The real problem with Marriage 

This is more of the same mgtow dogma I am free, my wife is free. She can’t over power me, and the government can’t persuade her against me Not her, and not the government, but what did you do that caused the marriage to fail?

hahha yeh cause every single woman sees things the same way.

Women lose attraction over time. The more negative interactions you have during that time, the more ammo they gain for the impending argument. This is not MGTOW dogma. It is the reality of the modern relationship dynamic.

I think you have several things wrong here Adam. You’re speaking from a religious viewpoint about marriage when marriage is no longer a religious institution. It hasn’t been in most of the west since the government co-opted it back in the 1950s and 60s, depending on which English speaking country you come from. They all follow similar trajectory at the same times. - Before that there was no family court (which isn’t even an official court system, but a for profit corporation), there were no marriage licenses (the only license you don’t have to take a test for and severely punished for the loss of), and Christians would just write in the front of their family Bible that they were married. Marriage certification is an extremely new idea, just as diamond rings, white dresses and the idea of “dating” are extremely new, and they’ve all proven to be failed ideas. Marriage is a civil union now; it operates the same as merging two businesses. It’s far easier to merge but far harder to separate upon disillusion of the business. The law looks at both marriage and businesses in the same fashion. - Looking at it as anything other than a business decision is foolish, because that’s been what it was in all of history, this is how the government treats it, as a civil affair, not a religious one, and ALL vvomen look at it that way. This is the only field where vvomen are far more pragmatic and practical and realistic than men. Since vvomen are pragmatic and realistic about marriage, men should try and be at least half as shrewd about the deal. Thinking otherwise will almost always lead to ruin. Someone wins the lottery everyday, but let’s talk about trends and the norm (more than 50 percentile) instead of the lucky 10 percentile. - So men going their way are doing a cost/benefit/risk analysis. This isn’t “dogma.” I worked in oil for many years and there was always a risk (a MUCH lower risk vs divorce) of having a critical failure and every shift, we do safety meetings to help mitigate the risk, as well as increased mandatory classes and certifications and training about the risks, on top of Personal Protective Equipment to also mitigate risk. As a result, the amount of people maimed or ended has decreased drastically in the last few decades. - You’re suggesting that us doing this type of safety meeting every shift is somehow dogmatic. No, it’s realistic. It’s saving lives. Men are 8x more likely to end themselves after divorce as females are, but you’re going to have some disparaging quip about that? More importantly, the issue with marriage is that it no longer serves its primary purpose and that’s neither men or vvomen’s fault. Marriage was originally a tool for survival; 90% of all families were farmers throughout history, so you had to have 6 boys to help work the fields; you needed 5 daughters to marry to other families in the area to strengthen your position within the community and religion. It’s no coincidence that family sizes are less than a quarter the size of what they were just 100 years ago (Roughly 2.5 children now vs 10-12). Very few in modernity don’t reach adulthood thanks to modern medicine and cleanliness, you don’t need them to work in your profession, whether artisan or field hand, nor do you need them to marry other families to survive. Most of this is because technology has changed so much in the last 200 years. VVomen can get a bullsh*t HR job in order to survive; a job type that adds no value to the economy whatsoever. That’s how easy survival is now; we have huge swaths of job types that produce nothing of value. - That’s the biggest issue with marriage isn’t government involvement but that marriage is now obsolete as an institution. It’s because it is a *WANT* and no longer a *NEED* and wants are far lesser drives than needs will ever be. So telling men they have to get involved with a *WANT* has giant issues with the thought process. Pretending someone is dumb or lesser for opting out of a want is also kinda silly. - And yes, marriage is a *WANT*. The proof is in the fact that in 1924, more than 70% of adults were married, while in 2024, less than 31% of adults are, with half of that 30.5% being above the age of 60. If marriage was necessary, you wouldn’t have that many opted out of it as they’d HAVE to be involved. I don’t want to argue this point; whether you think of it as a want or a need is irrelevant to whether or not it actually is. We can discuss any of these points though, because I have far more to say on the subject. The marriage rate is 9x lower than it was during the Great Depression currently, which was the previous lowest before this last decade. Men are opting out and vvomen are making themselves unworthy of it, as they have to sell marriage to begin with. Both genders are involved in short term m@ting decisions now, because survival isn’t part of the equation. Most of the secondary utility that vvomen provided none of them provide, whereas the male utility, the demand for it has actually increased triple fold; this makes the marriage deal raw, and I can get into that if you’d like. - This is a natural conclusion to technological advancement; you have good and bad, both planned and unintended consequences associated with technology. Technology changes social norms more than anything else, and dwarfs in its impact the next category down, religion. Even if the governments of the world removed themselves from marriage entirely today, it would take 50-60 years before marriage would even be a viable option as a want to begin with, long past the point where any alive reading this or discussing this would even want to or should be a part of it.

@@rhysproudmourne1646 why come on a faith channel then? why not use your argument on a channel where you know content wont have any religious input?

is in many cases. not all cases.

Yeah it’s pretty sad. Thanks for the comment

i'd ignore the ones online and stick to those in person for a start. ones online dont count

Before marrying find a divorced man and learn about the marriage license and the implications of what you would be signing. No one will tell you this unless you seek it out. If you have to, pay a divorce attorney for an hour of his time to tell you. Best money you will ever spend.

I've been married twice. The 2nd time for 33 years and counting. I'm Trapped!!! If you decide to marry, GET a Pre-Nuptual. This advice is for American men considering marrying an American woman. Today's american woman doesn't understand Marriage!!!

Watch the videos of andrew wommack about dating and marriage.

Anybody who has read this man's comment: You need to understand this; Get a pre-nup before you say I do!!!

Boom! Outstanding point! Every time you ask for a prenup they freak out so just ask why do you need a marriage license?

Your question is just really sad. Do you know when women have children with a guy but don’t marry they statistically have a much higher rate of splitting and being in eventual poverty? Let’s be serious - Who cares about the chick - but do you want your kids living in poverty? That would impact them in more ways than you can imagine. Ask any Sociologist what having the insecurity of not having 2 married parents does to a kid. It ain’t pretty. Why not have all the benefits of a marriage with none of the obligations? It serves men well, right? For example, how well would it have served my brother in law who got ALS. He was stuck in a wheelchair, couldn’t talk or take himself to the bathroom, couldn’t even feed or shower himself. He was fortunate to be able to stay at home until he passed away because his Wife took care of him. That’s REAL love. Commitment is staying when things get tough. If she wasn’t married to him she could have easily said, ‘I didn’t sign up for this!’ and bailed. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it, Powell Boy. 👍

Great. Nice anecdotal example. Now can we actually address the real problem which is women CHOOSING to leave and split the family and hurt the kids. This is by far the biggest issue and you completely ignore it while somehow also blaming men.

@@williambontrager2349 women leave because there's a payoff in it. If there was no payoff in divorce they wouldn't take it. If there was a payoff in divorce and they still got support and the house but they didn't get the kids and the man got the kids they would still take it

@UseYourDiscernment well since women initiate divorce 75% of the time, it kinda falls on them primarily. In addition to that, marriage primarily benefits women at the expense of men and so the duty to keep it together falls on them. Laws have upset this balance and rewarded them for leaving upsetting this balance.

Which god?

Which god?

@@onewarrior5186 If you have to ask, this advice is not for you.

@@elibennett6168 Spoken like a true believer in their god. LMFAO!

@@onewarrior5186 Thanks for confirming my assessment of you.

@@elibennett6168 I speak and come in the Name of YaHUaH!!! No fake god follower here! I know His Name. I proclaim His Name. Praise YaH!!!

He's young! No wonder he hasn't got a clue.