"a sampradaya sometimes looses track of the actual purpose which is to connect you with God" - very nice point! That's one risk of having an established path, that people do things by habit, out of tradition and hold on to all the practices and engaging in major disputes over minor aspects, while loosing focus of the main point: connecting to God.
The marker of a quality sampradaya is how future generations embrace the teachings. When the charismatic Guru leaves the body, has He left enough spiritual content, trained teachers (yes in your case), enough breadth and depth of activity, etc. to ensure that generations of devotees can find Narayana in their ecosystem? That is the marker for me. It is why ISKcon and Swaminarayan sampradayas still thrive. They have proven they can thrive when their founding Master leaves the body. Conversely some sampradays with a charismatic Guru will clearly dwindle once that Guru departs the earthly realm. They are just one off flashes of inspiration, for one generation. Your sampraday is of course valid, which I say as Swaminarayan devotee myself. But let us hope that this flash of inspiration provided by your Master sparks a fire now that burns for generations.
ISKCON's Srila Prabhupad came to the west when he was almost 70 years old. So, in 12 years he did alot. But afterhis departure, movement was still young aa well as devotees. So there was lot of problems. Srila Prabhupad asked his Goodbrothers to help them but disciples just couldn't take proper advantage and benefit of those senior vaishnavas. But with Bhakti Marga is a different story. Their Gurumaharaj started a society as a young man and he is still very young in comparison with Prabhupad. And I believe he will live very long life. So his disciples will have him for a long time.
As someone who is a part Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradaya for a last 32 years, I needed time to open my mind to, at least, try to respect Bhakti Marga. Lord Krishna helped me to do that. I respect your Gurudev and believe he is a special soul. Otherwise, you would not speak about him the way you do. I respect him and his followers as well!
@@charananekibalijaun8837 we where accepting other sampradayas as well. But Bhakti Marga is something new that I found out about. It took some time to find out what is going on. Fortunatelly, Swami Revatikanta and his guests are giving very good explanations about whole thing.
But they are completely wrong here I have studied advait visisthaadvait ramanujacharya madhvacharya dwait and achintya bhedabhed I find no conflict among vaisnavs and untill and unless you proff from shastra you are fake pls accept it is simple
Thank you for this excellent material to think about and reflect on where I am standing in my relationship with Krishna. Not forgetting the basics. Much appreciated
But they are wrong here completely like they never studied anything all vaisnav sampradaya strive the same thing and without qualified acharya we may not got rammandir.
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Excellent conversation on very important topic!!! Definitely love it! Love intent behind it and its execution! However, coming from Gaudiya Vaisnava prospective, i must say that in the end we have to elegantly and affectionately agree to disagree on some points. Also would be great, as the next step, to invite someone from another lineage to the table..... to spice things up so to speak. ( I don't mind to be invited). Where is enormous potential and promise in such conversations. Even demigods and demons cooperated in churning of the milk ocean - why wouldn't a few mature gifted Vaisnavas from different sampradayas push things to the intellectual and intuitive limits. The reward for such an effort could amount to the next fascinating unknown theological philosophical revelation
rewatching. Some questions! Ramanuja's time was also contemporary when it was taking place. Is it possible he ignored the mundane (ordinary man 'waiting for the bus') of the time and focused on shastras? ...as we perhaps should do now? But I like when you say later that God cannot even be contained in the shastras (i.e in Bhagavatam - ...'the lord's incarnations are inumerable' @37mins).
Very interesting although some philosophical/scriptural references went over my head. The scholars who may question Guruji's legitimacy hopefully got something to consider.
Madhvacharya's primary spiritual teacher was Achyutapreksha, who was a disciple of Jayatirtha. Jayatirtha, in turn, was a disciple of Vidyadhiraja Tirtha, and Vidyadhiraja Tirtha was a disciple of Vyasaraja Tirtha. Vyasaraja Tirtha had received initiation in the Madhva Sampradaya from the prominent saint and philosopher Vyasatirtha. In summary, Madhvacharya's guru parampara (lineage of spiritual teachers) includes Vyasaraja Tirtha, Vidyadhiraja Tirtha, Jayatirtha, Achyutapreksha, and finally, Madhvacharya himself. This lineage is an essential aspect of the tradition, emphasizing the transmission of spiritual knowledge from teacher to disciple within the Madhva Sampradaya.
At about time stamp 47:50, you are discussing whether it is too extreme to reject Krishna if he appears without Radha, and say that indeed that is too extreme. How do you assess the famous episode in Tulsidas's life as put down in his poem-- when he, a Ram bhakt, visits Vrindavan and notices that even tree leaves there only sing of Shri Krishna. When he visits a temple, he marvels at the vigraha of Krishna but sings, "What a beautiful image you have here, Lord. But Tulsi will not bow down until you show your swarup with bow and arrow." And so, of course, the murti miraculously obliges and Tulsidas bows down, later adding to his poem: What happened to the flute, where has the crescent moon gone? For the sake of your devotee Tulsi, Nath (Krishna) became Raghunath (Ram). This is such a famous story that I don't think I needed to have narrated it here, in disjointed and inelegant prose no less. But it shows that the Lord appears in whatever form a true bhakt wants Him to appear.
For the uttama-bhakta then yes. But one must draw a distinction between a true connection of the heart and a mind which has been loaded with dogma and judgement. I believe the Lord responds to the former, but He is missed in the latter.
Because their Gurudev doesn’t have the realisation of Krishna coming as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu to distribute Prema in Kali Yuga. Nor does he believe it 😉
at around 31 mins - so we are saying that we disagree with other siddhantas/sampradayas but agreeing that they can all lead to the one ultimate truth, God? ...answer is at 34mins - that siddhantas are the Archarya's lens/bias/bhav/ras of the ultimate truth that they can see.
"Guruji gives a deity of Krishna to a devotee and she says "but I cannot worship Him, because He's missing Radharani and Shastra says that we need first to get the mercy from Radha" - so if Lord Krishna appears in front of you, you cannot worship Him because Radha is not there? " that's a good example of when we are already missing the point
If I was in a place of that devotee, I would take a Deity of Krishna and would later on also get a Deity of Shrimati Radharani. One has to be resourcefull.
My understanding is that There are only 4 sampradayas. All linages are connected with these 4. Even babaji is said to be connected with agasthiya muni who's connected to shiva-- who's a head of one of the sampradayas 🤷♂️
Sampradaya means there is guru - disciple parampara. Sampradaya is not a speculation that can be made up and modified as we like. If there is a guru who himself is not a disciple of any guru from any bonafide sampradaya, then how can he teach genuine sampradaya teachings? How can we be sure that he is right if he has no guru... Bhakti marga claims that it follows sri sampradaya, but what guru of sri sampradaya you follow and which guru is the teacher of Vishwananda? Do you really follow sri sampradaya and guru parampara? Then you have to follow a guru from sri sampradaya.
Guruji has taken initiation into the Sri Sampradaya but is not representative of them. He has started His own movement and tradition. You say sampradaya is not a speculation but based on parampara-but who started the paramapara? Every sampradaya has a first acarya. You might reply and say the founder might be Lakshmi, Brahma, Siva or the Kumaras; but I would argue that is merely a faith based claim, carried forward by the momentum of tradition. People can choose to believe it on faith, but there is clearly no evidence for such ideas. Without such evidence you will have to concede it could also be seen as mere speculation passed down by generations.
@@DharmaSpeaks own tradition without following regular sampradaya is a speculation and it will not give fruits which following regular sampradaya gives. What if all original sampradayas really come from Brahma, Lakshmi, Shiva and four Kunaras? And if you follow them, you will get really sweet spiritual friuts which you will not get if you don't follow them and sleculate you own process....
@@tomashromnik108 if I understand you correctly, the measure of legitimacy is by the fruits we receive. I totally agree. Which is why I am part of the Hari Bhakta Sampradaya.
Chaitanya Vaishnava speaking here: You accept Paramahamsa Yogananda as your primary source of revelation. Fair enough. But I think it's dishonest how then you diminish the importance of Vaishnava traditions much older than yours, as well as the scriptures. I say "dishonest" because the core of your practices and ideas all come from these traditions and scriptures. Therefore, I think you ought to be more grateful to the mother who made your birth possible, and show more respect to the ancient Vaishnava schools of thought and practice. Secondly, you trivialize the act of looking up answers to philosophical questions in the commentaries of Vaishnava acharyas. But won't the day come when your spiritual master is no longer physically embodied in this world, and you have to look to the written and recorded form of his words? In fact, don't most of your followers do this even today, since they're watching his videos and not necessarily always speaking to him personally? So we have centuries of recorded words from Samadhi-siddha-acharyas, and I don't appreciate you minimizing them.
I think your missing the point of the whole podcast. The traditional stance of Vaisnava sampradayas is that sastra is the supreme authority. The conversation merely highlights that it is the rasa (experiential mood) of the acaryas that is actually the ultimate authority. With this rasa they then formulate an interpretation of sastra. So sastra in isolation cannot be the highest source to derive truth. That is really all that is being said. Members of certain Vaisnava sampradayas often fall into the childish trap of pretending they are more 'bona fide' than others because they follow 'sastra'. The conversation explains how the claims of being 'bona fide' have no basis and the term 'sastra' itself depends entirely on what sampradaya you belong to. So this whole approach is laughable. This does not mean sampradaya and scripture does not have tremendous value. They provide consolidation of tattva which underpins the rasa (of great personalities) for initiated devotees to follow. They ensure a legacy that can be passed down. But sampradaya is clearly not a guarantee of a message which can be used to defeat and judge other movements. Devotees of Guruji follow 'sastra' but only because they have first had some kind of connection with Guruji Himself (even if its just online). Through Him they feel inspired to study the Gita etc. knowing full well the interpretation is based on His rasa (devotional mood). Other devotees from other sampradayas are actually doing the same, its just they often pretend they are not. This podcast is not an attack on tradition, sastra or previous acaryas. It is an expose on the approach of many Vaisnavas who take these sources and arrogantly think they have 'the Truth'.
There are four genuine sampradaya. A ''sampradaya'' arising from thin air is just a sectarian group. Also any statement not suported by scriptures, specialy in the line of vaisnavas sampradayas had no value at all. Pretending to be bhakta with no fund of knowledge lead to sahajiyas at best or to kaitabha dharma.
In globalisation time sanatan dharma u will see many sampradaya will born some day USA, germany or uk or russia ...now see bhakti marg found in germany iskon founded in USA..THA KAILASA LIGHT IN RUSSIA MANY MORE SAMPRADAYA IN LINE IN VEDIC CULTURE IN COMING DAYS EVERY BODY HIS OWN SAMPRADAYA 😂😂😂
ISKCON follows Brahma Madhva Gaudia sampradaya as it was presented by Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and his disciples, especially six goswamis. And there are asampradayas (false sampradayas) which claim to follow, but they make up their own understanding. Sampradaya is genuine unchanged teaching presented by guru parampara. Asampradaya is something that differs from the original teachings of guru parampara.
