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@KryoTronic
@KryoTronic 3 года назад
Metatron mentioned you, so glad he did because I have recently been wondering wtf was going on in Africa and there are like no documentaries on it for some reason. Thanks for the content, can't wait to binge your videos!
@PresterMike
@PresterMike 3 года назад
I got a few documentaries on my pages playlist
@PaintedHoundie
@PaintedHoundie 2 года назад
Wait who is metatron
@KryoTronic
@KryoTronic 2 года назад
@@PaintedHoundie Metatron is a youtuber from Italy who talks about history, lots of Roman stuff, but he covers a lot of different subjects.
@fightfannerd2078
@fightfannerd2078 2 года назад
Excuses & more Excuses Ancient pre Aryans invaded the America's giving rise to the Aztecs Mayans & inca plus they were isolated from the rest of the world
@KryoTronic
@KryoTronic 2 года назад
@@fightfannerd2078 Dear Bot, why do you copy comments and then post them out of context in random threads?
@axlefoxe
@axlefoxe 3 года назад
I'm from Venezuela, and I can totally see your point about challenging climates driving innovation. My native ancestors lived in a paradise and it heavily shaped their cultures, the idea of war was practically foreign when Europe arrived, because when food falls basically from the sky, you don't have to fight for every bite.
@sergpie
@sergpie 2 года назад
In Europe and Asia, though, caloric surplus after agriculture allowed for the development and diversification of human societies. There must be, for the native Venezuelans, something else that impeded their (relative) advancement other than a shortage of food.
@kayode8428
@kayode8428 2 года назад
@@sergpie Keep in mind that Europe didn't start out that way. War was already an integral part of European culture due to the harsh climate long before agriculture arose in the region. It just continued afterward despite the newfound abundance.
@nirvanic3610
@nirvanic3610 2 года назад
Lol wars were not fought for necessities
@kayode8428
@kayode8428 2 года назад
@@nirvanic3610 Are you saying that no wars were fought over necessities? Because that would be incorrect and dumb.
@nirvanic3610
@nirvanic3610 2 года назад
@@kayode8428 no, but I'm saying the greatest and most wars are fought for wealth and power.
@Joker-yw9hl
@Joker-yw9hl 3 года назад
Will start off my comment by saying I am white for reference, but I'm of the opinion that it's important to understand that races, cultures and peoples *are the way they are because of where they are* and their circumstances. For example white supremacists probably don't realise that white people would have been just like Native Americans had they been in their shoes, technologically and racially. I mean Europe as a whole was a bit of a cesspit in some ways until they were able to reach Asia independently and find the Americas. But they were only in a position to do so because they *needed* to, had the right climate (with minimal natural disasters etc) and access to knowledge and learning from the Silk Road and past Mediterranean Empires. The Chinese for example never needed to desperately get to Asia because they were already there, nor did they need Europe in the same way Europe needed Asia. Plus, the Pacific Ocean separated them from the Americas more than the Atlantic separated Europe so they were never getting there first. *Point being* is that tribes and kingdoms in Africa were the way they were because of their circumstances, not because they were inferior in any way. It even applies to race, really. There is no inferior and superior - only humans adapting to their surroundings. Take white people or Japanese people to sub-saharan Africa and have them breed among themselves, and they would eventually evolve to be more black and have black features and traits. It's all circumstance and geography. We're all homo sapien
@TVwriter23
@TVwriter23 3 года назад
And if Hannibal had sacked Rome we may be having a very different conversation. Forgot about Julius Ceasar. If those kidnappers had killed him or he was never assassinated Rome would have been very different.
@crescendyr8438
@crescendyr8438 3 года назад
There is no reason to believe a white enclave in Africa practicing endogamy would magically up and transform into a so-called black phenotype over time.
@Joker-yw9hl
@Joker-yw9hl 3 года назад
@@crescendyr8438 evolution?
@crescendyr8438
@crescendyr8438 3 года назад
@@Joker-yw9hl That's not what evolution is nor how it works. Europeans aren't "evolved" Africans. Black Africans are perfectly capable of living in Europe and White Europeans in Africa without any phenotypical change. What you are describing is transformation, not evolution.
@Joker-yw9hl
@Joker-yw9hl 3 года назад
@@crescendyr8438 I didn't imply that Europeans are evolved Africans. If anything, the other way around. Don't come at me from that angle. If you're serious then you are carrying some serious chips on your shoulders and harbouring some extreme victim mentality. That was toxic. PS, that's exactly how evolution works. There's a reason races outside of Africa are no longer dark skinned when their ancestors once were, and why Polynesians and Aboriginal people remained darker skinned. There's a reason why Australia has the highest skin cancer rate in the world per capita (because so many fair-skinned people inhabit such a hot country). Life, uh, finds a way. Give it enough time (thousands and thousands of years) and change would take place. This doesn't really need explaining does it
@Stoneworks
@Stoneworks 3 года назад
Interesting video, especially the point abt africa being suitable to humans, I haven't thought of that
@tylerrobbins8311
@tylerrobbins8311 3 года назад
It was the thing I find most odd, Africa is extremely hard for people to live in. The ideal climate is that of the Levant and all regions like it.
@Stoneworks
@Stoneworks 3 года назад
@@tylerrobbins8311 that seems like the ideal climate for agricultural civilizations. Humans came out of the tropical highland plains of Ethiopia, which there's a lot of in subsaharan africa, maybe that and thicker forests are better for hunter gatherer peoples?
@cavaugnsharkey2699
@cavaugnsharkey2699 3 года назад
No way, dude. I must be jinxed bc I just watched your videos and I gotta say I'm impressed by your work and the Minecraft server you put together. I too am working on several fantasy maps/worlds and your tips helped alot. Thanks, and keep up the work!
@skellagyook
@skellagyook 3 года назад
I wouldn't really agree with that. Africa is hardly easy. Both Africa and Eurasia are extremely climatologically diverse, and Africa also contains many harsh environments, such as deserts, savannas that are dry for half the year (over a lot of sub-Saharan Africa), seasonally dry forests, and rainforests that have their own challenges, all of which require human innovation to survive. I do agree with many of the other explanations in the video do though (much of the same/many of them would also appy to the native cultures of the Americas).
@tylerrobbins8311
@tylerrobbins8311 3 года назад
@@Stoneworks Ethiopia is also a harsh land. Humans are best suites to temperate lush hills not so much highlands. Aside from just the climate there is also fauna an flora to consider which Africa is very dangerous. Crazy to think people have thrived in African considering how dangerous it is.
@thefrenchkiwi9435
@thefrenchkiwi9435 3 года назад
Something I have learned in university and I think should be brought up is the fact that European nations/kingdoms/empires were in a constant arms race between the 16th century and the 20th century. Europe being relatively small with countries boardering each other, there were constant wars between nations. The Europeans would constantly try to have an advantage over the other thus dramatically innovating their armed forces which later spread to their colonies in the Americas. This explains at least European superiority when it came to warfare and how they were able to conquer massive swavs of land relatively easily in the 19th and 20th century.
@willek1335
@willek1335 3 года назад
A couple of things. 1. Why did you start at 16th century? 2. Why do you think other areas, outside Europe and in Africa, didn't engage in warfare to the same degree? Constantly fighting each other.
@napolien1310
@napolien1310 3 года назад
I can agree on that, that's why China didn't catch up as they closed their borders since there no match for them they subdued the small kingdoms around them and just stay out of things. Can u believe when the British reached the court of the emperor they replied to him with Latin!! Since they figured he was European then he might speak Roman
@thefrenchkiwi9435
@thefrenchkiwi9435 3 года назад
@@willek1335 It was around the 15th and 16th century that the European nations started to centralize instead of being patchworks of lordships who nominally recognised a king. Because of the divided nature of these realms there wasn't that much large scale warfare between nations because kings would have to struggle with their vasels to get enything done. With centralization, European states looked beyond their boarders for more opportunities which brought them into conflict with one an other more often, hence why this armes race probably began in the 16th century. The 16th century was also the time that traditional medieval armies were being abandoned in favor of fire arms and more modern tactics. If European nations wished to keep up with their neiighbors in these changing times, they had to constantly innovate. As for why there was more warfare in Europe then in other places. I don't know for sure but my theory is that it has to do with Europe's small size and the fact that the nations bordered each other more often then nations in other parts of the world. The lack of formidable natural boarders like jungles, desserts and large mountain ranges may also be a factor.
@tauempire1793
@tauempire1793 3 года назад
@@thefrenchkiwi9435 a mixture of the dark ages, collapse of the Roman Empire ans size of Europe as you said would be a major reason for why their was alot of warfare.
@willek1335
@willek1335 3 года назад
@@thefrenchkiwi9435 I get that we have access to more European documents than documents from other regions, but how can we tell if it in fact occurred more war in Europe? I don't know how we could realistically measure it.
@Thomas_Oklahoma
@Thomas_Oklahoma 3 года назад
I view Africa with Eurasia as I view Native Americas with Eurasia, just cultures that evolved differently in different conditions. As with most Indigenous American Cultures, most Sub Saharan African Cultures evolved to be in tune with their environment, they had better land management, they had better disease preventative lifestyles, they were more self-sufficient and were more evolved socially and spiritually (compared to much of Europe anyway). IMO Africa was no utopia and they sure did have tribal and kingdom warfare as well as conquest, but there was no mass genocide, mass slavery, famine or plagues. Some Africans did create several isolated Kingdoms, Chiefdoms and Empires in the toughest topographies and climate on earth with so much natural barriers such as deserts and forests. The fact that farming, domestications, record keeping/writing, mathematics, state building etc. evolved in isolation is one of the biggest accomplishments in human history. IMO
@tauempire1793
@tauempire1793 3 года назад
I mean you are partly correct but also incorrect at the same time omus the vast majority of African states were not "Tribal"
@Thomas_Oklahoma
@Thomas_Oklahoma 3 года назад
@@tauempire1793 Yes many were, even the empires and kingdoms had tribal clans. There were also tribal kingdoms, lol. Tribalism was and is still part of Africa. What's to be ashamed about that?
@introspectiver1787
@introspectiver1787 3 года назад
Africans did not have "better land management", just more land. "There were no "better disease prevention lifestyles" you only need to look at traditional medicines to see this. "And there certainly wasn't any greater "spiritual or social evolution". Much of society that we have records of was either backwards or in line with what happened at the time. You have a romanticised notion of Africa when that wasn't the case. "Mass genocides, slavery, famines, or plagues" Yeah, those existed. And in many of the more advanced societies human sacrifice was a fact of daily life.
@Thomas_Oklahoma
@Thomas_Oklahoma 3 года назад
@@introspectiver1787 Many African Nations and Tribes practiced disease prevention. These included burning settlements as a disinfectant and shifting settlements to new locations. Social distancing was practiced by dispersing settlements - Archaeologists. And many living in the jungles and wetlands build their settlements away from waterways such as rivers, lakes and swamps to avoid malaria outbreaks. They learned this from earlier pandemics such as small pox and so on.
@Thomas_Oklahoma
@Thomas_Oklahoma 3 года назад
@@introspectiver1787 Human sacrifice was practiced by some Pagan Tribe cultures across Europe, mostly with the Viking and Druids societies. But Human Sacrifice was heavily practiced in Rome and by the Catholic Church, they committed more sacrifices than all the world combined. Europe also had tribes that were for the most part peaceful such as the Sami, all continents has their share of peaceful Tribes at some point.
@YaBoiDREX
@YaBoiDREX 3 года назад
Africa is only “behind” when considering a few arbitrary inventions such as the wheel or writing. It’s far ahead if you want to consider metallurgy or medicine. The problem is not Africa being primitive, it’s applying a Eurocentric perspective onto things where they don’t fit.
@ashori100
@ashori100 3 года назад
Good point healthcare is more important for survival in africa since there are more diseases in the tropics
@YaBoiDREX
@YaBoiDREX 3 года назад
@@Capta1nAfrica I was being general since lacking the wheel is one of the things people talk about when they say Africans are “behind”
@unknownflapjack7O7
@unknownflapjack7O7 3 года назад
Agreed. But I think he meant as far as technological like the gun and political advancements like an empire expanding past its natural barriers.
@kbtitan2464
@kbtitan2464 3 года назад
Spot on
@bumblediosa2206
@bumblediosa2206 3 года назад
Perfectly well said
@prophetofbara1214
@prophetofbara1214 3 года назад
Very good video Jabari. Geography can play a major part in cultural development, but that clearly didn't stop Sub Saharan Africans from creating complex civilizations, states, kingdoms, and empires.
@alexrexaros9837
@alexrexaros9837 2 года назад
Most of which never came to become as advanced as Eurasia's empires. A lot of them were pretty developed, but they never caught up with the sociological and technological progress of Eurasian nations. A shame, really.
@prophetofbara1214
@prophetofbara1214 2 года назад
@@alexrexaros9837 that's part of the problem. Assuming history is a measuring contest when it's not. Africa didn't have a bronze age and many of them had medical traditions completely unique to them until Europe adopted them later. And many had trade routes spanning the Indian Ocean for 2000 years. We should take the history of these regions around the world on a case by case basis. Because pining them against each other breeds disingenuous discussions that lack nuance.
@blackerpanther3329
@blackerpanther3329 Год назад
Complex? 😂😂😂😂
@AdamBetweentheLines
@AdamBetweentheLines 6 месяцев назад
@@prophetofbara1214came to say the same thing. There are different priorities of cultures. My favourite example is that while the British were too busy with conquering the world, some Eastern Europeans made sure every house has a bathroom. The British were using communal bathrooms until the 1980’. It’s all about priorities.
@jason-tq9nh
@jason-tq9nh 3 года назад
I mean idk why there's always a need for Eurasians to compare Precolonial Africa to Europe and Asia(also vice versa). It comes from insecurity. Africa had many great civilizations such as Great Zimbabwe, Benin kingdom, Oyo Empire, Ife kingdom, Abysinnia, Asante Empire etc.
@introspectiver1787
@introspectiver1787 3 года назад
None of them lived as long as or accomplished as much as what happened in Eurasia and were backwards in many aspects (technologically) to what occurred abroad. Yes it was because of Africa's isolation and climate but it still remains the truth.
@TDK2K
@TDK2K 3 года назад
Europeans and Asian don't and never have compared themselves to Africa. African nations were never a threat to them. Get real, your statement itself reveals your own insecurities.
@tompossessed1729
@tompossessed1729 3 года назад
@@TDK2K piss off Africa was a threat if they weren't it would have ended like south America when Europeans invade during the 13th century, futhermore Europeans tryer multiple times in the 14 and 15th century to take over but failed for the most part such a Mali, Ethiopia, and Matope to Somalia. Also people love to joke about wankada or we wuz kangz everytime something that not shaka Zulu is mentioned.
@tauempire1793
@tauempire1793 3 года назад
@@tompossessed1729 they invaded America during the 15th and 16th century but yeah I agree
@tompossessed1729
@tompossessed1729 3 года назад
@@tauempire1793 Damn but that correction actually reinforced my point since their were no repeated attempts to invade
@micha2909
@micha2909 3 года назад
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It's true, Africa is practically separated from the rest of the world by three oceans - the Indian, the Atlantic and the Saharan.
@MsAaprill
@MsAaprill Год назад
Well, so is Australia…
@Dhruv_Dogra
@Dhruv_Dogra Год назад
Three oceans including the Saharan? 🤣🤣
@attatawil
@attatawil 6 месяцев назад
@@Dhruv_Dograhe was making a point, obviously the Sahara is not an ocean but effectively cuts them off in the same way
@justhavealittlefaith77
@justhavealittlefaith77 19 дней назад
@@MsAaprill And Austarlia didn't start developing until Europeans came.
@cavaugnsharkey2699
@cavaugnsharkey2699 3 года назад
Makes sense, but unfortunately some refuse to acknowledge these disadvantageous factors and innovative technics to overcome their obstacles.
@greatestindanationwide8332
@greatestindanationwide8332 3 года назад
They rather just blame it on race and call it a day instead of looking at the information objectively
@tompossessed1729
@tompossessed1729 3 года назад
@@greatestindanationwide8332 the race one is stupid because occam's razors shows thier too many variables like how cold winter are inconsistent with innovation
@maiskk6326
@maiskk6326 3 года назад
The problem with this is that the time frame extends to multiple centuries, there are no ways to accurately say when was Africa behind / ahead the same ... And in which regards ? Arts, weaponry, biology, medicine, geology, astronomy ? I know it's just a thought, still needs to be less global
@zacharyclark3693
@zacharyclark3693 3 года назад
I never thought about this before, but how did the Black Death (Bubonic plague) affect the people in Africa? Eastern Africa had trade routes to India and Asia, and West Africa had some trade routes to Northern Africa (and thus, potentially Southern Europe). Are there any accounts of this in African histories? Or was there a reason they were not affected?
@cavaugnsharkey2699
@cavaugnsharkey2699 3 года назад
I believe the Sahara Desert stopped the progress of the Bubonic Plague, and thus it never spread south.
@mrnancy1114
@mrnancy1114 3 года назад
@@cavaugnsharkey2699 Actually you may want to revisit that, I thought this was the case but found out differently a few yrs back. Put the following highlights in your search engine. *The Black Death may have transformed medieval societies in sub-Saharan Africa* *By Lizzie WadeMar. 6, 2019 , 12:00 PM* *Science*
@admirekashiri9879
@admirekashiri9879 3 года назад
@@mrnancy1114 Well thats new i never thought it entered passed the Sahara.
@mrnancy1114
@mrnancy1114 3 года назад
@@admirekashiri9879 Yeah I only became aware of it being in Mali and perhaps the Gambia a few yrs ago.
@cavaugnsharkey2699
@cavaugnsharkey2699 3 года назад
@@mrnancy1114 Thanks bro, I haven't really studied much about the Black Death and its effects across the world. Good to have viable information.
@admirekashiri9879
@admirekashiri9879 3 года назад
Good video bro honestly these circumstances are what I usually highlight to people obsessed with having a d*ck measuring contest when comparing Africa to Eurasia. Two regions with different circumstances influencing the cultures and civilizations that developed. It shouldn't be a competition as to what region is better, both regions thrived and survived with what they had handed to them (figuratively speaking).
@some1350
@some1350 3 года назад
Nah. When you got racists telling you that black people have low IQ and use that to justify doing horrible things to blacks it kinda is like that. Don't get me wrong you shouldn't get obssessed with it though.
@zeewann
@zeewann 2 года назад
@@some1350 I get both your points, but the very idea that racists can say with their full chest that a "more intelligent" group should ruthlessly exploit a "less intelligent" one up to enslavement and genocide just goes to show how demonic they are.
@Speedofdark339
@Speedofdark339 7 месяцев назад
Some asain Thai clown tried telling me africa was nothing compared to eurasia, lol. I couldn't take him seriously😂.
@Speedofdark339
@Speedofdark339 4 месяца назад
Right you are. Im even having an argument with some kid on IG who said that african civilisations are "nothing" in comparison to Asia and Europe. He even said that a small village In Italy is "better built and has better history than all of 'sub saharan' africa combined", along with insulting african civilisations like G. Zimbabwe and mali calling them "mud huts" to put it simply. Should I give this guy anymore attention?.
@СамвелПогосян-я1б
@СамвелПогосян-я1б 3 месяца назад
​@@Speedofdark339the guy who said that European and Asian cultures are more developed than African ones is clearly right. You have to be stupid to disagree with this thesis. If it weren’t for colonization, black people would still be running around with spears
@yungslash8616
@yungslash8616 3 года назад
Well although I agree that Africa was behind in trade and other things. Africa was not necessarily behind when it came to developing civilisations like that we see in Eurasia. And Sub Saharan Africa didn’t need influence from North Africa or Eurasia to develop things in there civilisation such as iron and architecture. Like for example parts of west and central Africa has been using iron metallurgy from 2500 BC. Iron metallurgy in west and central Africa predates iron metallurgy in the Nile valley, North Africa and Europe. North Africa entered the Iron Age in 800-400 BC. And most of Europe had influence from Ancient Rome and the Mediterranean regions of Europe and in ancient times european civilisation was limited to only a few regions. I am not saying Africa wasn’t limited in ancient times tho as the most ancient civilisations in Africa we find are D’mt in Eritrea, ancient Egypt and Nubia in the Nile valley, Nok and Dhar Tichitt in west Africa, Sao civ in central Africa. And obv civilisations in Africa like Axum, Swahili city states and Somali kingdoms did develop there civilisations via trade with the Middle East so did Europe. I do agree about the point you made about the wheel. The wheel was exclusively used in North Africa and the Horn of Africa while west, central and South Africa lacked it until it was introduced to them by Europeans. And btw you failed to mention another home grown script in Africa such as Lusona script which dates back to the 6th century BC in central Africa. I don’t see anything wrong with Africa adopting scripts from the Middle East tho because a lot of scripts in Eurasia are not home grown either. But you are right that Africa lacked widespread civilisations and empires across the continent. And Africa only having widespread civilisations across the Sahel, Maghreb, Nile valley and east Africa. But I do think it’s a little unfair tho because Africa has terrible archaeology and we are still missing a large chunk of Africa’s history due to Africa not having a booming archaeology like Europe or Asia. I personally think Africa has to be studied a lot more as everyone can agree Africa’s ancient past is very “understudied”. And I do agree that trade from Eurasia came to Africa very slowly. But this was just my thoughts
@micha2909
@micha2909 3 года назад
100% agree with the archaelogy point. God knows what is waiting in Africa's soil to be discovered by scientists.
@Kannot2023
@Kannot2023 3 года назад
In Europe besides Greeks and Romans, there were celts,Tracian,Dacia, Scythian, who had their own civilization.
@micha2909
@micha2909 3 года назад
@@Kannot2023 These might be considered "cultures" rather than "civilizations".
@tauempire1793
@tauempire1793 3 года назад
@@micha2909 I mean the term civ is abit bias like th4 Nok weren't necessarily a civilisation rather a culture similar to the Celts but we regard them as a civilisation. Civilisation is a bias term as I said and it depends upon the context we are comming from
@micha2909
@micha2909 3 года назад
@@tauempire1793 Sure, it is a bit of a judgment.
@Cybernaut551
@Cybernaut551 2 года назад
Your opinions/thoughts about social studies are thoroughly well stated and to the point.
@mrnancy1114
@mrnancy1114 3 года назад
TBH , the need for African civilizations being constantly compared to Eurasian civilizations is quite annoying. Very few civilizations spans the equivalent of Rome , Persian or Ottomans , the Mongols and even the Greeks were episodic, but easily splintered. Love F/N uploads, but look how much caveats he had to Make regarding Africa and the spread of information and technology from within Africa. Keep in mind we have yet to have a full understanding of the nature of those civilizations at best. How much larger would one want Songhai to be or even Kenam Bornu at it's height. And the Forest Kingdoms, weren't they basically spinoffs from the Savannah civilizations without the Islamic input??.. being more like early Wagadu empire. The spread of Iron falsified the regional locals only premises. So did other technologies and long-distance trade. We now know for eg, that the Kingdom of the Kongo had diplomatic and perhaps cultural relations with Benin, they traveled on the open seas to exchange embassies and trade, this is from the work a *Fist Full of Shells* by Toby Green. That Gongs, from faraway present day Ghana found it's way to the Iron age site of Thulamela in South Africa , that may have formed part of the Zimbabwean complex, I'd like to discover more about such relationships. I say on a whole Africa did not suffered from comparison to Europe and Asia during the ancient and medieval era.
@mch7933
@mch7933 3 года назад
best comment!
@admirekashiri9879
@admirekashiri9879 3 года назад
Being a Zimbabwean I have heard the Mwene-Kongo (King of Kongo) and Mwene-Mutapa (King of Mutapa aka Great Zimbabwe), yep there is indeed a link in the language and royal titles but they had contact and trade according to a Zimbabwean historian I know. How extensive i don't know though.
@mrnancy1114
@mrnancy1114 3 года назад
@@admirekashiri9879 Yes , this type of history is poorly understood by many, including myself, peeling back the vast layers of African history will take time , for Africa does not give up it's secrets easily.
@admirekashiri9879
@admirekashiri9879 3 года назад
@@mrnancy1114 exactly there is so so much we don't know certain conclusions without more research can't be made we keep being show new stuff with the growing number of researchers and excavations looking into Africa.
@safuwanfauzi5014
@safuwanfauzi5014 3 года назад
@@admirekashiri9879 Zimbabwean did they have body armor like north Africa, Asia and Europe. did any medieval city or ancient city with old building like London, Cordoba, Fez, Cairo, Jeddah, Damascus, Rabat, Granada did any building or monument building in Zimbabwe in pre-Europe and Arab like Taj Mahal, Castle, Petra, Madain Saleh, Colosseum, Angkor Wat and Borobudur, any university, sewer system, palace? so it similar to Papuan, Australian aboriginal do not have any great achievement
@therationalcollection2999
@therationalcollection2999 3 года назад
Your videos are a nice change from the usual irrational rubbish on these topics. Thanks for the content ♥️ I think connection and the ability (and willingness) to adopt new ideas is most important thing :)
@chillwithrahn1791
@chillwithrahn1791 3 года назад
One reason imo is that Europe is far smaller, so communication and thought transfer was far quicker. Africa is huge with wildly differing climates making thought transfer harder.
@safuwanfauzi5014
@safuwanfauzi5014 3 года назад
Asia is huge too, Mesoamerican are isolated yet they do better and created great civilization and writing script, great city too, with astronomy, calendar and others, American Maya did better than sub-Saharan black
@chillwithrahn1791
@chillwithrahn1791 3 года назад
@@safuwanfauzi5014 China mainly developed on the east. The west is unproductive land. So transfer was centralized in the restricted fertile area. West Africa did quite well benin city, Timbuktu, lots of kingdoms empires, however the area was still vast with many different peoples that didn't have time to consolidate. The south Americans were dealt an even worse card. Very limited animals, no iron weapons, cultures built upon human sacrifice fostered deep hostility internally. So when the Europeans came in with diseases it was a wrap.
@safuwanfauzi5014
@safuwanfauzi5014 2 года назад
@@user-vw6bk4pb4l Maya did have gold, silver n coppper, did have calender, writings script, but no iron, steel n wheel, no horse. but more advance than bnin, ashanti n zulu. ethophia are semites, sudan because of egypt,
@greatestindanationwide8332
@greatestindanationwide8332 2 года назад
@@safuwanfauzi5014 dude what?
@jmute44
@jmute44 Год назад
@@safuwanfauzi5014 the may was not more advance, you need to read up on West African history
@MrRoccoMarchegiano
@MrRoccoMarchegiano 3 года назад
Never considered the homeland aspect. Very good point, necessity breeds invention, if you don't need, you don't invent. Would love to see the rift one day.
@garianarnold3754
@garianarnold3754 8 месяцев назад
Oh yeah the split in Africa, that's millions of years away tho 😢😢😢😢
@greatestindanationwide8332
@greatestindanationwide8332 3 года назад
Really good video tbh it answers the question really well why an African Rome didn’t exist south of the Saharan
@tauempire1793
@tauempire1793 3 года назад
I mean tbf it does depend on what you consider a "Rome" style nation. The average Size of African Kingdoms and Empire's generally were much larger then their European and even to an extent many of their Asian counterparts. Axum was over 1 million in kilometres and so was Songhai and Mali and there are others not too far behind. You can't really compare anything to Rome, few nations reach such a size.
@makeytgreatagain6256
@makeytgreatagain6256 3 года назад
@@tauempire1793 yeah but unlike the Romans they neve left a unified language, culture and religion like the Romans did. Auxum didn’t even accomplish this otherwise we wouldn’t be having issue in Ethiopia and Eritrea regarding tribalism religion and language.
@tompossessed1729
@tompossessed1729 3 года назад
@@makeytgreatagain6256 To be honest askum really put itself in bad situations when they were christian rights when Arabia became mulsim
@napolien1310
@napolien1310 3 года назад
@@tompossessed1729 how is that?
@mrnancy1114
@mrnancy1114 3 года назад
@@makeytgreatagain6256 That was an inadequate reply, didn't Rome split into two political spheres with two variations of Christianity. Persia had a huge empire rivaling Rome in size yet how many far flung peoples of that once great empire speak Persian or Farsi. Ditto for the Ottoman Turks.
@tompossessed1729
@tompossessed1729 3 года назад
They didn't have trade as early on compared to eurasia so they were behind and despite that thier were already comparable sates like the Ghana empire and Congo kingdoms. However when trade enter sates like Mali, ashanti and many more caught to a comparable level.
@greatestindanationwide8332
@greatestindanationwide8332 3 года назад
Similar to the Aztecs the Congo kingdom was basically that same way like Yoruba and Igbo both accomplished a lot being very isolated. African kingdoms could had been just like everyone if the climate was a lot different
@mrnancy1114
@mrnancy1114 3 года назад
*Sigh!* again folks are under this misconception that Africans lagged behind in Trade, according to Christopher Ehret of UCLA, West Africans actually started out being long distance traders and not by royal charters either , but by groups of Individuals often specialist . The Proto Wagadu cities 2500 B.C were developed in wards, producing different items for trading and was long-distance in nature, matter of fact one by product of this far flung network maybe seen in the Tumulus burials from the Senegal river to the Niger and the Nile. And oh by the way they did this by making use the Donkey an African domesticated beast of burden, which incidentally found it's way to Sumer. So it was no accident that when North Africans and later Arabs came on the scene thousands of yrs later, they found a well developed system of trade in the area. We just don't know enough to make such assumptions.
@ImprobableMatter
@ImprobableMatter 3 года назад
I think the fact that writing was not widely used (the Nsibidi script at 3:59 notwithstanding) was a huge factor. Your excellent videos on base 2 (binary) numbers are a great example: in that case, the ideas and thoughts were passed along through generations, but many others were not. I bet complex philosophical ideas, like Plato's Cave (which is basically the Classical background to the modern film The Matrix), were invented and thought about many times by people in Africa, Asia, the Americas and elsewhere, but they did not survive because writing was not widespread.
@uniformityofnature1488
@uniformityofnature1488 Год назад
I am from southern Nigeria, I can confirm that most knowledge and written systems were kept within secret societies that still exist today.
@Saganen
@Saganen 3 года назад
Thank you for this great video! I have two points to make. The first is that you focus a lot on Rome as being the major influencer on European culture and development. I strongly believe that Christianity is the dominant factor. You mentioned it a bit in the start, but I truly believe that the foundation of western civilization is build upon the massive influence of the Jewish and Christian faith. There are several books on this topic. One reason this often is neglected is the rise of atheism in the last century. The second point is the use of the term Africa. Nothing wrong with it - but I would really love if you go more into depts on the differences on African regions, cultures and so on. You often say Africa while there is major differences from the Sahel to the Atlas Mountains to all the other very different regions and people. I would love if you broke up a bit this "united Africa term" and came more into depths with the differences on the regions. I stuied a lot of congolese and west african art, as I work at an auction house. I was OVERWHELMED by the extreme diversity of such small regions. Over 500 languages alone in Nigera - mindblown. Understand my point correctly. There is nothing wrong with saying Africa. But I would just really love to get deeper into the specifics. Much love from Denmark.
@HistoryandHeadlines
@HistoryandHeadlines 3 года назад
I hope to be able to visit Africa some day. My dad's been there and I still have a postcard from when he visited.
@tauempire1793
@tauempire1793 3 года назад
I mean our concept of "behind" is fairly bias and can be very culturally centric. If you see and look into detail for African Civilisations, there many cultural apsects far ahead of much of their American and Eurasian Counterparts and as you said there are different achievements. We also have to say Africa is a extremely large continent being the second largest in the world. Now then, onto large Empire's, we do have to admit the average Kingdoms and Empire's of Africa were fairly larger and to a degree more populated then the various Kingdoms and Empire's within most of Europe and even much of Asia. Songhai, Mali, Axum were all larger and even more populated then the majority of Eurasian States. Infact the Axumite Empire was so large you could fit 5 of them into the Roman Empire, thats a fair achievement per to say in size and landmass compared to most kingdoms like the Kingdom of england where it wasn't as large or populated enough. So overall we of course see dvelopment that even has exceeded to a degree much of Eurasia and the Americas though because the size of the continent, natural barriers and the diverse and different cultures we could rarely see a large spread of innovations and isolation when it came to ideas with the only almost universal thing being the vast majorty of sub saharan Africa skipping Bronze and moving onto Iron based tools and weaponry. If we look at it, many African civilisations are older then many Chinese ones. Complex chinese civilisation starts with the Xia Dynasty which is only in 2070 BC. Now the existence of the Xia has been debated upon, if it actually exists meaning the only confirmed earliest dyansty is the Shang that started in 1600 BC unlike Kerma which goes back as far as 2500 BC or Ta-Seti that goes back to 3500 BC. Infact the chinese Iron age starts much later then others but they invented so many things later on and became one of the worlds greatest civilisations for innovations and impact much of the world. Remember people all civilisations advance and rise and have golden ages and collapses because humans are the same regardless of what some idiotic psudoscientist believes.
@piotrjeske4599
@piotrjeske4599 3 года назад
Well they had to skip bronze . In Europe in was a thing till the early middle ages because both copper and tin were accessible. It took the rise of Islam , and the cutting of from the Syrian foundries, which forced the switch to iron. Regarding the size of territory aspect it is only partially true. Yes Africa had kingdoms of a very large size, but the same the density of population was much smaller. It is like Russia and most of its population living in the pre Ural regions , but most of the countries territory being Asian.
@tauempire1793
@tauempire1793 3 года назад
@@piotrjeske4599 oh yes this is a reaosn why copper smelting comes later but Iron smelting comes early in Africa and to a degree yes population is partially true though in terms of population there was still more people living within African states then there were European states it's just that the density may of not been as high in certain areas and so on so fourth but my point still persists. I'm not saying Africans inherently were better to do these things no there are reasons why group rise and fall and why some are able to advance more then others and there is nothing inherent about the people that makes them advanced as humans are the same. We have to keep in mind that there are environmental reasons for why Africans states and civilisations had many benefits and advantages compared to much of the world but also many flaws and disadvantages. I'm just stating the fact that Africa has usually been on par with the rest of the world until roughly the 1500 century and after and even then that's arguably not fully correct. Large Empire's like Songhai and Mali would've dwarfed that of England and were still more populated. Of course the density or population in Europe wasn't that far behind but because Africa was the birth place of humanity and that the local resources allowed for the growth of large states, far and extending trade routes and overall good diets until after European Colonisation we can see that the amount population was also ahead of Europe for much of it's time and this was not the case everywhere no, but it was the case in many places with centralised states, for example kongo and portugal had a population similar to eachother meaning the populations of Africa weren't small and Mali had a larger populations then France at the same time period. We just have to remember these things.
@tauempire1793
@tauempire1793 3 года назад
@@piotrjeske4599 also Iron metallurgy in Europe goes back a far bit during the bronze age collapse in greece. And of course the rise of the Greek and Roman Empire's which was before Islam. Now for Africa Iron metllurgy is also older then Islam and infact, when the Kushites were pushed out of egypt they adopted Iron into their full scale arsenal for their forces after such event and most Iron making in Africa was rather independent. Infact the oldest site in the world for iron making is Central Africa that goes back to 2000 BC and these are mostly independent creations with North Eastern and Northetn Africa of course being exceptions due to them being exposed to Eurasia.
@thatangrywickedtardigrade.39
@thatangrywickedtardigrade.39 3 года назад
@@tauempire1793 actually the oldest iron making in the world is somewhere in present turkey which dates from 2500 BC which is a iron dagger made in ancient Anatolia.
@thatangrywickedtardigrade.39
@thatangrywickedtardigrade.39 2 года назад
@Stratos I in Africa there was armor depending on the area in central and South Africa the armor was rare and if it was it would be at best leather or quilted armor because of the environment in a hot and humid environment heat retention is not something you want to have considering that Metal armor would retain a lot of heat. Only in Western, Northern, and Eastern Africa metal and quilted armors depending on culture and environment they were, those types of armor were more prevalent because of trade, just because africa was not just as advanced in most areas does not mean that they were as primitive as you would claim to be they used shields because they did not wear much armor in hotter and more humid environments.
@elijahclaude3413
@elijahclaude3413 3 года назад
Very interesting theory!! I think another important thing to think about is whether many African civilizations were actually more advanced than we realized today, but the evidence was likely destroyed due to time, looters, and ofc colonizers who not only systematically burned down cities like Mali, but also dug up ruins thinking there had to be some sort of european influence underneath (like with Zimbabwe). Many African peoples can date their cultures back thousands of years, all the way back to when the Sahara was a grassland with lakes. Its not hard to believe that they may have had ancient civilizations that were simply eroded away after thousands of years, or otherwise buried underneath sands, forests, and so on.
@elijahclaude3413
@elijahclaude3413 2 года назад
​@Stratos I The fact that we have proof of Europeans literally destroying all evidence of ancient African civilizations (again, go look up the folks who dug up the ruins of Zimbabwe or the folks who burned the Edo/Mali empire to the ground) is what makes this a logically tenable and reasonable position. It's not at all ideal, because the lack of evidence means we may not ever be able to say for sure either way. That's exactly what makes this such a tragic and sobering possibility to keep in mind. "Lack of evidence is not evidence of absence". I would never go so far as to say these civilizations had spaceships or some crazy stuff, but we cannot simply assume they never did anything just because we can't or haven't yet found any evidence. If anything, I think we should be more meticulous and actually sponsor more research in this area in order to find anything that might have been saved, overlooked, or hidden. Because, as of now, very few people are even bothering to look, which means any evidence people might find is dismissed, privatized, or destroyed before it ever sees the light of day.
@elijahclaude3413
@elijahclaude3413 2 года назад
​@Stratos I Ah, therein is your assumption and obvious agenda. I don't know CRT talking points nor do I care. I am not an afrocentrist nor am I presuming that Africa was better than anywhere else. I am only justifiably pointing out the huge oversight in the anthropological data. And in fact, I do think the same goes for almost every other aboriginal society. We see hints of societies all across the world being more advanced than the obviously racist and/or statist societies claim them to be. Wengrow and Graeber's recent book, The Dawn of Everything, begins to shed light on this matter as well. It is a fact that many, many cultures previously dismissed as 'barbaric' or 'savages' actually had very advanced methods of governance, sustainable food production/foraging, and even construction and medicines. Again, I am not saying they were as advanced as what we have today, but they were certainly more advanced than they are given credit today. And there is still much we could learn from these societies if people (perhaps like yourself, though I dont want to presume) stop ignoring the obvious gap in our knowledge. So your wager is wrong. Are you going to admit as such or will you double down?
@elijahclaude3413
@elijahclaude3413 2 года назад
​@Stratos I Now I know you're not even up to a reasonable debate. Didn't the British get absolutely demolished in that battle?? Despite having 'superior weaponry', they were still torn apart by the Zulu? Much of Africa (and many other indigenous societies) did not fall merely due to the Europeans use of guns. They fell due to infighting just as much if not more than guns. And it was certainly not 'because they were backwards' whatever that means under your thinly veiled racism. Authoritarian regimes, no matter where on Earth you find them, all end the same way: through infighting that fractures further due to external pressure. Civilization is indeed defined by statist powers who wish to legitimize their autocratic way of life against other, much longer lived egalitarian societies deemed as 'uncivilized'. But human history (and even 'prehistory) is riddled with hints of civilizations that don't follow the common definition. Not because they didnt organize themselves into what could be considered a 'civilization', but simply because people like you just don't want to include them. Perhaps because it doesnt fit into your own ideology you have ironically been massaging? The fact that you said 'it has all been mapped out by archeology for centuries' is yet another blatant lie screaming your ignorance and/or misjudgments. Literally every year we discover new things that force us to reconsider what we thought we knew about human history. In 2021 we discovered clues that humans migrated to the Americas a few thousand years earlier than we thought. These are very strong clues that will most likely disprove the Clovis theory that has been popular till now. We also discovered evidence that some societies treated nonbinary and disabled people in high respect, which disproves the idea that gender neutral expressions are recent, and that prehistoric cultures were not able/willing to take care of the disabled. I highly suggest you go take a look at channels like Stefan Milo or HomeTeam History. Or even just google recent archeological discoveries before coming back here to spout more nonsense. I greatly enjoy being wrong and discovering new things, but you aren't even making this an interesting discussion. Good day sir/ma'am!
@sdrrshock5594
@sdrrshock5594 2 года назад
Wakanda isn’t a real place you know
@AsteriusAetosSonOfTheDawn
@AsteriusAetosSonOfTheDawn Год назад
@@sdrrshock5594 asgard and olympus arent real either racist
@akata7644
@akata7644 3 года назад
Imma be honest Jabari I don't like alotta points you made in this video. Comparing continents to entire other continents is false and reductive. If most of Africa 'lagged' behind then I can accurately say Europe lagged behind until Roman expansion. Comparing entire content like this is just reductive, not to mention you differentiate between Subsaharan and North Africa, if you are going to do that then differentiate Mediterranean Europe from northern and western Europe, I bet you would have a very different comparison then. If you are going to compare continent then at least count the entire continent of Africa Secondly you claimed Eurasia developed because of "challenges" from prehistoric creatures. This is false, gaint megafauna and winter isn't key for human development. If it did then why are the earliest human civilizations in the near east. In a Mediterranean grassland/desert and not in Scandinavia or Siberia. You contradicted yourself with that in this vid. Not only is this reasoning false but it's what alot of yt nationalist use as proof of the lie of white peoples cognitive superiority. "Yt people developed in harsher climates, so they made civilization faster", thats their argument, and its false, the earliest civs came from the freaking desert in the near east while also most of Eurasia was in the stone age. Not to mention the reason why early humans succeeded in Eurasia is because of the African Gene's experience over other hominids, spears and hunting tactics against far more dangerous megafauna where developed in Africa, that's why Neanderthals got outcompeted. Lastly Africa did not lag behind they had empires with a unifying religion, and competed with eachother for land, trade, and resources. It's no different from the rest of the world. Africa had both Islam and Christian empires, one had the the richest man to exists and the other has legendary status in the Medieval Christian world. Mali, Songhi, Axum, do those not count because they didn't expand to the entire continent? Songhai by itself is like half the size of the entire continent of Europe are we just gonna not talk about them when it comes to religion. And writing, the University of Timbuktu, the most famous in the Muslim world. Like tf? I guess that doesn't count as widespread writing within an Empire? Tbh I'm really confused by your intent with this video and putting this vid in the "My bad series" or just straight up redoing it is what I recommend to discourage disinformation.
@Drgguv
@Drgguv 3 года назад
Military techonically, and ideal economic theory, wheel and writing yes it algged behind for the majority part.
@mrnancy1114
@mrnancy1114 3 года назад
@@Drgguv Military technology and economic theory as compared to whom and when in Africa and whom and when in Europe and Asia.
@Joker-yw9hl
@Joker-yw9hl 3 года назад
Africa has always had very strong and capable civilisations throughout its history. I think it's fair enough though to say that the Sahara Desert pretty much excluded most of Sub-Saharan Africa (especially the interior) from the outside world/Eurasia, and Eurasia was where it was at (primarily because of Asia). A lot could be gained from access to the Silk Road, and Africa (Sub-Saharan) simply wasn't a part of that (not in the same way as Eurasian economies). It is also fair to point out that apart from the fertile lands of West Africa where food could be grown in sufficient quantities, the lack of a *proper* winter makes it *much* more difficult, expensive and time consuming to grow crops than it does in a temperate climate like Northern Europe. One of the main functions of winter is to kill all the insects and wipe the slate clean for a fresh start. Without that you get problems which still persist to this day. Locusts, flies, mosquitos carrying diseases etc etc.. and not to mention there isn't a huge amount of interconneted navigable rivers in Africa like the Mississippi basin in America for example, which runs right through the continent in a way which is hugely beneficial for the Americans, both in terms of the economy and for arable land. Even Europe has no integrated River system - their rivers are all in their own economic zones which correspond with national borders. The Seine for example is not connected in any way to the Rhine, the Danube or the Volga. For this reason it's much easier to integrate the United States than it is to integrate Africa or Europe. But like I said in my own comment on this video, no peoples are inferior or superior to one another. It's all about geography and circumstance. The Germans for example are more industrious and hard-working than other Europeans because of their geopolitical situation in the centre of Europe, surrounded on all sides and with Russia to its east, France to its west and Britain hanging offshore able to stick its nose in whenever it wants. It bleeds into their culture. It happens all over the world. Americans can afford to be ignorant and silly because their geographic advantage and overall protection is so great that they couldn't screw it up if they tried. Britain could afford to play about with ideas like Parliamentary Democracy and the Industrial Revolution because of its geographic protection (so long as it controlled the local seas and played the Europeans off against each other, which wasn't hard as they often shared land borders and mutual distrust/competing interests). It's all relative I suppose is what I'm saying. Different continents had different challenges and advantages and that's just the way it is. China is also an interesting case study as its geography lends itself to central authoritarian rule to keep all the regions in check, and then periods of mass instability and civil revolt. It's almost cyclical. It's incredible really how much geography plays a role in civilisations
@mrnancy1114
@mrnancy1114 3 года назад
You said [ It is also fair to point out that apart from the fertile lands of West Africa where food could be grown in sufficient quantities, the lack of a proper winter makes it much more difficult, expensive and time consuming to grow crops than it does in a temperate climate like Northern Europe.] Northern Europe was never a temperate zone, and you are not looking at the fact that, much of East and central East African economies was based around large cattle herding, and had very little interest in being farmers which they tend to loathed, even in the mixed economies of Southern Africa, cattle was the primary focus, so cultural determinism ie. choice, have a lot to do with it .
@Joker-yw9hl
@Joker-yw9hl 3 года назад
@@mrnancy1114 yeah I feel like that proves my point if anything but you are absolutely correct (edit: about the cattle, while Europe is a temperate climate but yeah).
@NeinSquared
@NeinSquared 3 года назад
I think something else that could be interesting to add is the fact that modern sub Saharan African states-minus Ethiopia- really did not have a chance to develop naturally. We see that as the Europeans and others began trading with coastal African peoples (like the Ashanti, the Kongo, etc) they all managed to adapt new technology within their pre-existing cultural institutions. Colonialism, I think, stalled this process and largely dismantled a lot of native institutions: leaving many African states of today as a patchwork of European and Cold War institutions.
@greatestindanationwide8332
@greatestindanationwide8332 3 года назад
I agree in the 14-15 century African civilizations were actually catching up and was on its way to be like muli state civilizations especially the seheal region but then the slave trade stopped all of that. Pretty much these states never became completely established long enough before Europeans came
@ashori100
@ashori100 3 года назад
I agree Africa could have caught up if the larger states didn't collapse and destabilize certain regions (example songhai) If timbuctu continued to receive proper support it would have helped drive innovation in west Africa and the rest of the continent
@NeinSquared
@NeinSquared 3 года назад
@hunter christensen That’s true. But what I mean when I say “naturally” is in reference to the difference between colonialism and traditional expansion. When we look at what the Romans did to Gaul( now France) they incorporated it as a direct part of their empire/State. They developed it, took influence from it, settled it, etc etc. Furthermore, from what I understand, the technology gap wasn’t nearly as wide. When we look at what the British did to Nigeria and most of Africa there’s a stark difference. Rather than incorporation we see plunder and exploitation (for example, most colonial infrastructure was for the purpose of getting goods from the interior to the coast, rather than development of the colony). Exploitation and plunder, of course occurred under the romans and all other empires in history; but I think during colonialism it was especially bad due to the fact that during this age there was no driving force to consider these conquered people as “people” and a lot of these conquests occurred remarkably quickly( within a century) and the conquests were much more efficient. So no group really had the chance to catch up or learn. When we look at why Europeans felt no need to directly incorporate much of their colonial holdings directly (France being an exception) it’s likely due to the rise of social Darwinism. Which at the time was seen as natural and factual. Despite in the past racism existing, it rarely got to the point that the humanity of a people was ignored or done away with by even the intellectual strands of society-at least that I know of. So in summary, yes no region really developed naturally. But I don’t think any region has been conquered so quickly nor as thoroughly as Africa.
@NeinSquared
@NeinSquared 3 года назад
Another important thing to mention is that a lot of Pre-colonial African states were still in the process of being forged. When we look at the Ashanti, they were still largely expanding, as were the Songhai, as were the Zulu, etc etc. European colonialism largely interrupted the process of state building that likely could have facilitated development in its own right. We see this lasting into today, with many African states struggling to develop a proper sense of nationality-the North African states being an exception. This isn’t something special to Africa, many other regions have had states destroyed in the middle of the nation building process, I just thought it was kinda interesting. Another thing to note is that of the states that did properly forge a national identity, they typically went on in attempts to expand on the continent. I bring this up because Egypt under Muhammad Ali attempted to expand southward and annex bits of Ethiopia. But Ethiopia had the chance to develop new tactics and adapt to this new age of warfare quicker than other African states. And so the conquest failed. But in places like Sudan, and parts of Uganda, Egypt consumed them and incorporated them into her empire. In summary, I think one of the reasons Africa is struggling into modern day is because very few of the modern countries have a sense of nationhood-they were largely stitched into existence by colonialism-but on the other hand, very few precolonial entities can be reconstructed or pointed to as a direction to head in-since they too were conquered. This leaves a lot of Africans in a kind of limbo; they modern states can’t quite integrate their population and their population can’t really return to their old states. Over time it’ll reach whatever conclusion and amend itself, but as for now this is how it is.
@ashori100
@ashori100 3 года назад
@@NeinSquared Thats true Egypt made it the furthest in thier industrialization process and still fell (they could mass produce rifles but I'm not sure about thier warship production ) although I think that's more because their geography isn't very defensible without a large navy. Also Ismail pasha wanted all of Ethiopia he wanted to make an empire all the way to the horn like the old punt empire
@LordPeachew
@LordPeachew 3 года назад
African Civilizations were not behind the rest of the world as you say in the video and empires such as Songhai and Egypt were some of the largest and oldest empires in history. The Wheel and Written script are not the only hallmarks of an advanced society and Africa is no picnic to live in. The people who lived there created technologies and cultures that were adapted to their environment. A winter coat is not a technological achievement for the savanna and neither is plate armor. There is a reason why it took machine guns, telegraph lines, and steamships to scramble for Africa; and that reason is that is what it took to overcome the environment, peoples, and armies they had to face.
@Noctem_pasa
@Noctem_pasa 3 года назад
“Source: I made it up “ Based
@johannlindstrom5948
@johannlindstrom5948 3 года назад
Hahahaha.
@stevestarscream5182
@stevestarscream5182 3 месяца назад
Very good video and I think you’re spot on…. This is something I have thought about for many years and I’ve pretty much come to the same conclusion
@herbertkwong1728
@herbertkwong1728 3 года назад
Technically they weren't. They were culturally different.
@amandamann25
@amandamann25 3 года назад
Bingo!
@Husky92223
@Husky92223 3 года назад
Differently behind*
@EriktheRaids82D
@EriktheRaids82D 2 года назад
I hope this channel blows the F up. Keep up the good work, buddy. 🤘🤘
@erikjrn4080
@erikjrn4080 2 года назад
I just found this channel, recommended by Metatron. Since I've been looking for more knowledge about African history, I headed straight over. I picked this video as the first to watch, for a number of reasons. Like so many others, I've asked myself that question (being white, with trepidation and a sense of guilt). It's a controversial topic, with fringe groups and fanatics of literally all colors ready to turn it into a toxic sludge fight, and a demonstratively un-curious majority ready to denounce any question or simple observation as racially motivated. If this topic isn't a test for honest curiosity and intelligent exploration, then nothing is. Needless to say, I'm now a subscriber, and convinced that this channel will become one of my favorites. In twelve minutes, I gained more understanding of (some of the) broad forces in African history than in the previous twelve years. The surest sign that it's real understanding, is that I now have dozens of new questions, and am sure to have even more, by the time I've digested this. It has also whetted my appetite for details and facts, that tend to be boring, if there's no wider perspective to place them in. The insight about the divisive effect of sharply different climates/ecosystems, a result of a continent that's longer in the north to south dimension, was particularly useful to my understanding. Combined with some other things, it explains a lot; not just limitations on sharing of technology, but also, for instance, the stunning diversity of cultures. I'll stop gushing, now, and instead watch another video. It's just that finding a channel of this quality is a rare treat. Thanks for being here!
@zacmarulo8721
@zacmarulo8721 3 года назад
The Reason why Eurasia is more "ahead" is the ease of trade: 1. Ease of trade via navigable land, sea and river routes and beasts of Burden 2. Great empires that pooled and built upon pre-existing knowledge (China, Rome etc) The reason why Europe was the MOST ahead is that it had more internal competition than any other Eurasian region. After Rome fell everyone was trying to be the next Rome but no one succeeded. Thus, these smaller rivals were pushed by the necessity to survive and conquer to advance faster than anywhere else. Other regions like the Islamic world China and India maintained large empires that stagnated overtime.
@FromNothing
@FromNothing 3 года назад
Great analysis
@zacmarulo8721
@zacmarulo8721 3 года назад
@@FromNothing Thanks.
@zacmarulo8721
@zacmarulo8721 3 года назад
@@FromNothing It occurred to me that the competition that made Europe great has been internationalized by modern globalization. The rest will catch up with the west.
@Gamingwithshubham284
@Gamingwithshubham284 Год назад
@@zacmarulo8721 india built world's first two University which show the focus on education, education is the jey if success
@Phrenotopia
@Phrenotopia 3 года назад
Very interesting and very well-researched and thought through! 👍
@CJLloyd
@CJLloyd 3 года назад
I honestly don't agree with a lot of this. It's a coherent theory, but it doesn't seem to fit with reality. Like: "Africa is perfect for humans as there are." Is it, really? The whole continent? The climate is not the same across the whole continent, and the biomes are not either. The kind of biology that is perfect for the Horn of Africa, where H. Sapiens first evolved doesn't make the whole continent perfect for us. And, we competed with other hominins in Africa too. I also detect Jared Diamond's influence on some of this, which worries me. TBH, I was expecting this whole video to be a setup for a deeper deconstruction of the hypothesis you presented, with switch to "At least, that's a commonly held opinion, but, here's some points of contention..." I'd greatly enjoy seeing that, if you felt like taking another dive at it down the line, with more time to research.
@qualiacomposite
@qualiacomposite Год назад
whats your hypothesis? serious question.
@jaybeeeasy
@jaybeeeasy 3 года назад
Africa wasn’t behind the fact that Europeans used gunpowder to create guns was the only technological advantage they had period!!!
@FromNothing
@FromNothing 3 года назад
Gunpowder was definitely not the only one. I named several in the video.
@jaybeeeasy
@jaybeeeasy 3 года назад
@@FromNothing only one that mattered
@FromNothing
@FromNothing 3 года назад
@@jaybeeeasy ok
@IAMKINGSOSA
@IAMKINGSOSA 3 года назад
Great video brotha
@ballenboy
@ballenboy 3 месяца назад
One thing that differs is we have the words of philosophers and kings from hundreds of years before year 0 in Europe, India and East-asia. Where are the historical records pre-islamic slave-trade (700) or European contact (1400) of sub-saharan africa?
@co-bruh1423
@co-bruh1423 3 года назад
Africa wasn't even "behind", it just developed differently.
@sweetkwaku123
@sweetkwaku123 3 года назад
@Andree De haan that’s not what he’s saying though
@cavaugnsharkey2699
@cavaugnsharkey2699 3 года назад
@Andree De haan that wasn't what he was saying
@cavaugnsharkey2699
@cavaugnsharkey2699 3 года назад
@Andree De haan but you can't say Europe was more developed than Africa and vice-versa when considering what we mean about development and the time period.
@YaBoiDREX
@YaBoiDREX 3 года назад
@Andree De haan Depends on the technology/time period you’re speaking about. Development isn’t a linear thing.
@YaBoiDREX
@YaBoiDREX 3 года назад
@Andree De haan If it was linear than all civilizations would look and function the same. They obviously don’t because there are millions of factors that go into a civilization’s development thus making it non-linear.
@EPUEPUEPUEPU
@EPUEPUEPUEPU 3 года назад
Reminds me of guns germs and steel. Basically trade and war helps create growth and Europe and Asia were experiencing this on a larger scale than subsaharan Africa. On top of Africa being the second largest continent. Whats funny is that this technological growth is now the cause of Asia and Europes population decline while Africa is about to have a population explosion.
@f1i273
@f1i273 3 года назад
Guns germs and steel has been debunked multiple times it’s a scam book
@EPUEPUEPUEPU
@EPUEPUEPUEPU 3 года назад
@@f1i273 No it hasnt without the silk road and trade and war between euroasia there would be no Europe.
@thatangrywickedtardigrade.39
@thatangrywickedtardigrade.39 3 года назад
@@f1i273 it has never been debunked while your opinion is just Propaganda. besides what made the Europe so powerful is the combination of Asia trade and war. what E Pluribus Unum forgot one key aspect is the Europe without Asia War and Trade there would still be Europe but would be either like central or southern africa in terms of development at best but with poor resources.
@thatangrywickedtardigrade.39
@thatangrywickedtardigrade.39 3 года назад
@@EPUEPUEPUEPU do not forget that African students are learning in European and American colleges and universities and bring their knowledge back to Africa meaning that some African Countries will become major world powers. besides African Population will grow till early 2100s but thein it will either stabilize or decline like in the rest of the world but by then Nigeria will become a Major Economic Power rivaling US India and China the second Richest African Countries might be either Ethiopia or DR Congo.
@malahamavet
@malahamavet 3 года назад
your point that the Homo Sapiens already had what he needed to survive and the changes came when he faced adversity in the more hostile lands makes a lot of sense because now that I think about it, almost everything in Europe has it's origins in basic things like the need of warmth to survive, so thicker walls on buildings, huge scary creatures, finding a way to deal with them e.t.c. also I think many things could have been discovered by accident or trial and error and luck also played a little part, or that's what I assume
@BloodHawk31
@BloodHawk31 Год назад
I am South African, I am very curious as to why the Southern African people are so far behind technology, not just to Europeans, but also Northern and mid African countries. Is it like a culture that is just not innovative? There are studies showing average IQ's, Asians have some of the highest where African people have some of the lowest, I do not stereotype, but growing up here it is sometimes hard to find smart individuals to lead a team, which makes me think, maybe Africa was left with the runt of the individuals who left the continent. It is just hard to understand why most civilizations built castles and ships with canons when Southern African tribes were still in loin cloths living in huts and fighting with spears and leather shields, how can a civilization be stagnent like that. I see thos same lack of drive in the work place today, some people are wanting to create while others just want to sit and demand gratification (tribute) because of their position, because of their culture.
@petergriffin3723
@petergriffin3723 3 года назад
Why is this so hard for people to understand the conditions on the African continent?
@kemitamenophis3221
@kemitamenophis3221 Год назад
Very good insight. But I have to add an often overlooked factor for Africa being "behind". It has to do with the evolution of trade networks. Once the Europeans figured out to circumnavigate the globe, this also greatly reduced The TransSaharan trade network that have caused the richest West African empires to flourish. The Arab world were part of the middle men and their trade was also greatly reduced. A lot of this falling behind and economic isolation was rooted in the advent of the colonial era.
@lamebubblesflysohigh
@lamebubblesflysohigh 8 месяцев назад
There are 2 big reasons or better say big inventions that prevented sub-saharan Africa to create large empires and thus uniform advance culture and wit hit technological advancement. The wheel and domestication of horse. Horse riding cuts travel from points A to B from weeks to days which means much faster spread of ideas, wheel enables carts which with combination with a horse means faster movement of goods and thus incentive to travel and spread ideas.
@FromNothing
@FromNothing 8 месяцев назад
Africans north of the forest zone did have horses. Even some in the forest zone did like the Benin kingdom. This region was also host to Africa's largest empires.
@lamebubblesflysohigh
@lamebubblesflysohigh 8 месяцев назад
@@FromNothing that only proves my point. Horse domestication is crucial thing that most of Africa lacked.
@truth884
@truth884 2 года назад
I definitely agree with everything you presented. It’s the sharing or not sharing of ideas that contributes to the development the continent. I’m still on the fence about the shape of the land mass being a barrier to innovation on the continent.
@situationsixtynine8743
@situationsixtynine8743 2 года назад
Lack of trade routes and the northern part of the continent turning in to desert creating a barrier between civilizations.
@savannahcatgiannis
@savannahcatgiannis 3 года назад
you need to feature your cat in more videos
@dbmac90able
@dbmac90able 3 года назад
EUROPEAN PROPAGANDA..
@FromNothing
@FromNothing 3 года назад
Except I'm black and I don't live in Europe... Also based on your comment I'll assume you didn't even watch the video.
@itsbeyondme5560
@itsbeyondme5560 3 года назад
@@Kemetyu-Centered36 Just shut up
@thatangrywickedtardigrade.39
@thatangrywickedtardigrade.39 3 года назад
@@Kemetyu-Centered36 your opinion is totally irrelevant so please shut up and lay down your drugs man.
@croixfadas
@croixfadas 2 года назад
@@FromNothing You have been educated by european, normaly you do good videos but this one is trash, when there is so much knowledge out there, this is a dispointment.
@djbioman4898
@djbioman4898 3 года назад
Guns, Germs and Steel. You should probably acknowledge Diamond for a lot of this video, given that it's essentially a summary of one of the books chapters. There is no link to your website to check your sources, so perhaps you have but I can't tell. All that is linked are things ways to give you money.
@YaBoiDREX
@YaBoiDREX 3 года назад
The website is literally the first thing on his linktree.
@djbioman4898
@djbioman4898 3 года назад
@@YaBoiDREX in the description there's no link. I also looked at the website, but the sources for the video aren't up yet.
@YaBoiDREX
@YaBoiDREX 3 года назад
@@djbioman4898 the link is the last sentence in the description
@djbioman4898
@djbioman4898 3 года назад
@@YaBoiDREX regardless he says at the start that this video is his own thoughts. Then goes on to outline a summary of Guns, Germs and Steel by Jarrod Diamond. In some places that's considered plagiarism. Hence why I said he SHOULD give a reference.
@YaBoiDREX
@YaBoiDREX 3 года назад
@@djbioman4898 Jared Diamond didn’t invent this argument dude.
@ashori100
@ashori100 3 года назад
Interesting video an I agree for the most part with the exception of the animals fueling innovation thing Africa is one the only places that still has mega fauna this isn't because africans couldn't kill them it's because these animals are very good at dealing with humans (they evolved alongside us and had a chance to adapt to human tactics) also i believe that the current climate of africa isn't conducive to large empire building. If the sahara was still a grassland i could easily see it becoming part of vast empires from the Atlantic to the red sea and Mediterranean but it only got worse for us as europes climate got better (less ice). Africas just an incredibly difficult place to live when you dont have modern technology just like Australia or Antarctica
@theafricantriforce8878
@theafricantriforce8878 3 года назад
I agree with most things you said, except for the wheel part. I mean, not even ancient mesoamerican civilizations had the wheel and they outperformed even some of the most advanced ancient civilizations. Also, if I had to add one thing to your video. I would add the topic of complacency! Many of the African empires, specifically in west Africa was a little to complacent with what they had. For instance, the mali empire, with all of their wealth and resources, could have easily sent some of their representatives to the swahili coast early on (before the time of mansa musa) to learn how to construct more efficient sea vessels. Not only that, but it would have created more alternate trade routes with south African kingdoms like the kongo, and great zimbabwe (and obviously the swahili coast). They would also gain goods from the Indian Ocean. Not only that, but other west African kingdoms would have benefited from Mali's exploits if it were to happen. The benin kingdom specifically. Compared to most west, east and south African civilizations, the benin kingdom was probably the most urbanized and technologically advanced, even somewhat compared to Europe! At least before the ashanti empire came along later down the line. Also the benin kingdom, was one of the first African civilizations to attempt to make guns locally. So to sum it all up. Complacency is humankind's worst enemy! If the mali empire (or songhai empire if you prefer them, I just like the mali empire more)didn't fall so early on, it could have used its vast wealth to set up alternate trade routes and business ventures throughout Africa! Which In turn would have created one of the world's largest intercontinental trade networks!Which would have helped more with the spread of ideas in Africa! This is just my opinion though, so please don't take it to heart.
@admirekashiri9879
@admirekashiri9879 3 года назад
Yep they got too comfortable that was the issue they should have had cultures of continuous improvement and continous growth.
@scorchinggoat9589
@scorchinggoat9589 3 года назад
ancient Mesoamerica did have the wheel and used it for children's toys but it is simply useless without livestock to use it for ploughing
@chamilitary07
@chamilitary07 3 года назад
Great video man. If you look at the facts African has the ability to become the richest continent in the world. Corruption is standing in its way. People forget how Gaddafi wanted the entire African region to sell their oil for gold. If that occurred the continent's economy will be far advanced but America hated that idea. So they took him out.
@AdamBetweentheLines
@AdamBetweentheLines 6 месяцев назад
Also there is no “forward” and “behind” as there is no single human culture. We are a different lot, with different priorities.
@FromNothing
@FromNothing 6 месяцев назад
That's why I put the word behind in quotes.
@AdamBetweentheLines
@AdamBetweentheLines 6 месяцев назад
@@FromNothing you my friend is great. Just binging your videos.
@blastgamers8129
@blastgamers8129 3 года назад
I would say that one of the main factors is climate. Whereas Euroasia is lateral and you vast stretches of land sharing a similar climate, in Africa you have a more tattered climate pattern. In Euroasia, what 2 areas had the highest level of development? China and Western Europe. Both of these areas being large stretches of land with a mostly similar climate. Cultures from around climate zones. How did the roman empire end (Medittrainian-temperate)? By invasion from the German tribes (Colder temperate).
@grantrizmo2002cb
@grantrizmo2002cb 6 месяцев назад
Thank you for acknowledging "sub saharan" Africa. I hate when ppl claim Africa as a whole to use their advancements in history. They are different ppl.
@AZyzk
@AZyzk 3 года назад
Very interesting!
@thefrenchkiwi9435
@thefrenchkiwi9435 3 года назад
6:53 That's a very interesting theory. I'm no scientist but I think what you brought up should be worth consideration. I don't know if any studies have been done on it. Humans being forced towards rivers by unwelcoming elements and forming civilisations from that has been something I have been theorizing myself however.
@matthewmann8969
@matthewmann8969 3 года назад
Lacking in some aspects yeah but still not off the base completely
@CrowdPleeza
@CrowdPleeza 2 года назад
How much has over regulation and red tape played in stagnating African economic development? "IT TAKES on average 4.3 days to satisfy the regulatory requirements to start a business in North America, according to the World Bank. In Africa, it takes 69.5 days." "It’s no economic secret that lumbering bureaucracies undercut productivity, encourage commerce outside the formal sector and fuel corruption, but Africa has been slower than other parts of the world in recognising this. Now that’s starting to change. More and more countries on the continent are beginning to streamline their regulatory regimes to jumpstart their economies. The new government in Kenya has begun moving towards a single business permit. Uganda recently launched a pilot streamlined trade-licensing system..." Freeing Business From A Tangle of Red Tape-SAiiA
@QuakerMC
@QuakerMC 3 года назад
I think east Africa's environment being what we evolved in might have influenced how quickly agriculture emerged there (if hunting and gathering are going just fine, people tend to not invest much time into farming), but it's hard to say that with certainty because those environments have changed over the hundreds of thousands of years that we've existed. I don't think that impacted technological development though. The lands surrounding the Fertile Crescent were mostly pretty habitable, just not as... well fertile. Few places on the planet were as ideal for farming. This habitability theory also doesn't seem to account for places like the Yucatan peninsula or early civilization in China. Plus, I think people encounter a lot of the same difficulties once they start building cities. I think the core barriers were, as you said, the geographic diversity and difficulty in trading with Eurasia.
@Queque2524
@Queque2524 3 года назад
If zebras or African Elephants were easy to domesticate as the Eurasian counterparts Africa would have likely looked differently. When everything has to be done by manpower it is hard to build an empire.
@Theodorebenevolent
@Theodorebenevolent 3 года назад
Sounds like you’ve been reading Prisoners of Geography by Tim Marshall. Marshall theorizes that Africa is so “under-developed” due to its topography and geography.
@bigfan2452
@bigfan2452 3 года назад
Yep and I totally disagree with him. Africa had complex civilizations and was technologically progressed.
@Theodorebenevolent
@Theodorebenevolent 3 года назад
@@bigfan2452 perhaps Africa north of the Sahara, yes, as they had been trading with the Middle East, Asia, and Europe for millennia. But subsaharan Africa was and still is significantly less technologically advanced than most of the rest of the world.
@bigfan2452
@bigfan2452 3 года назад
@@Theodorebenevolent Sub-Saharan Africa includes regions such as Ethiopia, Zimbabwe, West African kingdoms like the Ghana Empire, Santo empire among many other areas.
@Cybernaut551
@Cybernaut551 2 года назад
The Sahara needs better transportation and more hospitable climate.
@xman69100
@xman69100 3 года назад
Taco people all the time it's all about geography Africa had so many natural barriers it's crazy
@anneeq008
@anneeq008 Год назад
Not that I'm trying to insult Africans but the question stands then... If hostile conditions promote innovation why weren't the Saharans the most innovative?
@willfakaroni5808
@willfakaroni5808 Год назад
Because humans evolve for that enviroment, they just aren't that hard for people that live their
@iburuma3621
@iburuma3621 Год назад
They were. The Sahel region, at least, which is right below the Sahara. This is where the pottery from 9,400 BC was found. The general location of Nigeria is where the greatest population of Africans has always been. The actual Sahara isn't just hostile, it's borderline uninhabitable without a godsend like the Nile to support life and trade, which is why the Nile ended up being the most advanced.
@ashleycreps9282
@ashleycreps9282 2 года назад
Dunno who this metatron is that sent folks, but thanks for this geopolitical explanation of Africa's circumstances.
@vernonrobinson1685
@vernonrobinson1685 2 года назад
I see Thomas Sowell influence on this video. I think the mistake is to view Africa as a monolithic continent for the aforementioned geographic reasons.
@topcesc
@topcesc 2 года назад
This theory is straight out of the colonial book. I was directed to this channel bc I like African history and quickly subbed after watching a vid or two but this one changed my mind. The premise of Africa having been "behind" throughout history is frankly shocking coming from a channel that supposedly exists to create content on African history. And the colonial trope of Africans as complacent and isolated, provided as an explanation to this supposed premise, is ehrm, well, slightly antiquated, let's put it at that.
@adamnesico
@adamnesico 2 года назад
That Africa wasnt behind? Dont start with communist dogmas, all human cultures arent equal and geography plays a strong part. Parts of Africa were certainly matched in tech, the ones better comunicated with Eurasia, but the ones who werent...
@hermitcard4494
@hermitcard4494 3 года назад
What I want in entertainment: Show me new cultures, show me ORIGINAL African history, lore, myths, legends, tales. What progressive entertainment gives me: we're gonna shoehorn Africans as European monarchs and historical characters👎
@SAOS451316
@SAOS451316 3 года назад
if history happened ten thousand years earlier (or if panama never formed) the sahara would be much more easily navigable and europe would be coming out of the last ice age.
@erikthomsen4768
@erikthomsen4768 3 года назад
I’m actually working on a similar premise. What if the African Humid Period restarted 2000+ years ago. It basically revolves around West African Monsoon turning the Sahara into a savanna like the Sahel region. Kingdoms like Garamantes and Nubia will have to put up one hell of a fight since Rome is within matching range. While the numerous nomadic tribes will become the arbitrators trade and war.
@aaa1e2r3
@aaa1e2r3 3 года назад
You should check the book Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond, the guy goes into a lot of the arguments you discussed here.
@ChinaAikikai
@ChinaAikikai 8 месяцев назад
Dr Thomas Sowell has relevant discussions on this: geography, including availability of navigable rivers, and other environmental issues shape culture. We’re all human. Not on color coded sports teams.
@some1350
@some1350 3 года назад
I don't know I thought Africa really started to get behind in the 17th century. It seems up until that point in some ways Africa was just as advanced or more advanced in some areas to other continents. From what I understand you seem to be saying that it has always been behind because there were 'pockets' of innovation and not universal. That seems strange to me, there have been alot of empires and kingdoms and these are 'pockets'? Africa is bigger than Europe. Have all parts of Europe always been as advanced as other parts? So Rome was more advanced than Gaul, Brittania and Germania. So Rome was a 'pocket of innovation? Also I think you might be exaggerating the contribution that Rome has made to Europe. I'm not sure about other countries but I know that English is a Germanic language not Romance. English laws are not based on Roman laws. Anglo-saxon literature is not based on Roman literature etc. When the Anglo-saxons started creating what would be England a lot of Roman infrastructure had fallen into disrepair basically the Romans had left Britain and left the Celts to their own devices. Furthermore you're comparison isn't even fair. Imagine this premise lets compare the achievements of superteams, lets compare the X-men to other superteams but were gonna get the achievements of the Avengers and the Fantastic Four combined and then compare that with the X-men and then say the X-men are behind. Jubari you got me triggered, I'm not feeling you on this.
@daron6616
@daron6616 2 года назад
I’m thinking the Nsibidi of the Igbo people of what is now SE Nigeria system may have had an influence over the Black American art of embroidering encoded messages in the quilts they made. This makes sense since many Igbo captives were taken to the 13 colonies ( what is now USA).
@SsebutikoArnold
@SsebutikoArnold 2 года назад
At 3:33 - The Kingdom name is spelt "Bunyoro" not "Bonyoro" However, it is also referred to as Bunyoro Kitara Kingdom
@br1qbat
@br1qbat 3 года назад
Well put. Some of the goalposts for "advanced" cultures in antiquity tend to prioritize architecture and especially weaponry. Example, Aztec was certainly "behind" Europe weapon-wise during the age of discovery, and never even adopted the wheel, yet were lightyears ahead of europe in terms of sanitation and city planning, boasting one of the largest urban areas in the world which was far from the disease ridden literal shit hole that european cities were for centuries to come.
@kafenwar
@kafenwar 3 года назад
I think the Aztecs had knowledge of the wheel. It was definitely the Incas who knew nothing of it (and yet built Macchu Picchu).
@tauempire1793
@tauempire1793 3 года назад
@@kafenwar actually no thr Inca made the wheel though it was only for toys the Aztecs didn't know it though at all as they had no true need for it
@kafenwar
@kafenwar 3 года назад
@@tauempire1793 But Aztecs did create artifacts utilizing a wheel-like design.
@FromNothing
@FromNothing 3 года назад
@Tau Empire yeah you got it backwards. It was the Aztec who made wheel toys, not the Inca.
@shawnfrancisco7137
@shawnfrancisco7137 Год назад
They literally sacrificed/murdered millions of their own people every year. But hey, Europe was the shithole.
@mrbuisnessdziffko5229
@mrbuisnessdziffko5229 3 года назад
This channel was recommended by Metatron, and I can see why. Subbed, I really enjoyed this video and will be binging the rest of your stuff for the next couple of days. I know a little about the parts of Africa that were connected to Eurasia, and always used that when i was pulled into a "debate" with Afrocentrists, but now I will be directing them to your channel. How can people believe in conspiracies when real history is so much more interesting and rich?
@Snotbug
@Snotbug Месяц назад
According to this theory. People adapted and developed according to their environment. Then why in the hell hasn’t Africa mastered irrigation and agriculture. Mass production of meat products and maintained roadways for travel. It’s still like traveling in the 1100s in most of the continent with sparse infrastructure.
@captainconundrum8463
@captainconundrum8463 3 года назад
Lots of good points! I have two things to add. I know a lot less about Asian history which is why my focus here is on Europe and it's geography. One explanation I've seen for Europe's success in particular points to the enormous amount of coastline that they have. Coastline notoriously can't be measured without caveats, but it isn't controversial to say that any random spot in Europe is likely to be much closer to a port than a random place in Africa. Another geographic difference is down to size. Africa is about three times the size of Europe, which itself is only about as big as the Sahara. It might seem like more land area is a benefit, but in the long term what this means is that populations don't need to be as dense as they historically were in Europe. Those repeated migrations from the Eurasian steppe also contributed to masses of people packed in a lot more tightly than in Africa, which largely had the luxury of remaining more rural. When we DO see large movements in Africa, we can observe the same economic and civic development as in Europe. The rapid desertification of the Sahara seems to have forced whole populations to move to the Nile, leading to the rise of civilization there. Something similar happened on the other side of the Sahara around the same time, with the Bantu people moving down through Africa. We see evidence of rapid cultural changes during the Bantu Expansion, but they had so much fertile land to move into that they weren't forced to live in large cities as in Egypt.
@skellagyook
@skellagyook 3 года назад
I wouldn't say that Africans faced fewer environmental challenges than Eurasians. Both Africa and Eurasia are extremely climatologically diverse, and Africa also contains many harsh environments, such as deserts, savannas that are dry for half the year (over a lot of sub-Saharan Africa), seasonally dry forests, and tropical forests that have their own challenges, all of which require human innovations to survive (which Africans did come up with). Africa is by no means easy. But the other explanations in the video do mostly make sense (much of the same/many of them would also appy to the native cultures of the Americas).
@introspectiver1787
@introspectiver1787 3 года назад
Thing is though, on the whole Africa (because of it's size) was suitable for humans. One didn't have to challenge the desert because the savanna land was on average always suitable. And the savanna dry season was stable and you always knew when it would come so that wasn't a problem. Furthermore, because of these things people didn't really have an incentive to stick together. If clans quarreled they could always move elsewhere.
@skellagyook
@skellagyook 3 года назад
@@introspectiver1787 What you decribe also applied to Eurasia for much of history: winter is predictable too (both dry seasons amd winters must be prepared for and require innovation and cooperation), and Eurasia too has its hot zones. In Eurasia, clans, tribes, and other subgroups could also move elsewhere for much if its history (especially its early history, which was mainly what was being referred to) - but, as in Africa, there was often the chance of encroaching onto land inhabited by others (which could be dealt with in various ways).
@introspectiver1787
@introspectiver1787 3 года назад
@@skellagyook Not really. The dry season in Africa coincides with the (is the) harvesting season for many areas. You literally just have to wait for your crops to fully mature. You can also still plant (certain plants do not require as much water) esp if you are in the tropics or near a river (where the dry season is so mild that you still see greenery everywhere). Because of the rainy season often you'll have a surplus and can store it without much worry. If push comes to shove you can also still relatively easily fish, or hunt. You can't grow crops in winter, and hunting and fishing are more difficult in winter. As for hotspots. Eurasia's main hotspot (the Steepes) are nothing like what goes on in Africa (the desert is dry and cold and lacks the moisture that circulates even in African hotspots barring the Kalahari and Sahara). The Arabian peninsula is almost an extension of the Sahara (hence why it was sparsely populated until recently) and other areas of the Middle East have the advantage of the Mediterranean currents and the major rivers like the Tigris. Even then the land remains fairly flat and even and similar in temperature compared with Africa. Clans could move yes but for the Middle East and India the areas where one could thrive as a large group were limited and this incentivised groups to form around those areas (like major rivers) which was why they did. In Africa, because its so large you can go anywhere and you will find more areas that are relatively comfortable to live in. As for neighbours, because competition isn't as strong, fighting isn't as strong either and many groups adopted an almost "we ignore them they ignore us" policy. Most conflicts arose really only when pastoralists met agriculturalists (in the East-Africa) and many groups solved this by essentially marrying into each other and adopting both.
@skellagyook
@skellagyook 3 года назад
@@introspectiver1787 In many areas the dry season lasts several months and crop storage is needed to prepare for it (crops from the previous season must be stored in grannaries, which is a common traditional practice in many West African cultures). In temperate zones, crops were stored in preparation for winter. Normally the harvest season comes before the dry season (I am mainly thinking of the savanna and savanna-bordering forest/woodland savanna regions of West Africa). One could say that Winter also coincides with the harvest season (i.e. Autumn, which precedes it). Regarding migration, I was referring mainly to Eurasia's early history (the video was referring to prehistory and early history) during which Eurasia was also inhabited mainly by tribal groups. It is true that (though far from all) of the Near East and India was significantly more densely populated after the Neolithic (though not necessarily before), but that was not the case for most of Europe and much of central Asia and East Asia (perhaps outside of nascent population centers along certain rivers in China) in their early historird. Some centers of relative population density, often near rivers and Lakes, existed in Africa as well (though thise kinds of navigable waterways were rarer and generally shorter in Africa than in Eurasia), such as near the Niger, Bani, and Benue Rivers in West Africa, the Limpopo Southern Africa, the Great Lakes in/near Uganda/Rwanda, some areas near Lake Chad, and certain parts of Nigeria, those being among the places in Africa where more advanced societies developed.). When I said hot zones, I was refering to temperature. Substantial regions of Eurasia such as the Near East, South Asia, and Southeast Asia are warm/hot (some being moist), as is much of southern Europe (to a lesser extent). The Eurasian steppe (in Central Asia-Eastern Europe is more temperate to cold. Even in the moist regions of Africa (like the grester Congo) there were challenges to survival, deadly animals and diseases being among them (and large dangerous animals were present in Africa), to which local peoples had to adapt. I do not think it can really be said that Africa was "easier" than Eurasia (too great a diversity of environments and cultures existed in both). It seems to simplistic. The Americas had many cold and temperate regions as well and also could be said to have "lagged behind" Eurasia (for some reasons comparable to Africa in certain periods). The most advanced civilizations in the Americas tended to bein warner areas (with one exception being Andean cultures). In Eurasia, advanced cultures developed in the warm river valleys of the Near East and India.
@introspectiver1787
@introspectiver1787 3 года назад
@@skellagyook Someone also raised an interesting point. Part of the reason why we don't see too many African civilisations around rivers either may be because of Nile crocodiles and hippos (both highly dangerous and aggressive). West african crocs are smaller and less aggressive, which may account for why they are seen more positively in West Africa and why the rivers there are more navigable.
@angrygnome4304
@angrygnome4304 3 года назад
The answer is always Trade. No civilization thrives in isolation.
@TheFenixFallen
@TheFenixFallen 3 года назад
If only Africa had more time, things might had been different.
@scorchinggoat9589
@scorchinggoat9589 3 года назад
same with the Americas
@TheFenixFallen
@TheFenixFallen 3 года назад
@Andree De haan I know, I sometimes wonder what would happen if these kingdoms, empires or civilizations emerges much earlier, it probably be similar to the Americas, Pre-Columbian Civilizations.
@TheFenixFallen
@TheFenixFallen 3 года назад
@@scorchinggoat9589 Right
@TheFenixFallen
@TheFenixFallen 3 года назад
@Andree De haan Yeah that true
@TheFenixFallen
@TheFenixFallen 3 года назад
But in spite of that, they still created some interesting architectures and cities like Teotihuacan and Tenochtitlan, imagine if the ancient Yoruba city of Ife or Edo (Capital city of the Benin Empire) last longer then they did. They might had built something just as interesting and impressive as the Benin Bronzes or Yoruba Sculptures. Ghana Empire and even the Gao Empire has some stone structures with Sahelian architectures. I don't think every civilization have to be recognize for their architecture or city but for me I always wonder what these kingdoms would had made with some more time.
@quietstorm1291
@quietstorm1291 3 года назад
To sum up your presentation: "Necessity is the mother of invention." However, the arch of African civilization -- pre-dating Eurasia by millions of years -- can not be nor should be reduced because of lack of historical data. And if comparing the continuous war-machine developed by Europe & their rampant destruction of our environment, I would be vastly more discriminating on what is deemed a more advanced society.
@fetusbuddha3908
@fetusbuddha3908 3 года назад
cant have no data if nobody is gathering it!!!!
@enemyoftherepublic777
@enemyoftherepublic777 3 года назад
“Millions of years.” More like thousands since humans didn’t exist millions of years ago. We’ve really only been around for about 200,000 years.
@tauempire1793
@tauempire1793 3 года назад
I mean depends upon your term of advancd there are many apsects within Africa we dislike and as Eurasia Africa was not perfect or a paradise in itself and there is evidence for it
@Kannot2023
@Kannot2023 3 года назад
Jared Diamond had a similar theory in his book Gun,germs and steel
@als3022
@als3022 3 года назад
Geography plays a big part in the development of civilizations, cultures, etc. Something we don't read about too often. And while there is an X factor (Random cultural traits that have no real predictable model or historic individuals that come out to change things) Those are minor in the long term. One thing that was left out of here, and it is true of the Americas too is beasts of burden. Africa lacks native animals that can be domesticated. Now can you "tame" African animals. Why yes, you can. But, there aren't many animals that can be domesticated. Especially beasts of burden. If I remember most domestic animals that humans have trained are from a very limited number of ancient animals and those animals are in a very small region of the earth. Not having a reliable native beast of burden population limits a civilizations abilities. Being completely or mostly dependent on human muscle before machinery is a problem.
@buddermonger2000
@buddermonger2000 3 года назад
I think it's important to speak about the fact that Africa is the human birthplace as it is only recently where in Africa there was an ability to predate on the megafauna there, but as humans faced megafauna in other regions they wiped them out. This being important as the African megafauna probably had some small role in keeping the African civilizations overall small as well.
@mikebbarclay4984
@mikebbarclay4984 3 года назад
Civilization did not start in mesopotamia. So people left from the Nile their homeland which they lived for over two hundred thousand years then went to the Euphrates and tigres rivers started civilization then brought it back to the Nile. I think its the other way round. That argument only supports and Indo-european notion.
@mcamara488
@mcamara488 3 года назад
Keep dreaming 🍼....
@mikebbarclay4984
@mikebbarclay4984 3 года назад
@@mcamara488 Nabta Playa
@samkelombambo2610
@samkelombambo2610 2 года назад
It should be also noted that the Bantu were nomadic people, I selected this African group because they are predominant in Sub Saharan Africa and from my opinion they weren't that technologically advance so my point is great civilisation can be formed if people stay longer in a certain area given that the environmental conditions favour them for instance the West African Kingdoms and empires, Nile valley civilisations ,the people who founded these civilisations were in that region for longer periods unlike a person who moves a lot with their livestock to find fertile land ,great rivers and lakes basically sufficient running water to form civilisation, favourable temperatures etc.
@cavaugnsharkey2699
@cavaugnsharkey2699 2 года назад
Bantu is a language from which many ethnic groups speak. Not all of those groups were nomadic either. In fact, they established some of the most powerful and centralized kingdoms in Africa such as the Kongo and Great Zimbabwe.
@feliciabrown7131
@feliciabrown7131 3 года назад
Great video! Very informative as always. Thank you my Brother. Peace and blessings.
@UnDark1
@UnDark1 2 года назад
People always assume it’s easy to live in Africa. If it was that easy, humans would have stayed in Africa. I’d rather deal with desert and the cold than deal with bugs and large animals that can kill me at any second. FYI, I am African from Africa but live in the US.
@hamznasr1806
@hamznasr1806 Месяц назад
As they say Geography is the mother of all sciences.
@kentchamberlain5720
@kentchamberlain5720 Год назад
Solid video and I agree with your conclusions. I would add on to them, however. If we're looking at geographic explanations for relative GDP by continent, I would say that Africa has a much less stable climate in much of its territory than the other inhabited continents. The Sahara kept growing and displacing agriculturalists until modern times, and it's only this generation trying to do something about it. Even so, that whole Sahel region is given to conflict because of the varying weather patterns that sometimes favor farmers and sometimes favor herders. Therefore the farmers and herders are fighting over the same land and you get Darfur. IMHO African civilizations have had to struggle against their environment a LOT harder than everyone else. That put them slightly behind when the Europeans showed up. That slight backwardness was leveraged through the sale of guns and the expanding slave trade into extreme backwardness as an urban and literate society like Songhai was ripped apart to harvest slaves for Europe. It's right to look for ultimate causes in geography. Human nature is what it is, and will exploit any advantage against others. But geography hands out those first advantages.
@kurtfox4944
@kurtfox4944 Год назад
Two more reasons: (1) One of the biggest would also be diseases. Tropical diseases would also discourage outsiders from venturing inland. Africans may have had a natural immunity that would cause Europeans not to survive. Hard to trade ideas if you are dead. (2) Language. Without a unified language, such as Latin, to transfer ideas, especially far inland, it would have to traverse perhaps dozens of languages. Finding a guide to know all of these would be nearly impossible, and thus transfer of knowledge would be as slow as that of the travel itself.
@CrowdPleeza
@CrowdPleeza 3 года назад
As far as isolation shaping development. What was different about the Americas? You had Native Americans who developed complex civilizations while being isolated. The Maya,Aztecs,Inca and the people of Teotihuacan built civilizations while also in isolation from outside ideas. So what made their development different from African development?
@FromNothing
@FromNothing 3 года назад
Well firstly, "The Americas" is two entire continents, compared to just one, Africa. Secondly, Africa too had complex civilizations like the Americas. However, what both Africa and the Americas have in common is that these complex civilizations were relatively isolated and less widespread. Europe and Asia as a whole shared many of the same developments and cultural practices while Africa and the Americas' complex civilizations remained relatively confined to certain regions.
@CrowdPleeza
@CrowdPleeza 3 года назад
@@FromNothing One thing I've pointed out is that sub-Saharan Africa seems to have less history to many because their history is less visible. Since not many sub-Saharan Africans built ancient structures that are still visible and didn't leave many written records this I think makes their history less visible. That's different in comparison to those Native Americans I mentioned. People know the Maya and Inca have a history based on their ancient structures and writing which are still visible. I think the reason ancient peoples built structures seems to have been for either religious or security reasons. Maybe not many sub-Saharan Africans had any particular religious or security reasons to build many structures? Mayan and Egyptian pyramids were built for spiritual reasons. Machu Picchu and China's Great Wall were built for security reasons.
@sasukeuchiha4814
@sasukeuchiha4814 2 года назад
@Lite-Wing Gift and native American natives had an environment that was manageable. I don’t rlly understand what the comparison is for
@sasukeuchiha4814
@sasukeuchiha4814 2 года назад
@@FromNothing I genuinely feel like we had multiple languages and writing systems. Like they say “history starts with writing meaning history starts with Europeans” bs if u ask me
@hisheighnessthesupremebeing
@hisheighnessthesupremebeing 8 месяцев назад
So why did the European's invent/use the wheel? They had horses, cattle and african slaves so by your logic there would be no reason to develop the wheel
@FromNothing
@FromNothing 8 месяцев назад
I recommend you watch my video called: "Why Africans Never Invented the Wheel."
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc
@Oppetsismiimsitsitc 3 года назад
Yup, Isolation. Hence why the regions of Africa that weren't isolated weren't "behind."
@ikengaspirit3063
@ikengaspirit3063 3 года назад
I'll personally add population density and level of interconnectivity to that. Like look at the places that made most of the inventions. It isn't The Iranian Plateau or the Steppe, it is Iraq, India, China etc. Areas with high population density covering a relatively large area without break ups in the geography. A lot of minds thinking and the solution that person A thinks up passes to person B without times the population density.
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