I used to love going to the NY Pokemon Center all the time when I was a kid, mostly since it was near the building one of my parents worked. Didn't really have a big interest in Pokemon back then, but free game booths couldn't be beat along with the cool merch and displays like that beat-up Game Boy that survived a bombing in the Gulf War. If I knew what I knew now because of this video I would have stockpiled a bunch of those Chanseys lol. Thanks for bringing back some of those memories!
@@priceprice_baby You can transfer them to Pokemon Bank, than Pokemon Home, than Gen8. It is technicaly possible. As there is no way to detect if it is a modded Pokemon (if a modder dont do it so obviously) this also isnt an issue for competive ones. I could create a Wish Pokemon and hypertrain it afterwards. So it looks legit. Also Event Pokemons dont have a specific ID so it is pretty easy to make some.
I played in some wifi battle leagues during gen 4. They were quite different from simulators in some ways, and the absence of Wish on Blissey was one of them. Another difference is that Blissey rarely used Seismic Toss in Wifi battles because to get Seismic Toss legitimatelly, you had to breed Chancey in gen 3, as that move was only available as a move tutor in FR and LG. Gen 3 had way worse breeding mechanics, so most people didn't bother to do that and used Ice Beam or Flamethrower instead.
Also it wasn't until Gen V that wish healed based on the user of the move, not a flat 50% of the receiver, regardless of the user. Meaning wish in gen 3&4 were just objectively worse. Meaning in gen 3&4 a vaporean's wish was just as valuable as blissey's.
I don't know with who you played against in gen 4, because back then pokesav usage was rampant. Everyone used wish and seismic toss blissey. Unless you were playing on a more private circle where people only used legitimately bred pokémon, you would see all of those fringe event / gen 3 moves.
@@SpectreXS fax. People keep ignoring gen and sav and I can't stand for this slander. No one in that time who wanted to win ever had a 100% legit pokemon and if they did, they used a hacked ditto to pass perfect IVs. Even in gen 6 and 7 people gen'd.
I remember in Gen III and Gen IV on NetBattle and ShoddyBattle at certain times Blissey would use Ice Beam, Flamethrower or even Thunderbolt as its attacking move. Nowadays in those generations they seem to always prefer Seismic Toss, but there were metagame trends at the time where Blissey would prefer the special attacking move. For example, I remember there was the Substitute/Focus Punch Gengar set (McIceGar or something like that), which got popular for a bit so most Blissey would use a special move for a while so they could break the substitutes (and not get destroyed by Focus Punch).
Not a competitive example or anything, but you can have a Fissure machamp in gen 8 if you bring it from the virtual console, however, it cannot be No Guards since those mons can only have their hidden ability
@@ogeid772 well, not until Gen 12 when they inevitably release a game so buggy that it allows you to easily swap Pokémon's abilities and we start seeing such treasures as desolate land heatran, no guard groudon, flame body blissey, huge power garchomp, levitate toxapex, corrosion drapion, and snowwarning kyurem...
The Draco Meteor Jirachi is the one I think of first when talking about rare moves, it was a 10 day event that also gave you a special location on the PokeWalker if you sent it to HGSS. Draco Meteor doesn't really make sense on Jirachi but it's certainly cool to see.
Draco Meteor doesn't make sense on Jirachi... Jirachi's whole motif is based around the concept of wishing upon a star and Meteors are often referred to as Shooting Stars. Draco Meteor being Dragon type is due to the Japanese name being _Ryuseigon_ which is _Meteor Shower_ with the _Ryu_ being read as _Dragon_ Honestly for a Pokémon whose whole motif revolving around things like Shooting Stars, Wishing upon a star, having the Wish Tags which is a reference to Tanabata which was when Draco Meteor Jirachi was released and often when Jirachi does get re-released, I kind of wonder why they don't make Draco Meteor a move Jirachi can learn naturally at Lv. 100...
@@Tobunari That is actually a fantastic point, I was really only thinking about its typing. But putting it that way it really should just learn it by level up, but I guess the Event one that learned it will just always have that specialty. Unless they decide to change that in later gens and let it learn from tutor or something.
Interestingly, that pokewalker course triggers for ANY jirachi, not just that one (though it’s possible this was unintended). You can still get this pokewalker course legitimately today through Pokémon channel Jirachi
I think in 2012 there was a event in Japan where you could get a Victini with Blue Flare, Bolt Strike, and Glaciate, which I'm pretty sure is the only way Victini gets those moves
Mew can only get Fake Out and Hypnosis through a Mew specific tutor in XD. Fake Out is a great support move on it in Doubles, and Hypnosis was an option on Baton Pass sets at one point and could be used with Z-Trick Room to get an 80% accurate sleep move. A purified Zapdos from XD gets Baton Pass, and Zapdos was part of the Gen 6 team that got Baton Pass banned.
Actually, for the event Heatran, idk if it applies to pokemon rangers, but you can Actually get all event pokemon legally thanks to someone opening a server to allow it through. You can find a guide for it on YT and again, idk if it applies to rangers but ik it applies to gen 4-5 of pokemon, so you can reclaim those one at least.
IIRC there's community servers you can connect to that have all online based events, code redemption and mystery gift. I'm pretty sure they also have the Ranger missions too.
I find it so cool that on showdown, you can use any theoretically possible pokemon regardless of whether or not one actually existed. A shiny Chansey with wish and specific IVs may not even exist, but you can still use one on showdown.
well keep in mind we also have nature mints and bottlecaps now. also, hidden power was banned on zapdos and raikou in gen 2 for a time due to how rare it was to get the right hidden power.
@@gregorymirabella1423 while I agree it’s easier now than before it’s still super tedious. Bottle caps take a lot of farming and rng, nature mints require either rng or expensive battle tree grinding. Part of what made PLA so enjoyable for me is that grinding Pokémon stats were super simple and a natural part of progression, though there is no WiFi battling. I just feel the entry point for competitive for just getting Pokémon is way too much. It shouldn’t take me at least an hour (usually more) just to breed, get moves, bottle caps, mints, etc and wait for the RNG to line up. Not to mention certain good moves that require you be in a specific area at a specific time.
@@Thisisnotasign There's just no way to know tbh. There are almost certainly some out there but they're obviously hacked. But hacked Pokemon can't be distinguished from real. Extremely unlikely for a legit one to have ever existed though
The "Crown" legendary beasts event from Zoroark: Master of Illusions is one of my favorites, with all 3 beasts being shiny, knowing a whopping 4 exclusive moves (at least Bulb claims, including some very powerful options such as Flare Blitz & Extremespeed on Adament locked Entei, Weather Ball & Aura Sphere on Rash locked Raikou, and Air Slash on Suicune), and also held (at the time) event exclusive berries.
That event Entei was amazing in gen 7 mix and mega (unpopular format but a lot of fun once you got the hang of it). Give it Altarianite for the secondary fairy type and pixilate, then spam extremespeed.
@@TheJankoid Honestly, starting in gen 7 event Entei was actually quite a solid lower tier mon thanks to sacred fire being *extremely* spammable, decent bulk, and excellent priority in e-speed.
I found some guy on ORAS PSS who trades me a bunch of classic event mons including these. Still have them on my cartridge (even if they are likely hacked though this was before the big web browser exploit)
I'm surprised Amnesia Poliwrath wasn't mentioned. It learns it as a Poliwhirl in Gen 1, so it's usable in Gen 1 and 2, but it lost it in Gen 3, then with the VC Gen 1 games, you could bring Amnesia Poliwrath into Gen 7, and even Gen 8... but, Poliwrath can not learn the Amnesia TR in Gen 8, so to use it, it has to come from Gen 1. Also, what about Hypnosis Misdreavus and Growth Eevelutions???
I’m surprised too. I thought for sure he’d mention growth Eevee. As for amnesia Poliwrath, Fighting types in gen 1 are sub par at best, with Poliwrath actually being considered one of, if not definitively, the best. If you use amnesia to boost special, you’re basically sacrificing fighting stab, and there are far better water types to use if you want something that can hit hard on the special end. Outside of gen 1 though, you don’t want to be using Poliwrath as a tank of all roles.
@@gregorymirabella1423 it was a staple move for it in Gen 1 due to getting +2 Special bulk to tank attacks and fire back with options like Psychic or Blizzard/Hydro Pump. Past that point though , yea no one cared.
Soft Boiled Clefable is quite good, and the best healing move it gets, with the only other option being Moonlight. However, unless something changed I'm not aware of, Clefable can only get Soft Boiled via a move tutor in FireRed and LeafGreen, making it fairly difficult to obtain.
This actually doesn’t even begin to describe the difficulty of getting a good Clefable with soft boiled, especially in later gens. Before Gen 3, Clefable didn’t have magic guard as an ability. So when you trade your Clefable from Gen 3 to 4 (the Gen that introduced magic guard) there’s a 50/50 chance that it will have cute charm or magic guard. One of these is incredible, the other is near useless. And trading from Gen 3 to 4 is a permanent one way transaction, and since the soft boiled move tutor is a one time use, if you fail the coin flip, you gotta restart your game, and progress back to the move tutor, breed a Clefable, EV train it, etc. and try again. Ability capsules thankfully remedied this. This doesn’t even mention the cost of transferring a Gen 3 Clefable to Gen 7. You need a GBA, a DS with a GBA slot, and a 3DS. You also need a Gen 3 game, a Gen 4 game, a Gen 5 game, and a Gen 7 game. It’s stupidly expensive.
You should be able to make the work a whole easier on yourself if you back up your game boy advance save using specific hardware for the DS lite flashcard first. Also you are forgetting about the ability to clone pokemon via the Battle Frontier in Pokemon Emerald. Some Nintendo employees actually talked about it in an interview that was conducted.
it just occured to me a lot of move tutors in FRLG were Gen 1 TM movesets. Which was a fantastic way of nodding to the different moves while still having them available!
Fun fact: the reason vgc bans pokemon from previous games is because some guy brought a follow me magmar to a tournament, which was ridiculously hard to get
Probably that (sejun's magmar which was send to pokecheck and is a confirmed hack), along with Eruption Heatran with a metagame'd perfect 21 IV speed would be my guess. Funny thing is that nintendo is so dumb that even with that, it never stopped people from using these limited-event pokémon with hacked perfect stats anyway, such as Endeavor Raichu and Telepathy Dialga.
@@SpectreXS wait , but you cannot get dialga with the hidden ability from the pokemon dream radar ? ( i remember you could get he and palkia if you had any of the gen 4 games inserted and the pokemon dream radar in your 3ds )
I actually had a Wish Chansey back in the day. My family and I went to NY for a Christmas trip and I got the Wish Chansey on my copy of Leaf Green which was awesome as a kid who's favorite Pokémon was Blissey. I wish I still had it, but I lost that cart years ago. I really wish I still had it.
I dont know if it will ever be competitively viable, but draco meteor jirachis exist. And in little cup, riolu can technically run a nasty plot aura sphere set from the pokemon ranger event.
More relevantly, Jirachi got Follow Me from a 2013 event and that event Pokémon was legal in Smogon’s doubles formats. Jirachi is far and away the best FM user due to its steel type and 100/100/100 defenses. It caused Jirachi to be banned from Doubles OU in gen 5 and later, and was a big contributor to Mega Salamence being banned in XY DOU.
I was always intrigued by the Banette that could learn cotton guard from the dream world giveaway back in Gen 5. When mega banette got the ability prankster I always wondered what prankster cotton guard, Will-o-wisp, pain split, and an attacking move would do to strong physical mons on the ladder
Victini having access to Bolt Strike and Fusion Moves is another important move event. Follow Me on Jirachi and Squirtle might be viable in doubles, but not VGC as you cannot use moves from previous gens in VGC.
@@yonatanbeer3475 yep, and even among victini's event-only existance it got it's main signature move by event only. legit could not relearn V-Create if you had it forget the move for some accursed reason
it's also worth noting that the only way to get teleport blissey is to use the teleport tm on chansey, which is only in let's go. and since it's impossible to transfer a mon from usum into let's go, it's unfortunately impossible to have a blissey with both wish and teleport. p.s. funnily enough, hidden power was banned on zapdos and raikou in gen 2 because it was unlikely to get the hidden power you wanted on cartridge. though they eventually unbanned it once they realized how dumb their logic was.
To be fair, rng manipulation wasn't figured out back then, so it really was difficult to get certain pokemon. There was also a time in the shoddy battle era where you were not allowed to have perfect IVs on a pokemon, because there were some pokemon where it was considered unrealistic to do so.
imagine that in a real battle, Rayquaza in flames going full-power ahead and viciously hitting... the wall. trainers exchange glances. Rayquaza, sweating all over, awkwardly goes back to its place and wait of the opponent to move
Eruption Heatran was actually a meanace in Gen 5 VGC because it’s perfect for Trick Room and Fire Gem alongside Sunny Day Cresselia basically guaranteed that nothing could survive an Eruption. It can’t be used anymore because VGC doesn’t allow Pokemon from old gens to be used anymore without wiping all their known moves, but considering how good Torkoal was this gen, it was probably the right call.
Imagine being nintendo and looking at the playerbase of your official tournaments, everyone with full perfect shiny teams with any event move pokémon with perfect stats at their disposal, lol! Regional mark rule was a good cope for them to embarass themselves a little bit less.
There was a bugged dynamax raid event in early Sword and Shield that featured a Hydro Pump Drilbur. It was considered illegal though and couldn’t be used on the in game ladder.
The biggest thing you forgot were the event only competitively useless moves happy hour, celebrate, and hold hands. While a total waste of a move slot in almost every gen, in gen 7 when paired with a normalium Z they boosted every singles stat by one stage. Z celebrate victini still haunts my nightmares.
I remember Zoroark used to only get sludge bomb as an event move, which was great when they introduced fairys. really glad they just added that to his movepool tho
Extremespeed Linoone is an interesting example, that can be available through the Pokémon Box: Ruby and Sapphire game although that in itself is a pretty rare GameCube game. It is possible to get Gluttony on it too by evolving in a later Gen than 3, I have actually done this
Another thing to note about Heal Bell Dragonite is that it is the final Shadow Pokemon in Pokemon XD, effectively meaning that in order to get one, you'd effectively have to complete Pokemon XD in order to get it.
I used to be an active Event Trader in the Gen 6 days, and I got a hand on most of these! They were clones, because obviously, no one would trade a real Wish Chansey (with Seismic Toss FRLG tutor). Extreme Speed Linoone used to be one of the most sought RU pokemon at the time but was rereleased through Jump Festa 2015. If you were okay with clones, V-Create Rayquaza was super common in giveaways and you could've just traded dex fillers for it lol.
I can think of two more important ones. Victini had a Japanese-exclusive event that gave it Blue Flare, Bolt Strike, and Glaciate, all three being relevant moves that it uses competitively, (though it only runs Blue Flare on pure special sets which are rare). Additionally, Arceus had an event in Gen 4 where it could learn Roar of Time, Spacial Rend, and Shadow Force; the former two have never been relevant, but the last one often sees use on Swords Dance Ghostceus sets.
Probably my favorite mechanics to come out of SwSh are the Ability Patch and Egg move transferring. Both of these mechanics finally allowed for these event specific moves to be used in tandem with other moves and abilities that would otherwise be incompatible. Multiscale, Heal Bell Dragonite was the big one mentioned here, but Dragon Dance, Wish Salamence and Harvest, Wish Exeggutor are some other great examples of this. There's also certain movesets from the 3DS Virtual consoles that are quite useful. Every gen 1-2 Pokemon that can learn TMs can learn Curse, which gives this incredibly useful boosting move to a plethora of different Pokemon
One rare move that I had a lot of fun with was helping hand on dusclops. In generation 8 dusclops learns helping hand by tm but before that the only way to get it was purifying the duskull in pokemon xd. For a ghost type that is already supportive in doubles like dusclops that's a fantastic tool to have. Personally I only used it in my pokemon xd playthrough for explosion strats. I had a shiftry with explosion since that was the highest base attack exploder you could get without trading and I was OHKoing both opposing pokemon even 20 levels ahead of mine in mt battle. I had a foretress with explosion as well so I could usually wipe out 4 pokemon in the first 2 turns but that foretress had other unrelated jank it could do as well. Even seedot 's explosion could 1 shot things well past it's own level thanks to that helping hand boost and gen 3 explosion mechanics
I'm sure it's been said by now but Growth Eevee is significant, even if less impactful on the meta than Lovely Kiss Snorlax and Nido. Special Sweepers literally didn't exist because it was just the move growth distributed among flawed grass types. Vaporeon is a great WinCon with it and also makes Espeon or Jolteon able to ape a similar role for a really niche match up fish in the late game
This reminded me of Growth Eevee. So, in NY they handed out an Eevee with Growth. That would be pretty uneventful except that it was in Gen 2. Gen 2 was an era without powerful set up moves (only Swords Dance and Agility), so a Special Sweepet would have no set up move to use. That's where Growth comes in, it raises both Physical and Special Attack, making some Eeveevolutions viable or, at least, more useful for Baton Passing.
it acually only raised special attack in gen 2, but your point is still valid. Boosting SpA on somthing like Espeon was always a nice option in an era of little setup/lots of bulk
@@seanscott2677 huh, look at that, you are right. I think I only used growth on Gen 5 games onwards, so I missed that. That and I forgot FSG full disclosure on the topic lol
@@franbh94 Which makes total sense considering that's when growth started to act like nasty plot/swords dance under sun, making it a good move for chlorophyll sweepers.
Imagine if Geodude (Kantonian and Alolan forms) could be bred with rapid spin in a future game, particularly Scarlet/Violet. If Rapid Spin A-Golem was in SwSh, it could have use Galvanize to rapid spin against Ghost types, get pseudo stab from it along with a speed boost. This would have been incredible for also endure cutsap berry set with explosion. The only things that could have blocked it were lightning rod users and Golurk. Golurk could be handled by bulky water and grass types while every single viable lightning rod user could not take coverage moves like EQ. Rapid Spin K-Golem could be a great low tiers or even UU thanks to it's ability to scare away most heavy duty boots defoggers and Ghost type switch ins with rock stab.
Having Electric type Rapid Spin when not only almost all SR setters are Ground-type to block it, but also Golem-A being 4x weak to it doesnt soubd nice
I'd love to see most difficult to get event moves be given out as Egg Moves in later gens. The did this with Extremespeed Zigzagoon, so I hope they give us Wish Chansey and Rapid Spin Geodude, at least.
Yeah I tended to build and test teams in showdown before going to singles play on my actual game with the team I've built. I've run into this multiple times. I got into homebrewing in gen 6 and basically just hacked in entire teams in from my showdown plans to use in random multiplayer battles. I still have some of those in pokemon home because I was meticulous to make sure everything matched what it could have been as an event pokemon down to nature, IVs, ribbons, OT, and pokeball. Boy do I miss the era of easy homebrew pokemon hacking in gen 6. Now I work 12 hour days and don't even have time to figure out if its possible to hack my switch. Being an adult sucks.
There are alternative DNS servers you can use to re-enable the DS and, I believe, the Wii's online connectivity, so if you are willing to be a little bit cheeky you can probably get most gen 4-5 event pokemon, including possibly Eruption Heatran, in a semi legitimate manner. Just search for event pokemon DNS and there are guides out there for it. No promises on transferring up to gen 8, I'm not sure what details all of the steps in the transferral chain check.
Another interesting thing you can do is use bugs such as Tweaking, Pomeg berry glitch, gen 2 pc bugs, or gen 1 mew glitch to access event pokemon. With the Pomeg berry bug especially it is possible to even access certain mystery gift pokemon because of the way you are able to manipulate the cartridge. Also in gen 3 you can clone pokemon using the battle tower bug so if you put your heart to it a lot of these pokemon can become attainable.
@@Crankulite IIRC, a lot of event-only and legendary pokemon are validated in certain ways transferring up from gen 5 to gen 6, such as checking OT, ribbons, caught location, etc. it should have - it would be much harder to transfer those obtained from glitches. I talked about this method because it's probably the thing most likely to work for that Pokemon Bank transfer step, if the person setting up the DNS is careful to match all of the details of the original event. If you glitch an event item/to an event area that was released in Gen 3 or 4 officially, though, it should transfer fine. It's possible to make pokemon hold event items in gen 3 via the Pomeg glitch, just not sure off the top of my head what EVs or whatever you need. Also, Mews from Gen 1 VC games have to have a specific TID and OT or they aren't able to be transferred per the same checker. It's possible to make transferable Gen 1 mews, but it essentially requires arbitrary code execution because you have to modify the OT and TID to be correct. There's a guide out there on it by Crystal_, I believe.
@@ryjelsum to be fair last I did this was pokemon bank which back in the day had a lot less validation checkers then pokemon home did. Now that I think about it, it makes sense that this would not be possible anymore. I remember being able to transfer Darkrais and Shaymins that I received through tweaking to pokemon bank and then X&Y.
@@Crankulite That's what I was talking about with event areas and items. If you tweak to Shaymin/Darkrai you catch it in the intended area, so the validation checker shrugs and calls it legit, since every other piece of information could theoretically legitimately be anything. Don't worry about it too much, I was just giving some more information on top since you mentioned glitching event mons.
something of huge note in terms of obtaining rare event pokémon in game is that duplicating pokémon via trade is possible up to generation 6 so that means if you have any of these you should probably dupe them exspecially if you have any that evolve since you would the be able to to not only have multiple copies of the same pokémon but also some unevolved versions that may be of use if a new regional variant if that pokémon is added in future titles
Well, considering there is a group who recovered the old Memory Cards and Hardware the Gotta-Catch-'em-All Machine from the NY Pokecenter used, a bunch of those Gen 2 and 3 Event Pokemon can be redistributed again. Likewise with the people who are restored the Wifi Servers for Pokemon DPP/HGSS, Ranger and BW (Not sure about BW2 though) for the Events/Mystery Gifts, a lot of these once unobtainable event items and Pokemon can be recovered without save editing.
Having looked into the save editors for gen 4 and 5, it is not out of the question that someone could perfectly recreate the Event Pokemon and have it pass the check systems on real software for transfers. So the Event Moves that far back are only as rare as hackers willing to put in the work to accurately recreate them.
For me it’s Seismic Toss + Wish bulky Mega Kangaskhan. So many great memories. That thing literally tore through countless teams for me. You gotta get a Kangaskhan from The NY Pokemon Center event with Wish, then teach him Seismic Toss via tutor in FRLG before moving him up. It comes with Early Bird so I had to farm BP for the Ability Capsule in XY and switch it to Scrappy. I got a neutral nature on him though, but with Isle of Armor and mints I managed to import him and give him a good one.
There was a similar situation before USUM with zigzagoon and linoone. the only 2 ways to legitimately get extreme speed is a japan exclusive event or by transferring up the egg gift zigzagoon from the uncommon gen 3 side game/tool Pokemon Box Ruby and Sapphire all the way up to modern generations. thankfully since USUM extreme speed has become an egg move. Now only the same change can happen to chancey and blissey
An interesting note about Eruption Heatran is that it's seen as the main reason VGC implemented their region nativity clause, aka no transfer mons. I'm fuzzy on the details but I'm pretty sure someone won world's 2013 with Eruption Heatran and since nearly nobody else even knew that it was a threat they needed to account for or even use themselves, it was able to put in a ton of work
Cybertron's brother used a perfect metagame IV'd (21 in speed) Eruption Heatran on one of the underage division's finals. Totally legitimate, especially since the rest of his team was all shinies too. But that was okay, because acoording to the VGC wizards, the stats were legal, and he was on the same playing field as everyone who played legitimately, who totally had access to a perfect stats mon of this limited distribution event.
I remember reading about these kinds of moves when I was checking out tradebacks (Gen 2 -> Gen 1) on Smogon. Stuff like Lovely Kiss Snorlax. It's amazing that we can take stuff like Wish Chansey into modern day but I feel better or more inclusive move tutors would cut out these headaches.
I'm not sure if this counts but, thanks to a wifi glitch in gen 4 and 5 , it's still possible to obtain some rare event Pokemon and moves. Not only that but you can still trade and battle Pokemon with people from around the world. It's actually pretty cool!
A mention of the legendary dogs would've been cool here. The shiny gamestop dogs all had important moves for the pokemon as a whole (flare blitz entei, aura sphere/weather ball raikou), but they were shiny and nature locked from this event. Raikou was locked to Rash iirc so it couldn't run timid. Luckily in gen 8 they all received access to these moves normally, but this was relevant for gens 4-7 for them
Rash Raikou was fast enough to be a consideration on team building, and was particularly useful on gen 5 UU because there wasn't that many speedsters in that tier.
@@perladel95 Just Drum. ESpeed Linoone used to require a specific Pokemon HOME-like service for Gen 3 games where you got it as a Zigzagoon. In Gen 7, they finally decided to make it an egg move for Zigzagoon
This is what I actually always disliked about Showdown; that it wasn't true to the real games. That said I think Showdown should continue to be a theoretical simulator, I just preferred battling 6v6 (before it was ruined) on cartridge since it was more representative of the games are they are today.
I prefer showdown as it makes thinks more fair imo, someone somewhere MIGHT have a legitimate Chansey with wish, now assuming I wanna get one two, it's literally impossible for me to get one to, so let's just give everyone the ability to have a teleport/wish Chansey
@@bloomallcaps The problem was that prior to Gen 7, getting these Pokes with perfect IVs was next to impossible. There also may be a reason these moves were never added. Wish Chansey/Blissey is a bit OP so that's probably why it's stayed as an Event move.
I would be mad at Nintendo for making competitively relevant things exclusive or unreasonable to obtain instead of Showdown for allowing the rest of us to play with things we had no opportunity to get.
@@definalc3313 Festival Plaza made it super hard to find opponents and the timer in Sw/Sh makes it hard to finish battles. Plus Gen 8 sucks because they removed many Pokemon/moves.
An example of somewhat rare move who was very relevant is curse mega-Scizor. It's only available via emulation of gen 2 games, which have an inner exchange system integrated so you can get Scizor there, and light metal isn't an issue when using a megastone.
PLS I BEG YOU, do other video like this about old moves hard to get, now unusable or impossibile move combination (gen 2 and 3 with egg moves especially) I love that info
4:48 Not necessarily true; there is a tool out there that unlocks the Wi-Fi missions in Ranger: Shadows of Almia and Guardian Signs, so they can still be played.
Now a days, it is TECHNICALLY possible to get Rapid Spin Golem into your modern games by save injecting your old save file into the Virtual Shop games and then transferring them out of there. However, I don't see the showdown overlords approving that anytime soon. There is also the case of someone who coded and created a cable where they were able to trade a Pokemon Directly from a Gen 2 Cartridge into a Gen 3 one. However, what is really the likely hood that someone legitimately has one?
Some dude on RU-vid actually made a gen 2 > gen 3 conversion for Pokémon. It is technically possible to have rapid spin golem, though the legality in tournament is dubious at best.
It probably won’t be able to travel to gen 4 since you couldn’t transfer Pokémon that had moves it considered it shouldn’t have. The game allowed Pokémon from the GameCube games and event Pokémon because those moves were available to them in gen 3. But since that Golem is not from gen 3 then it might not let it go through.
It gets even crazier when you talk about VGC. Follow Me Magmortar is an XD exclusive, so it’s was very difficult to get in-game with good IVs. And eruption heatran was a metagame staple in gen 4/5 because trick room patched the quiet nature issue.
It would be really great if they'd re-release these mons with special moves as events in the newer games, there's a ton of absolutely wild random moves on gen 1 and 2 event mons, they're largely pretty useless but who knows what kinds of crazy shenanigans one could pull off with some of them
While this is not a move, you can make the case that some EV-splits on Hitmonchan and Hitmontop can be considered "rare" under your definition. Many common sets for those Pokemon use an adamant nature with 252 attack EVs and no defense EVs. But it is not actually possible to Evolve an adamant Tyrogue into either Hitmonchan or Hitmontop without giving it at least some defense EVs, as the nature makes it such that it has a higher attack than defense at level 20, which will always cause it to evolve into Hitmonlee. There are ways to get both and adamant Hitmonchan and and adamant Hitmontop without giving them defense EVs through other ways, though. You can soft reset for the gift Hitmonchan in the fighting dojo in FRLG, and you can get Hitmonchan as a shadow Pokemon in Colosseum and transfer it to a GBA game. Without resorting to cheating or RNG abuse, it will take a long time to get the right nature and good IVs. In additon to that, since both of those methods to get an adamant Hitmonchan or Hitmontop only work in gen 3 games, you cannot use their second abilities that were added in gen 3. If the goal of a simlutor was to 100% conform with the legality of the real games, adamant Hitmontop or Hitmonchan without defense EVs shouldn't be allowed to use Technician or Ironfist.
Forgive me if I missed the point, but you can use EV-reducing berries to make all the adjustments you want after evolving. This legality issue would only apply for pre-Emerald ADV metagames, where these berries had no effect, but I don't think anyone cares about those.
I recently chained a shiny voltorb with really good stats. I wanted to use it as a screen setter with reflect and light screen, but as it turns out, voltorb and electrode can only learn reflect in gen 1 and in the let's go games. It's not THAT hard to get, but still really annoying.
well thank god showdown lets you instantaneously get these pokémon without need for the events. I live in a place where events are so rare, we got the diancie one and a few movie-related distributions. I was only able to complete the pokedex in Sun because all mythicals were released via code, still I had to stalk reddit to redeem codes people were giving away there
Another thing to note about this is that because some of these moves are so rare to obtain, they actually can't be used with certain other moves on pokemon showdown. For instance, wish chansey can't use wish and teleport on the same set, which makes the pokemon a fair bit worse than it would otherwise be in gen 8.
It's funny because I have my original copies of Guardian Signs and XD Gale of Darkness so I still have access to these pokemon all these years later. But oh man I remember having to beg my parents to take me to those old Toy's R Us events to get all the Gen 4 events.
Same. I missed out on a bunch of events, but the ones I did get (like a Mew in Leafgreen) were amazing. It's a shame that Nintendo/Game Freak stayed with the event model for so long because it punishes people who didn't have access for the 2 weeks or however long the event lasted. I definitely appreciate Showdown opening up this accessibility again even in a very minute way.
Shout out to all of the ancient pokemon fans that still have these obscure moves I remember reading the event tab in Serebii and thinking how cool some of those movesets are
Its been a while since i have played pokemon casually and i was confused as to why Venusaur doesnt learn Giga Drain. Learning the breeding and egg moves mechanic is so much fun.
Kinda funny that in a tournament that (technically) doesn't allow hackmons, you could get away with these event pokes that had very limited distribution windows. Or even better, use one with a perfect situational 21 IV in speed like cybertron's brother. I guess this is what made Nintendo put in the game-origin rule so they embarrass themselves less when people bring pkhex'd teams into their events hahahah
There's actually a "legit" way to get the wish chansey today. Legit is in quotation marks because it requires some pretty extensive glitches, but essentially you can use the pomeg berry glitch to make a chansey that is identical to the wish chansey from the event, and is very realistic to get it 6IV that way. I guess it depends on if your definition of legit involves glitchless, or if glitches are fine as long as there is no cheating device involved. The youtuber im a blisy has a really good video on it here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NVEax4NHEDk.html
I like that although these were all super rare to have legitimately, you still needed to expect/scout for them even on wifi because literally everyone would hack one or two into their games.
