Totally agree that pacing was THE problem. The game was constantly interrupting us making us do different stuff rather than just let us enjoy the story. I'm surprised no other CC brought this up. Games like Genshin and Wuwa didn't have this problem since you could just ignore those side quests and feature unlocks for a while till you were ready for them.
@@saturna1576 you mean there was supposed to be more? I just got to interknock 32 and i feel like im pretty much dropping the game and going back to Wuwa. I hate that even the hollow zero has the TV mode. I hate it. Not to mention the "skip dialogue" was a lie. Only certain scenes can be skipped. Most of the side quest you still need to spam through all the dialogues instead of outright skip all just like in Wuwa.
@@Ronteque bro i cant believe people even calls it puzzle, like bro it's not even puzzle but pure annoyance, they even think they got iq level & exquisite sense of taste of higher being because they enjoy it lmao, omg they're coping with having next level mix of anti social, narcissism, center of the universe syndrome.
"combat is its main appeal" just...doesn't help me to take this game seriously when i see how it is in reality. It doesn't help that the overdose of marketing this game had makes me thing "wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle".
my thought is that the TVs are a system to delay the burn of the story, because reallistically.. you only have like 1 or 2 fights there, and not significant enough then. So it was either getting critized for the annoying TV system, or for shallow or lacking content, which they prefered to have the first one
isn't it the same with every gacha game? you walk there talk to npc fight for like 30 sec walk back hand in the quest listen to dialouge and repeat TV system is just walk there and talk to the npc
@@Rat_Fบcker the only gripe i have with the system is that some animations are slow af, which drags it on, but the concept makes sense since you the characer is using the hdd to navigate for the teams inside the hollow so its in theme
@@vanexrexa9473 i can see that perhap they should add even more fast forward speed and some people also complain about flashing light which i agree it's dangerous for photo sensitive people
One of my biggest gripes with the game is that the UI is a pain to navigate. It’s really not as intuitive and takes a while to get used to. Visually the UI looks amazing but if navigating just confuses the user, it’s going to sour the experience no matter how good it looks.
i agree alot of the resources for improving characters and what not is almost an exact carbon copy of honkai star rail yet for the life of mean I can't seem to figure out what I need because finding where its at is like navigating with a broken compass.
Oh my god. This is the first person that ACTUALLY recognises the actual issue. It's the story pacing. Story pacing in ZZZ is ridiculous. It takes over 8 HOURS to get to hollow zero if you didnt skip any voiced story. There is also about 3 minutes of TV to 2 minutes of combat in the story missions, and the loading screens and buffers are too much to deal with. Every time you interact with something in the TV, you get a loading buffer. It's way too much interruptions and hiccups in the pacing.
?? It took me like 2 hours to get to hollow zero and I have no issues with the TV, it just feels like the pov of the proxies, being people that sit behind a screen and guide people
Things I personally don’t like about zzz: -combats too short -cutscenes are too frequent -quest menu kinda odd -The tv system being overused for not much Things I do like: -the combat -the “abyss” -character building and design -skip
especially if you use the mouse. Hell, you can't even send the bangboo too far if there's a certain type of tv in front of it, cause it simply slams its head against the tv instead of going forward, even though there's no interaction in it and no dialogue trigger. Annoying as hell
As a persona player, i like the concept of going about with your daily life and all the interactions that come with improving your characters. As a ys player, i dig the combat with the timed evade and counter, along with the tag teaming. As a story enjoyer, as well as anime/manga addict, i love the story, art styles and dubs. As a puzzle lover, the exploration is fine and gives me the sense of achievement when solving them perfectly. But tbh i still don't quite get how the tv system relates to the lore of the story. I close one eye and just roll with it. At least it's enjoyable in its own way.
I find ZZZ timed dodges and whatnot are easier to pull off than the ones in Ys. Funny enough my intro to Ys was Lacrimosa of Dana and I fell in love at the title screen music. Falcom games typically have really good ost.
i just played because i preferred the art style over any gacha game atm. not even a gacha game person whatsoever. just wanna press buttons and see cool shit happen 😂
Its marketed as s combat game, im not tryna play puzzles every single time with 1/8 of it being combat, majority of the game is quests cutscenes and TV with minimal fights or anything else to do
@@Dreadhead0000 TVs give more fights, single battle missions gave me less. Idk what people are complaining about? I'd only complain about shit like the story being slow af at the start and constantly having to do normal life side of things. I don't wanna play snake game.
@@akeemnereida6119 yea if HI3 added side quest that mainly combat forcus like ZZZ and something need to farm daily like relic in hsr it may have more player playing it
A good game doesn't have to give you every damn flavor there is. What makes one game great doesn't make another. I actually love how ZZZ is different from WuWa and GI and HSR. If I want exploration I go and play GI and WuWa but if I want a roguelike experience with fun upgrades and challenges then I prefer HSR and ZZZ. It's that simple lol. ZZZ has the best animation imo and a very comforting linear experience when it coems to story and the general overworld stuff. My ADHD mind is relaxed when playing ZZZ funnily enough lol.
i feel the same way, i personally don't have many complaints about ZZZ *at all*, i like the tv system it gives me time to relax a bit after a battle and i find the puzzles and traversing the tvs fun too. i really don't get the hate the game is getting just because it isn't similar enough to other gacha games
The problem is that zzz doesn't advertise itself well zzz is advertised as some super action combat focused game but for most of your playtime your not even in combat lol your in dialogue,cutscenes and TV sections.
Yeah I agree, but I wish the rogue like part is not using TV simulator. I love the small world interaction tho, it reminds me of Persona. I already got burn out with open world after playing GI and WuWa.
I agree so much!!! Legit ZZZ doesnt NEED to be like other games- if it was people would get bored of it so quickly... I think ZZZ is probably gonna get their own following seperate of HSR and Genshin. (Maybe more people from Hi3)
I personally like the TVs as a concept, there are moments esp in the story where it sort of adds to the immersion. Like in the Belobog story where you're trying to hunt down the robots, it feels like the characters are involved and you can see them interacting with things. The minimalist top down POV makes said characters feel more vulnerable, since as a Proxy you have a responsibility to navigate them around the Hollow. The commissions Dana gives you where it turns the board into turn-based version of PvZ or a shmup is a genuinely cool and clever use of the system, and i hope we get see more of that creativity. What i don't like about the TVs (aside from how unnecessarily long/tedious some stages are, like Bangboo Golden Town) is when it fails at the immersion. Like you can never tell that a set of screens is meant to be an actual physical place until they outright tell you or when you're dropped into combat
i think its just familiarity, even in hollow zero i kinda get confused on what some tiles do. but mostly coz it just came out and i havent familiarized them yet
their whole problem is: setting wrong expefctation 1. why called it a combat focuse game when half of the time you dont even do combat? 2. why say you get 100 pull just by logging in, when you lkitearally have to finished the game to get them? If people would have known what they getting into before they getting into it, they would have no complaint. look at Tectone, we all expected the guy to hate the game, but since he coming in thinking it will be a casual little kid game, he was having fun. I was the same, I heard what he has to say before the game came out, I expect a casual kid game, and that is exactly what I got. now I can play it when I am donw with my Wuthering Waves daiy activities. its perfect.
One way to know your wrong, you referenced Tec who is in no way a source for real info. That man will ignore or verbally beat down anyone who has a different opinion than him.
@LostWallet Nope, all his bs is online, unlike you, I look into CCs past because some are seriously disgusting and disturbing individuals. I'd never want to endorse people like that.
I kinda enjoy the TV system, I don't think it's too much I think it serves to immerse the player in the protagonist role of analyzing the hollows from OUTSIDE of the agents perspective; If they were to remove the TV system they'd have to come up with some way to audio-visually convey the proxy's work without damaging the existing combat experience Mayhaps the correct way to do this would be to have the entire level laid out as both Physical and TV representations, where you can swap on-command between Proxy and Agents to complete the challenges, that would be kinda nice
I totally like your take. The MCs being strictly the Overseer of the missions gives the TV system its purpose. But yeah its too repetitive and the transition/cohesion with combat parts really need to be looked at
Yeah, but the thing is they didn't even tell the players about the TV system. They didn't advertise it or include it in their special program because they knew people would not download it or play it which means they wouldn't get the sales. You don't lie to you're consumers who keep the business flowing.
@KoledaBiggestSimp So I stand correct they did not advertise the TV system because they knew people would not play the game, the only players who knew about the TV system were from CBT or the ones who watched leaks and they complained about how much time it takes up
I mostly agree: I think the absolute core problem is that you spend less than 20% of your play time as your gacha characters. I timed it in one session and it was actually only 15% of that particular one. People throw the hate for that onto the TV because it's the most obvious aspect of downtime but there's an absolute ton of them (dialogue, cutscenes, loading, transitions, wandering town, eating noodles, drinking coffee, navigating menus, photographing cats and many, many more that I can't recall off the top of my head.) It's like the devs were afraid that if they made the players spend more than 2 minutes doing a single activity they'd get distracted by passing squirrels or something. I wanted some dungeon crawling as the gacha characters (aka simply running about in a dungeon, opening chests, flipping switches and seamlessly going into and out of combat. Doesn't need to be an open world or even non-linear... I just want to play as my characters) and as if to insult me and folk with similar desires, they put exactly that as a limited activity after level 25: Rally missions. Most of us won't make it there because we'll be so done with the game we'll quit before we even get close. Thing is, even if I sucked it up and brute forced my way to the Rally missions, they're all one-shot so I'd eventually complete the handful there are and be left with only short-session style combat modes all over again with massive chunks of downtime between them (again, there's a heck of lot more downtime than just the TVs.) I guess I'm glad there are people that are enjoying what the game actually is, but I feel like they're going to lose a whole lot of people who could've been easy customers if they'd committed to making Rally mode the prominent gameplay style rather than trying to cheap out with TVs and stubbornly sticking to it despite the CBT feedback you mentioned. The irony, all these people being angry at the game is a GOOD thing because it means people actually care. The alternative is that people are completely apathetic which would genuinely doom it to obscurity. Again, I hope those who ARE enjoying it, don't let the negativity get to them... they should just play the game instead of wasting time getting bogged down in silly fights here, but the fact so many are bothered indicates there still might be more customers they can reach if they act fast and streamline the game a bit. Right now it's a bit too much of an ADHD simulator as they try and pepper you with as many short and quick activities as possible.
The problem is there are idiots in the people angry about the game. What I mean is they complain there is too much talkin in a just released game with a story to it so duh there will be talking. Not just that but this game should not be compared to WuWa because they are very different games targeting different audiences. Hoyo probably knew many did not like the exploration of Genshin/WuWa ( yes 2 hours collecting flowers or rocks to rank up one character, not for me.) and made ZZZ to lean more toward puzzles with the TVs and action combat. That is why I like it so far and as long as the same dev team that handles Genshin is not in charge then there is hope. Currently only the action combat links those two games and pretty much all other aspects are different, either exploration or the puzzles of ZZZ. Every game has a target audience and if people prefer more open world exploration then of course ZZZ will not be very entertaining to you but they also fail to understand there is the other side to that preference. As always my normal reaction to this crap is if you are not having fun then find something else but be respectful to those that like it
@@blazeyprime4470 I'm guessing you mentioned WuWa because other folk tend to bring it up as something to measure ZZZ against. I tend to just try and approach each game as it's own experience. I think trying to compare games all the time is just an unfortunate way of guaranteeing some form of disappointment as there'll always be elements one game does better than another :3 Open worlds are interesting, but I'd actually prefer a more concise and repeatable form of exploration like a dungeon. Again, rather like what the Rally commisions provide. I've actually heard that there's plans to include a lot more rally content going forward and possibly even plans to go back and change the original story missions to rally types too and I'd definitely come back to the game to check it out if that actually happens. Anyhoo, despite all that and the negativity stuff from other folk, I'm glad you're having fun with ZZZ :D
This. I don't know why they aren't using Persona/SMT style dungeon crawling for ZZZ. It would work wonderfully, but I understand how it would be too similar to their other games.
@@Geminosity I think hoyo has always been trying to appeal to a more casual player base since genshin. I really think people should start looking into honkai impact third if they want more of a dungeon crawler or more combat. And in hi3 there's so many different combat modes that are all really interesting. I play both zzz and hi3 for the combat. And imo hi3 does it better.
I personally think that the place where TV fits the best is in Hollow Zero. They shouldn't have added it in so many places, but in Hollow Zero it is straight up fun imo.
I found WuWa boring, and I didn't want another Genshin Impact game, so ZZZ is a cool break from HSR for me. I like that they're trying to be creative, and I like the style. The story is entertaining enough for me to pay attention sometimes, and that's all I need. The people who criticize the game, should keep doing it, I think Mihoyo will do something sooner or later :3
It's mihoyo, don't have too much high hope or you will be disappointed, as much as I love their games this is something I learned from it is not having high hopes
@@flor9014 don't say anything then if nothing happens, listening and doing something about it are 2 different things, also the guy incharge of genshin incharge of zzz so that's why I said what I said
Same, i'm playing since release and so far i didn't encounter mission with recycled TV thing segments but i did have couple that introduced new mechanics like bombs, making paths or avoiding fights by using a teammate you need to push around it's actually really fun
They really did innovate when making that tv system. It's just sad that it drags more often than it stimulates. I did enjoy a few of the TV modes, intermittently. I'm just a little below lvl 40 inter-knot. One of the TV modes I just recently did was one of my least favorite ones of them. Anytime you gotta spend more than 15 mins to work on a thing, when you'd rather spend less than 3, doesn't make for a fun experience. Zenless is very lucky that the combat is exceptional. It's not too easy. It has a very low entry-point, with a higher skill-ceiling than people think. :)
@nerveinz6453 Some of us like the TV System. Much in the same way some people like Turn-based games. If the TV system is not something you can libe with, go play a different game.
I feel like if the TV system was replaced by a 3D version where you control the Bangboo in a 3D space and give players rewards for doing the puzzles but let them skip them if they don't mind losing out on rewards. then it'd be perfect and potentially more creative. I have nothing against the TV 2D dungeon exploring/ puzzles, but that's just me personally.
@drastia2246 yea, I'm saying the transitions between "explore mode" and battles would be more seamless. I think it would be better, maybe faster this way. AKA you can keep moving while characters or fairy talk.
Advertised as a combat focused game, has barely any challenging combat till the endgame, hoyo really shot themselves in the foot this time. I just turn my brain off and enjoy the game.
Zzz has a lot of combat-only content in the game. But I do agree that story mode, “simulated universe” and exploration quests have way less combat and way more TVs. It’s just that, as you said, the majority of combat in the game is in mid/endgame. I’m level 31 and I see a lot of those.
Another big downgrade of the game is not letting you control your characters in the open world, like wth? It's a gacha game, ofc ppl want to Wander around with the character they just pulled, the characters are the core aspect of a gacha, yet they lock you to only play them in combat, seriously, who thought this would be a good idea?
Tbf u can encounter them around the map, and lvl their trust to unlock main menu screens with those characters. Its like any other gatcha tbf. Its just less sitting in the menus cos u walk as a proxy around the map lol.
People who played genshin: First time? Repetitive gameplay: check (literally you press skill buttons to buff your DPS and then go MONKE). Progression wall: check (road to IL 30 is a grindfest) Weak story: because they skipped it. Chapter 1 story is Persona 5, Chapter 2 story is fucking Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann second arc. How can't you love that kind of storytelling? Artifact RNG, Energy limits, W-Engine sucks, leveling progression sucks: agreed, really. There's too much emphasis in energy consumption once you unlocked the 'farming zones' and most of the time the upgrade doesn't match with the energy wasted. Even the free daily 60 energy refresh doesn't do jack shit because it will only cover 1 try at agent/skill upgrading, BUT: - unlike in Genshin you can rerun missions/domains for free. - unlike in Genshin/HSR weekly bosses doesn't cost stamina. - unlike in Genshin/HSR there is no 'high rolls or 'low rolls' on Drivers which means less RNG overall. People who complains about the 'TV system' doesn't consider that it is SIMPLIFYING exploration progress. Have you wandered around in Genshin/WuWa with attention deficit syndrome, triggering puzzles and opening chests left and right thus ended up forgetting why are you getting there in first place? I did. With ZZZ's exploration model you cut away those unnecessary bloat with having everything coded as simple blocky dungeon crawler minigame: heck as someone who has grown with Dragon Quest and other dungeon exploration style games like Etrian Odyssey and Digimon World 2 I'd prefer this style of exploration compared to the need to comb every single point of interest in the open world map. To sum it with comparison: Genshin sacrifices fluidity and image quality in order to get open world. HSR sacrifices realtime battles to achieve model fluidity and detailed image quality/character models. ZZZ sacrifices exploration to achieve realtime battles with fluidity PLUS detailed environment and character models.
Normal people don't want to "simplify content", if the content is just boring and not good enough to be played, you should just cut it out or automate it. And if you simply cut TV out of the game without giving anything in return, even in this case it would only get better.
I just don't like it That simple. It's boring for me. But the game looks pretty. I give you that. If you like it, play it, if not, don't. Plan and simple
I love how the characters look, I like the music and animations. I actually like how the main characters look. It's just.. from what I see, you play the main character, TV mode, and the characters you actually pull, the ones you pay for? You only play them for a couple minutes. Instead of entering a dungeon with random rooms and running around with the characters, you just do a minimalistic version of it via the TV mode. Yeah I would actually enjoy it more if it were set in an open world in a city because that shit is untapped when it comes to anime-styled games (hopefully Project Mugen will be good), but I could've seen myself enjoying it if I could actually... play with the characters I got for most of the game.
edit: to all the people who claim me as a skill issue; english or spanish? tbh wuwa doesnt even feel sweaty…. it just feels like “oh i lost 95% of my health due to this enemy’s unpredictable attack which isnt animated that well. guess ill restart” (good luck fighting against swarms, you just outright die with no reason) honestly wuwa isnt worth playing anyways (longevity is actually really bad with wuwa) enjoy this rant which is now placed your comment
Yeah i agree, if You Say the Main focus is combat, the tv system may look like a chore before the actual game. But, If i see the tv system as part of the game and i like it, then i'm not doing the tv parts thinking about the next combat im already having fun
@@sirmeowmeow7319 Not really, the TV mode is fun. Specially during later levels, they get really creative with it. It's not cope to like the game just because YOU don't like it. lmao
@@gianni.sacciloto its like filler episodes in anime. they do it because the combat has nothing else to offer. so instead of having an engaging combat, its TVs. Yey! spend more time on TVs than combat
It always boils down to exactly "ZZZ does X, Y, and Z exactly like all these other games I like, therefore I don't like it." which isn't a point a thinking human creature can make while maintaining integrity.
Ah yes all other gachas give barely any gacha currency to spend, spend hrs to get to the good part of the game via power grinding to lvl 30, have tons of lolis and furries as bait, button mash combat that was advertised as the most integral and innovative part of their game only to be tvs until lvl 30 and are 60 gbs on release with no open world or anything to warrant such a size
@@Kirraii This is a comprehension issue, a very large amount of people don't understand their own points and their own opinions, because they've chosen to be clueless and not think, so it's really hard to reason with them. But here, in order of appearance: 1. It gives plenty of currency. Maybe not as much as Wuwa, but I haven't checked the numbers. I know ZZZ gives around 170 limited pulls in 1.0, though. 2. Almost all gachas are like this, you spend dozens of hours doing easy AF story content before you have the chance to even attempt end-game. Wuwa being a rare exception, since you can do holograms pretty early. 3. Fanservice = bad..? Is everything you don't like objectively bad and everything you like objectively good? Or do you just think your personal opinion is somehow an argument? (this is a perfect example of what I mean when I say people don't understand their own opinions) 4. Button mash is every single one of Hoyo's games, all 3d gacha I've played, in fact almost every single game I've played can be boiled down to button mash. Not to mention most gachas play without any user input at all. Adding onto that, none of these gacha games have even a modicum of difficulty early on. I can wipe my arse with all early Genshin content with c0 Fischl phys dps spamming basic attacks. Wuwa is the same, 1 Encore skill wipes every mob and mini-boss, the bosses take 2 skill uses, I can sit still and spam E until it's all dead. HSR, same, it's a very stat-check-y game, so even if you could do end-game early on, you'd just get wiped. 5. The TVs are a fair point, since they are different from the usual fetch quest sloggatron 9000 formula, and unfamiliarity is terrifying. The unfortunate part of this argument is that it's always extremely overstated. TVs aren't all that bad, I don't see what's there to dislike about them aside from a couple tiny UI hiccups, and personally find them quite fun. Certainly more fun than walking around between irrelevant NPCs in an open world. 6. ZZZ is 20GB on mobile which matches up with others pretty well. It's 52? 53? on PC, so if you have a small notebook or your only internet is a limited mobile data plan, fair enough.
I am totally in love with the art and the animation of the game. The combat feels simple and complicated at the same time it feels weird, a different take on what HI3 and GS did. However, there are glaring issues that can easily be seen: --The 180 pulls is simply a bait, it takes a long time to get them all and at lvl25 as I am im still far away from getting all that 180 pulls. --The rewards economy is bad, like really bad. Even Genshin had more early game freebies than ZZZ. I'm 50 pulls into Ellen banner and it felt like I'm playing a filler patch like Genshin 1.5 or HSR 1.1 and scraping for every dripple of gems. --I'm Interknot lvl 25 and has like 12 Battery (Fragile resin). Thats extremely low for a gacha game. GS and HSR had like 40+ when you reach mid game. --The point behind the TV system is that, we as the mission overseer sees and directs the mission differently than those who are on the field. I had no problems with it but I can easily see why people are mad with this. They need to trim down the ammount of TV time in story mode and add in some way to progress the story from the OnField team PoV (like run around do some puzzle open some doors or some levers?).
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle And some people scrap together every single 1 and 0 in the damned game and make Lore Compendiums spanning decades... Yes some people speedrun the games, but they are in my opinion insane for doing that... its like saying "Okay so I only got 3 hours of free time, lets fit a 9 hour game into it? what do you mean that is impossible, no I'll beat a 9 hour game in 3 hours..." I am personally a Lore compiler, so spending a bunch of time doing every side quest and logging the gathered data into notes is fun for me, also because I find the bits of stories attached to things endearing I tend to get invested and COME BACK to a game rather than speed run it, ruin the game for myself, and drop it because I have the attention span smaller than 1 grain of rice... if you like to speed run games, cool Gacha games are notorious for breaking speed runners do to unskippable cutscenes...
How in the world do the TVs break pacing when in Genshin I have to run around a pointless open world for 3 minutes to go watch an unskipable cutscene for 5 minutes?
@@forgottempest6983 and the fact that if the internet stutters even once, you are likely to spend around 5 times as long so 3 minute unskippable cutscene booms to around a half hour and just gets worse and worse with each new run needing you to load even more and increasing the workload and chance of needing to repeat the cutscene until you just force quit and leave the game alone for 3 hours to reset your ping...
Have been hearing this multiple times: "the tv system is so bad!" but "the tv system in hollow 0 is enjoyable...". Bruh, do people even understand it is basically just the tv system in the main story (which people keep complaining btw) but without the story part? In that case, do they actually hate the tv system itself or they hate the story keeps them from braindead smashing buttons? It is almost certainly people have been playing the game with an attention span less than a tiktok video and skip literally everything and yet for some reason expect to have fun playing like this. This is crazy.
In my group of friends we hate the Tv system for story bc it the exploration has no effect on your gameplay. Tv system in hollow 0 has impact on your gameplay but it is still very dragging that you have to explore a stupidly childish puzzle. It takes unecessary time and it could be faster by making it like HSR's simulated universe.
@@clearlyboosted1164in the roguelike of zzz (i forgor the name) the tv system does affect the gameplay since wrong move could cause hollow corruption (enemy get stronger)
This is true enough for me actually. I think the tv system is kinda fun, but I dislike how slow it feels when the story is told *through* the tv system. I’d rather the story be told separately from the tv system, even at the expense of the story being shorter. At least then it’d feel short but sweet.
@@liamd8918 which is kinda the main problem, we aa the mc controling the bangbo remotely, the choices are either open world like where we walk around as bangbo (wherr i think would be more annoying), or this tv system.
@@yosefsts7977it don’t matter fr gameplay too easy, I could have max corruption it really doesn’t affect my skills, they literally made this game for people who have skills of a 5 yr old and brain
people were doom posting how bad HSR was on launch just like this months later people suddenly love HSR! who cares come back in a few months all this drama is over, people are out tutorial state of the game and love it
Hsr lacked content but had good gameplay, zzz doesnt lack content and lacks in gameplay, I'd rather afk in hsr than button mash in zzz inbetween my tv gameplay lmao, theres nothing the breaks your immersion of story and gameplay in hsr it all flows together, in zzz we have over 6 gameplay styles going on at once with ingame animations, full cutscenes, comic cutscenes, semi open world, combat, and tv gameplay all sporadically interchanging
HSR is turn based gameplay not many people like turn based unless they a fan of yugioh/summoners war. zzz the tv simulation+puzzle just disconnected player from engagement.
@@Grande_Vtr its the best earning gacha game for about 3 months in a row bro And by the best, its even gap the 2nd game by twice in term of earning🤣 Sounds like every devs would like their game to be "dead" like them
Like it or hate it the game will do just fine. Personally I like, and since I like it I choose to stay away from the gacha/drama community. Have a blessed day to all the haters and players out there🙏.
2:36 exactly, even if you want to do a puzzle, they are boring. And doing a puzzle breaks the mood for combat, then combat breaks the mood for puzzles.
6:30 Aside from the Tv, they also do the lazy part of not even animating the dialogues, doing low budget of this dubbed pictures and doing combat in a box simulator, and still rake lots of money from it. It's like they're saying, the community always eats anything that is branded by Hoyo, so they're now brave enough to throw every shit they can since everyone will still eat it nonetheless.
"they also do the lazy part of not even animating the dialogues" Lmao, it seems u haven't played the game or u just skipped everything. There's plenty of nicely, high quality, smoothly animated cutscenes in the story mode, way more polished than in any gatcha game or even in some AAA games, and no, interactions are animated, genshin was nothing but a stiff fest with 3 chin holding animations. Cope harder.
I played ZZZ and let's just say, it just feels like a lesser HI3. They just applied a formula from ages ago. The Gacha is boring af. Also the gameplay is tiring and not at all engaging.
I think people don't understand that TVs are just basically level select in this game. All they're missing is buffs and route choice. I personally don't understand. TV sections give me more battles than one battle mission.
Me playing the game on a mid smartphone, takes 20s-1m for a loading to finish, so basically i spend most times on tvs and loading screens lol, but i'll still wait till 2.0 see if i'll drop it
I couldn't even install it because it took me a week to download it only to reset to 0% because they updated it. But I can say what one of my friends think: Bro I downloaded 50gb to play the classic hit NOKIA game Snake.
Wait, people think the scenes are too long? What do they even play these games for if not the characters? Just to walk around and press a button at a monster? Wild.
The challenge mode ("more suited for hardcore players") has to be one of the biggest lies I've seen in a gacha LMAO I don't get why they marketed the game as combat focused and even added an optional "hardcore mode" if at the end of the day it was just a lie. Very weird decision.
The game IS actually combat focused and has lots to offer: combos, team-specific mechanics, etc. But you know why it doesn't work? Because the game doesn't punish you for button mashing and playing it wrong until like interknot level 25-30. Hoyo always makes the games very casual at start but I feel like this time they've overdone it. But this game wasn't lying, it's just that the "early game" is too long for many people. I think they should punish players more for mistakes even in early parts but again not overdo it. I really hope they can find some balance between casual start and actually letting players know that combos actually matter A LOT. I heard some people didn't even know there was a combo list in the pause menu. Also it's rather odd that agent tutorials are completely optional.
Because challenge mode in story mode is still supposed to be easily doable by the paywhales - actual hard content is elsewhere; there is no mmo on the marked in which the story content is hard.
The tv's can fuck off. The lack of gameplay can also fuck off. It is a bit hypocritical though because I don't see an outcry at how there's borderline zero combat in the ridiculously long story patches in HSR. It's supposed to be a video game based around combat and it's okay to be a story driven game but you have to remember that it IS actually a fucking video game.
It's a fucking gacha game by Hoyo (80% yapping and 20% game.), so it's really people's problem that they thought it will be only about combat. And the TVs are just your exploration and puzzles from Genshin's open world.
@@justanotherstarcoshipper8641 TellTale games... is that another HoYo studio? if so then it must be pretty poor business... if NOT a HOYO studio, then comparing it is like comparing Pokemon and Elden Ring... yes both have fights, yest both have monster, yes you come back after defeat, but does that mean Pokemon(TellTale) is identical to Elden Ring (HOYO)??? NOPE!
@@justanotherstarcoshipper8641 Sorry, 3 days no sleep... mind is scattered a bit. was saying that HOYO tends to do things differently than most... and it can be annoying at times how often people compare things in one game to another company... like comparing card games to a movie... both are entertainment, both probably are liked by the target audience but are they the same thing? nope...
Maybe i don’t hate the combat, maybe i just hate the story pacing and the fact that there isn’t anything to stimuli my brain enough for me to stay awake midway through a singular cutscene
Genshin: Too much freedom for me, I lose track of shit, feel lost and the gacha system is horendous. HSR: I enjoy this one, good combo of freedom and proper mission guidance, not always down for turn-based combat, prefer more action sometimes. Wuthering Waves: Characters were generic, world was generic, beginner gifts and support were anemic, combat was good though. Zenless Zone Zero: Loving the combat, the story focus, cultural references, the characters, the animations that just make each character feel alive. Sure, the open world is lacking, but the rest of the game is just right up my ally, plus the beginner bonuses are amazing.
After seeing the limited characters in WuWa, I wonder how some ppl are either blind or just blatantly lying about playing the game. Also I wonder if RU-vid is deleting comments
Holy shit the glazing. Had to downplay all top three games with bias, inconsistant takes to portray ZZZ in good light. And not to mention all three games have different genres to ZZZ.
ZZZ is kinda like seeing an Ad about 12 piece spicy chicken wings, you buy it then find out it's a box of 12 piece brussels sprouts. IF Hoyo just advertised it for what it is, a super casual hack and slash, people probably wouldn't have been so critical, except they didn't, they wouldn't shup up about the combat, how satisfying it is, street fighter collab, they portrayed ZZZ as an entirely different game in their advertising.
@@Cocobanni It seems that zzz players get irritated by simply mentioning "wuwa" it's a good bait for anger, besides many of them mentioned that zzz would bury wuwa and that the combat of their game would embarrass them, but look at the reaction now, it seems that they are no longer so happy to be compared
@@kami761 I saw comments from that community on various zzz networks and groups, the zzz community is still the hoyoverse community, therefore it is the same...
honestly impressed they removed a lot of the tv shit, but it really goes to show how shit it is when it's still a problem. cutscenes drag on for too long, the constant cutting between action and non-action, the combat itself was way too easy even on challenge mode and it was hard to even recognize when your actually taking damage and it will only jump from ez to spend money difficulty anyway because gacha, the bloated dialogue which i'm now convinced mihoyo writers get paid for every word, couldn't stand fairy's voice who i now have to listen to while doing the tv shit, i wasn't spending any more time trying to engage with the game with all these factors piled on, i'll stick to star rail.
But...I actually like the TV system. It gives me a break from the constant fighting and fighting and fighting. That's just me, but if I wanted a game where it's just combat after combat, get something like Bayonetta or Kingdom Hearts where the story doesn't matter as much. Since it's a gacha game, I wanna see how well they made the characters, and I did get invested in the Cunning Hares in the first chapter like watching a saturday morning show. A group of people finding themselves in deeper trouble than they bargained for, a mysterious AI and unknown parties after it, and a pair of siblings trying to survive on both sides of the law. I wanna see where it goes, and the combat gets in the way of that if there's too much of it.
Personally the mix of Combat while Raiding the Hollows, the Story weaving between everything you do each Day, and the Character interactions throughout all of it... well it all slots together in an interesting way that to me fits what some have said. Its a playable anime, and it FEELS that way while still not being cheesy.. or not TOO cheesy at least...
i agree with the tv criticism being boring and immersion breaking for some, but the story, the voice acting, the writing, animations is actually pretty good. I also find the combat really enjoyable specially with the parry mechanic in it. Also, it was never advertised as an open world game so i dunno what people were expecting. Another thing, they have cutscenes in the story and they're actually well- animated
The problem with the TV Mode is the TV mode itself, it's like taking one of the puzzles that you usually do to open a door or open a locked chest, and making it THE way you play the game, which gets boring reeeeally fast, not to mention all the other problems of disconection and passing. Tbh there's a lot of problems and quality of life issues in this game, from the Combat to the UI, and there's not really a problem with that since it's a new release, but you would think Mihoyo would know how to properly ship a game WITH those improvements instead of adding them later to make people think "They're listening".
I am used to playing games that requires too much grinding. Just recently I tried Wuwa, a game different from what I usually play. I did give it a try for a couple of days and start to enjoy it. Roaming around the map was something I enjoyed. There were several things I could do from killing monsters, to doing puzzles and mini games. The gameplay was challenging as well. I like it and it suits my taste. Then I heard about Zzz, it would be launching soon. I was excited to try it as well. I was one of those who played it when it was launched. Until now I am still playing it but I just can't enjoy playing it, mainly because of the tv. It's puzzling? Maybe, but for me it's irritating. I guess it's just not my thing. The combat is flashy but not very rewarding. It is very deceptive like you are manually playing it but it feels like you are doing it in auto mode. It's fine but not fun. I have forced myself to enjoy it but I just can't. I'm uninstalling it.
Finally someone who gives some valid criticism, but also EXPLAINS why it doesnt work for them... Hope you get whatever WuWa banner char you going for... I tried it, but it basically was Genshin Impact 2.0 for me, and well Genshin was more interesting to me at the time...
personally i really enjoy the tv system it feels like im exploring but at the same time it sorta feels like theres a limit to what i see until i go into combat also the puzzles they provide sometimes are nice idk i find it fun i like the game the only main gripe i got is that theres waaay to many currencies my head doesnt grasp it all yet lol
Good for you that you liked or not the game, I'm only here for drama at this point as it is more appealing than the game itself. "I didn't like the game." = "You are a hater" "I like the game." = "The glazing is insane" If people didn't like the first hours of the game, they have their right to quit and dislike the game tbh. They don't need to waste hours with the hope of liking the game at endgame after all of that time invested just for them to express their opinions. We want to create Genshin players 2.0 level of sunk cost fallacy again but with more furries and lolcons? 😔 How is everyone's experience going? I quitted because I didn't differentiate between 5 stars and 4 stars, they all look like 3 stars except the maid and nicole which look like 4 stars lol (I'm clearly not the target demographic). There are more examples the game isn't made for players like me but I'm not saying I hate the game in case I wasn't clear enough. TLDR: [insert WuWa saved my life copypasta to make mad everyone]
@@Aezthet1C that drama made me realize the person I always defended is incapable of aknowledging something and apologizing when they're wrong Tectone, ubsubbed because my channel got hidden mostly just liked discussing things with others about stuff but seeing as I made a mistake I'm free So basically nobody will see my yapping, lots of my top comments are hidden too Ima just support smaller creators and vibe with them
I’d agree with your comment but people shouldn’t be posting their opinion and putting it as fact because they didn’t like the first hour of the game. I think it’s completely fine quitting the game the after the first hour, they simply didn’t like it and that’s ok, the problem comes when they start saying that the game’s too easy, the system combat is Hi3 but worse because they have not experienced the full game and are simply basing their opinions on 1 hour of gameplay and i think that’s dumb because then they start wars for no reason. So in conclusion i think people can like either like or dislike the game but and it’s completely fine if they don’t like it, but they should not go online and present their experience with the game as the truth because they’ve experienced a small portion of the game
@@syllet2694 oh I was wondering about that, how does the combat change later on? Bosses get new patterns? You learn new mechanics? Or combat gets harder because bosses become boxing bags that can kill you?
My only issue with the game is I can't wander around as any of the cool characters I get. I have to be the boring manager. Let me run around as Lycaon! I got lucky enough to pull him, I want to be able to use him in more than just combat.
the problem is with the people nowadays being addicted to quick and easy dopamine, pacing of everything but short form videos is too long for everyone now
Disagree to a point, I’d say some people do that, but at the same time, it’s the creators job to keep you invested. I find dialogue in the game monotone and uninteresting, there’s a lot of dialogue that doesn’t provide anything other then filling up the time. So there’s the combat left to enjoy, but there isn’t much of it, at all, I’ve “played” for about two hours today and played for about 15 minutes, the rest was watching cutscenes and slideshows that doesn’t interest me much. So, of course all that is subjective, but I really don’t like this trend of shaming and blaming people for simply disliking a product, maybe it’s just not that good of a product, and maybe you should up your standards.
there is just SOOOO much uninteresting yapping, combined with so much text ,and differrent items, buffs, debuffs, resonances etc. it's all textual overload. All the mini animations in the TV system, it makes it all so tedious, especially when in it's essence the puzzles aren't that hard or rewarding. (same goes for the combat)
In my opinion, ZZZ is probably the worst game made by this company: The combat system is empty, you can parry, but forced to switch between characters (also forced to switch after 2 basic attack), also ultimate skill and skill seems like a normal attack and does less damage than attacking normally. Auto lock system that doesn't allow you to attack boxes in the map if there is a monster in the other side of the map. The TV system make me sleep, yes is so boring that I'm falling asleep every time. Also, 50 GB of this game... where???? for what???? There are only some areas, a couple of cutscenes. The rest of the game is, getting bored around the overworld with infinite dialogues, to a tv system mechanics with MORE chat box and dialogues, to fake cutscene of characters talking, to fighting monsters (that are not even interesting) in OVER RE-USED map. So not... is not just the TV system mechanic... this game is very long already, but only because 90% of dialogue are useless. Also, doing main quest and side quest is not very rewarding to the player. I probably played already 10 hours and I got the total of 25 premium pulls. Not worth it for me.
Even tho the TV issues were brought up in CBT 1. There are so many voice lines and hours on references to what's going on that TV system that it cannot and would not be able to be changed. Animating the first chapter 1 and part of chapter 2 would put the game into a year or years delay. I'm sure there will be less TV's for future patches and new content.
Heck it said tv need to solve puzzle well.. Genshin main quest have puzzle, hsr have puzzle too and even wuwa story have puzzle thats not a valid argument dude
This reminds me of the exact same hate HSR got for being turn based and not being completely open world. Its a different game of course it has different mechanics. If it was open world people would complain it is too close to gensin. I like the exploration tv missions personally. It looks like they are trying to create something between the level of focus required for gensin and HSR
I’m kinda in this weird place where I get what they’re doing, but I kinda don’t like it. It isn’t the worst, and the dialogue at least isn’t nearly as long as HSR and Genshin, and WuWa, but it’s still kinda tedious
@@brawler5760 The dialogue isn't bad. Genshin have no good running jokes, WuWa probably has that One Piece intro reference. But next to Genshin and WuWa, HSR and ZZZ humor is definitely on another level.
Alongside reminding you that you are NOT the people in the hollow, but instead are trying to GUIDE Those people OUT of there before they die and can't pay you their fee... the TV only matches the fact that each TV screen would be use running a render difference in Genshin, or an entire map section in HSR... and most of it be empty and boring... yes there might be some bits of lore you could squeeze in, but I think people having to run through 10-20 empty zones would literally kill any support the game has..
I'll say what i say on every video of this kind, the vibe of the game is amazing, art style is cool and music is 10/10, but what decides if I stay or not is the gameplay, and if the gameplay of the game the first 20 hours is 80% chores and 20% cumbat then the game is not for me, and apparently is the case for a large amount of people, for me is a shame bcs i had so much hype that got completely obliterated in the first 4 hours of playing it.
Aside from TV system the combat in ZZZ itself is mediocre at best I don't really how the game force you to swap character after you stunned your enemy and enemies is nothing but punching bag.
this is getting pathetic, this is why i play phantasy star and stick with that for the most part because all of the hate and drama is some of the most loser and anti social behavior i've seen in a while. imo phantasy star is WAY better than ANY of these gacha's.
I don't mind the TV system outside of the story-mode. It's only annoying when I want to quickly dash through a tv puzzle but I'm stopped every five seconds by unnecessary character dialogue. Agreed that the end game hollow tv moments are much more enjoyable because there isn't anything break up the flow of it.
honestly they couldve just done something like HSR's semi-open world but everything in itself is unique and I think player's would love that and also CANT THEY JUST FIX THE UNITY BUG, I SAW A POLL AND 400 PEOPLE HAD THAT PROBLEM, FIX THE PROBLEM THAT MAKES IT SO YOU CANT PLAY THE GAME No hate on the game, I love the game just saying a way to make the game better
first point, semiopen world in the hollow will just drag the game more second point, it just came out tho its aready been 6 days as of writing this dunno if its been fixed since its working for me
Im ganna put an essay in here so im ganna yap about this Why ZZZ is hated is because the first 1-4 hours of the game is not engaging ... Points: The Tv system (in you're video) The Combat : •They didn't teach you how to play the game they just teach you how to swap characters but those characters that you use are actually have depth to it . •Monsters are slow to attack and challenge mode is just a bullet sponges enemies . In conclusion they have a good systrm but those system are hidden . They should be accessible as a Train system or the Trial's teaches you how to use those characters .. as for the enemies i think they need to have a faster attacking enemies and not be on a staggered state so much if you hit them . Why 1-4 hours of gameplay is important ? : Because it represent the core of the game and if the core of the game is not engaging enough or not interesting , they will drop it out . Thats why games have demo's those demos shows you the core of the game .. they represent the game so much . If you are saying ohh the end game is actually different , i think the endgames are the decoration of the cake (the springkle on top) if the cake is meh the cake will still be meh
I actually like the tv part very much! I think changing between cutscenes, main world, tv minigame and battles is very refreshing and makes it less repetitive. Most of farming is just combat, so I think the tv problem is just for the start of the game where people just want to constantly fight.
The problem isn't the tv system, it's the fact that you can't move while characters are speaking that makes people think the tv system is stalling them. otherwise you would be halfway through puzzle and towards next battle if they just let us move. Though to be honest I'd appreciate more combat in those.
This 100%. I don't mind the system itself, it's just the fact that you aren't even allowed to do anything without it pausing every other move. It's absolutely fucking stupid.
I actually like the tv system however i do agree it breaks the flow. They need to be separated and luckily towards the endgame it is sorta like that. Exploration is usually just tv stuff with weird mechanics which are enjoyable and combat is just combat. The "simulated universe" of this game is where they are still a thing together but I dont mind it there cause they are usually linked in some way making choosing if you go to a tile or not meaningful. The big issue is that story *also* has both of these and its alot of the game so i can understand why people would be turned off. Either way its no big deal, my bigger issue is the abysmal drop rates lmao
You know, ZZZ is a fast paced game with fast paced combat, animations, fast story telling and cutscenes with skip buttons (wow), but the TV is the one holding back the game from an amazing score. You know what what would fit with the games fast pace while removing the TV’s? We can do fast paced platforming. It can either be an open world additional(like taking other routes to the destination) or it can just be linear. Also since the MC’s of the game can’t do combat, we can add another gimmick to them as being fast and jumping, so they would be the ones doing fast and fun platforming instead of the TV sections. Hoyoverse removing the TV section away from the fast paced 3 things and replacing it with some nice and skillfully made platforming could make this game a lot better. And the Hollow Zero could take a similar route of Sonic Frontiers’ 3rd DLC, just make the platforming a bit challenging but don’t spike up the difficulty too much, or our sensitive community can hate it again.
