haha looks fun. Great videos you have mate. I spent all morning watching them. We use to own an Oliver 1650. It was before my times but it was my grandfathers main tractor before we changed over to deeres. The owners of it are just up the road from us so I wouldn't mind buying it back one day and restoring it. Greetings from Australia!
Thank you so much for the vids. I find them both entertaining and helpful. I am rebuildinga 70 JD-110, and although it does not compare with your big JDs, it is still a task that has to be done. The JD is theworkhorse on a 7+ acre farm and is joined by a 50 Farmall Cub that does the cultivation and side-dressing. THen of course, Miss Sandra and I do all the cropping, canning and clean-up!
Alot of variables on how a tractor pulls. You can take two identical tractors and make one out pull the other just by adding ballast to one. Different size tires too can make a difference. All depends on how the tractor is set up.
how could anyone think this is fair pull 70 horsepower compared to 140 0r so. the weight difference should have the John deere completely ruled over Oliver. but these seem fairly equal. I owned 1 of each and never would've thought oliver would pull John Deere.
Dave Kory In real life, both tractors would have just dug up a hole right then and there. When they pulled eachother, the wheels werent spinning forward, pointed to them pushing in the clutch when the other one was pulling. IF it was fair, they would pull off the clutch at the same time and not push in the clutch until one was dragged across the field
@thegreenerthemeaner this 5020 is a hot one it was 118 at the drawbar but now it out pulls the 4450 and thats 140 so i think its a bit more than 140 we dont have a dino to test it on so it all guess work.
@possumtail I understand, your are going for era rather than a matchup power wise. There was an Ollie dealer a 1/4 mile from our house in the very early 70s and yes those Detroits would wake up everything, especially when they were dyno testing. I used to be pretty color specific but anymore if it's over 35 years old, I like em all.The good old days. Now it's bleep bleep bling....... color choice sometimes get you a differnet engine!!!
im kinda surpised the oliver held its own. its only about half the hp of the 5020 and weighs less. you want a real challenge hook up to a allis chalmers d-21
ive had a 150 hp oliver with singles out pull a jd 175 with duals and 150 in feild plowed at 7.5 and jd could almost get 3.5 we have a 150 white with abought 19000 hours on it,
@onelonleyfarmer the 531 was indeed a monster and in the 6030/7520 form, my personal favorite of deere engines and the one to beat. The 466 was another but they have limits...ask anybody who turned an 8430/4840 too far. Never heard of a 531 coming apart when turned up within reason; usually about 50 to 70 Hp over the 175 was the best and they could run that way forever.
2000 series MF was their downfall. 3 speed power shift with way too much difference in speeds. Hydraulic hoses running all over the place. I liked 1100 1130 1150 1105. 1135 1155 series much better.
@onelonleyfarmer I believe you already did that or was it not the two halves you wanted to make!! I'll give credit where it is due, he was able to move the 5020 with the brakes on...not bad considering the weight difference. Cost him though. Dyno test on the 5020?
Weight that 50 right and the story changes, that tractor will carry weights that is staggering. Just the inner rear one piece weights are 1100 lbs per side add calcium chloride and 4 bolt ons in each rear wheel and front weight set to calm the bucking then the story changes.
When both tractors are spinning it's wheels then what it comes down to is weight and thread. The tractor with the most grip is winning no matter the Horsepower.
Yea cept there's no such saying. And the 5020 is a damn good tractor. More practical to run then a 4320 4520 and 4620 and more power. Ours is a 1970 listed a 141hp but dynoed at 146.6 and today sits about 150 and its till more economical to run over a 4520 or 4620 and as for the weight goes run super singles or duals and it's fine
That's ridiculous, the 5020 is a heavy dog, no where near the horse for that weight. It isn't anywhere near as efficient or as maneuverable as the turbocharged 43, 45 or 46.
@possumtail I doubt the GM powered tractors will fair any better. #1 weight difference #2 The would repower a 5020 with a 6-71 or 8-53, twice the motor a 4-53 was #3 the 5020 was over built like the rest of the biggest of Deere machines thru the years (D,G,R, 70-720-730, 80-820-830, 5010, etc) they coulod handle lots of power and excessive use, not abuse. I'm not knocking Olivers or Detroits, just don't make that 1755 a space shuttle. Get a 2355 and you'll stand a chance.
you may as well have a four wheel drive truck with axles spinning in oppisite directions cuz thats what happening here.whichever axle has the most weight holding to the ground will pervail.
just a question: are you one of those people that has to be right each and every time? and you say IH and case are crap well what do you drive sir? im driving IH for years now and i never regret it and not you or the entirity of the hole fucking world will convince me that IH or case are bad or unrielible ,or whatever you wanna call it, brands!!!
@dalekrueger I doubt that... of all our tractors, and all the tractors I've seen, an R has always had to be treated like a baby to keep it going. We have an R on my farm and the POS hasn't moved from it's spot in the shed for 30yrs. Between constant issues with the pony and the diesel acting up we gave up on it.
Maybe in fantasy land or in bizarro world that may be the case (no pun intended) but here in reality, on planet earth, that is not even remotely close to the truth. But hey it's your story, you can tell it how ya want! Ha Ha!!! "A lie told often enough becomes the truth." Vladimir Lenin
Why yes I am right 99% of the time! Who in the hell wakes up in the morning with the intentions of being wrong and fucking up everything that came there way? Perfect example! If your allowable standards are sub-par, well then you'd be ok with whatever. On the contrary, if you hold your standards to a tighter tolerance, less room for error because in my world errors are unacceptable, then it carries over into every aspect of everyday life. You're probably way lost now. It's ok, I understand.
