Idk how this isn’t mentioned more, like of course we get more Zoro fights and thus we get more evidence he is closer to Luffy, because he is a fighter, he fights. Sanji is primarily a Cook and Strategist and a fighter secondary alongside those. As you said, he’s under the radar, does nobody remember mr prince? While Luffy and Zoro got big battles or fights he was behind the scenes doing shit. Like how is this not talked about more when considering the evidence behind whos stronger, like we will always have slightly more to Zoro because that’s the point to Zoro being Zoro.
@@somenerdpng another perfect example is ennies lobby. While Luffy is still fighting Lucci and Zoro and the rest are dealing with marine captains, Sanji is off preparing for their escape by closing the gates. In Wano now I like to say that Zoro is a Samurai while Sanji is a ninja. Zoro is a swordsman, but also blunt, straightforward, honorable, and in no way attempts to hide or give himself an advantage. Sanji is still obviously pretty honorable himself, but for him it's more about doing what needs to be done even if he doesn't look the best. When King attacked him, he probably didn't really care about "looking bad" or "losing face" he'd done his job of saving momonosuke. Sanji is stealth, observant, quick and silent, and keeps a cool head (unless women are involved and then he invokes his inner pervy sage and throws logic out the damn window)
Dunno how many more arcs it’ll take for people to get this. Sanji is often doing stuff on the low that essentially saves the whole crew. I’m more of a Zoro guy myself but like everyone, Sanji’s got his role and it goes deeper than people remember. He’s not just the cook or the third best guy.
@et de stellis we understand it waa mentioned in the video, we’re talking about the fact more people don’t realise it in the community when it’s so obvious
I see Luffy as a "right handed character", Zoro as his right hand is the hand he uses the most, what he is most comfortable with and gets the job done most often but Sanji is Luffy's underrated, finesse hand, that he uses to pimp slap people with, it goes under the radar and hits you when you least expect it
I relate so much to Morj rn lol. That moment when you forget to rename the file before uploading it and it appears as it was in the editing software, "morj zoro sanji pt 2" style lmao
The only reason sanji couldn’t beat virgo was cause his body was heavily injured by nami. Remember how nami in sanji’s body was being beat to death by faint crack kids. And how she was impressed by sanji’s durability and said she would’ve died if it was her body.
I mean people get crazy about the bone crack but it's not like Zoro and other characters dont get injured during a fight so I dont understand why people still bring that up. Also Sanji got some really crazy hits on Vergo too, I definitely think he would have won if the fight went on
@@zenox2924 it literally does, as you take damage your bones acummulate micro fissures, wich can enlarge and became bigger fissures the more damage you take, if you dont know how bones work then dont say dumb shit
@UCyr6N9M-eFXOyVF2sqkwwvg That's litterally not true. The guy could definitely still fight, fucking Usopp could fight with his SKULL smashed to pieces. Also it was a crack on a bone it's not like his leg was pulverized
@@gladehartdreamer5620 please don’t bring real world logic in a series where milk can regrow bones, Luffy can somehow blow air into his arm bone and inflate his whole skeleton, and ussopp can have his skull split multiple times and be perfectly fine like a week later
@@nonyabusiness366 its not dumb, its enjoyable and nice!! ONLY if you mantain the ambiguity that are there almost with all characters. and for some dudes that its irritating, more if are dudes who saw lot of shonnen and cant get away the standar. So, for example i could never put a top 15 opiece characters in a straight line, but i enjoy thinking the best path. Just like the order morj put in this video
off topic but whatever, ope ope gives a person immortality, and u combine with Uranus which can see the future in expense of your lifespan, making IM an immortal all knowing person who can eliminate his greatest threat hence looking at the bounties of Vivi, Luffy, Blackbeard, and Shirahoshi. No wonder doffy wants ope ope and the treasure combo. really blows my mind finding out just a moment ago with Mr.Morj previous videos.
Slightly off topic but I actually, legitimately think, and neither of them would admit this, but if you asked Zoro or Sanji who you’d want backing them up in a fight other than Luffy, and could read their thoughts, they would pick the other.
I think that Zoro is definitely physically stronger but, Sanji is probably more dangerous. Sanji is constantly doing things behind the scenes. He was Mr. Prince in Alabasta, he sabotaged the Arc in Skypia, boarded the sea train at Water 7, etc. He does these things almost every arc. When looking at power most people tend to look at raw strength and that is important, but I think intelligence/tatical thinking also adds to strength.
Well yea but sanji barely does that shit now Plus in eyes of the WG people with conquerors haki are generally considered very dangerous and threatening. And zoro is one of what 5 people that have advanced conquerors haki. Also first mate of the PK
Finally! Was waiting for someone to bring this stuff up. The straw hats would have been defeated/killed a long time ago of Sanji had not had the intelligence to make those decisions.
Imagine my surprise when the guy that wants to become the strongest swordsman in the world turns out to be stronger than a cook who refuses to use his hands to fight
Zoro wants to be the Strongest Swordsman in the World. Sanji just wants to find the all blue. The fact that a chef is ambiguously as strong as the guy who wants to be the World's Strongest Swordsman is already a win for Sanji.
@@zachyjoe1 That's the prevalent theory but it isn't necessarily implied in the dream itself. Sanji as a kid was not thinking he'd have to be strong or do those things to obtain that dream. He just wanted to find all blue due to his chef expertise rather than his fighting expertise as it was a cook's paradise. Sanji then and most likely still now thinks all blue is a place he can find somewhere out there on the sea that already exists. The redline theory after all could be wrong, even though it's very enticing. He's learned that to make it on the sea he will have to grow in strength but I'd argue thats more for the sake of Sanji wanting to support Luffy's dream in the hopes that Luffy's dream will lead to his. The fact that he was already strong was more due to his upbringing and his chivalric ideals rather than his dream. My point is that there's nothing in Sanji's dream that requires him to be strong. Now it may take the actions of the strong and the destruction of the redline to actually come to fruition but no chef in the one piece world is dreaming of all blue and actively training to oppose the world government for the sake of that dream. Whereas anyone wanting to be the world's strongest swordsman is definitely training anyway they can to become as strong as they can.
Again, zorotards use evidence that isn't evidence to prove that Zoro > Sanji. Sanji wants to protect his friends, why wouldn't he want to become as strong as possible.
KOL thinks Eneru is one of the fastest guys in the verse if not the fastest. Yet pre-geared luffy clapped him. Luffy didn't have gear 2 for speed and still beat eneru down while having a giant golden bell attached to his arm XD Like so much for speed and observation haki. Call a spade a spade.
@@nodaridadiani7984 that's because zoro and sanji have been with us far too longer than jimbe. So, obviously they would have more fans. But considering how much time he has passed as a nakama, I think he has a fair amounts of fans. Actually, I think he has more fans than some of the older nakamas such as chopper or even nami. People like nami as waifu, but aside from that you won't find that many fans of her. Actually, I rarely see any nami fans in the community.
It's amazing in hindsight how much Jinbe helped Luffy during the Marineford saga. How many people expected that to lead to him becoming a Straw Hat? Like, he was saying he'd give his life to protect him, but the fact that he merely agreed to do it upon seeing his valiant effort is what surprised me.
It lowkey ticks me off that some fans feel the need to argue that their favorite character is stronger, equal or weaker than the other. What difference does the power make? Sometimes i really think zorofans/sanjifans only like that character if they meet their expectations powerwise, and throw out their characteristics. And as morj mentioned, its like ammo for them. Thats just disgusting, Zoro and Sanji are probably the most popular characters and many just tend to hate the other, sometimes for the weakest arguments like "I dont like the fanbase of that character"
That's kinda the purpose of battle shonen, dude. Comparisons of characters and their power levels are one of the key elements for a story that heavily involves combat to get ahead.
@@Shark-hn4mv The purpose of shonen manga, as Jump's motto implies, is to teach children about Friendship, perseverance and victory, the power scaling is just there to basically click bait people so they can see the actual story the author's trying to tell, at least for the post dragon ball era.
@@Shark-hn4mv There's more to a character than "he stronger than anything he so cool." The point of a battle shonen isn't to constantly compare characters and power levels, it's to see the growth of a character over time as they develop and move closer to their goals, that's the appeal of One Piece at least. Power scaling and power levels are boring and take away more than they add to a story imo.
Fully agree, it feels like certain fans only read one piece because of that character which is just crazy to me. Obviously people will have their favorites but the manga itself should always be the most important aspect.
Thank you for going over this from the angle of - this is a story and the author makes deliberate decisions to portray characters in certain ways. Instead of looking at feats in a scientific way as if these were events that actually occurred. Your argument is much better than the 5000m of water pressure type arguments.
Why is that argument better? A good story conveys what it wants to convey trough creating a believable world(as in internally consistent, not necessarily consistent with our reality) and it achieves that with simple logical chains. To ignore that and strictly rely on meta elements(i.e the author basically telling us what he wants us to believe) to decide what is "true" of the story makes the whole process of actually writing the story pretty pointless since he could literally just tell us what the dynamic is and that would accomplish the same thing. From the writer's perspective it's perfectly fine to start with what you want to convey and build the reality of your world around that. But a reader should not start with what the author wants to convey and try to interpret the reality of the world based on that. The reality is your basis and if it doesn't match with what the author wants to be true, that's on the author.
@@DIVAD291 The problem with feats is that we're dealing with fictional worlds with fictional physics. How a character is portrayed is significantly more important than their feats. Shanks for example has very little feats for example but we know that he is strong. Ace also have very few feats but we know he must have been strong. Authors aren't always doing physics calculations to accurately determine exactly how strong a character is. Luffy dodged a pacifista beam, that doesn't mean he is faster than light. Rayleigh can keep up with Kizaru, that doesn't mean that Rayleigh moves at the speed of light. That's not to say judging a character's strength based on feats is wrong, but how a character is portrayed in the context of the series is equally as important.
@@SilverRyuu "The problem with feats is that we're dealing with fictional worlds with fictional physics." I never said we should apply real world physics to evaluate things in the fictional world but the author typically establishes what the physics and logic of his world are(that would be the most important part of world building). So I don't really see that as a problem. " How a character is portrayed is significantly more important than their feats." I disagree...a mismatch between a character's actual power in the story and how they are portrayed can be incredibly jarring. It's not uncommon for a character to have an ability that would be insanely op in the world the author created but the author fails to recognize it so they portray the character as weak or an ability/action could have an obvious flaw but the author doesn't realise it so he portrays the character as "flawless". When those things happen it can be extremely tiring because it creates cognitive dissonance and it makes it very difficult to maintain your suspension of disbelief and that makes the story less enjoyable. Take the last jedi as an example. The holdo character completely fails as a leader but the movie tries to portray her as a good leader despite basically every decision she makes being incredibly stupid and that made it very hard to sit trough. I understand not everyone reacts the same but most people at least subconsciously understand that what they are told is different from what they are seeing and that's going to make their experience slightly worse even if they don't quite understand what the issue was. If the reality of your story doesn't match with what you want to say, you can't just say it anyway. You have to make the reality convey what you are trying to say. "Shanks for example has very little feats for example but we know that he is strong." When we have little information to go on it makes sense to make your prediction on how strong a character will be on how strong the author tells you that character is. That doesn't really mean anything because it's just normal that the less information you have the more important the information you do have is. By example if the author never portrayed a character as weak or strong but gave a clear feat he accomplished that would require the character to be strong it would make sense to assume the character is strong despite not knowing how the author is going to portray him.(this pretty much never happens because it's hard to show a character doing something requiring a lot of power without portraying him as strong at the same time) The other reason it doesn't mean anything is that you're just predicting how strong a character will be...it's when you actually see their actions that you can judge if they live up to what the author described or not. "Luffy dodged a pacifista beam, that doesn't mean he is faster than light." Again, the world the author creates doesn't have to respect the exact physics of the real world but it has to establish it's physics and logic need to remain somewhat consistent. "but how a character is portrayed in the context of the series is equally as important." Let's say I wrote a story about a guy that can lift houses and outsmart Einstein but despite that I consistently portrayed that character as being weak/stupid even tough no one else is able to do those thing in the story. That would come off as a comedy because of how ridiculous it would be to genuinely write like that. And if for some reason you didn't think I was joking you would understand that this character is actually strong in the story even tough as a writer im insisting that he isn't. You would naturally value the reality of the story over the portrayal of the character. How the character is portrayed is important in predicting the future of the story and understanding the message of the story but it is not important in understanding the reality of the story.
@@DIVAD291 The initial comment was about breaking feats down into a science. Writers aren't doing complex physics equations to determine exactly how strong a character needs to be to do a specific thing. Let me make a correction. Assuming good (or at least competent) writing, character portrayals are more important than feats. If they contradict, a problem arises, however if they don't portrayals are more important when determining how strong a character is. In fact, a character's feats are part of the way a character is portrayed. They aren't exclusive. If a character's feats and their portrayal contradict than that is simply a failure to portray the character in the way you want. If you portray a character as a genius but all their feats say otherwise than you're failing to portray the character properly. When feats are absent, or when feats and portrayals don't contradict, you rely on portrayals to have a grasp on the relations between characters. In the event that they do, that's a failure on the author's part. The biggest issue with feats (and with power scaling in general) is that not all feats are comparable. Feats give you a general idea of a character's strength and abilities, but things don't always go the way you expect. It's difficult to explain but let me give an example: If we look purely at strengths and weaknesses, as well as their physical abilities, than you could make the argument that Zoro should beat Luffy in a fight especially pre-gears. Physically they are comparable to one another but Zoro's swords give him the advantage since Luffy can't defend against them. However, we know that Luffy at the very least is equal or stronger than Zoro based on the way they are portrayed.
Regarding the Zoro v Luffy fight I would take it with a grain of salt. That was clearly an editor's doing because he believed that the fans would like it. The fight itself is very random and goes against the way Luffy would behave in any other instances: he would never doubt his nakama by saying he was wrong about them. Heck, he didn't doubt Robin or Nami even for a second despite what the whole ordeal looked like.
*Someone tells Luffy that Nami killed Usopp* Luffy: I don't believe you. I will confront her myself *Someone tells Luffy that Robin tried to assassinate Iceberg* Luffy: I don't believe you. I will confront her myself *Someone tells Luffy that Zoro attacked them* Luffy: That bastard. Next time I see him, I'll kill him.
@@islandboy9381 I suggest that you read my comment again. I never said Oda said it. I said that a careful reader can Identify it as a fan service strategy by looking at the internal consistency of the story.
I think the dynamic between Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji is very interesting and something you don’t see a lot in other Shonen manga. They all have their own role to play in each arc/fight so they each have their own unique importance to the story
Another unique thing is that Luffy doesn't really have a rival. He doesn't have his own Sasuke, Killua, Vegeta, Bakugou, Kaiba etc. So the dynamic between Zoro and Luffy gets to focus more in mutual respect, camaraderie and loyalty than a desire to surpass the other or something on the line.
@@escribalma_h You say that when Luffy and Zoro definitely had that "Naruto vs Sasuke" moment in Whiskey Peak, good thing Nami stopped that stuff from going any further (I feel like Oda was communicating to the reader in that moment that its stupid to think about squabbles like that lol)
@@jonathandelgado3755 my bad. Thought you were one of those people that are dead set on this thing failing.. I understand a theory, but not people holding it as a fact
No mention of what Sanji did in Whole-Cake Island? - Blocked Big Mom's attack with together with Luffy (equal portraying) - Dodged Katakuri's shot (Luffy went on to fight Katakuri, and Katakuri used future-sight to prepare that shot)
The Katakuri one definitely, but not the Big Mom one. They blocked a single attack together. It's not as though they both blocked two separate attacks on their own.
Oh right, Morj actually forgot about that. Also how Sanji kicked the ass of Oven within a seconds, fighting Daifuku many times and destroying candy of Peros that is really hard(take note that Pedro sacrificed his life so the crew could escape from peros candy)
@@Nitro-wg6sr he put Zoro in C tier when he made Supernova tier list and alsot made videos in which he keep saying sanji was stronger than Zoro during this and that moment. Man also Said Vergo > garp. He is literally so dumb in powerscaling
@@Nitro-wg6sr Sanji and Shanks. Every single take and video he makes revolves around trying to justify where he places those two strength wise, even when indirectly doing so. For example: a large amount of his Garp hate is purely because he doesnt like the idea of there being active characters stronger than the 4 yonko, who would then be potentially stronger than Shanks, whom he thinks is the strongest character alive rn. He does the same for Mihawk but for a more direct reason.
@@cy4069 lol yeah, idc if you have Shanks above Kaido based ofg headcanon but this guy acts like there's actual reasoning that Shanks is stronger than Kaido
I love your way of explaining this and it makes so much sense. To me One Piece is a story of adventure and characters and “Power Scaling” will always fall second to a good story
About the Enies Lobby power levels, Kaku's powerlevel was above Jyabura before he eats the zone devil fruit and he was definitely significantly powerful in his zone form than base form. Don't know how people miss this.
Could you also play devils advocate and say he was also inexperienced with his DF which helped him lose against zoro even though he adapted quickly time spent developing a DF has no comparison. I felt like I was low key doing a sanji vs zoro in there...
Highly biased breakdown Completely left out Nami beating Zoro and Luffy at the same time with *one punch* . I didn't expect this to be better than part 1. Great to see another video without coughing. Hope the editor didn't even have coughs to edit out.
@@user-of8ex8ne3v Well the way the scene plays out Sanji was planning to block the punch solo and so was Luffy which implies at that moment they both had enough power to block Big Mom's punch alone if need be. So yeah, I'd say it counts.
Uh, no, Sanji's body was scientifically improved by his father. What's actually impressive is that he wasn't as complete as his brothers yet still was shown stronger than them even without his raid suit.
It's just off screened, Luffy should train too in between arcs the same way Usopp came up with gadgets early on the grand line off screen and how Nami maps the places they go too according to Oda
Luffy: hordy jones on drugs, doffy (with help), cracker, katakuri, fujitora, now knocked out kaido in base his arsenal: 2 advanced hakis, gears that can take out top tiers like katakuri, conquerer haki, crazy endurance zoro: monet, pica, fujitora (bleeds from inside affter taking ONE gravity attack) (with help), killer(tie), hawkins who didnt go all out, apoo who got up again sanji: doffy, vergo(with ruined body from nami), king (tanked his attack and saved momo) u cant really say zoro is close to luffy when the strongest zoro beat is pica😭 u reaching.
Oda purposely put sanji in situations that makes him look “bad” like doffy but fact remains that those characters takes luffy and another supernova to beat
@@Tensai1031 look, vergo was stronger than pica but pica had a pretty good devil fruit, sanji even though was damaged a bit against vergo doesn't tell much to me, vergo had superior armament haki so he managed to best sanji hence his shin cracked, he even fought with sanji's style using only his legs, zoro didn't get a single scratch against pica even through the barrage of attacks pica was throwing and he also had superior armament haki and one shot him, that to me says that zoro is superior to sanji if you think otherwise I don't know what to say to you
It wouldn’t make sense for a cook who only uses his legs to somehow be as strong as the strongest swordsman in the world. Just saying. It’s leg vs sword.
I love both Zoro and Sanji but its clear that Zoro has always been portrayed as stronger. Yes they are rivals but Zoro is clearly stronger. I say this as a massive Sanji fan aswell as Zoro fan.
Yep. Zoro and Sanji have VERY different strengths but are equal in "strength". Zoro can take down Kaido with his swords, Sanji took down Big Mom with a cake.
Zoro has always been stronger than Sanji Its been shown through out the series many times. I like them both equally but Sanji has his main job as a Cook and Zoro as a Fighter its really clear that Zoro is stronger.
If sanji is stronger than Zoro then zoro is just useless for the crew because sanji’s main occupation on ship is a cook and zoro on the other hand is just a swordsman that wants to be the strongest
I like that you brought up the difficulty of Luffy's fight against Rob Lucci compared to Zoro and Sanji's respective fights. I think it was only post time skip (Dressrosa) where we saw what looked like a significant gap between Luffy and Sanji against Doffy, and perhaps indirectly with Zoro briefly taking on Fujitora. With the exception of the Dressrosa saga (where Sanji wasn't present by the end of it) and similarly Skypea (where Sanji ran into the big bad early on), the power scaling dynamic got resolved back to default, which is like you said, Luffy greater or equal to Zoro and Zoro greater or equal to Sanji. Even though Sanji is supposedly "just the cook", he's much more than that, being the protege of "Red-Leg" Zeff who was a pirate captain, Sanji inherited his will of finding the All Blue as well as his skills. Sanji is someone who could have been a pirate captain himself, and the same is true for Zoro. This is what makes the Straw Hats stand above the other supernovae. And now if all goes well, they'll have Jinbe and Yamato up there as well... a truly monstrous crew :)
What's funny is those "fans" who thinks that Page 1 is stronger than sanji (even in his raid suit) just because he could block his quick and punch him into some buildings, but they forgot that Jabura did an exactly same feat against sanji before but after sanji destroyed him with his Diable Jambe
Zoans are a bad matchup for Sanji, i had expectations on the destructive power with raid suit + diable but its just that he was impressive, but Page 1 is very tanky, he most likely used to be a captain, so we can't blame Sanji for not hurting him much. Best Matchup Against Zoans are swords and Oden proved that. Zoro woulda done much better than Sanji and I'm not a Zoro fanboy, its just that Matchups sometimes matter.
When Zoro fought Mr 1, he completely outmatched him in every aspect. The only thing holding him back was the fact he couldn’t cut steel. Once he learnt how to do that, he one shot Mr 1.
@Young Victor picture it man, if he didnt cut him in one go, zoro would be stabbing him until he broke or died? 😂 cmonnn the only way zoro can win battles is through a cut (up to three) in one shot. thats the whole point right?
@@jonsnow947, both Mihawk and Zoro showed signs of Advanced Armament Haki even in the Pre-Timeskip Era, but Zoro didn’t knew he had Advanced Armament Haki like Mihawk does until he trained with Mihawk for 2 years, so he can surpass Mihawk in strength and become the worlds greatest swordsman without being a Warlord or an Emperor working for the Marines and the World Government like how Shanks is still an Emperor, and Mihawk is now longer a Warlord.
Sanji is my favourite character, but I still have no qualms in admiting that Zoro is stronger, just as Luffy is stronger than him. I agree with everything you said, although I have some small adendums to make: -Kuroobi, even if slightly, is stronger than Hatchan and is, until this day, the only time that Sanji defeated the second strongest of a crew (but this is just because Zoro was injured and, due to plot convenience, because the swordsman was the third strongest; if it weren't for this, Sanji would have defeated the third strongest just like any other arc; what I mean to say is that this doesn't make Sanji stronger than Zoro in any way); -Sanji's fights against Vergo and Doflamingo don't make Sanji look that bad, in my eyes, especially the second one. Against Vergo, Sanji had his body practically destroyed by Nami, and the matchup made it an almost impossible battle, given the circumstances; I think that Sanji wouldn't lose to Vergo in normal circumstances (but this is just my opinion). Against Doflamingo, let's just remind ourselves that it took Gear 4th Luffy to defeat him, and he did admit that Sanji was not a pushover. Sanji didn't know about his powers and still wen't head on against him; here, Sanji would always lose, even if he knew about his powers, but he would make some damage to him; and I don't think he looked bad in that exchange, since Doflamingo acknowledged his power. I still agree with everything you just said. I know that Sanji isn't the strongest, and I don't need him to be for him to be my favourite character. To me, he's the most well developed, layered and nuanced character. I still love Zoro, though. They both bring very different things to the table (Zoro brings brute strength and an unspoken vice-captain role with great insight for the crew - especially in Water 7 and Punk Hazard, when he "scolds" Luffy -, Sanji brings well thought out plans and cool covert moments - such as the Mr. Prince thing in Alabasta, the kicking of Arc Maxim's gears in Skypiea, the opening of the gates in Enies Lobby, etc.), and I appreciate both for what they bring, even though I prefer Sanji's quality moments. I still understand why someone would prefer Zoro, or any other character, for that matter. Oda made sure he invented a seemingly infinite number of amazing characters, from which you could pick almost anyone as a favourite one, and nobody could say a thing. It is clear that the "zorotards" and the "sanjitards" are the biggest idiots of the One Piece community, and it makes me sad that there are people like this in our admist, with the "zolos" and the "lanjis", just enjoy the story and what both bring to it.
Just because he doesn't use them doesn't automatically mean he would be really good at using his hands...lk coz Luffy doesn't use his legs much doesn't mean he'll automatically become a leg expert
@@haremking7256 except he already showed for brief moments his hand skills and he is actually good, so if he let himself do and train a little bit to use them, yeah
@@kxb6098 powerscalers are dumb in general and basically biased on their fav characters and gets butthurt if anyone else is stronger than their favorites, morj powersclaed these 2 better than 90% of people who argues daily about Sanji and Zoro
What Moji says is pretty obvious when you really stop to think about. It's amazing he had to make a video about a such on the nose topic in the first place. I want a video about Zoro and Sanji ideas of masculinity, not about who is stronger.
@@dwaynevillariza5967 It is indeed.. it's like talking about horoscope, everybody who does pretend cares a lot about it, but it's mostly elevator's talk
His last video about the Zoro and Sanji fans actually went into some nice detail about Zoro and Sanji's different views on masculinity. I recommend it if you have yet to watch it 😁👍🏽
I know it's not what you usually do but I'd honestly love to see a top 30 from you. You take a rational perspective to the situation along with moments from the story to back up your claims.
Not an argument. Nami comedically knocks out Luffy with her punches despite not having haki. Comedic moments obviously set everyone as equals by default.
@@Shark-hn4mv . Nope. A crewmate punishing luffy isnt the same kinda scenario as crewmates fighting half heartedly over a disagreement. Also, Nami will one shot luffy and overwhelm him, it's not an equal match at all.
I'm like them both, Sanji a little bit more. It is pretty obvious that Zoro is stronger than Sanji. I don't underestsnd how this confusion came in the first place. Both of them have their own qualities that makes them both equally badass. Fans need to understand that.
how the confusion came ??? I think that's peen pressure talking, Zoro and Sanji rivalry started in little garden where they were compared with 2 giants who for 100 years couldn't settle their score. then the only time their enemies stacked up against each other was Water 7 where the difference between their fighters was literally only 10 points diff.
@@sohailsadaqat6684 I came into community recently but their rivalry is not like naruto sasuke who will get stronger rivalry. The like to argue about everything. I always saw luffy>zoro>sanji. People like KOL started this and fans started to follow thats it. Love the monster trio. It will be too disrespectful for Sanji to cook, not train much and still be as strong as zoro and luffy. Still he is comparable that itself is great
I don't think a lot of people think Sanji is stronger. Very very few people say that and I think some of them know it's not true but they don't wanna admit it. Both are my favorite Strawhats with Sanji being my absolute favorite, there's no shame in him being weaker.r
It's also very possible to make an argument that Jiabura is stronger than Kaku because he had time to train with his fruit, while Kaku's fruit use, while being very powerful, was very flawed. And Sanji was also seriously injured from his fight with Kalifa
Mr Morj there is an inconsistency in the statement of fighting power of enies lobby. The fighting power was stated before kaku ate the devil fruit. After eating the devil fruit, kaku should have powered up more. I am not saying kaku would have been close to lucci but definitely a factor higher than Sanji's opponent.
Doriki does not include devil fruits. It’s their base strength that was being measured. Jabra even stated that he was still stronger than kaku because of his devil fruit but kaku ate one shortly after evening things out again.
So I’m 6 minutes in and I don’t think I’m finishing this video, I get ‘your point’ You’ve already said it enough times 1. luffy 2. Zoro 3. Sanji Even before stating facts.
While I understand Sanji's prime role is a cook I do hope Oda will give Sanji more impressive feats. His fight style is fun to watch. Not to have a dig at Zoro (more at Oda really) but sword fights in One Piece just isn't great imo.
Most of these problems are due to the shonnen culture and that One Piece is in here. He has his type stuff obviously, but even Oda increasingly leans toward other things more important than strength in fights. Sanji year? cooking for Big mom, going through his sentimental and family difficulties, and helping the future king of the pirates. They also fell in love with him! Why can't a sanji lover see all of this as a good thing? Because of this fighting standard, which in one piece was never SO strongly marked, it forces Sanji to have to win a super fight so that the public is satisfied. Before the message that this boy gives us in the arc we prefer to see him knock down a commander with kicks. Looking at it from this perspective, you will never finish loving or understanding this manga in its entirety, since clearly Oda is heading towards other things. Although he maintains the fight as a very important base, it does not have to be the best, nor the most repeated, nor the most used.
it's really cool that Sanji has a role of being in the shadows especially now getting the germa 66 gadgets, being able to go invisible plus his stronger observation haki makes him EVEN MORE useful compared to before in alabata saga and enies lobby arc, even though he already contributed so much to the crew.