in a hang glider to take pictures of it, then land safely, and your score is based on the quality of the picture. But I could never figure out how the picture score was calculated, so I'd just take the best picture I could and hope that it turned out good by sheer chance.

@jaybayer3670 3 года назад

It's pretty impressive how well the score to real life good photo ratio is.

@VaporeonEnjoyer1 3 года назад

I couldn't understand why they never made one for Wii U. The system was starved for games and it's controller is like a giant camera viewfinder.

@XJ9sodypop 3 года назад

Ryan Pokemon BW2 on the 3DS required you to use the camera to unlock the alternate stage for the legendary Genies. If you wanted Thundurus' other stage you had to play a mini game where the Pokemon runs around your room, similar to Pokemon Go on the phone. We had so many chances to get another Snap but it didnt happen until the Switch. I trust Bandai to deliver quality that it could otherwise not in inferior devices so there's that.

@EdsonCruz 3 года назад

I used to do this when I was a kid, but never realized that there was a whole community around it. Damn! Thanks Goose

@XJ9sodypop 3 года назад

I played Snap throughout elementary, middle and high school. Every now and then id buy a copy at a Flea Market and I guess mom sold it back at garage sale? Its a big part of my life and I loved discussing the games back in early 2000 online. Especially on early RU-vid. Turns out Shrek Superslam has pvp modded on dolphin emulators too. That game was a cult classic in my household. If only it were as big as Melee....

@CycloneFN 3 года назад

Long have we waited... The Charmander Highscore video. I think 6600 will definitely happen, likely with 990/2220, or maybe even 1000/2200, but more than that is hard to imagine without an insane new discovery. More generally, I think Pokémon Snap is a fantastic game for highscoring, and even for speedrunning. The skill floor is very low, everyone can get into it and start improving, and the ceiling is as high as you want it to be. You can focus on one pokémon at a time, or go through the whole course improving every score you can. There are many single-pokémon maxed records, which serve as goal scores for new players, and plenty more insane multi-pokémon shots, like Charmander, Squirtle, and Ditto, to name a few. If you can play this game, please do so, you just might find something you really enjoy!

@YouPrincipal 3 года назад

I don't do speedrunning but I really admire the dedication and hype in the speedrunning/worldrecord community. One of a kind in my opinion. I mean I just watched a 20 minute video explaining in detail how to take the perfect charmander picture in a game from '99(?). Not to mention all the other videos explaining games I never knew existed. whitegoose is doing a great job making this kind of stuff interesting and entertaining to outsiders.

@michaelsamuels659 3 года назад

I’m MoneyMike, glad to see the charmander strat evolved since back in the day haha. I clearly wasn’t pestering enough. Pic most likely from the 2008 era, but I didn’t get around to submitting any of my pics until 2012. I was part of a very small group pushing the boundaries of snap back then, so it’s cool to see that more people are playing this competitively. Lmk if you ever do a video on the progression of other snap strategies (I helped launch the two magikarp strategy btw if you are looking for suggested content)

@michaelsamuels659 3 года назад

All the credit goes to the youtube algorithm that recommended your awesome video. I think youtube must know too much about me

@jervoskitzin Год назад

You're a legend

@Sauraen 3 года назад

Why doesn't someone use hacks to manually move around the Charmanders, to get an upper bound for the possible score? Obviously this would not count as a record, but it could help the community understand the strategies better.

@Penguinator44 3 года назад

Reminder that to get the Pikachu high score picture in this game you have to spam the controls to slow down your cart more than the game normally allows and take a picture of Pikachu riding an Articuno while you're clipped inside the Articuno's body.

@Sauraen 3 года назад

You can get Pikachu to ride the Articuno?! I was able to get Balloon Pikachu, but I always thought that was the top bonus!

@drahsid2 3 года назад

I did some reverse engineering on Snap a while back, and the way the game determines the size of the pokemon' that are in frame is not as logical (or how) you would think. Also, the game actually captures the scene (and not an actual photo,) which is pretty amusing. The photos are also pre-scored (as in the game determines each individual stat that affects the score) when they are taken, so if a human-possible ACE method is ever discovered, it could be relatively easy to make any photo have max score just by writing bogus data to the photo structure.

@Whorror47 3 года назад

I don’t think it takes “reverse engineering” to figure this out lol

@pr6138 3 года назад

My friends, it just keeps snappening!

@rjc276 3 года назад

Nice

@wareforcoin5780 3 года назад

Thanks, I hate it

@alexanderfranzen3453 3 года назад

Hey goose, I just want to say that i really appreciate everything you do. at the end of 2017-2018 I went through a really hard time with PTSD and dealing with a lot of trauma to the point where I had to take time off work to recover. Your speedlore videos helped me nearly everynight when I was alone in bed for like 3 months. It was something that I could fall asleep to and it made me laugh and feel a lot less alone. One time when you were doing an aztec one you exclaim about a ridiculous run where "jaws was running around!" and I laughed and laughed so loud my landlord called me to keep it down. I don't know, i just want to say I appreciate the content you make and it helped me through a very hard time in my life and I don't know how to thank you. It was cathartic and you offered something other youtubers dont by being incredibly relatable and funny and having really happy innocent content. I don't even play 007 but now I know all the speedrunners and can talk about esoteric speedruns from 2004 about the game with my friends who I'm sure don't care lol. Thanks for all these videos they make me happy and they mean a lot.

@thecanadianfood 3 года назад

Wow I never knew that you could move to the side on the river level. Blowing my mind in the first three minutes of the video and we haven't even got to the Charmander high scores yet.

@ShardtheWolf 3 года назад

RIGHT?

@KCzz15 3 года назад

Out of interest, has anybody else ever tried unlocking the Apples in Pokemon Snap using only the Beach course? I tried it when I was much younger and came incredibly close, but lacked the skill to get the last 100-something points I was short of from the Pidgey and Butterfree(?). Always felt it was an interesting challenge and perhaps even some sort of speerun category based around the fastest Beach only apples unlock could be possible, but I've never seen anybody else throw around the idea or mention having tried it before.

@aaronkosharskyswhiteknight5224 3 года назад

Lets goooooo

@informant09 3 года назад

And this is how new categories are born :)

@KCzz15 3 года назад

@@informant09 I'd love to see it if it ever happens.

@cxx23 3 года назад

This is an amazing speedrunning idea.

@pinkpools 3 года назад

the chapter title scenes with the powerlines are so fucking comfy.

@Goda_Plays 3 года назад

Goose I have found that I love when you do the stranger sides of speedrunning/high scores. The video that got me into your content was the mario party one, please do more of these, they are very enjoyable and entertaining

@AlternativeTactics 3 года назад

Watching Ryan White stream Charmander high score attempts actually sounds pretty based

@Showsni 3 года назад

I remember Smogon had a competition to get a high score on the Volcano level back in the day; my strategy was to take one of each type of Pokémon on the course, and run the rest of my film out on the Charmanders, since it was easier to get good shots of them. Looking at the leaderboards on Cyberscore, the score I got back then is actually good enough for 13th place on the course. :D I still have the photos I took as proof on my 3DS, maybe I should submit it...

@tahvohck 3 года назад

Has there been any romhack work done on this to find a theoretical "perfect tiling" maximum score? I'd love to know what score you'd get with the background entirely filled with charmanders. What about getting 4 of the 5 bonus ones closer and obscuring the 5th?

@bes03c 3 года назад

I wonder if there is a TAS with a higher score

@gwvaio 3 года назад

I'm here because nobody else is covering this groundbreaking story

@Blucario90 3 года назад

I don't even have to give a timestamp for when the ad ends anymore.

@Arcademan09 3 года назад

Not all heroes wear capes, I salute your service sir

@ZeusDahGoose 3 года назад

*I just realized that a good amount of channels I enjoy have Goose in their name lol*

@pleasedontwatchthese9593 3 года назад

Same, duck duck goose

@anabang1251 3 года назад

No need to do *this*

@ZeusDahGoose 3 года назад

@@anabang1251 *_-Too late-_*

@Curlyheart 3 года назад

Monke

@connordarvall8482 3 года назад

Never knew there was a competitive community for this. Good job getting 3rd for your Charmander by the way.

@borizzle1 3 года назад

I like videos like these, about really niche or specific speedruns. The 1080 Deadly Falls is another good one.

@Lita3O2 Год назад

these videos are very nicely presented. lots of information and details, plus well spoken and relaxing. nice work!

@PopADoseYo 3 года назад

Still so excited every upload! I'll never forget finding you man. During the siglemic days. You were playing SM64 and I found your channel. Thus I then found out about the Goldeneye Speedrunning Legend, you! You're great man! Thanks for all the hours of entertainment and just hearing you speak your mind about these topics. Plus all the crazy Lore and information.

@TheAtoll 3 года назад

What a treat! One of my favorite games and one of my favorite Pokemon! Can't wait for the New Span this spring!

@reedime5396 3 года назад

Awesome video. I loved Pokemon Snap back in the day and didn't know high score point grinding was a thing.

@angrybeard8999 3 года назад

Ryan, are you going to be the one to crush the World Record? let's go!!!

@QuantemDeconstructor 3 года назад

we gotta have it with JPop blasting in a god awful "proof" video, with the raw feed unlisted to honor the memory of attack ship agent

@blckwtrpark3352 3 года назад

Nice video, also i see you on that high score list 3 days after this video went up. nice job on that 6430.

@Eazy_Bruh 3 года назад

I absolutely love your videos brother! I miss the streaming days. If you’re streaming then I may stop by! ;) much love man and keep making these AWESOME videos.

@Ash-eu1rq 3 года назад

Never thought I'd see a Pokémon snap video on your channel but pleasantly surprised :)

@beforedawnYGO 3 года назад

I would've guessed that there were leaderboards for Pokemon Snap scores, but until this video popped up in my recommendeds, I wouldn't have guessed it was this competitive.

@Matt-nx6uu 3 года назад

I got a tie for that Blockbuster-sponsored contest of getting the highest score (using Mew). Had to write an essay, but didn't end up winning the trip to Africa lol

@Curlyheart 3 года назад

I thought it was a trip to Australia not Africa

@Matt-nx6uu 3 года назад

@@Curlyheart Huh, might have been. I just remember it was a safari, which made me think of Africa. Probably a lot safer to take a trip through the outback lol

@magustx 3 года назад

this is just what I needed. For some reason I can recall all of these stats

@JakeMcaulay 3 года назад

Great to see some pokemon content on the channel, keep up the good work ya top lad.

@owenjj93 3 года назад

I forgot this game existed. Thank you for reminding me about it.

@MetroAndroid 3 года назад

Was just watching your old Pokemon Snap stream on the Goose clips channel!

@Omnicrom 3 года назад

re:63 Pokemon: It probably was originally planned to be 64 Pokemon in the game because it's an Nintendo 64 game, but it looks like a Pokemon got cut out of the game at the last minute. The unlucky loser? Ekans. Ekans was seen in an early build of the game but it nowhere in the final release. As always check out The Cutting Room Floor for more.

@Omnicrom 3 года назад

@@GamerFolklore Unclear as the stage it appears in the demo doesn't match any of the game's final stages. Instead, Ekans appears in a forest stage near a squirtle. It wouldn't surprise me if it was originally meant to appear in the grassy area in the back half of Beach, but that's pure speculation.

@rjc276 3 года назад

Ekans always gets shafted

@bitcoinfandom 3 года назад

Are u fuckin kidding me Goose, that's exactly the same song I'm currently listening to nonstop. Build me up buttercup!

@SecretScubaSteve 3 года назад

Liked and subscribed!!!! Get that high score man!

@cloroxbleach6560 3 года назад

So size score does matter? :(

@EntranceJew 3 года назад

I know we have a breakdown of what the game reports as its scoring criteria, but I would love to see a technical breakdown of the exact photo scoring mechanism in the game's code. Testing how much of an object is obscured is intensive math for an N64, compared to how one might do it on modern hardware, so doing it as frequently as you can take pictures is even more intense.

@46lespaul 3 года назад

i never gave this a thought way back when i had a cartridge of this game i did have just above a 6000 score picture but not sure what, was probably a 60xx score but thats crazy to think that would have been good since that was so long ago

@MofoMan2000 3 года назад

LOL! I remember getting this Charmander shot when I was like, 10. Almost 20 years ago. Shit, I'm old.

@wareforcoin5780 3 года назад

It's not so bad being 30.

@sagacious03 3 года назад

Neat analysis! Thanks for uploading!

@HappyBeezerStudios 3 года назад

Would it be possible to create a perfect score with some TAS magic and maybe a squeeze of memory editing to see how high of a score is even technically possible? Just to have an idea on where the actual limit sits.

@Elliasal 3 года назад

These are such fun records! the og programmers probably dont know the max either, this kind of game design is so cool, glad we are getting another poke snap :D

@damianelswick8828 3 года назад

Goose, I'm always down for Pokemon, Bond, PD, any kind of N64 game from my childhood. You cover the records/pursuit of perfection so well. Tip of the cap.

@HappyBeezerStudios 3 года назад

As someone without any experience at scoring in the game, I feel like the 6370 could be improved if the both charmanders all the way in the back would sit better. The one all in the back left seems to be missing the hop of it's head and the one in the back right is partially hidden by the one in front of it.

@hayleywaalen2612 3 года назад

Charmander does a little dance with his friends.

@twizz420 3 года назад

I used to ride my bike to Blockbuster just to play the Pokemon Snap demo over and over and over lol

@xm1a1x 3 года назад

Who else is hyped for snap 2.!..

@ichrismoku 3 года назад

Oh yeah baby, that's the money shot. Pure cash money.

@sexpistolsdaz 3 года назад

Didnt even know this game existed and my mom and dad came home from holiday with a copy those where amazing times

@beerkegaard 3 года назад

Bro are you getting the XBLA goldeneye up and running? Would love your take on it

@goreobsessed2308 3 года назад

Lol I never knew you could stop the cart thing

@TayoEXE 3 года назад

This game seems simple on the surface, but I've got to give the programmers credit for how much detail went into the image analysis for determining the score, especially in the earlier days of 3D games.

@Dark6997 3 года назад

"A game you haven't thought of..." Bro I never heard about this game till the second one was announced

@S0namus 3 года назад

I remember taking so many pictures of those charmanders when I was a kid, trying to beat my last score I got for them haha

@martymcfly88mph35 3 года назад

Man I loved this game as a kid.

@romajimamulo 3 года назад

I mean, I feel like the best way to find the real max is to make a doctored photo with some kind of Pokémon position altering hack, and see what can be squeezed out

@Alex-vm6ef 3 года назад

would definitely want to see more of these.

@Znernicus 3 года назад

Is there no Tool-assisted theoretical high score to compare to? I'm not sure how well Pokemon snap emulates for TAS but I have to imagine some theorycrafting would be tested that way

@coltino99 3 года назад

I saw one of a pikachu riding on a zubat and thought, how is that possible, it was right in front of the camera

@DarkLeviathan8 3 года назад

I DID think much about it for the last 20 years, how dare you!

@ShadwSonic 3 года назад

And here you'd normally think Perfect Mew would be the trickiest shot to take... I'm so irritatingly close to that point that I can't be completely sure if the difference is in my skill or emulator error (which, yes, different video settings can completely screw up how this game tabulates points, and no, I'm not using save states either). Now, when I say "close", I mean 40, maybe even 20 points of size bonus off of the mark!

@DOC_951 3 года назад

Damn.... specifically just for charmander 🧐 interesting lol

@GreenEnvy. 3 года назад

Did you just call lava "laava?"

@OmegaVideoGameGod 3 года назад

Charmander Pinball!!!!

@beforedawnYGO 3 года назад

I believe I saw a glitch once that enabled Charmander to spawn infinitely, but I can't find a description of that anywhere. Would such a glitch be legal?

@gnardawgyt 3 года назад

I loved this topic, great video

@timothyhilditch 3 года назад

Now I want to crack out my N64 to see how my records compare with the highscores today

@halloweenlett9971 3 года назад

Vid like before the ad was even loaded 👌🏻🦅 Hey Goose

@darthsnarf 3 года назад

Ryan in front of a fireplace? Bonus.

@nikoxenos6237 3 года назад

Love Pokémon Snap- great content. I’m hyped for the new game.

@bobdrooples 3 года назад

What if it's a bit small and slightly off to one side?

@frickinfrick8488 3 года назад

I love that Oak won’t give you max points unless you beat a charmander with an apple

@Chaosproscho 3 года назад

02:20 That damn evangelion sound file...

@TwoGunToast 3 года назад

This was super interesting! I enjoyed it.

@xx4444xxDOTexe 3 года назад

Wouldnt 3 "big" charmanders be better than just squeezing them all in?

@mikeveroni 3 года назад

Great video Goose!!

@n00bJesus 3 года назад

Very interesting, I’d enjoy seeing more on this game!

@OmicronX-1999 3 года назад

Hmmm... I've never played this game in my life, but from what you said about the scoring in this video, and the fact that you can squeeze extra points out of the back right Charmander by hitting him with a pester ball and then snapping the shot as he's getting up to fit more of him in the frame, could you not also do the same with the back center Charmander? He's slightly cut off at the top in pretty much every high scoring shot. If all of him fit in the frame, perhaps it'd be possible to eke out another 10 or 20 points? Dunno, just seems like it might be worth exploring.