And Zoro on the other hand isn't really the type to show friendly / warm emotions in the first place, but views Sanji as bro for sure. I'd argue that if he didn't he wouldn't even shout and fight with him over trivial things in the first place.
They aren't friends, they are brothers. They annoy the hell out of each other, but they have complete faith in them as well. They never really doubt the other when in a crisis.
Honestly after WCI I think it's perfectly clear that just as Zeff is Sanji's "real" father, Zoro is Sanji's "real" brother. There are lots of parallels there between Zeff/Judge and Zoro/Sanji's brothers. Just like with Zeff, on the outside it appears that Sanji gets along terribly with him but deep down they have the deepest of bonds. Enough for Sanji to make Zoro the most important request he could in the end of Wano.
Never seen this guy, but glad someone said it then. Brothers fight, brothers can be stupid. But you love AND fight. Brotherhood is love and war, look at how both Luffy and Ace after Alabasta decided to chase their own individual dreams. To become, or make someone, the Pirate King. Showing direct competition without SERIOUS confrontation. On another note, IT IS THE FIRST MATES RESPONSIBILITY, to ensure the captain is being "captainly" and the after pretty his crew. On the other hand, as a Third mate TYPICALLY, and being Sanji, they are much more inclined to protect and support the crew, even if some, are his most "adored" friends. If INDIVIDUALS feel attacked by the ideals of another it is because they question themselves or where they lie within the two ideals. Also, Yes Sanji is, at least currently until either receive more significant development there to remind Zoro that he is human, and he can't chase a strong Devil Fruit user too similarly in terms of power and skill. Lastly, almost all characters are skilled enough to thrive in some way or another outside of their position. Which is what makes their dedication to each of their crews/ groups more impactful in terms of staying or switching sides.
even better they argue if JIMBEI is stronger than Zoro, completely ignoring Sanji. imagine not only the fans reaction but Sanji's. hed fight Zoro on deck just to prove a point
Shabondy was a good interaction too. When they're fighting the first Pacifista, Sanji notices Zoro's wounds from Thriller Bark haven't healed yet, so when they're running away from Sentoumaru, Kizaru and the other Pacifista, Sanji actually asks Franky to look after Nami (who he was originally guarding), and goes to help Zoro specifically because he knows he's too hurt to defend himself. They're brief, often silent and far-off between, but those moments of respect and care are always good to see. But yes, like you said the Zoro/Sanji thing is interesting because while they do respect each other, and (deep down) care for each other, they're not really "friends" like the rest of the crew.
@@diegoborlini6840 although his comment is dumb by saying one is better than other after such a great video, your comment is pathetic too. They both dislike each other equally and they are differently written characters and claiming one to be better is utter nonsense
Despite the fact I love both of them, this is the most overrated discussion in One Piece. There’s more interesting things to discuss than this in the series.
That's why it baffles me that Morj repeatedly says in livestreams that he hates these discussions and yet he always spends the most amount of time on Zoro or Sanji superchat questions and ignores more interesting non-superchat theories/questions.
I found it interesting, that Sanji admitted that Zoro was right, when Zoro had his badass talk to the crew about Ruffy not being allowed to go and get Ussop before he apologizes. Sanji even shut Nami down by doing so, because she was talking. I liked that moment for both of these characters.
It is even more interesting that Sanji's response and agreement is very underappreciated which might even be the point of his action - while Zoro is Luffy's second in command as well as partner in combat, Sanji works in the shadows and often by himself, so naturally he often is underappreciated. The fact that Sanji's input in that situation is more on subtle side and on surface overshadowed by Zoro's (kind of like entire Kuma's pain scene) speaks even more about the chef's nature in crew, being in background behind the foreground that is Luffy and Zoro. There is also the bounty situation. ... Man, Oda is such an incredible writer.
@@highlysus in German its Ruffy wich actually is a name for us here 😄 Never got used to "Luffy" because it means nothing to us HAPPY NEW YEAR BROTHER!!!
Oda: "I will create this funny rivalry between Zoro and Sanji to entertain all One Piece fans!" **Zoro and Sanji fans emerge, become real-life avatars of both characters and start holy wars** Oda: "I made a huge mistake."
sanji is a well defined character...whether people want to admit it or not sanji has a genuinely distinct unique character for this story and great motivations hes been established hes done good things for the crew...hating on him is insane...hes one of the beter characters in one of the best stories ever told..zoro is not quite as great but its close for sure...
When you talked about Zoro not calling Sanji by his name even once, it made me think of Zeff, who always called him Eggplant. But when Sanji was about to leave Baratie, Zeff finally called him by his name. I wonder if Oda will do something similar with Zoro and Sanji.
Zorro and Sanji's whole in-character debate comes back to their treatment of women. I'm not even joking, the first time they EVER fight is when Nami pretends to betray the Strawhats. Zorro treats her as a credible threat, and Sanji is too busy thinking with his groin to do anything but roll over for her. That was the start of their bad blood. This comes back to Zorro's backstory, where his whole MOTIVATION for becoming so strong in the first place is because of his childhood friend, who was constantly treated as less credible because she was simply born a girl. Because of this, Zorro treats women like equals, including equal threats and equal warriors. He will never disregard a threat because they were born a girl, the way his childhood friend was disregarded. Sanji, meanwhile, had it beaten into his head as a child (by Zeff) to never hit a woman, etc, etc. When you add in his complete "white knight" attitude towards any attractive woman who crosses his path, it just makes the differences between the two that much more stark.
Except Zoro doesn't treat women as equals, that was the whole thing with the bird chick from punk hazard and I feel like there was another time I'm not remembering
@@SeksBott69 You are not remembering because there is no such thing my friend. Zoro doesn't respect Monet cuz she was weak. If she were a man he'd take the piss either way. Rather it was Monet who thought that Zoro would treat her differently
YMS To be honest, I tune out most of the discussion about Zoro vs Sanji especially if it involves power-scaling. If we're talking about the story and how the character has been treated during post-timeskip fair enough, but really I don't really care to engage in what will likely turn out to be a debate that goes into circles.
Zoro vs Sanji is absolute cancer and nonsensical. One of the main reasons why I disconnected myself from the OP community as a whole. It makes me think everyone is a kindergartener.
Still wainting for a Legolas-Gimli moment like: "I never thought I would die side by side with a shit cook" "What about side by side with a friend?" "Aye. I could do that"
@@atomicambition8899 anyone who think that shipping characters = actually expect it to happen, must have iq in negative numbers. Of course Sanji is straight, duh
@@atomicambition8899 i think people are allowed to ship what they want, why should you care if it’s ’correct’ or not? They’ll do their own thing and you do yours
Thank god you said something about this. I don’t even like going to the comments sections of other one piece reviews anymore just because I know there’s gonna be some jabs thrown towards Zoro or Sanji and then it spirals into a toxic argument between the fans. Shit kills the vibe of any video or discussion. It needs to stop or at least be toned down drastically.
What kills the vibe more is seeing Sanji do the same shit every chapter since his arrival in One Piece. I'm surprised Oda isn't tired of drawing hearts in Sanji's eyes yet. Even Ussop's character matured way more than him.
@@ronjm1640 Usopp and Sanji have shown the same characteristics this arc that they’ve always had. Usopp was still quivering and fleeing from Ulti and Page 1 and even told Nami to say Luffy wouldn’t be King of the pirates so she could save her own life. Both characters fall into their habits.
@@ronjm1640 This is the most invalid criticism I have ever seen written, congratulations! Sorry for being a dick, but ‘sanji doing the same shit’ is what you would expect! What, do you make this same criticism while Zoro is doing training? Or when Luffy is eating a buffet? How about when Usopp makes a joke or when Brook sings? This is just ridiculous at this point. If you phrased it like ‘I dont like how sanji acts’, that is totally different. But no, you did not say that. You said ‘I dont like sanji doing the same shit’. Which is the same level of criticism of ‘I dont like it when rice tastes like rice.’ Again, I do apologize for being a dick but good writers make sure their characters act in character. They are supposed to act like people with their traits, ideology, backstory etc and unless they go through an explicit character arc that changes any of that, they are always going to act the same. Sanji is a pervert. Zoro is a samurai. Usopp is doing that marksman thing I guess. You get the point. Rant over.
They being mad on sanji being caught by a spiderweb, well zoro once stuck in a chimney. I still think zoro is in between luffy and sanji but the hate sanji gets after the recent chapter is nuts
I mean sanji ran into the a spiderweb and couldn’t react in time despite being one of the fastest if not the fastest member of the crew, while zoro got kicked into the chimney by a way stronger character
@@wiillyxX because of a woman (black maria) and "plot" we all know he can escape that spider web if he wants to sanjis not weak. All in all its for the plot just like how zoro and luffy stuck in a building/chimney
@@asap4bri lol, if these fights happens it will be 100% off-screen and a victory for both Queen and King or just some clashs, mark my words. King and Queen are the most important antagonists in this arc after kaido and big mom, and you think Oda will get them defeated by minor allies like Marco and drake (compared to the Mugiwaras they are minor characters) ?
@Abdullahi Hussen Adan that’s why Marco vs king would be boring we kinda of already know Marco is a beast but we want Zoro to have a 1v1 to show how strong he s gotten
I've been watching OP for more than 12 years and honestly didn't know about this until last year. I've never took part in the larger community discussions. People are actually mad over a comic relief dynamic. Like I literally can't see the objective behind arguing for a clear winner....
Same! I was so excited to see what the One Piece fandom was like when I got caught up to the manga, just to find out how much toxicity there was. One Piece is such a good story with amazing characters, and the fact that so many people prefer to only stick to Sanji vs Zoro is kinda sad.
I think it's just an interesting topic. I definitely agree people get really weird and obsessive over it, but aside from that it's a lot of fun actually arguing about them strength wise with someone who's actually constructive cause there are arguments on both sides. It comes from a passion about the show and characters, I think. It's less the comic relief dynamic, more that both characters have a clear rivalry and large fanbase, and so there are lots of discussions about the perceived strength of both characters cause in both cases we are yet to really see either be pushed in the post-timeskip era.
Same, I’ve been watching OP for like 10years now and still never took part in those discussions.. and I’ve always liked all of them.. Zoro a little more cause I like his swordsmanship but I like Sanji just as much
Morj i think you should talk about the colour spreads at some point. I honestly think they are very important because they give us a lot of SH moments that we don't get in the main series
In one of the last colour spreads. I saw Shanks arguing with Sabo and Ace, while they are all sitting on a blue dragon with a death symbol on his leg. Somethin is coming guys... Colour spreads never lie...
The "who is stronger" discussion is pointless. They have very different goals: Zoro to become the strongest swordsman, Sanji to find All Blue. They are not competing for the same things. Zoro is the type of person who enjoys fighting. Sanji enjoys cooking, and usually fights to protect/save his friends or family or any lady in danger. Both are equally important to Luffy and the crew.
sanji isn't just a cook, even though his goal is only to find All Blue, he also wants to be stronger to protect his friends. That's why he chose to use the RS to save his friends when they are in danger. Sanji getting stronger to protect his friends, Zoro getting stronger so he will be acknowledge even in heaven, Ichigo is fighting to protect his friends, Naruto is becoming stronger so people will acknowledge him, this just proof that One Piece is the best.
So look at yourself in the mirror and tell yourself you compared a Swordsman and Cook in strength 💀💀 the argument is pointless because it’s clear Zoro is far stronger than Sanji
@@silhouette9699 Don’t forget to mention that cook also bodied a commander relative to King, who was giving Zoro those hands. Never understood why people act like Sanji being a cook justified a huge power gap when the story never presents it as an issue. Lol
They're both well written characters, and taking this debate to the toxic levels is utterly childish I think that Zoro is stronger than Sanji but I like Sanji as a character more than Zoro, but I still very much like Zoro
As a powerscaler and vs debater, this particular debate makes me ashamed that I am a powerscaler and vs debater One Piece has a pretty wholesome community except in this one area because my god usopp. I wish Oda took it the different direction sometimes...
"Well Written"?? Lmao...both of these characters are poorly written. They don't even crack the top 10 best written character in the series despite both of them being part of the main cast.
I think the biggest thing that people tend to forget is that, even if its not stated out right, slowly over the story Zoro and Sanji have come to recognise each other as equals. They recognise each other as equals not because of their power, but their own individual devotions to their crew as they both cover one another by making up for the others weakness and bolstering their strengths.
I remember ppl were like “wait till Zoro finds out about Luffy v Sanji” 😂😂😂 I’m thinking you guys don’t understand there dynamic ...That situation was different from the usopp situation it was more like Robin situation and ppl still think Zoro going’s to do something smh
@@luffytaro2387 that’s my point Sanji left the crew to protect them ....even Luffy knew Sanji was hurting more by pretending to be mean and attacking him ...Luffy himself said it ...it was already settled between them....ZORO isn’t going to do shit because it has nothing to do with him..... it’s different from Usopp situation
@@zdragon15 technically the usopp situation had nothing to do with zoro but zoro still done something, he has every right to be annoyed at sanji for raising his hands against luffy their captain
@@luffytaro2387 Sanji didn't have "too much" of a reason, but he certainly had enough of one. The reason why Sanji's situation is different than Usopp's is because he, just like Robin, believed that his actions were for the benefit of the crew, including their captain. That wasn't the case with Usopp.
@@PazuChill Zoro literally Said I will leave the crew if Usopp doesn’t apologize before rejoining..... Sanji acknowledged to Luffy that he should not be allowed to return to their crew for hitting Luffy and Luffy punched him right in the face and asked him “what do you want to”?.... Sanji admitted that he wanted to return back to Sunny...I don’t really see what Zoro would do or say after that it was already settled between Sanji and Luffy themselves and it’s not Luffy getting walked over in this situation so what should Zoro be upset about??? ......and ppl think Zoro’s going to beat Sanji’s ass which will not happen. It’s pointless
Relatable, I'd say I'm a mix of sanji and Usopp but I like zoro and Whitebeard the most, not only because they are strong and cool but mainly because I look up to them, and aim to be like them in some ways .
That's exactly how Oda-sensei portrays them. If you look up the rules of bushido (justice, honor, self-control, courage, etc.), Zoro exemplifies it to a T. Sanji is more like the European knights we know - chivalrous, gallant, benevolent, a gentleman towards the ladies, very loyal. Both are great characters. When Oda-sensei gave them countries they'd come from Zoro was obviously a samurai from Japan and Sanji was a musketeer from France.
@@MagetoLp LMAO What kind of logic is that? So all samurai were winners? One quick search of the Sengoku period will debunk that. We're in a video describing how toxic the Zoro vs Sanji debate is and all you want is Zoro to one up Sanji again? I swear the zorotards come out of the woodwork when you type Zoro and Sanji close to each other anywhere. I've had enough of this discussion in the 18 years I've known One Piece. No use wasting any more brain cells on you after this comment.
broke: pitting zoro & sanji against each other woke: shipping zoro & sanji bespoke: enjoying them both as complex and interesting characters in a greater narrative of friendship and fate
I honestly think that'd be great. Character development or regression. Sounds cool. I definitely would skip reactions and comment sections though, if ever.
@@silver_soul Sanji fans would cry because he lost, Zoro fans would cry because they felt entitled to a curb stomp that realistically wouldn't be the case, just like how they did when he fought Killer. Hell, I think a lot of Sanji fans would take Zoro winning as expected and think it's 'evidence' that he's less interesting as a character, however stupid that is.
Me... My fav character is zoro, but I'm rooting for sanji and feel for him back in whole cake island arc... Recently, i found this heat argument about who's better...smh, both is a cool character
I'm a Sanji fan and i'm ok with Sanji being 3rd (its literally in his name lol). I personally hate Zoro fans loving the series only for the fights and the rest is boring and being presumptuous at the point him being n 1 and shit talk Sanji, because he fights withouth a weapon so is easy to kill (forgetting Luffy doesn't have weapons).
@@pandaman1331 you never been on twitter huh? When did i justify any toxic behaviour of zoro stans? In my reply i am clearly talking about sanji fans. You are the one making false accusations. So if i dont say that zoro stans are toxic every single comment, that means i am justifying zoro stans toxic behaviour? Are you a 10 year old that you need me to spell it out for you that zoro stans are toxic or do you get pleasure after seeing someone say "zoro stans are toxic".
My own type of personality tends to be more like Zoro's and I find great inspiration in his sense of honor and unbreakeable determination. On the other hand my own personal values align pretty well with Sanji's, specially with regards to women (I also practiced taekwondo for years and so it was only natural that I'd love his fighting style). With that being said, in all my 10 years of reading and watching One Piece I never understood those childish discussions and meaningless debates over these two characters and by the end of this journey it will probably stay like that. Edit: With regards to manliness, that's also a reason why I love the two. Zoro is more of the Chad-like, high testosterone, badass type of dude who doesn't take women seriously in a physical sense and it's not really interested in them or find them annoying (while also getting mad when someone harms one: like Enel with Robin), while Sanji is the more traditional, gentleman-like type of manliness, the one who loves women (or the archetype of the feminine) and is willing to forgive even their lies (thinking about Robin and Viola). Both also resonate deeply with me.
My personal take on it is that people tend project their view how sanji should be than what he is. everyone want their favorite character to be stronger but thats not have it follows in the story. It doesn't help that both Luffy and Zoro's Goals aline with strength and leadership (PK and greatest swordsman tittle) while Sanji's is on exploration (All blue).
thank you for the video never knew about such a debate isn't it obvious that Zoro is stronger but Sanji is cleverer? I thought it's kind of explicitly stated by Oda
@@yugfus that goes for every character in the story but we know the truth anyways ahahah its the same principle. At least that's how I view it but yeah I can understand why some people need it to be way more obvious LOL
the problem with zorofans is that when you state sanji's qualities over zoro like "faster" "cleverer" etc... they will try to make you believe that even in this fields zoro is better, they are so in denial i swear... it's obvious zoro is more brute power, but that doesn't mean he will destroy by a mile sanji because sanji uses his brain and is faster.
@@houseofmatrix6174 s Same Sanji Usopp Zoro Luffy Robin Frankly Nami Brook Chopper Jinbei That’s my favorite to least favorite lol, and even tho jinbei is my least favorite he’s still an 8/10 character in the series. That just shows how freaking amazing this series is.
@@TsdsxSansTSSunStone Zoro , Ace Sanji, Crocidle, Nami , Tashagi, Iceberg, Marco , Hawkeye, Shanks, i made song about anime would you be interested in listening
I'm pretty confident Oda will *never* give us any definitive answer or point of comparison here. The moment their rivalry really solidified was their contest on Little Garden over who could bring back more meat, and Oda went out of his way to highlight the parallel between that and how the giants' duel got started Zoro and Sanji will be forever going at it, just like Dorry and Broggy. Maybe one is stronger or maybe not, but either way the duel will never have a clear outcome
The only place I remember Zoro calling him by name was anime addition on Little garden when Zoro and Sanji brought 2 dinosaurs and saw each other(anime filler addition)
Me as Sanji fan i follow another religion, i don't worship the god of salvation "D.Usopp", to destroy our enemy (Zoro) i worship the god of death "D.Stairs". I'm joking i'm a Sanji fan but i love Zoro too and Usupp meme is the best XD
Itd be intersting if Zoro and Sanji needed to be a functioning duo to make up for a vacuum if luffy gets a temporary L.Would LOVE to see oda troll the fandom the same way he did with zoros Conquerors haki
@Young Victor because it was. Oda made it look like Zoro used conquerers haki when he didn’t. He got a lot of fans excited and it wasn’t it which is pretty funny. That’s trolling.
Zoro and Sanji have different kind of rivalry, when they bumped in to each other they would start arguing and results in a fight. They are like dog and cat or oil and water, their argument is what makes the strawhat crew more interesting so I don't mind which one of them shines first in the strory, like Roger said to Pedro " Everyone has their own time to shine".
As a person that prefers Sanji over Zoro. Personally it was never about strength. It’s clear that Zoro is stronger than Sanji as he is the “number 2”. It was about a point you touched on in the video their code of living or “manliness”. I just feel more relatable with Sanji and I feel he represents who I am better which makes me feel closer to him. Not that I dislike Zoro’s code. I respect it and love the character very much. I just wish the fans got along better than the characters do :). Great video Mr. Morj, keep it up.
When I was a teen it was more One Piece vs Naruto screeching vs Zoro vs Sanji. I never delved into this 'in-fighting' push for either Zoro or Sanji, I am more in the camp of give Nami, Usopp, and Chopper some more moments. Let the weaklings shine!
@@heroricspiritfreinen38 I don't. I'm just exaggerating (to some extent) and stereotyping as well, since most people after a certain age don't have the time to have petty arguments on the internet. I might also be projecting, since I used to be someone who'd spend hours on end "responding" to people in long arguments over stuff like this.
Guys I might get a lot of hate for this comment but I think that zoro is only slightly stronger than sanji (and btw I like sanji more) like let's say sanji is 8~8.5/10 and zoro is a 9/10 (I think oda enjoys his fans arguing about this 😂😂😂)
Oda is propably just as tired of this as we are. When people ask him about any sort of fight between the M3 members he always says that it would end in a draw because he doesn't like pwerscaling or talk about powerlevels. I mean powerlevels in one piece never made any sense, it should be obvious that Oda doesn't like linear power levels
I consider myself mostly a Zoro fan. I watched One Piece with a friend, and he was a truly Sanji fan, but when Whole Cake Island occured, I started accepting much more his opinion, and the same happened to my friend when Wano happened. I'm proud to say that we both improoved.
"They are NOT friends because they only speak at each other through insults, never call each other by name and don't agree on anything..." Oh, damn. So my dumbass best friend Maki isn't really my best friend? I'll have to let him know cuz he won't pick up on it without help, he's a little slow. Lol
Haha! Right! That’s their showing in friendship. I like Mr Mroj and respect his research, but I also need to point out that, over 1000 chapters, Zoro and Sanji hang out together the most in many panels. Can’t take the surface value from the insulting conversation, many characters flow insulting conversation as a funny gags: Nami, Usopp, etc. They are hot-headed characters and they sometimes communicate thru these. As a reader, I find it funny and hilarious!
Being companions is different than being friends. Sure they have bonded in a weird way over the course of their adventure, but if it wasn't for luffy and the crew i doubt they would hang around as friends.
@@thanasissy6953 I don’t really agree to your point. Let’s check how Zeff and Sanji communicate! They never exchange good conversation and even insulting language to each other, at least in the surface we witness in the show. But they truly care about each other. That’s kind of tough love Zeff show to Sanji and Sanji get used to, and inherit. Zoro and Sanji are expressing their care by actions, not words! It is not difficult to comprehend. Besides, They are nakama. This word “nakama” (仲間 / なかま) in japanese means a lot of thing, very deep in companionship. luffy and sanji are nakama, luffy and zoro are nakama, zoro and sanji are also nakama. Then, it is not hard to understand they held no grunge even their like to bicker to each other. They are still nakama at the end of the day!
facts yo they are friends but they just don’t know how to talk to each other friendly, does that make since? cuz half the time when zoro and sanji are together they are just chillin until one of them ask the other to do something and then they make fun of each other and friends do that... a lot.
Pre timeskip, they had some back and forth where their strength in relation to each other was in question. They both didn’t seem to have any trouble in along park, though zoro was injured and Sanji was facing the guy with a higher bounty, in alabasta, they both won, but Sanji seemed more definitively above mr. 2, than zoro seemed definitively above mr. 1. In enies lobby, zoros opponent had a lightly higher dourki but was new to his zoan power, while Sanjis opponent had much more experience and mastery of a carnivorous zoan, but they both needed new moves to win and both were still ok enough to keep fighting. The argument for close to if not equal power was there. But in the new world? Zoro comes off as stronger so far, in ,y opinion, though the raid suit and Enma add new elements to this
Sanji vs Zoro Will always be legendary For the wrong reasons “ luffys my favorite & he’s stronger then both , SOooo “Edit: but I’m also a sanji fan so I get no rest Edit: luffyfans do not have peace at all we have to fight back the goku meat warmers that rides his pickle and Naruto stans etc saying there better
I love their dynamic exactly for its ability to make people foam at the mouth with rage over the pettiest things... Meanwhile I'm just kicking back appreciating this goddamn masterpiece
Oda is a marketing genius. How he has managed to resist pitting these 2 against each other to ignite and divide the fanbase is more mysterious than the one piece itself.
I never understood how anyone could dislike Zoro or Sanji. Both characters are well written and I’ve enjoyed their manly brotherhood ever since the start. I have a friend that I share the same bond with like Zoro and Sanji. We bicker and insult each other and we never show affection to each other but deep down both of us care about one another. So, I understand how GOda is writing both of them, they don’t need to use words to show how much they respect each other because actions speak louder than words.
To be honest I never realized that the rivalry was as toxic as you make it out to be. Personally, I like both of them. That being said, I do think that Zoro is portrayed as stronger.
There are many non zoro fan who dont like sanji for being too much perevert the way sanji react when he see laday is so irrirating since time skip while there is nothing to hate in zoro's character...
@@sigma2503 now dont say there is nothing to hate about sanji's personality many people dont like pervert attitude sapecially sanji how he reacted in fishman island how he was reacting in sabond when he saw lady...
Yeah I honestly hate that this toxic fandom who cares who is someone else favorite ? I love both characters equally i don't like anyone more than the other it's just makes me sad that people honestly think they just need to pick one favorite
Some people are really, really obsessed with power-scaling, while others refuse to see Zoro as being anything less than equal to Luffy in terms of strength, (they seem to think that the series is still in Whiskey Peak, I guess?) seemingly viewing Sanji being treated as Zoro's equal like an insult.
In my own way, I see their rivalry as a way to keep each other in check and focused because they need to be at their best especially when Luffy is about to start things. It keeps them working hard for Luffy and the crew as a whole, as I see them as the right and left hand of the crew.
@@lostmarimo thats not an insult, that’s what’s going on with these toxic kids. They all talk recklessly behind their keyboards with no consequences. They’re by far the worst part about one piece fandom and should all be banned from stuff like RU-vid, Reddit etc etc. cause there’s no place for it.
@@NotTheWEJ i am 26 and i like to discuss the monster trios powerlevel. Now maybe i am not in the right comment sections but i rarely see any blatant toxicity more like passionate discussion based on headcannon born out of too little information or even ignoring information.
The most heated topics in One Piece are this (imo); - Zoro v Sanji - Mihawk v Shanks - Is Zoro the First Mate / Vice Captain / Right-hand man, etc. - How woman are drawn When I see those anyone making threads on any of those topics I don't even click on them. Those are great examples of flame bait topics. Also power scalers in general are pretty toxic. They're so caught up on who is stronger and what "shouldn't" be possible that I imagine they have a hard time enjoying the series as a whole.
@@bidhan7731 People who say he isn't argue that he has never, ever been labeled as the First Mate. Not in the manga, or Oda. His role had always simply been the combatant. People who say he is argue he was the first to join, he's taken leadership roles, and the times people in the series assumed he was. The whole thing is basically an endless cycle of the first two arguments.
I would love if the final chapter of One Piece was just Sanji and Zoro having an all out battle that ends with them both saying each other's name and sharing a laugh now that the weight of trying to make Luffy the Pirate King was off their shoulders.
Zoro and Sanji fans are good fans The worst is those toxic die hard supporters, they feel like the sanji die hard supporters hate on Zoro's success and the Zoro die hard supporters think Zoro should be the main character of the series This toxicity is difficult to not see but it's better not to partake in order to fully enjoy chapters without being biased by agendas
One moment who brought both fandoms together is Thriller Bark and the "Nothing Happened". Obviously, it was a great moment for Zoro, but Sanji worrying afterwards truly reflects how deep they both care for each other.
The way i see the gap between luffy, zoro and sanji is just like Rokushiki point system between the top 3 in cp9 with luffy being way over both zoro and sanji, while zoro is barely stronger than sanji winning 6/10 if they fought. And those that say kaku got a df so his points go up... Well sanji came into his fight injured and came out of it with a lot less time and ease. So i think that cancels out kakus new fruit when added to the points which basically keeps the points the same with sanji only being 20 or so points behind zoro while luffy is 100s and 1000s ahead of both of them. Im not throwing shade at either and this is my view on the topic as an usopp fan.