Norton doesn't know how to be "just an actor." He wants to be the writer, the director, the producer, the editor, and the star. he always tries to re-write the scripts, not just for himself, but for everyone. That is not the way a lot of companies work. It is what it is.
@@ELFanatic Norton literally wanted Hulk/Banner to have more story behind him in the MCU What in the hell are you on about "raising your standards"? Are you saying more action is raising the standard?
@@ELFanatic go and actually read and understand Hulks backstory first. And literally 70-80% of MCU stand alone movies are garbage. They only made like a handful that are good. And a Great actor such as Norton actually wanted Hulk to have a great movie.
I really loved Norton as Hulk. He gave meaning to Hulk story and the whole movie; His looks totally fit the character and really no one else would ever play the Hulk role as he did.
Norton’s Hulk was so badass. That Hulk stopped fire by clapping his hands.That Hulk sounded scary and looked scary. That Hulk had depth. Norton’s Character was scared of the Hulk while Mark’s one is only scared of the damage he will do to others huge difference.
I still long to see the version of The Incredible Hulk that Edward Norton was referring to. Just watch the deleted scene between Bruce and Leonard, it's fantastically well-acted and would have worked so well in smoothing out the overall tone of the film. I still genuinely love the film (as it is) because of its fast pace, brilliantly-executed action sequences and a surprisingly great score from Craig Armstrong (especially during the final moments of the climatic battle). The Incredible Hulk is, in my eyes, the most underrated film in the MCU by a wide-margin, I still thoroughly enjoy watching it to this day (which is why I'd love to see the extended version that Norton has always referred to).
I agree this movie was definitely underrated. It's the only MCU movie I've watched like 10x. Great movie imho. But Norton seems to be like a difficult person to work with. No one wants to work with anyone like that. He should of been quiet and did his part because he would of made Avengers better... But oh well he screwed up and now life and Avengers had to go on without him.... "He Fucked Up!"
AMAZINGLY AQUIB I doubt there will ever be an actor that can portray a character like RDJ did. In general, Norton could be the better actor but would never be able to portray Hulk like RDJ did with Iron Man.
Papa Billydeth That was the point actually. It was the same one from his 1945 war period. Even Cap thought it was old fashioned which was then retorted by Coulson to be actually a good change of pace from the modern fashion in the avengers
Ruffalo only appears to be a genius when they talk about building stuff He does not fit the guy who can dissappear in the crowd or travel as another person Him going full on autistic in the first Avengers helicarrier could only have been in character with Norton's Banner
You know I enjoyed marvel when I was a kid Now m older nd Looking Back, I can't even watch Avengers again right now. But I sure can watch Superman Returns Anytime..💚💛🧡❤💙 Make Marvel Serious Again
Superman Returns was the worst trash ever recorded. It didn't even have a fight scene. Superman was a deadbeat dad that devolved into stalking, and the story was almost the exact same concept as the first Superman movie with Reeves: It was a real estate deal gone awry.
Norton is a fantastic actor. And I do think his Bruce Banner/Hulk portrayal was much better than Mark Ruffalo's. As others have stated, Norton's Hulk had more depth and bad-ass-ery to it. Ruffalo's Hulk is just comedic. And considering there weren't any Hulk sequels, and the character now just pops up in the Avengers' movies and the one Thor film, we hardly learn much about the character. He's just shows up. No backstory, no drama. He's almost detached from the franchise. If Norton wasn't so difficult to work with, perhaps this could have turned out different. There are probably a couple sequels for the Hulk now. I do think had he reprised his role as the Hulk in the Avengers, he would have caused a lot of friction between the other actors and directors, and it would have made the environment extremely unpleasant, and the quality of the movies would have suffered.
It’s a shame because the ideas Norton had were good, especially Banner trying to kill himself as Ruffalo’s Banner mentions it in Th3 Avengers of “the other guy spit the bullet out”. As a pain Norton May had been (especially with Downey) it would have been interesting.
I like how Edward Norton writes another script and tell the directors “alright we’re doing it this way” when it’s not his movie he would of just fucked up everything
Not gonna lie, Ruffalo was better than I've expected in the first Avengers movie, but he was just a comic relief character in the rest. Norton was just a better Banner also he's Hulk was just a beast ! That version could rip Thanos apart.
Norton was an incredible Hulk, Rufflo feels so fake like " ooo, you better fear me." like it was joke...When Norton said "Don't make me angry"... I felt like he really wanted me not to make him angry.
To be honest, Ruffalo did not 'ruin' the Hulk. He was just the guy who followed orders and the script without that much incident compared to Norton. We all have preferences for the Hulk's actor and I also think Norton is a wasted opportunity. However, I'm more curious about the changes Norton wanted for the script about the Hulk's character. The solo movie aside, Hulk's only satisfying Ruffalo run was during the first Avengers movie. From Age of Ultron to Infinity War we get to see a big green punching bag and in Endgame he was almost cool but became so wimpy he skipped out of the final fight scene. To me, Norton probably saw this coming and wanted to make the Hulk better. Don't get me wrong, Feige did great with the MCU as a whole, but he really did let his directors trample the Hulk who is supposed to be an important member of the Avengers in the MCU. See it's the script writers and the directors who gave us a 'lacking' portayal of the Hulk, not Mark Ruffalo. It makes you think even more about what could've been if Ed Norton was still hanging around.
I actually like Norton's hulk a lot he doesn't look like a complete shit like Ruffalo but he also is not very good for portraying a scientist. However Norton's hulk is super badass. Too bad these people didn't even give him a chance. Marvel+Disney combo is screwed up I am just happy that the story they are following at least cannot differ from there original source a lot.
I like the fact that Marvel fans are appreciating the fact that Edward did a good job. It's a known fact in the industry that he doesn't play well with others...he's not a joke like Mark's take on the character. Hulk is supposed to be menacing, not comical
@@theilluminatibenefactor Fun Fact: Mark Ruffalo was originally Louis Leterrier (the director’s) first choice for the role of Bruce Banner in The Incredible Hulk.
Norton may have gotten little love from Marvel but he was the only live action Hulk to do his famous signature *thunderclap/gamma slap/whatever.* The other hulks simply failed to do this iconic move or was just written out.
vinodztube he also worries about hurting people and tries to cure himself in the movie and that’s a lot like Bruce in the comics and ruffalo looks like he’s just s funny hulk and he doesn’t have any worries and doesn’t try to get away from people like the actual Bruce does.
I thought the way he stood up looked way better too. Ruffalos was all hunched and ape like. I didnt really care for it honestly. its looks cartoony and not fully rendered
Uhm... According to Comics Banner was always that enthusiastic as Ruffalo are in these movies so it doesn't make sense to talk about Anger Issues about Banner Role
@@TraFClub I'm confused as to how you can say that. You don't know what Iron Man would be like without RDJ, also CA trilogy is better than IM even with him in it
I always found banner to be such a interesting and great character sometimes more than the hulk. Norton saw that too and it’s a shame he isn’t in the MCU anymore cause I personally liked his take on the Hulk character
Same. I always thought hulk should've been portrayed that way as well but with marvel and Disney being silly of course they would deny his version of the hulk which is the most comic accurate
Norton would have struggled with the commitment of multiple movies. He would have become more Loki than Loki. The core group of Avenger actors seem to have a bond and friendship that I don't see Norton really fitting into.
Are we all saying that cause in this timeline mark bonded well with every other actor like avengers avengers 2 etc? What if in another timeline Edward did bond really well but we just don't know cause we have not seen Edward with everyone else.
Tom Hiddleston is already mad about not being casted as Thor that he auditioned for, he's good enough as Loki. I find Norton to be omnious as Petyr Baelish.
Lelouch Vi Britannia well he did, he literally doesn’t suit as Hulk. Where as Norton is perfect for the role and maybe he would’ve helped get a better script. Where as Ruffalo ain’t going to ask for anything, he’s just going to sit there and do exactly what they ask for, which is shit. Wonder if Ruffalo has read any of Hulks comics, cause he makes the Hulk look like a joke.
It’s obvious the Russo’s didn’t want hulk to be one of the main focal points of the avengers. If Norton was in Avengers his character would probably over shine Roberts. Marks hulk had development but it was more for comedic or storyline purposes. Norton’s would have had deep psychological and twisted purposes.
@@jimmyolsen2725 The Hulk is one of the most iconic comic book heroes with a rich storyline but mcu decided to crap on him by making him some joke comic relief.
@@jimmyolsen2725 Yea the Hulk isn't a central part of his own comic line do you know how stupid you sound right now? You MCU fanboys that just watch movies and wiki the comics always throw yourself under the bus. Please just stick to what your good at the movies.
JimmyOlsen27 yea ik its my opinion why would you think otherwise lol. I like the current hulk too he’s not bad. I just find him more of a side character
Nah bro Norton was way better than Ruffalo Ruffalo make hulk a crybaby and if Norton still play hulk hulk will have better feeling and not as a joke we will see world breaker hulk and more rage hulk not crybaby hulk
Hell no, Norton would have been ugly as hell, they made professor hulk looks more like mark ruffalo who has a very good resemblance to hulk, so imagine if they made 2008 hulk look more like Ed Norton and start talking and stuff, that wouldn’t look good at all.
WhistleG wdym Ruffalo Hulk is the same hulk but more comedic. Norton Hulk was just a gritty hulk that needed action to make his standalone movie better
WhistleG but Norton doesn’t actually look like Hulk to be professor hulk Just imagine 2008 hold talking like a normal human how weird would that be, pretty weird
Edward Norton is finest actor who kNKws the craft vary well .. He didn't done much film but some of his films are excellent; ● why marvel opt him out dint know .. ● but he will remain as one of the finest actor of Hollywood..
I like Ruffalo as an actor and his version of the Hulk looks awesome as well, but Norton's face on Hulk with modern CGI in the newer films would have probably looked better. He didn't look that great in the 2008 film.
Edward Norton hulk would have kicked Thanos ass in infinity war his hulk would have never given up so fast mark ruffles hulk just one punch, and he gave up
I prefer Edward Nortons Bruce banner, mark ruffalo is pretty good with his version but Norton's version is very true to the hulks character and had great depth with his relationship with the Hulk.
@Iris E let's just say Norton look more like the hulk and Buffalo look like the Bruce Banner the science guy but either way I love both and Ruffalo handle himself really well
Even though I was pissed about Norton getting booted from the MCU, I was okay with Ruffalo. That is, until Thor Ragnorak. In both that film and Infinity War, Ruffalo's performance was really goofy and I started to miss Norton again.
Well the blame really goes to the script writers and director for that. Thor Ragnarok was too comedic overall, still a good movie but I mean it was supposed to be a gritty movie because, well, it was Ragnarok, end of times for Asgard.
@@irishgob9576 So you're telling me that different actors with the same script can't perform it differently? Perhaps with Norton, Banner wouldn't have have come off as goofy. Perhaps he would've played into the lightheartedness of the films better. Ruffalo seems so out of his element in the character lately. He was better suited for the character, when he was being more serious. Norton seems to have a better range and seems to be able to play a full spectrum of characters from light to dark (comfortably), when looking at his work.
That’s another thing. “It was about the script, norton would’ve done the same thing.” - No, not really, especially when he is infamous for wanting most of the creative control on set. I think it also shows that he was able to make a hero like the hulk extremely serious, and did it so efficiently you actually wanted to believe in it, whereas where other movies try to do this it’s nowhere near as impressive as he did it. (Yes, Thor the dark world, I’m looking at you.)
I’m sorry but the Norton Hulk somehow looked too cartoonish to me. I prefer Ruffalo’s Hulk design as it looks less like shoddily done CG in the two previous Hulk films and it incorporates aspects of Mark’s facial features.
@@CatholicCreatineEnjoyer I am so confused what is happening right now. All I said I just like him as the Hulk what is a freaking big deal I like Tom Holland as Spider-Man. I like the actors who in The MCU. what is the big deal?
When Norton first appears in Alita, I was both ecstatic and concerned. First thing that came to my mind was " he better not try to change anything" Norton in my mind is the best hulk to date!
Norton is a great actor and I think The Incredible Hulk was fantastic!!!!!! It's one of my MOST favourite films. I don't care what Norton thinks about this movie. And I personally would be more satisfied if Norton was kept in MCU till now because of 2 reasons- 1) Changing actors like this ruins originality. I was VERY DISAPPOINTED to see a different actor for bruce in The Avengers. 2) I love Norton's hulk more. It was soooooo scary and badass looking!!!!!!
And yes. MCU also did 3 wrong things till this time. They are- 1) Firing Edward Norton. 2) Hardly allowing Joss Whedon to give particular scenes in AOU like the Hawkeye family scene. 3) Firing James Gunn
@ThatMetalHead72 Oh yup, I forgot about that. That's also another originality ruin. So another wrong thing done by Marvel. Although both Rhodeys are good and both Bruce Banners are good, but still it's wrong. Changing actor ruined the originality of both characters. So Marvel did a total of 4 wrong things.
@@towkirshuvo97 Fun Fact: Mark Ruffalo was originally Louis Leterrier (the director’s) first choice for the role of Bruce Banner in The Incredible Hulk.
Norton is best , u see banner character from 2008 movie and avengers movie lots of diff . they wanted Norton to act like a stupid , side comedian character ,Norton would have refused and got fired
@nutflixx comedies should be part of the movie . I'm marvel fan . do you really think infinity war needed those stupid comedies by tony , star lord , ruffalo , parker etc not needed at all . may be once in a while is fine man
@nutflixx DC could've worked if circumstances didn't keep getting in the way of production. And Marvel is going the "income" smart way. Their formula worked, so they've made 99% of their movies based on the same cookie cutter.
Mark holds it down as Hulk but I think Ed would have taken it to another level, both good actors but Ed Norton would have been epic to have in the MCU long term. Is what it is now tho.
Ed Norton just works miles better with grounded characters, something closer to reality, and with the way things are going now with the MCU and Disney, he'd definitely cause quite a stir, he likes being in control of his character, which he excels at, and that would not sit well with Disney.
I agree wholeheartedly Ed would have shut it down! He is one of my Top 5 favorite actors of all time. who's to say if his difficult nature is resisting some of the hollyweird behind the screen politics and blackballing?? I applaud him for staying out of handcuffs which a lot of these actors don't know how to do as well as keeping his private life out of Harm's Way. I also kind of wonder what if Mark Wahlberg, who's another one of my favorite actors and y'all can go ahead and laugh and throw tomatoes, anyway I think he would also do good as a superhero! What do y'all think? 😁
@@psychobergmuis6281 Fun Fact: Mark Ruffalo was originally Louis Leterrier (the director’s) first choice for the role of Bruce Banner in The Incredible Hulk.
There is no way it was "purely financial reasons". Look how far ahead and how well planned the whole MCU has been. If they had actors changing shit like Norton does, there is no way there could be such good continuity/synergy across movies.
@@thomasdrewing67 No continuity or Synergy, Hulk 2008 takes place after Iron Man RDJ is in the film and it's been referenced throughout the MCU, hell even General Ross returned in Civil War.
I don't think it was purely money, but I think it definitely played a part. Remember marvel studios was still under Marvel entertainment. Ike Pearlmutter is know to be a huge cheapskate. He screwed Terrance Howard in his contract and didn't want to pay RDJ for Civil War
Norton killed it as the Hulk. He made his condition and struggle so naturally “hopeless”, and he perfectly reflected the image in the comics. I LOVE Mark Ruffolo as a person, but I always thought he didn’t take over the role very well. I thought he can’t portray expressions very convincingly. And I also don’t think he’s too convincing of some kind of super genius, who also is some expert at fighting through his struggling years of survival when he was first infected. I seriously wish the first guy was for willing to work with directors instead of being so difficult because his performance was kind of legendary.
Oddly enough they mentioned like 45 seconds before that he was in Red Dragon....i was more just listening to this and was really confused when they said “Red Dawn”
Looks like fight club changed his perception of the world lol. The way he takes control over the sets shows exactly how his character in fight club would act.
I believe that if he had stayed the mcu would be better, I wish that the movies had more dark elements (when it’s appropriate for the character and the story being told)
Bro Hollywood wants to advertise to children with these movies its what they do, reason why i stop taking those movies as if they matter/cannon. Stick to animated films or comic book series.
Just A Gamer thats just a tragedy. I can understand if you like the Norton Hulk to Ruffalo’s, perhaps it is based on seeing Nortons so acutely and Ruffalos extensively, but if you think this Hulk (2007) is better than Avengers, Ultron, and Ragnarok, then you’re high on crack. This CGI is atrocious. The scene where the Hulk and Ross are fighting in the college park is one of the dumbest and worst looking fights in the MCU.
Whats unfortunate is that both Norton and MCU are not considering the integrity of consistency. Nortons original hulk films were the origin of the MCU. Does anyone remember the post credit scene with RDJ and the general? X amount of years later its another character for banner. If you watch all the movies chronologically it just look s awkward now. Kind of like having a really masterful painting and you have one line completely off. The whole painting becomes off
I do agree with Norton that marvel movies are nothing compared to the Christopher Nolan dc films. He made superhero movies have a dark sense of reality with just downright incredible villains.
You don't know what an actor's life looks like , your career and future are settled once a year. Look at Matthew McConaughey or Jake Gyllenhaal, both good actors widely praised, but before their big role (Dallas Buyers club / Prisoners) they struggled for several years just being known as pretty faces. If you signed for a role and turns out to have a shty director, you either accept to fail for that year, or move your ass to make the movie better. They might sound lame and stubborn from afar, but everyone would be in that situation.
Sounds like a person with an opinion which has a tendency to get disliked by some people, including you. You can either be a shell that everybody likes or you can have a spine that's liked by your self and other's.
If.. IF it was a “money issue” for Norton, they would of dropped Robert Downey Jr as Iron Man AGESSS ago! You see what he makes in every film or even a few minutes of fame in a Marvel movie?! Around $30 million each time. We will never know the genuine reason but the truth leans towards the MCU/Kevin Feige than Edward Norton. *My bad if i misspelled anyone’s name.
Ryan Oceana we do know - the studio wants to call the shots, not some actor hired for a role in a bigger universe who thinks he’s a knowitall. Marvel was right. We’re going on a decade and billions of dollars from the MCU now. If everyone got a say it would be a case of too many cooks in the kitchen and it wouldn’t have worked.
Wouldn't have* An army needs a leader, and in a movie that leader is the director. In a Graham Norton movie, as much as I love him, HE thinks he is the leader. Countless studios have turned him down over the years because he meddles behind the scenes, he's the male equivalent of a diva.
They probably just wanted more money for Robert so Norton was dismissed. I actually thought he did better. I don’t respect the hulk they have now. Such a clown. Rewatch the movies and lots of it is fill in. Captain America is probably the best scripted movies. The rest don’t embody what they should be.
I'm actually happy he didn't stick around. Norton is a fantastic actor. One of the best, if you ask me, and it would've been phisically hurtful to see such an incredibly talented actor playing such goofy and dumb scenes such as the ones in Ragnarok and Infinity War. Don't get me wrong. Ruffalo is also a great actor as well, but it is easier to picture him doing goofy shit than Norton. Really dodged a bullet there.
"I thought we'd make at least one marvel movie that's as good as the worst christopher nolan movie" DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMNNNNNN 😂😂😂😂 norton is a beast
@@Tabootrinket very true. characters in the nolan universe dont have superpowers. Theyre just regular folks who do unordinary things. in MCU people have actual superpowers
Yeah Mark is the like a smart proffessor and not that angry hulk whereas Norton is like young guy with lot of issues and that all the strengthen his hulk
@@driesbuytaert3788 Ruffalo's Hulk is the only one to visit the Sakar and revisit the World War Hulk story line. We can agree to disagree. I just think that Mark Ruffalo plays a better Bruce Banner. You can't exactly have Hulk be OP and then still lose to Thanos. I think that even if it were Edward Norton or even Eric Bana, the Hulk would still have the same problems due to the current story arc.
