For those wondering: T.J Eckleberg is mentioned only twice in the Great Gatsby. Both times, he appears as an advertisement on a billboard or something similar, massive eyes looking over the city and staring down at it. Watching it all. The correlation between them and Bill is clear.
I don't know really if it's an analogy for bill, since the theme it's often associated with is 'judgement'. It could possibly be an analogy for the fact that bill is not as all powerful as he attempted to appear, himself having to answer to somebody else.
@@agentduck9285 You're looking too deep, we're not in English class right now, you don't need to over analyze to this degree. The *BILL* board has eyes, Bill is literally the all seeing eye, the association being made here is really not that deep
TJ Eckleberg in the story is an Eye Doctor, with his billboard advertising his services. The billboard depicts his big blue eyes, and is pointed out as watching over the city and the characters. The most popular interpretation of this part in the book is that it's symbolic of God looking down and judging the characters and their actions.
the Great Gatsby bit coming back as a pdf of the ENTIRE story just to trick the fans into reading it in full has to be the most hilarious decision ever 😭😭😭
AND THAT SONG CALLED OH GRAVITY BY SWITCHFOOT SAID OH GRAVITY WHY CAN'T WE SEEM TO KEEP IT TOGETHER SONS OF MY ENEMIES WHY CAN'T WE SEEM TO KEEP IT TOGETHER WHY THIS TRAGEDYNWHY CAN'T WE SEEM TO KEEP IT TOGETHER OH GRAVITY WHY CAN'T WE SEEM TO.PULL IT TOGETHET LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA PULL IT TOGETHER
@@spoodyR3she definantly knows. The way she claimed Old Twins might get them a puppy instead of the very heated argument...people forget Mable is as smart as Dipper is she just isn't interested in more techinical things.
Great Gatsby Catcher in the Rye Great Expectations (I think) Those books are proof there has to be a god cause satan clearly does for having kids endure those faiths worst than death
I was so bored with the Great Gatsby, however I am proud for my powerpoint presentation I decided to end it by pointing out that Nick was in love with Gatsby. In front of everybody in my class.
Small personal theory about why the great gatsby was discussed and included so much; it entered the public domain this year and I think Alex thought it would be funny to just abuse the ever loving shit out of that
That's hilarious! I also think many themes in the Great Gatsby tie in pretty closely with Bill's life. Gatsby is a compulsive liar who lied so much he's even started to believe the lies himself. He's charismatic. He came from humble beginnings but has built up a powerful fake identity. He's haunted by the past and is obsessed with achieving his goals. He dies in the end.
@@darlingdesperado so i actually found out something about this but it is very spoiler heavy. But let’s say that bill had a dr likely named tj eckleburg, like the one in the book. There’s some actual reasoning for all the gatsby now.
Yeah, I can never hear the ukulele the same ever again ever since that woman made the apology video with the ukulele. Now anytime I hear the ukulele I envisioned her singing her terrible apology
With how Mat and Steph actually met Alex during Game Theory’s St Jude stream, and how fucking ballistic the Gravity Falls reddit went with how Mat and Alex shake hands, theorizing Mat and Bill struck a deal, for Mat to be in one of the videos on This Is Not A Website is simultaneously poetic, charming, and kinda terrifying if the Reddit was actually right…
Holy Shit having MattPatt become Bill would be such a fucking twist because let’s say if it became cannon that he was possessed by Bill, then we can easily look through all his theories and paint the out as Bill taking over Matt in real life cause Bill is always on his mind- and you can’t kill an idea- ideas are not physical. That would mean in the meta world (our real life world- Matt has been posting theories to throw us off via Bill’s control over his mind) and because ideas are METAphysical & can’t be killed- OH MY GOD WAIT- WAAAAIIIT!!! THAT ADDS EVEN MORE TO MY MATTPATT THEORY CAUSE IF MATT WAS POSSESSED BY BILL SO THAT HE CAN STAY ALIVE! “A NEW FORM, ANOTHER TIME” DOESN’T GUARANTEE MEAN HE WOULD BECOME ANOTHER SHAPE- WHAT IF HE BECOMES HUMAN??!? AKAK MATTPATT HIMSELF??!?? OR ALEX! So many ways to go with this and I love it alllllll!
I love how the Book of Bill single-handedly revived the fandom XD It’s like middle school all over again… Although MatPat saying “we’re on our own” with the ARG was not on my 2024 bingo card-
"You're on your own" Good, he'd probably stretch the mystery out painfully long over a 3 part video and then be hilariously wrong about literally everything when it does get solved by someone much much smarter.
i personally think it wouldve been hilarious if they actually *did* make Soos say "bane of arthropods" in the cipher text just to mess with the people who would make the joke of him speaking in enchantment table it would be a very Alex thing to do
Guess what Cartoonshi, T.J. Eckleburg is not a character in The Great Gatsby. In the book, there’s a giant billboard for an abandoned optometrist’s office (eye doctor) and the doctor is T.J. Eckleburg. The billboard itself is two giant blue eyes looking over the slum of New York. Very symbolic when you apply it to Bill
@@fonejunky6306okay that’s an coincidence but I do feel like bill just liked that idea of the eyes watching everything and thought that was funny to him
Highkey I kind of love the idea of the ultimate punishment for reprehensible beings isn't eternal torture, but no-ways-around-it therapy. That's kind of brilliant. Makes me wonder what other fictional characters would suffer the most by the fate of therapy out of time they can't leave. My bet is The Joker would hate that.
Joker probably would assuming the place itself is inescapable (i.e. making arkham asylum inescapable). Also there is bats who'd be an anchor for him but I dunno
@@sarafontanini7051 Possibly. Might depend on who is deemed eligible for reincarnation. Sounds like the Thera-prism might not have been an option for Bill had he not invoked the Axolotl's name in a last ditch bid to bargain for his life. Makes me imagine some, if not most beings die unless in the Hirsch-verse everyone's final destination is the Thera-prism. Maybe this is just the optimist in me, but I do think that, given infinite time, even the worst people and characters, fictional or real, probably could get better given infinite time and patience and support. If there was truly nothing to do than therapy... I dunno, perhaps even Belos would resign himself since whatever happens after would at least be different than an eternity of being stubborn about doing therapy. Could some people hold out a long, long time? Probably. But for eternity, when the option to leave is available just for getting it over with? I'd like to think Thera-prism would work on most, if not all, people eventually.
In this case it’s less of an ultimate punishment and more the only option for escaping it. As much as it pains him, he doesn’t consider simply going back on the deal to never come back.
Love how this book is essentially bill advertising himself only for the pines family to continually roast him for losing to them and the ending revealing all bills doing is in vein 😂😂😂
i picked such a perfect time to watch Gravity Falls - earlier this year. not long after i watched it, the Book of Bill was released. the book itself revived the fandom, and now the whole cipher hunt 2.0 that's currently happening, too? GF is SO back. i am so glad to be here to experience all this insanity
I know people would take another animated Gravity Falls project any day of the week, but I am more excited about a completely unrelated series from Alex. If Gravity Falls went so well, it can only get better, especially with how Hirsch grows as a writer with each work.
*"Addressing the allegations..."* _Video opens with Bill holding a ukulele_ "This...I never thought I'd have to make this video..." _Starts singing_ "IM SO SORRY FOR TRYING TO END THE WORLLLDDDDD~"
TJ eckleberg is a giant faded poster of eyes over a former optometrist office... It's always watching the valley of ashes ominously like the all seeing eyes... It's terrifying
I would LOVE a spinoff mini series with Stan and Ford! I would also love to see Journal 1 and 2, just like we got Journal 3. I wanna read about the frustrating unicorns lol I honestly just want to see more of, or read more from Ford, since we barely get to see any of him in the show - at least not as much as I would've liked. He's an extremely interesting character, and his time in Gravity Falls is just so intriguing. (I'm currently rereading Journal 3 and I forgot how hilarious this dork can be) Just to get some more insight into his relationship with Fiddleford would be amazing, too! Their dynamic is not explored as much as I'd like, and the little polaroid from the website has left me yearning for more content of them. I just.. give me more of them please..
I remember back when season 1 of Gravity falls ended there was a website kinda like this that updated daily, it has a drawing of Bill on an ancient scroll. Wish I remembered more of it.
1:20 there's literally an episode name in the website I don't think it's too far off for there being a new season. But also I speculate we will get a new entire show set in the same universe
I'm in the middle of a rewatch, just for fun and had no idea any of the rest of this was going on. I thought I was just clicking on a very positive review for The Book of Bill. I'm pleasantly surprised to have gotten so much more out of this video.
I got into Gravity Falls in 2017/2018 after it had already ended, so I’m ecstatic that I finally now have the chance to interact with the community as new content is coming out again!!
Well, while being a fan from day one, who watched it, being around the same age as main characters when the first season came out and now being 24, I would love to see something like "ten years after". Tho tbf even "one year after" would be cool. But no way this could happen, Hirsch clearly has bad rel with Disney and constantly criticizes them
The craziest thing to me is the show is still airing on Disney Channel and XD. Like regularly not even like a 2am type thing, it ended 10 years ago but still airs regularly.
I seriously wasn't expecting ANY Gravity Falls related stuff after the end of the treasure hunt as the creator was clear he wanted the show to have an ending and I love that. Still a movie would be really cool, especially now that Disney is in its "let's bring stuff back" era, why not bring back one of the best modern TV shows with a movie?
gatsby means "Adjective; meaning excessively extravagant, cool, stylish. Giving off swagger. Based off the F. Scott Fitzgerald novel The Great Gatsby."
So here’s my thoughts on a movie: For one, this would be a long time coming for fans, even though most people consider the full 2 hour version of Weirdmageddon a movie itself. And while I would thoroughly enjoy insight into the characters and their lives following the summer, my main question is if Bill would need to return at all. With how defining he became for the show, him not being there in some capacity would be kinda disappointing. For him to physically come back would probably be difficult as I doubt a movie would focus on him being defeated by Dipper and Mabel if he dies as fast as he returns - I don’t think that does him justice and sounds like a more rushed Weirdmageddon 2.0. For Bill to come back, someone who has no clue who he is has to shake his statue’s hand, and the only people I could think of would be one of Dipper and Mabel’s parents (one of the them takes their frustration to Gravity Falls, shakes Bill’s hand out of curiosity, and he agrees to fix their relationship without context as to what he wants…). Not the most fleshed out, I know, but as hilarious and deep as Bill going to therapy was (which side note, if the Core is there, wondering if Belos is there too…), him coming back as a reformed being probably wouldn’t work in a movie because, and this is just my thought process, (A) a lot of people prefer him as an irredeemable villain and, (B) even if people were okay with that, I doubt Dipper and Mabel would buy anything Bill says and justifiably assume he’s lying, even if he is genuinely trying to be nice. It’s a lot to consider, so if anyone has ideas for a potential movie, please feel free to share.
I think it would be better to expand the universe with new characters, in this case new foes, then pigeonhole the universe into revolving around Bill. I’d like to see a new villain in a hypothetical sequel.
What all this amounts to is that Alex Hirsch is a MASTER of world building. His ficitional world is so detailed its spills into the real world. You can TOUCH Alex Hirsch's world building. You can interact with his world directly. You can practically TALK TO THE CHARACTERS. Alex Hirsch is one of the most talented writers of our generation, and even with all the praise he's gotten I feel like he still doesn't get anywhere NEAR the amount of hype he deserves. Beyond excited for his next non-Gravity Falls related project. I love Gravity Falls obviously, but it's always exciting when a creator with this amount of talent makes something completely new
I think that the show could return. Either random character makes a deal with Bill cipher. After reading the book. Dipper and Mabel might try to fix there family. They might ask Bill cipher to do the impossible. Or someone thinks that the book is a joke. But bottom line, someone will cut open there hand and shake the statues hand. Bringing Bill cipher back to life.
It would be awesome if Gravity falls did what samurai jack did. Like, maybe ten more years in the future, a movie or new show is released (not season 3!) where we see Dipper and Mabel grown up. It could be a more mature project that delves deeper into everyone's character, and of course, more mysteries and adventures. That's what I'd love to see
11:39 Why _The Great Gatsby_ in its entirety? I think that is easy to answer. Color theory. In Gatsby, different colors were associated with things and if my memory serves -- old money, new money and toxic positivity (rose colored glasses, represented in Gatsby via the billboard). Rather than being told the same color association applies, I think we are supposed to infer that color theory is afoot and probably in ways we can start identifying specific association.
6:55 making him both unforgivable and Pitiful, a great villian can be sympathic too just typically they might not reach enough of an impact as one who crosses the line, like a person would, Bill is humanized by being Pitiful he isn't some force of nature unable to control his actions, he is incompetent, pathetic horrible individual, he chose to ruin his life but that isn't really far off from a person too can do. just happens he is a cautonary tell, of what not to do in life and that is what can also make a great villian serving the themes through being a monster and a monster you cry for not with.
I'm glad Gravity Falls is still going strong, I still remember watching the first episode premiere on Disney channel....and falling head first into my first fandom
LOVE how instead of adding new lore, Book of Bill recontextualizes a lot and gives us better understanding of what we already knew about the characters
Other possibilities Pines family wants to undo traumatic events that are now happening. Or another main character might want to return to the age of Bill cipher. Or undo the trauma again.
I had an idea about a extreme soft sequel of gravity falls. *GEOMETRIC ADVENTURES* Where Bills reincarnates in a 3d dimension and with little memories of what hapend, becoming a truly new entity.
The horrible toy phone makes me think it's a Skinamarink reference. Who knows, maybe the events of that movie were all him lmao. Great video tho, got me reengaged with this fandom after being away for so long!
3:21 Okay, you probably won't read it anyways, but. **Inhales** T. J. Eckelburg is not an actual character in the Great Gatsby but the representation of a sort of God of consumerism and ambition, as well as being the biggest symbol of Wilson's madness "God sees all" when he mistakes Gatsby for his wife's killer and shoots him then himself. It's such a good book. Read it, you heathen.
There will never be a season 3 but that doesn’t mean we won’t get more animated projects in this universe. Still wish they made a third season and had the finale just pushed to season 3 because there was clearly so much more content left and it pains me to see that it was just so stressful on the staff and team that they had to end it when they did. Still a great ending though but you can tell they had more ideas they didn’t get to share.
I love how this book completely destroys the mystique of Bill as a character. He's known as this unknowable being of chaos, but under everything....he's just a pathetic has-been who needs people way more than they need him. He is also Ford's needy ex
In Hana Hyperfixate's interview with Alex Hirsch (which you should absolutely watch in full), they question if the fandom interpretation of Ford being queer is rooted in some form of fact. Alex replies and says (paraphrased), "When it comes to media creation, the customer is always right. If this character is gay to you, then they're gay!" Hana (mostly jokingly) says, "You hear that? Ford gay confirmed!" And Alex. Doesnt. _Correct them._ He just continues to explain his thought process behind Ford/character reception, completely steamrolling over Hana's little quip. I'm going fucking bonkers over here, I cannot believe that Billford/queer Ford is (mostly) canon. Like holy shit.
The Great Gatsby is done a great disservice in being forced on kids as a chore to read, when how it should be taught at first is by someone who loves the book - which is actually quite short, by book standards - reading it to the students *out loud.* The book's beauty is as much in how it SOUNDS to read it as in the plot or characters themselves, inseparably. Making a kid read it impersonally without love is a poison pill for its value, when it really calls out to some really universal realities of prejudicial inertia, love as need vs. love as gift, and the way that both the perpetrators and victims of prejudice are harmed, not just by the act and treatment, but by the moral injury involved. I do suggest that needing to be tricked into reading it is very sad, because it means that it has not been taught by someone who wants to convey a love for its meaning.
To me, the ending is not just him in denial that he lost, but in complete denial that he himself could ever change, could ever be anything other than the monster he's been since [redacted] euclydia
