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Hey dumbass this ain't no joke John Henry Holliday or Doc Holliday who happened to be a licensed dentist is actually my great-uncle a great great uncle the holidays a part of my clan and yes doc wouldn't exactly a good guy per se but he was a good guy to a point he wasn't that bad it's also why I'm related to the Harden's you know John Wesley Hardin now he was a bad guy so before you start putting somebody's family down better do some research and make sure they have no relatives you English piece of s***
@@randyhutchinson9910 its called Consumption because it consumes the person from the inside out and that water hole thing happened when he was young not an adult and he shot into the air nobody was killed nor did he intend to he shot up high into the air as he was taught also the Ed Bailey stabbing seems to not be true either but if it was its self defense
First i didn't know you were that old. Second what the hell does a brit know about it .i have read at least half dozen books on him. He is from my hometown and seems to me he was just a guy that was dealt a s$#t hand in life and tried to make the best of it
@@marck8899 Rather than try to decide which doc holiday was better, Kilmer or Quaid, I agree with you Marc, let's just enjoy the fact that we were able to have two amazing actors play two similar but different versions of the flamboyant and notorious character, so we had two doc holidays to follow on the adventure!!
Gary Kolo agreed! Kilmer was brilliant. His performance was Oscar-worthy, and it was a huge oversight by Hollywood to not recognize it as such. One of the best method acting performances to this day.
Me too ! The BEST "Doc Holliday " ever ! He should have gotten "Best Supporting Actor" for that ! Likewise, Kurt Russell was best " Wyatt Berry Stapp Earp " portrayal ! And Powers Booth was superb as "Curly Bill Brocious" !
Doc did not "go on the run to avoid trouble!" He headed west for his health. The doctor told him that he had to go to a drier climate for his TB, if he wanted to live longer. GEEEEZZZZZ!!!!
Yes. That whole "Shooting a Black Man at a Swimming Hole" was just Bullshit, but made for Good Copy for Trash In Print Rags of that day and current ones as well. Nowhere near an Angel, but not a Man who would not hesitate to commit the Premeditated Murder of an unarmed Man...Black or White. Of course it is well known All We Georgians are Outright & Avowed Racists who still today are just aching to Murder A Black Person. It's been In All The Papers, Dontchaknow
@@dwightcurrie8316 just saying doc wasnt beyond being racist For god sake his big falling out with wyatt was over the fact wyatt fell in love with a jewish woman. He called wyatt a "damn jew boy" Doc Holliday was a product of his time and where he lived Oh sure he probably didnt kill the black guy as this person said- really we only know of 2 people he killed. He did injure tons of people But to say that Doc Holliday wasnt a racist, least by todays standards granted, is simply not true. Not gonna run his story through the streets over it though Doc was a complicated man, and the least worrisome thing about him was his views on non pure white people, compared to his penchant for stabbing or shooting people out of the hope theyd return the favor
@@ConnorNotyerbidness; Fair point that a Son Of Privilege in Georgia at that time was almost by definition a Racist of one form or another & by today's standards Everybody, Southern or not was a Racist. The "Falling Out" with Wyatt was over Josie being Jewish, I've never heard or read anywhere before about that being the cause & would think it was something more serious than that,. Also with Kate being Hungarian and most likely Jewish also adds to my confusion.......but who knows. If you've got a source for that I'd really like to get hold of it. In practically everything I've read, the Falling Out was either not mentioned or no reason was ever given. I consider myself a student of history regarding those days & People, and if I've missed something I'd like to rectify it. Not being Snarky at all, but making an honest request for information I don't have
@@dwightcurrie8316 it was mentioned in a letter by the former new mexico territory governor that when at a restaurant Doc accused wyatt of becoming a "damn jew boy" since doc had seen him touch this thing you are supposed to when entering a jewish home So maybe for all we know the governor was told this happened and it didnt idk, but it was where wyatt and he parted ways Wyatt in his later days only ever spoke highly of Doc, so evidently he got over it. Apparently wyatt also did pull some strings to help doc out when he was arrested on trumped up charges in colorado So evidently wyatt didnt hold a grudge, but still thats apparently what doc said to him
@@ConnorNotyerbidness Thanks. It could be the actual truth, or it could be another politician insinuating him into something he knew nothing about..We'll likely never know....The rest of what you say is verifiably true
What I got from the movie was that doc was a gambler, heavy drinker, damm good with a gun, and very loyal to wyat..he was not a "good" guy...as what we might consider good...but he was loyal. and risked his life to fight, when it had nothing to do with him...
Same here....not sure why ive always has a weird fascination with his personality, the bad guy that does some good at the same time haha im always trying to learn more about him
I'm related to Doc. He's a cousin on his father's side multiple times removed. There is next to nothing in the family archive about him. Nobody realized at the time that he would be a pop culture icon one day I guess.
@@johnnychaos152 and that just adds more intrigue to him for me haha its like what was this dude about? Im sure he didnt think he was gonna be some famous mother, its either good story telling or this cat was way ahead of his time haha
Holliday was probably not much worse (or better) than the average Joe Bloggs in Tombstone. They were rough and tough times and anyone who didn't stand up for themselves would get walked all over. Tough environments often produce tough men.
Pretty sure it was his rare personality and traits that made him an intriguing person even till this day. And his personality is clearly not up for debate. He was either ahead of his time or way behind it hahaha
I know it’s late response, but it’s entirely possible they didn’t think/know that having sex could lead to transferring tuberculosis or ‘consumption’ to someone at the time. The disease was poorly understood back then
@@thatbaldbeardedbastard3143 they knew how it spread but not necessarily its actual cause or how to cure it- Doc holiday stayed at a sulphur spring in colorado later in life thinking itd cure him- spoiler alert, thats one of the worst things he could have done
@@daveconrad6562 suphur is not good for your lungs. Not instantly bad that youd have to worry about it immediately, but if you have pre existing issues it will make it worse So when your lungs barely work due to being full of bacteria, which is the case with TB, it exacerbates several issues
When you're in the next County once removed that is not a suburb! And I would say that those people who have local jobs avoid Atlanta most of the time.
why do we assume that Doc's story as a old west hero was myth or not somehow not true. if accounts are accurate, he was a sick man who nevertheless had the courage to stand with his friends (and possibly die with them) near the OK Coral. To me, risking your life to help your friends is always heroic.
They called on him often for his assistance. Bat Masterson, who called on Doc Holliday many, many times for assistance, seems to have made some negative statements in order to further his career and popularity in NYC. That reflects more poorly on Masterson than on Holliday.
@@MeanJohnDean Are you sure of that John? At time of his death Masterson was writing sports columns for a NYC newspaper. Not taking anything away from him, but he may be another example of the "legend" becoming bigger than the man.
He very well could have known him. Who are you to say what's true & untrue..."TROLLS. LeiAnne can't help that your relatives Just got off the boat and didn't live during that period.
Only in the dreadful Tombstone. Wyatt refused to talk about his violent days and after leaving Arizona he and Holliday never killed anybody again . Doc never killed anybody before Tombstone fracas which didn't happen in the ok corral by the way. There's some doubt as to the man Earp as allegedly killed in Dodge since three others were firing at the same guy. Wyatt often wondered if in all the confusion he killed anybody in Tombstone either. Gunfight took thirty seconds at most. Doc did not run amok firing two pistols either. All eyewitnesses placed Doc almost out in the street with the shotgun. Tom McLaury who Doc killed was unarmed.
Holliday was never officially a "lawman", but helped out his pals when needed. "Lawmen" in the old west tended to be unsavory characters who were valued for their reckless courage and skills with a gun. (When they didn't simply buy the position.) Most of them switched back and forth between cop and robber as it suited them. Wild Bill was one. The Earps had a pretty checkered history in that regard.
In his role as Chief Deputy Marshal, Earp would go after famed train robber, Dave Rudabaugh, following the outlaw’s trail for 400 miles to Fort Griffin, Texas. While there, Wyatt visited the largest saloon in town, Shanssey’s, asking about Rudabaugh. Owner John Shanssey said that Rudabaugh had been there earlier in the week, but didn’t know where he was bound. He directed Wyatt to Doc Holliday who had played cards with Rudabaugh... ...When he returned, Wyatt was made the new town marshal and deputized his brother Morgan. He plagued the courts for more severe sentencing, barred certain men from the town, and organized a “citizens’ committee” of reformers to help watchdog the streets. Source: www.legendsofamerica.com/ks-dodgecity/
That's not true at all..... Doc was indeed a Deputy U.S. Marshall on several occasations in both Kansas and Arizona. Virgil was always the lawman and Wyatt was the one who Virgil would call on and deputize when he needed some muscle, Doc was the one they both called one and deputized when SHTF. This "true story" doesn't mention that the relationship between Doc and Earp's went back even further then even history says it does. during the feud Virgil was a U.S. Marshall and Wyatt and Doc were his deputies, that's why Virgil left after Morgan's murder, he was an official U.S. Marshall and couldn't take any official part in what was about to go down between Wyatt, Doc and "The Cowboys" using the guise of escorting Morgan widow and his own wife Allie, who were also cousins, back to California where they were both from but the actual reason is because he couldn't take part in what was about to happen. That's the difference between Myth and Fact. Doc was never a hero but he wasn't the villian people think he was either, By all accounts, from those who weren't either a lawman or outlaw, Doc was a decent guy who did bad things when he was forced to.
Well, somebody had to be the heroes and since the Earps and Holliday won the gunfight, they're the heroes. Besides, Wyatt managed to get his story on the silver screen first and we all know that if you see it in a movie, it's just got to be true. The story and legend of Doc Holliday is pure Americana! And for what it's worth, Val Kilmer should have won an Oscar for his efforts in Tombstone, period!
Actually, Earp died in 1929, two years before Wyatt Earp: Frontier Marshall was published. It wasn't until the book hit the shelves that Hollywood started messing with him.
Clothahump1 - Okay, point taken. However, I still haven't seen a movie titled, "Ike Clanton, Cowboy Rustler and guy who attended gunfights without a gun..." Earp still had his story in Hollywood first which made him the Hero, along with his brothers and, of course, Doc Holliday.
I totally agree about Kilmer winning best supporting actor. At the time in 1994, folks were surprised that he was not nominated. Out of curiosity, I looked up who was nominated and who won. I expected to find someone we have long forgotten. The winner? Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive. Hard to argue that even today, but I still wish Kilmer had been at least nominated.
As with any history there r varying reports so let's apply logic based on people, time period and circumstances. Ike Clanton, having by pretty much all accounts, called out or fueded w the Earps shows up unarmed? Doubtful if not laughable. Doc was portrayed pretty accurately in spirit in Tombstone. He was not a good guy in the movie, just a loyal friend who was a violent, intelligent infamous substance abusing, sick cheat in other facets of his life. Ringo was portrayed as a psychopath which he seemed to be historically. The river scene with Earp had other witnesses historically. Documentary? Nope. But true to events in spirit and highly entertaining? Yes indeed.
They say when Vel Kilmer found out he got the roll of Doc. he studied Doc's history, mannerisms and personality so he could get him as right as possible. So if you watched the film you probably seen Doc holaday as close as anyone ever portrayed him.
I have seen this movie many times and enjoy it more and more each time I watch it. I also went to Tombstone, Arizona and stayed several days to see the sights. Going into the Bird Cage was a very creepy experience. I felt I was being watched the whole time I was in it. I also bought a $10.00 Bird Cage coin as a souvenir. Great movie and a great town with history to visit.
Simon Whistler is a half-assed "historian", with some truths, but also some "Twilight Zone" science-fiction ! The story of Hidalgo Francisco is a highly exaggerated fairy-tale.Yes, Major Henry B. Holliday did bring a young boy home with him at end of the Mexican War,1848 and age 13. But he evidently left the Holliday family in 1850, age 15. JOHN HENRY WAS NOT BORN UNTIL AUGUST 14, 1851. Pretty neat trick to teach someone who wasn't yet conceived how to "quick-draw" ~ Which term is also fiction, highly exaggerated by Hollywood movies. The so-called "fast-draw"was non-existent , a gunman did not "draw" a pistol, it was "pulled". And a man-killer "took his time,in a hurry". And this Englishman , Simon Whistler (who talks too fast) is a gullible fool if he believes a 13-15 year old kid could teach someone how to become "the quickest draw in the West "! LMAO ! Nor did Doc fire the first "bullet". This was most likely done by Wyatt Earp who knew Frank McLaury was the deadlier gunman among the Clanton gang, so fired on him first. Doc's first 2 shots were not bullets , but buckshot loads from his shotgun, killing Tom McLaury.Total kills by Wyatt never exceeded 4-5, whereas Doc's numbered about 5-6. What made Doc Holliday the deadliest gunman of the West, was the fact that he was dying of "consumption" (TB), and didn't care if he might die in a shootout ~ but he would take you with him, which was a HUGE psychological advantage over any gunman who fought to live. It was scary as hell to buck a man who did not care if he lived or died ! Doc may not have been "a hero", but was certainly NOT an outlaw or badman. Btw , Doc did NOT kill any young Blacks swimming in the Withlacoochee River, in Georgia. He fired over their heads to scare them off. The story of several killed and many wounded was a fabrication by Bat Masterson, fond of telling tall tales and who personally disliked Doc, (and impossible to do with a six-shot revolver! )
The photo you show of "DOC" when talking about Dallas, TX ain't John Henry "Doc" Holliday, that is a man by the name John Escapule, who's great grandson Dustin "Dusty" Escapule, s the Mayor of Tombstone, AZ. Figured you folks would get facts straight before putting nonsense out, but clearly facts don't matter!
I agree, I’ve read many many books on Earp and Holliday and even the town of Tombstone. It’d be nice if this guy had. It’s a mash up of a few facts, pop cultures view of things, and his opinions all mixed together. Really lowers my opinion of this guys videos going forward.
@@comettamer If you're going to do something based on historical figures you'd better do research first. It really isn't that hard and just shows laziness on his part.
@@wysper6512 cool, i guess. My life matters to me and only me, because the truth is nobody cares about you but you, they just pretend to get what they want from you !
My great great great (?)grandmother said she’d rather have her teeth rot than have Doc work on her teeth. Her husband was the supreme court justice Fletcher Doan.. he was the judge on Pearl Hart case.
Thank you! It's nice to hear the life story of an old family friend. Wyatt Earp (and his brothers) are my double first cousins, four generations removed. My gr.-gr.-grandfather's parents and Wyatt's parents were brothers who married sisters from the farm down the road. That essentially makes the cousins genetically siblings, all of them having the same ancestors. My mother inherited the same exact eyes as Wyatt Earp, and I can tell you, those eyes are pretty damn scary when they are looking at you in anger!
I loved "Tombstone. I'm not a big western fan, but that was one I enjoyed. Val Kilmer gained my respect as an actor for that role. Michael Biehn did pretty well too. I'll say "Heat" was my 2nd favorite where Val stood out. He had me rolling when he twirled his tin cup😂😂. What a tough time period to live in.
n. p. Kate deserves an episode on this channel. She remarried, divorced, ran a bakery and at the age of 80 went into an old people's home ( which she virtually ended up running) . She died in 1940, 5 days before her 90th birthday. The photo in this video shows her at 50.
n. p., why my good fellow , here's a link to a 9 minute video chronicling her life. Enjoy :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ahj4vEORbjU.html
The film didn't portray Doc Holiday as a "Good Guy". His introduction scene was him shanking a man over a game that Doc may have cheated on and then he and his woman proceed to rob the gambling hall all Bonny and Clyde style. Doc definitely lived a life of Lawless Sin and Bloodshed that much is certain but in the town of Tombstone, he seemed to find some form of redemption in befriending and helping Wyatt Eurp.
Doc was a real dentist, but didn't care for it...he moved west, became the gunslinger we know, and didn't care what anyone thought...he really was friends with Wyatt and thought the world of him...
I‘ve read several bios of the Earps and Doc, and they all said that Doc loved being a dentist. Medicine, the military, law and politics were among the few professions that were socially acceptable for members of prominent Southern families in the post-Civil War era. Former slave-owning families now had to find other ways to make a living, yet were still conscious of their social status, so Doc was in a good place as a dentist. As Little Miss Dysthymia said, he left dentistry and Georgia because of his illness and a desire to prolong his life in a dry climate, not because he didn’t care for his profession. From what I remember, had even written a paper about dental diseases. However, having lived there for many uears, while Dallas may be drier than southern Georgia, nobody should move there expecting a dry climate.
@Vincent Gonzales Wyatt and Doc met for the last time in 1885, two years before Doc's death, when they ran into each other in a hotel in Colorado. By this time Doc was already in very bad shape and Wyatt was devastated because knew he would never see Doc again.
@@victorbrunswick id like to hear more about that meeting....i know in the movie wyatt came to see him that one last time. Always wondered if doc actually told him to leave him alone
Wow! I’ve been reading and studying this story of doc Earp for years and still can’t make any claims as sure as this gentleman has...fact was that Wyatt was probably the only real friend doc had and back then your friends helped keep you alive- besides why would Wyatt lie about doc saving his life? There’s no claims that Wyatt or doc were saints, but doc was a hurting man with only one friend and Wyatt was a frontier lawman...he was mean and struck first to stay alive (of course Wyatt went a bit loco hunting down his brothers killers after, but calmed down after moving to California) also if Wyatt was lying about doc, he did so after they had a falling out, again why? His legend was strong enough on its own...lastly all the newspaper reporters were biased on both sides, Democrats vs Republican, was interesting because the pro republicans back Earp and Holidays story on Ok corral shoot out...ok, done nerding on for now, lol
You’re like the only person with a good interpretation. Not sure where he gets the Earp lying type story. Have read plenty of Earp biographies and accounts and have yet to heard this…. Seems he’s pulling some strings without a puppet on the end
Looking at the thumbnail, micheal biehn looked so much more like doc than val kilmer. And its originally the character micheal wanted to play. It's a good thing kilmer got the role though because not only did he steal the show, it was his best role ever besides playing jim morrison in the doors
Georgia Florida border you referenced was the town Valdosta Georgia. The house he lived in as a boy in Valdosta was moved and refurbished along time ago.
I am related to the doctor that sent doc Holiday west.A very historical doctor not many historians mention.This doctor was also with Sam Houston at the battle of San Jacinta.
His family came to America in early 1600s. The Holliday’/Holladay’s settled in Spotsylvania VA. The came from England. It was late 1400 to early 1500 that the Holyfay was created in Scotland
Doc used to kick her ass on a regular basis. There are several court records showing his arrests for domestic battery, two of which were actually by Virgil Earp. Doc and Kate had a very volatile relationship that turned violent quite often. They touch on it slightly in the Costner film but it is completely left out of Tombstone.
I think wyatt had a bad side that made him relate and respect doc....i think doc had a good side that he could relate to wyatt....and that breeds respect and then loyalty. Also a badass duo
I think it's funny how Johnny Ringo never faced off against Holiday. The only thing that happened between Ringo and Holiday was Holiday stopped an argument between Earp and Ringo.
@learn2 farm i think he just didnt like the ones who lived to kill and bully so he would fuck with their heads a bit, but probably wasnt ever looking to hurt anyone
Well, shucks pard. You got the year of Doc's birth correct. FAR-oh (spelled Faro) is pronounced FARE-oh. Incidentally, finding truth in TRUE WEST magazine is like finding a needle in a haystack.
True that the game faro is pronounced like "pharaoh " in Egypt, ~ and True West magazine is mostly full of truth on the Old West. Btw, a lot of books print a photo of a fat, ugly woman and say it's Doc's on-again-off-again lover Mary Katherine "Big Nose Kate" Harony from Hungary. AKA "Kate Fisher"/aka "Kate Elder'/aka "Kate Holliday"~ BUT IT IS NOT HER ! KATE HARONY WAS SLENDER AND RATHER PRETTY. She got the nickname from being nosy about other people's business, NOT because of having a large nose. Ironically, the fat & ugly one was a brothel madam called "Nosy Kate"~ and she DID have a large nose !
I was looking for a Doc Holliday bio and saw yours ., having seen many of you videos before I immediately cliicked on it . Once again your well prepared and delivered video was spot on !
When you look closely at the characters of the old West, you realize there really were no “good guys” or “bad guys” only winners and losers, and history is written by the winners.
Umm...Almost everybody was a racist. He was from Georgia during and after the Civil War. Earp was from Illinois. His brothers fought for the Union. Is there any doubt that Earp was a racist? TR, FDR, Woodrow Wilson, Warren G. Harding. All racists. No doubt Caesar was a racist. Probably Shakespeare as well if you'd asked him. You may as well just forget about history I guess.
feefee bee Basically, anyone born and raised prior to the great awakening of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS was, is and always will have just a wee touch of racism.
I feel obligated to mention that of all the pictures in your video, only one is actually Doc. It's the one of the Sandy haired young man. The picture in your thumbnail, is actually John Escapule, a Tombstone merchant.
This is great. Some British liberal re-writing our history for us while conveniently discrediting an American legend. What does this clown know? He acts like he was around in the 1800s.
A nice addition to this story would be the tale about how Bat Masterson, as a town marshal in Colorado, was able to save Doc Holliday from being extradited to Arizona on a murder warrant. Masterson chumped up some bogus charges on Holliday in Pueblo so Holliday could be initially held in Colorado. Then Masterson pulled sway with the Governor of Colorado and was able to get the governor to deny extradition on a technicality. The ruse lasted until Holliday's death in Glenwood Springs 5 years later.
Why O why does everything have to be rushed through these days.. A slower pace of life involves people actually think and use their brains more.. Slow down or just captions.
Well that was watered down. There was so much more to Doc's life that explains his lack of regard for life especially his own. When you know all of his story you start to understand why he did the things he did. I'm not justifying his actions, I'm just saying that he had misguided reasons.
As a descendant of doc holliday on my moms side yes we tracked the family tree back just two generations before doc holliday also have an uncle that used this name as a teen always love hearing about "doc holliday".
DR.JOHN "DOC" Holiday, studied dental surgery at the university of Pennsylvania school of dental medicine , Hayden hall was the original building on campus before they Re-located the school at 240.S. 40th street, in Philadelphia Pennsylvania.
So pitifully full of mis-information. The full-front photo of a handsome, dark haired man, is that of John Escapule, an ancestor of the current mayor of Tombstone, as an example.
Not sure where you got the idea that somebody thought Doc Holiday was a goody two shoes. In the movie, he cheats at the card table, shanks a guy, then robs the establishment and leaves. He seems to despise the cocky bandits, and helping friends is his priority, as much as settling personal scores. But yes, he never missed a gun fight.
