Thanks for tuning in! What do you think of this story? Huge shoutout to Sarah Weinman who has done an incredible amount of work to bring this tragic story to light.
Women were seen as less than men This is why people say that tradwife shit is awful. (Obviously not the trend but rather thinking the 1950s were "a better time.")
You should read the book yourself. Lolita had a history of flirting and acting sexual towards anyone her mother dated. It was like a competition to Lolita. Not that she knew any better but she was over sexualized and had likely been molested early in her life that the dude wouldn't have known about. But Lolita was an over sexualized child. She was consciously attempting to seduce him to use as manipulation. But she didn't count on her mother dying and losing the protection of her mother's presence
Absolutely. Even now, probation and length of the sentence doesn’t seem to reflect the risk of recidivism or its impact on the community. Otherwise raping a child should carry a similar sentence to first degree murder, instead of being treated lighter than possession of weed.
I felt the same. She forgave her pre-teen daughter for being abducted and assaulted. Disgusting woman. I wonder how hard it would have been to move to another town so her daughter could have a normal life?
Giving her the benefit of the doubt, I believe that she may have meant the "sex" part of the abduction. Since Sally was so ashamed of "what she did," and so many victims of rape are, that her mom may have forgiven her as a way to help her move on. I don't think it necessarily implies that she forgives her for getting abducted, despite her stealing being the catalyst of everything, but forgives her for "going along" with the "sex." She could 100% being be speaking out of turn, or maybe she's just trying to placate the media by saying what they wanted to hear, but I think it's hard to understand for her too. The mindset of someone so terrified to say anything for almost a year only until it was coaxed out of her by someone who really went above and beyond to help is really difficult to understand, especially for the time where mental health education is practically nonexistant. Plus, she's probably reckoning with the idea that she failed as a parent, and that she didn't prepare her child to stand up for herself, and it all stemmed from stealing a notebook for a chance to be popular. I'm sure Sally thought many times throughout her time "Why did I steal? I wouldn't be here if I didn't steal." The mother is a victim too, and should have her own mental health accounted for.
@@xVibrado you mean like maybe it was just a reassurance, like 'i forgive you even though there's nothing to forgive'? Cause ngl if that was the case I can 100% see how she could have meant that to help the poor kid with how guilty she felt over the whole thing ..
@@finn_in_the_bin5263 I think it's along the lines of forgiving her for doing something awful in order to survive. Even though it's completely out of her control, she's been made to feel as though it's all her fault, and forgiving her is the mom's way of helping her move on. It's less so forgiveness and more so just being understanding. In a way, even if it's not really the best way of handling it, framing it like it's something they can learn from is much better than leaving the victim fearful that there's just another off chance they'll be attacked and there's nothing they can do to stop it. It'll just leave you paranoid and traumatized, and judging by her being able to go somewhere on her own as a teenager after the fact shows it may have helped her a lot. I just think that if the media was as uncharitable as they were towards Sally, then they can be just as uncharitable towards the mother. You don't have to compromise anything by affording someone you don't know some grace that they meant well, especially since it was over 70 years ago, and it's not something people go through every day.
I agree. And it seems like the mother never learned a lesson either. She allowed her daughter again too much freedom for a girl that age and it finally cost her, her daughters life. The mother was 1000% to blame
Right?! I was like wait, this is the same woman who let her daughter go off with some random strangers for an alleged holiday because she couldn't afford to give her one and never vetted them first? Sometimes I'm glad that my parents were overprotective of me and wouldn't let me go anywhere or with anyone they didn't know and hadn't met first. Even then they were still wary depending on who it was.
"Can you imagine that this girl finally gets the courage to tell someone the truth and they blame her for what has happened to her?" I don't have to imagine it. It's all too common, even today. Victim-blaming has never gone out of style.
@@TheGreat973 she told both a friend from school and an adult neighbor. I'm not sure who you guys are talking about but thr adult neighbor is the one who called the cops so I'd assume she didn't blame the victim
it happens to every girl and woman :( it’s so effed up how people need to have a “justifiable reason” to just tell you what you went through was not okay and that you deserve to keep your body to yourself. they always have a reason to point the finger at you and blame you for what happened to you as a child.
Fuck, my house was robbed and it felt like the whole time everyone just blamed me. Never my brother. No, he got all the sympathy and I had everyone telling me I should have had a dog or a gun.
Yep, it's still very common today. I was SA'd at 13/14 and because I was a teen people labeled it as if this older man and I had had an "affair" not that he had abused me. Plus it was brought up to me, 'well why didn't you say something sooner?' Hmm, let's see, because I thought I would be blamed ... and I was right.
It's crazy to me how I've always heard about " Lolita" as this Teenage Temptress who seduced this quiet, bookish, bachelor into being her lover and taking her on a road trip. When in fact the man was a pedophile who kidnapped a underaged girl. It's insane how things got so twisted over the years.
I read the book quite a few years ago. Never seen the movie, but the book definitely does not portray her as a seductress. Yes, she does have a crush on Humbert, but he is clearly the one that takes it to an inappropriate level. It is a sickening read, but it does put you in the mind set of these creeps, & how they justify their actions.
"Lolita" isn't even her name. It's a name Humbert Humbert gives her. It's the idealized girl-child of his dreams. The character's real name is Dolores. Lola was considered a nickname for Dolores.
The book and film are from Humbert point of view and he's an unreliable narrator. HE sees her as a nymphet who seduced him. If you read between the lines you realize he's justifying his terrible actions after the fact and you never hear this traumatized girl's side of this story .
Nabokov even has the preface to the book, along with Humbert Humbert himself stating that the case is monstrous and that he's vile and evil. How ANYONE can possibly read that book and take a "love story" from it just boggles my mind.🤮
The point of the book was to show how someone can justify and excuse their actions, no matter how vile. I imagine it's pretty easy if you are looking for justification and excuses....
men will sell any idea just to make themselves feel less guilty for lusting after little girls - even selling this as a love story, or selling lolita as the evil seductress and ultimate villain of the story.
Many people see their teachers and adults in their life as teens as potential "options." There's many people who would've loved to be with the hot teacher and treat them as the one who got away when they get older, and vicariously live out that fantasy through the framework of Lolita. When you're a teen, you see teachers as off limits despite what you may feel, and you implicitly believe they wouldn't want you either, so to think there's a way to charm them so well that they fall in love with you and you get thie idyllic, yet unorthodox, love story; that's what people see in Lolita. It's also a coming of age story where usually boys start working and become the man of the house. Girls don't really get one where they necessarily wield power though. The power to charm people, even authority figures who would risk going to prison for you, is respectable, especially at such a young age. Not respectable in a necessarily good way, but in the way that you respect a bear. You respect it because it's strong and could hurt you. It's also someone you wouldn't expect, so it's a unique story. It makes sense why the media peddled the idea that she "asked for it" or that she was complicit with the abduction, because of the respect you have for the unsuspecting prey actually being the wolf in sheeps clothing. They don't care what the truth is, they know what they want the truth to be, and it's why people get sucked into that fantasy. They're telling stories in the media rather than the truth.
So we all clear she didn’t have appendicitis right? It was a common cover at the time to claim appendicitis, but what really happened was an abortion. And I think that explains her mood change far more.
@@hoodpriestessphilosophyNabokov used the case as inspiration. Humbert was a delusional mess who talked himself into believing he was Lolita’s White Knight. Nabokov really had a lot of insight into the workings of the human mind.
The fact that Sally's mother let her go on a mini vacation with another young girl. Both girls without any type of adult supervision. It is incredibly perplexing to me. Why on earth would any decent parent(s) allow their child, who has recently returned home, after being kidnapped for several months. Believe that it would be an okay idea to just let her leave for several days? Something was not right with that mother. There is no way that I would allow my child out of my sight, if something like that had happened to him. I would not smother my kid. But I damn sure wouldn't let him travel alone. What a sad story.
The mother is obviously not as smart or as caring as she should be. I would of been raising hell if my kid was missing overnight. This woman was not. I bet the kidnapper figured out the mother and saw he had a great chance here.
It terrifies me how normalised the whole Lolita thing is now. This case is exactly what the consequences can be, way too easily. Dear God that poor child. Talk about horrors. What a complete monster. Very well done, thank you:)
9:13 no such thing as an "underage woman"; that's a minor, that's a girl. Women are adults. (i know this was not an intentional phrasing, this is a great video, I just hear this phrasing sometimes and it rubs me the wrong way with its ambiguity.)
Yes I noticed this too and corrected it out loud to myself haha. We all need to be so careful with our wording and phrasing and really think hard about the phrase "underage woman" and how those two words do not go together!
Nabokov did not shy away from showing how HH destroyed Lolita. The claustrophobic relationship, her inability to make or keep friends without HH perving on them too. Her hatred of him. I love that she turned him down in the end and didnt sht away from telling him she never loved him.
Even though I am am adult, this creep is attempting to groom me. Saying they love me after only seeing me 3 times!!! I can't believe they expect me to give them money...they had an extra tv and just brought it to me then took it back after I didn't give them money They were yelling at me saying I wanted things free!! This creep also cleaned their shifty toilet, didn't wash their hands, picked at their face then went to cook food. They attempted to drain the go food, wings fell into the sink onto dirty dishes and they just threw the wings back into the pan to eat, disgusting!!!!! I've never seen a grown man so disgusting!!! They came downstairs, saw me and came to try and make up, BS. I do have a few things they gave me that I'm NOT giving back!!!
Sally must have been so scared when she was rescued and the authorities didn’t let her see her family because that’s exactly what frank claimed to be doing. It’s like frank saying he was FBI and not letting her see her family, and she must be thinking how do I know these people aren’t in cahoots with frank
Pop culture's interpretations of a lolita is disturbingly tragic once I've seen the original stories of Dolores and Sally. It's been twisted into this 'child-seductress' image that has me utterly confused because it's so distanced from the originals. Thank you so much for making this video! It was very informative,
Or even checked out that he was actually the father of whichever friend Sally claimed he was…? Like, why was it only Sally and the man on the train when she dropped her off? Where is the mother, other child etc!? That’s such a flashing red flag that at that point it just seem like wilful ignorance.
What’s shocking is how the movie “fantasied” such tragic incident of Sally. They made it into a “romantic” story based on the true story of “kidnapping”… how disturbing…
@Lavender I don’t understand why people do not see or read the book for what it really is it’s his perverted distortion of the little girl a fantasy she was not some child seductress she was a victim the movie is Based on his twisted version of the events
The movie raised Dolores's age from what it was in the book because they never would have been allowed to put it on screen as it was. One unfortunate side-effect of that was that people were less shocked at Humbert preying on a 16-17 year old girl than they would have been if she was 12 like in the novel.
I wish I could give Sally a hug and get to know her. Her life was so awful and sad and it's such a shame that poor girl had to go through so much trauma and pain. Bless Sally Horner and may she rest in sweet gentle peace
I know someone who was held captive from 11-13 years old by an adult male in the 90’s and the victim blaming was very bad for this person too. When they did get rescued & moved in with their grandparents they were told to never talk about it cause people would think they were weird. She was told repeatedly by the adults in her life that it was her fault. It is so sad how people victim blame. A child should never have to go through this. Not matter what they did they were forced & manipulated into it.
@@Oliver-Closeoff You're lucky that you haven't seen the amount of people blaming the victim and not the abuser, it's far too common. You can even find it in the comment section.
I can’t believe after all that she went through she died in such a tragic way. I hope she really did enjoy that final week away brought her so much joy. 😭
This case was absolutely heartbreaking!!! I will NEVER understand people!! It absolutely sickens me what he did to that little girl!! My heart goes out to her mother!!! I feel so sorry for her mother!! Bless Sally's heart!! This is absolutely pitiful!!! Off topic thank you so much for a extremely interesting case!!! I genuinely appreciate it!!
@@matterofcrimemedia It's truly a tragedy!! My heart truly does break for Sally!! Quite honestly I sit here with tears in my eyes because it's horrible!!! I find it sickening for a grown man to have a facination over a little girl!!!
@@vampirequeen953 It's especially gross when you look at how the whole "Lolita Aesthetic" has become such a big thing in popular culture and it's romanticising these young girls! Awful!
@@matterofcrimemedia Absolutely!! I'll NEVER understand!! It literally makes me nauseous to my stomach 🤢🤢 l genuinely feel so sorry for those LITTLE girls!!!
HOW/WHO made victim blaming a thing ? How is this little girl or any other little girl a temptress. The better question is WHY ARE MEN LOOKING AT ADOLESCENT GIRLS IN A SEXUAL OR ATTRACTIVE MANNER ?!?!
I suspect it came from adults (*cough* men *cough*) who don’t want to be held solely responsible for the act of grooming a child with the intention of raping them.
Seriously? This woman gave her daughter away to a complete stranger and middle aged man? And it took her six weeks before it rases her suspiciousness???
My mother tried to "marry me off" when I was 8. She worked for extremely powerful men, and I remember her showing me photos of some of her chosen candidates. All I remember after that was feeling deeply sick to my stomach. Thankfully it never happened, but the idea was a regular topic of discussion by her...and that was only the tip of the iceberg. Later on, I found out she's a narcissist, so that explained a lot.
The victim blaming was standard practice back then. My mother's generation always viewed child molestation as the child's fault. The man was considered a victim of a seducing child.
Yep. My mother was molested for years by her brother-in-law, starting at 11yrs old in the early 1960s. When she finally told her sister (the BIL’s wife) & my grandmother a few years later, they both blamed my mom, a CHILD, and accused her of trying to “steal” him. I think that when his own daughters started coming forward to admit he’d done the same to them, the family finally changed their tune. My uncle eventually agreed to go to some kind of rehab for sexual deviants, but that was it. The family pretty much pretended it never happened after that. My grandmother & my mom both stayed friends with him after my aunt divorced him, and I grew up with him in my life as well. He never acted inappropriately with me, but still. Thinking on all this now, I’m like “WTF????”
@@missdenisebeeEven in the 80s, I had a friend who was like 14 and my mother said she, "had sex with grown men"!! There was no thought that grown men were taking advantage of her!!
I’m in my mid fifties and saw the Stanley Kubrick movie back when it came out and it was sick, making her out to be a seductress. It makes me so sad to think that our society has come no further than this, especially these young people who should know better than to be so dismissive of abuse. It really sickens me. I’m very glad you addressed that in your video.
The book more of implies the girl was very young and just discovering her sexuality could have certain power over men. She teased the professor some and he got stuck on her bad. But the book really shows that she was a kid and not understanding adult situations yet. The book really does a good job of stressing the wrongness of his actions. Nabakov even has the man figure out by the end how he was a sinner and evil. It is obvious at the end he realized he had taken a beautiful flower and soiled it. Nabakov also was sexually abused by his Uncle in real life. He in no way was trying to make the idea of relationships with a young beautiful girl intreging. He just humanized the villian all too well. If you want to go down an amazing rabbit hole watch all these mini videos. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-spTUa41pzoY.html Thank me later. You will be shocked.
The 1962 film had quite a bit to do with the perversion of this true story. Sue Lyon, the 14 year old actress who played Lolita stated: stated “My destruction as a person dates from that movie. Lolita exposed me to temptations no girl of that age should undergo. I defy any pretty girl who is rocketed to stardom at 14 in a sex nymphet role to stay on a level path thereafter."
I guess you never heard of the "casting couch"? (Lots of young ladies probably did MANY "unspeakable" things in order to get THEIR "asses" kissed as STARS. (Also known as "The Beautiful People" or "Jet Set") No doubt a straight man in a movie or TV show may have had to get "down on HIS knees" to pleasure some director/producer/Hollywood mogul in order to get that "coveted part". Tragically more than one PARENT also sacrificed their own offspring for such "lucrative deals"....Underneath that "glamorous tinsel" of "Hollywood/The entertainment industry, are things often NOT too pretty to look at. But perhaps be THANKFUL that such things are done? Many people would have died of boredom had not "Hollywood" come to Entertain them, or give many people something to feel better about themselves as they stood in a grocery store checkout line perusing a copy of People Magazine or the National Enquirer.🙄
What was Lyons adult life like? What " temptations" was she presented with? Did she continue her acting career? Always wondered about Brooke Sheilds as she was subjected to similar experiences.
I do want to say, while Nabokov could've used this story as inspiration, he had written a short story (The Enchanter) in 1939 (though it wasn't published until after he died) that had the same ideas that sets up the Lolita plot (it does differ in ending and other things, but very similar). I think the reason a lot of people think he used this tragedy as the basis is because he literally references it in the book (as you said) stating "Had I not done to Dolly, perhaps, what Frank Lasalle, a fifty year old mechanic, had done to eleven year old Sally Horner in 1948? (Nabokov, Ch 33)." So while I think he might've got some ideas from it/ other references to it, I wouldn't really be comfortable saying that this is the "real" story behind the novel, simply two stories of terrible men doing terrible things to young girls. (I also think her story should be told on her own terms, in reference only to herself, rather than in conjunction with a different fictional story that has been misinterpreted/romanticized many times) Great video though! You present the facts clearly and thoroughly about the tragedy this young girl had to go through, and how the people around her helped or continued to hurt her and the stigmas of the 40s-50s. I am glad to have now learned more about this case. Very nice!
@@mistiroberts1576i would not call a 10 year old a "woman", and if you do, maybe reconsider. being a woman, as opposed to a girl, is about emotional and physical maturity, not about blood.
I knew someone who told me that they never even finished half of the book and also being mislead into reading it for being "witty". I avoided the book at all costs and then this video gave me closure. I thought Nabokov is a creep but it's actually the opposite that's true. It's awful that pop culture romanticized the title and it also sucks that there's people that view it as "romance".
What a time that was... Being called by a totally strange man who informs you that he's taking your child on a vacation and the only thing you have to say is "have fun!" 😨
I blame Kubrick for the entire esthetic and pop culture misconception around it. Even the teaser for the film plays a childish pop song, shows parts of the body of Sue Lyon in provocative poses, the stupid heart glasses and lots of cuts of characters saying her nickname like hailing her, a nickname Humbert Humbert makes clear is secret, in a thrilling montage. Kubrick is super respectable in many aspects of his artwork but his love for shock value didn't age well.
I'm not a therapist, but it seemed like this poor girl who never got to work through her trauma, chose to go on another "wild vacation" to try and "correct" the experience. But sadly that led her to even greater trouble. If only trauma therapy existed at the time 😔
Thanks for telling this story. I found it really interesting and compelling, as well as so terribly sad. And wow, the amount of victim blaming is absolutely vile.
I’m very disappointed in this society. before, during, and after things got much better, people still sexualizing this types of topics and it makes me sick. I feel so bad for Sally that I almost cried when her and her mother reunited. Rest In Peace, Sally Horner. ❤️
Randomly came across this channel and it didn't take me long at all to subscribe. I'm so glad you covered this case as it was so heartbreaking and not spoken about enough.
Okay but get this right. My English teacher in high school WORSHIPPED Lolita and not just the book but the movie. She had posters of it all over her classroom. She also MARRIED her high school math teacher. How that was allowed in the classroom I don’t know but it was so gross.
Pardon the pun (and it is intended) but your channel is criminally under rated and really with how thoroughly you go through this case i am impressed. I have a weird history with lolita and have a life story where my teenage years were very very similar to the end of Delores’ story. So when i came across the video of “Real Lolita” i was curious. Your script and research is so well done. Thank you for the work you’ve done. I can’t wait to see more.
Thank you so much for your kind words and support!!! I’m incredibly sorry to hear you had any kind of experience relating to that of Delores. The story is horrendous so I hope you’re doing ok x
This is just extra side info: There is a fashion called Lolita Fashion but it’s in no way related to this book or what happened to that poor girl. It was named that due to a translation error. The fashion and aesthetic that IS based on this book and the movie adaptations from it is named Nymphette fashion. Which is disgusting because the name is putting the blame on the victim, but also very distinct. So if you see people in big frilly dresses that look almost Victorian that is Lolita fashion and IS NOT related to the novel in any way.
A small comment about the lolita aesthetic. Almost everyone I know who uses that style and participates in the tea party culture uses the doll like aesthetic to take power back to do something girly and pretty for each other as women. The people who are really into lolita style do no fetishize the style.
The lolita style is also nothing to do with the book. It's a Japanese movement about being girly in an unappealing way to men. (It's been years since I researched it but that's what I remember the gist being)
@vainpiers it's got a little to do with the book. My friend who basically lives in Lolita fashion went off on a rant to a newbie online who tried to say the book had nothing to do with the fashion. I can't remember point for point what she said, but there are definitely pockets of the community who consider it relevant as something their clothes are response/rejection to.
Yeah, it's an understandable but very unfortunate mix up! There is an aesthetic based on the Kubrick movie (I think it's called "loli") but it is not at all the same as the lolita style.
I’m from Japan. The women themselves don’t typically but it is a sexualized style and women who partake in dressing like little girls whilst showing cleavage and mini ruffle dresses, you are absolutely part of the problem and need to stop deflecting and take accountability.
We've come a long way as a society when it comes to victim blaming and the treatment of abused people. Hopefully we keep improving in that area. I want to cry for the poor scared little girl.
Nearly a 90s Lolita When I was 13 I couldn’t walk back from school without being, literally screamed at by groups of men on any worksite or in cars. It was scary. Work men could loudly and publicly sexually harass women on a public street back then without risking anything! I fantasised about hurting them. But it was all I could do to keep from crying. Some fathers in my neighbourhood would say inappropriate things to me and openly make jokes like, “glad she doesn’t come over to play at MY kids house haw haw haw”. Even heard myself called a Lolita. my father had recently passed away and I was petrified of adult men as anything other than father figures. I went on an exchange program to Scotland at 14. The father got too close, constantly making inappropriate comments, even touching me and telling me to come out and meet him alone at night “ like a real woman”. F that! I went to a woman who was a family friend, staying in Scotland at the time, and told her. She took me back to the house of my wannabe abuser, but said that she would get in touch with the people who ran the program. The woman who managed the program locally spoke to me and told me to “just avoid him”. Nobody wanted to bother my mother back home apparently. Or the host family. I told My mother when I returned. She called up the mother of the family who refused to believe it. That was it. So I figured it was my fault for going through puberty. I basically stopped eating for two years. I used bandages to flatten my chest. I hid my body as if it was my fault that I had one and men wanted to touch it. I don’t think that pervert was ever even spoken to. That was just the 90s. Decades later I told the company I did the exchange program with (again) YFU and they kept asking me to email it to another person in the company. After the fourth email I gave up. I’m fortunate that, at that age, I had the wherewithal and enough self-respect not to listen to all of what the sick men said. I was not persuaded. I was repelled. I couldn’t even be interested in a boy my own age for years. However I did internalise the pain of being forced into the role of mindless sex object overnight. When I got older, I got over it. I wore whatever I wanted. I have always had a look that encouraged some people to Believe I was dressed, or somehow appeared, in an overly sexy manner even if I’m wearing a loosefitting long dress. IDK Maybe I am “sexy“? If so, a lot of people don’t like that. Especially women? As an adult, it can be a good thing/it can be a bad thing. I’m celibate either way. And if people judge me as being too (whatever), who cares. But I’ll skin a MF who objectifies and dehumanises my daughter. And I would protect any girl who came to me and told me that she felt in danger by a predator. I have a sneaking suspicion, and an understanding, of the Gothic “Lolita“ image as partially being a rebellious, deadly character version of survivors of childhood perv abuse. Like rather than a glamorisation cp, it’s a glamorisation of a dangerous woman in the guise of a child , ready to take someone down. Like a perv trap. However, in Marilyn Manson’s “heart-shaped glasses“ video. It’s definitely pro-abuse
This is what pisses me off the most. 🤬 After ALL that TRUAMA and persistent BULLYING after the accident all those Hypocrites pay their respects like they were family. That’s even more messed up after this entire case… 🤧 Wtf is wrong with people?! And wtf is this world becoming to?! 😤
@@whatever7588 wanted to say the same but you already did! People use the term "nowadays" so often while its rarely wright. Like people were so more friendly, les harmfull and had more respect for each other in all of times before now. I even think it was less! And people will do people stuff. They/we always have and always will do so. So if you look at this phylosophicly its only in our own perspective what is good or wrong. But thats the beauty of being human; we can!!
@@annetteschumacher366yeah, there's very very recent stepping back on progress made, but to say things are not drastically better in almost every way when it comes to this stuff. No just becuase you were a kid and ignorant to the problems in the world and felt okay and safe at home and people were nice to you in your neighborhood doesn't mean the world was a nicer and safer place overall.
This made me so sad :( that man is so DISGUSTING and I hope he’s rotting in hell right now that poor angel :( I can’t stand it when people victim blame girls it’s fucking bullshit and it makes me livid.
So I’m someone in the subculture of alternative fashion often called Lolita fashion, I do want to clarify a few things about it. Lolita fashion is a Japanese subculture revolving around cutesy, and often doll-like clothing, particularly frilled dresses, bonnets, bows, etc. Lolita fashion is meant to be entirely non-sexual as it started as a feminist movement meant to show that women should be able to wear that type of clothing without being sexualized for it. I believe the names, while the same, have different points of origin too.
Men even considered it highly unattractive at the time, didn't they? I always read that men Japanese men were mad about it because it wasn't sexy to them at the time, and of course they thought everything should be for their benefit (as so many men still think to this day).
It is definitely sexualized in the present day. Was it also sexualized back when it started? To clarify, the information I had was that in the very early days it wasn't. Was this information incorrect, and there was no change after all? The current attitudes are exactly as they always have been?@@aliameagan7240
We need to thank feminism for so much change in respecting women and girls as human beings with thoughts and feelings of their own. Not just things for men to possess and amuse themselves with. That media coverage and the way she was treated by police/courts, just unbelievable.
I'm going throughout that. This man comes over and actually told me they viewed me as their sunshine, attempting to be physical with me!! They are leaving....I'm glad. My dog has this weird love hate with them. The dog will go after them in attack mode, then lick them like crazy!!! I know the dog acts like he is protecting me.
Ive always thought the book was like a twisted unreliable narrative, like its what he wanted her to think/do, to almost take away their own responsibility. Its sad that it can be romanticized & this poor girls story actually existed
hearing all these terrible things happening so close to west i’ve grown up is so scary, especially them vacationing in wildwood is so insane because i’ve spent weekends there since i was very young
Great video, thanks for sharing! Lolita is one of my favorite books, although I don't have the stomach to read it very often. I think Nakobov states very clearly how shitty is the protagonist and honestly, it speaks poorly about our media literacy if people cannot grasp the gravity of this type of stories. I didn't know about Sally. It was so sad and I thank the universe to live in a time and place where at least we are able to talk about these issues more openly and victim blaming gets called out instead of endorsed.
i read the book during a big Nabokov phase. the writing style is absolutely absorbing and horrifying. i did remember the original case though not its details. the victim blaming aspect of the story is heartbreaking.
It's important to remember that back then people didn't know how kids could react to continued abuse having to live with their abuser and how they'd pretend to like things to keep the peace. So they thought that she didn't run at the first change showed she was willing to be his "girlfriend". Which made it seem like she was a really young girl with no morals. That they had to "forgive" her for.
Thanks for sharing this story. The way you detailed the "plot" was detailed but not excessive. It was really enticing and wanted to hear more. Keep up the good work!
First, that appendectomy was not an appendectomy. Her "father" probably told some friendly doctor that his young daughter had been taken advantage of by some wicked man. It was not unusual for doctors to record abortions as appendectomies or some other abdominal surgery. It was a very different time, a more misogynistic time. Victims were routinely blamed for being groomed and sexually assaulted.
There are no such thing like "underaged woman", let's start with us, women, not adultifying girls ourselves. Underaged is a girl, a child, let us keep them that. Thanks.
This is such a sad story and I had no idea. It seems that our culture will hype up the more acceptable version of a story like this rather than dwell in the sad reality of it. The nice version might be that this young girl explored her sexuality rather than was horrifically traumatized. There is also of course the sexist rape culture of our society at play here as well. Thank you for bringing the truth to light as it seems this poor girl never was validated for the brave survivor she was.
Wow. Poor Sally. What a sad sad life😭. First time to your channel and you did a stellar job retelling poor Sally’s unfortunate circumstances. It was so interesting yet depressing learning about the origins of Lolita. Thank you so much for your time and attention to this matter. ❤
This video is so fascinating. I never knew that Lolita was based on a real story. I always suspected that Nabokov was himself just an articulate pervert who was writing about his own sick fantasies. I also thought he was just using shock and horror to make a name for himself and sell more books. This obviously wasn’t the case He was just reflecting on a very tragic story of abuse and was by no means condoning it. I also found it tragically typical of the time that Sally Horner was expected to share the blame when She was 100% the victy
The book "Lolita' is about the delusions of an evil monster who turns every innocent action of a child into his fantasy object. He won't even let the child have her own name. He is the unreliable narrator of Delores' victimization.
I’m from NJ & never even heard of this story until I came across the movie on fb. Such a sad and traumatic story. I hope Sally is finally at peace. I never knew lolita started from this story either. Makes me look at Lolita in pop culture differently now.
Wow! This showed up on my feed and I am blown away by your ACTUAL coverage of this event.This poor young lady !! YOU really nailed it! Pro! Subscribed to your excellent channel.
in the book dolores was quiet and kept to herself, having the book really told by "the true" pov.. but the movie really described how sick and twisted humberts thought's were about this poor girl. people still call this book a romance? this is not normal. they still made a movie about this even though there was a huge stigma around the book for decades?!!! fucked up. hollywood, stay away from little kids please.
this really shouldnt have been made into a movie. especially if you're gonna cast a minor(dominique swan was 17) and a 45+ year old to act out a sexual relationship!! this wasn't even 30 years ago!😡😡
I just heard about it. I saw a post on Facebook and decided I'd rather listen to a video about the real person. Such a sad story. I'd never read the book or seen the movie.
My ex loved this book and called me his little lolly... When I was 20 I looked 15, I was homeschool and sheltered, neive and very very trusting, perfect target because in his mind I was the young girl he wanted but my age made it safe.. So yeah exactly what you think happened and the scars are deep. he also was from Ireland and I England so I have no idea if he hurt anyone else after he was done hurting me...I hope not .. but he gave me the lolita book he loved so much told me to read it to see why why he called me lolly, I use to think of it as love but I'm not that little girl anymore and that book was set alight along with everything else I had of his. If I knew where he was I would have set him alight to .. this book is sick and the only reason it should still exist is to help us weed out the sickos that hurt little girls.
I’m sorry, it’s normal for victims of abuse to take the blame. And even take one certain type of kinks to cope with the trauma. And to trauma-bond. It’s obvious he was malevolent and that you were innocent in that regard. It’s similar to what happened with me, I burned Lolita on his fireplace. I just liked the poetic writing style of Nabokov. But he, much older than me took advantage of that and had his weird fantasies. You are loved
When I was in Jr high I stumbled across a movie called Lolita but its with Jeremy Irons, Dominique Swain, and Melanie Griffith. I absolutely fell in love with the way it was shot. The story seemed so haunting but like a love story that I knew was wrong. Now as a 37 year old I feel bad for liking it so much 😕 😞
No need to feel bad. It’s their fault for romanticizing it. They irresponsibly filmed it to look that way. It’s normal for young girls to have crushes but the problem is the nasty old men who take advantage of that. You don’t realize until you’re older and see kids who are the same age you were when you thought it was just “romantic forbidden love” on par with Romeo and Juliet. I’ve seen a number of girls who would talk about dating men in their 30s when they were in high school and now that they’re in their 30s, they look at just how young high schoolers are and feel disgusted by the men who took advantage of them like that.
It's good but lacked the novel's esprit. I like to refer to it as "Lolita of the d'Urbervilles", after the Thomas Hardy novel "Tess of the d'Urbervilles."
Thank you so much for this story. I had no idea that the Lolita story was based on the true sad story of Sally. This is my first time seeing your channel and I like your presentation style. Thank you for your research and also giving credits to those who have written and presented other materials on the subject.
