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The Return of the 4-4-2 

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4-4-2: the formation that many current players and fans grew up on. The formation that Manchester United used to win the treble. The formation that Brazil used to win the World Cup in 2002. But more recently it has fallen out of fashion.
But as Jon Mackenzie explains, it is returning, in a defensive state. Illustrated by Henry Cooke.
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@vincemassara3283
@vincemassara3283 Год назад
442 never left (as said in the video). Easiest way to organise a press. And if you stretch the meaning to also include the 442 diamond, that's incredibly popular too. A 433 with inverted wingers and a false 9 is basically a 442 diamond
@phomo561
@phomo561 Год назад
🔥🔥🔥🔥
@dylanmurphy9389
@dylanmurphy9389 Год назад
Liverpool have basically played 4-4-2 diamond this season
@triaxe-mmb
@triaxe-mmb Год назад
I have a feeling you didn't watch the video...just commenting off the title...
@vincemassara3283
@vincemassara3283 Год назад
@@triaxe-mmb hahaha definitely watched. But there's no point just regurgitating lines from the video is there. It's not only without the ball 442 is still common
@ravecrab
@ravecrab Год назад
Not sure I agree with that last statement. Inverted wingers might come inside but their starting positions are far too wide to be considered strikers.
@TheMixCurator
@TheMixCurator Год назад
Jonathan Wilson's "Inverting the Pyramid" is essential reading for anyone interested in the evolution of football tactics. There's an immense part of the book based on Valeriy Lobanovskyi's (of FC Dynamo Kyiv fame) formations and tactics. Would be a really good secret santa/stocking filler for someone 👌
@XxEpIcFrOzEnzZxxx
@XxEpIcFrOzEnzZxxx Год назад
Couldn't agree more- absolutely loved the chapter about Bela Gutmann, the Mourinho of his era!
@devononair
@devononair Год назад
i just bought a copy for a friend for Christmas, so I heartily agree!
@terky3052
@terky3052 Год назад
@@XxEpIcFrOzEnzZxxx ohhh that chapter is elite!!
@benwilliams8667
@benwilliams8667 Год назад
If you buy the audiobook the gusto in which he pronounces non-english names is worth the purchase alone.
@jonatanolsen37
@jonatanolsen37 4 месяца назад
Loved that book
@amadoubah9296
@amadoubah9296 Год назад
When I was kid (late nineties and early 2000´s), the 4-4-2 was so prevalent that I assumed that’s how the game was supposed to be played. In our local games, We always arranged our ourselves in that way, or tried to approximate it when we weren’t playing with 11 players.
@thejoulesthief6841
@thejoulesthief6841 Год назад
Its just a really well balanced formation. The “weakness” of the formation is that it doesn’t do anything *really well*. There are better formations to field to pull opponents out of position, form an attack, or counter quickly in transitional play, but the 4-4-2 is reliable and scalable, if predictable and medium.
@SK-kh2rs
@SK-kh2rs Год назад
Tiki taka destroyed striker position. If all kids start playing 442 more strikers and complete mids will come through.
@matt7matt722
@matt7matt722 Год назад
@@SK-kh2rs You're absolutely spot on, with that assessment.
@ivanmunoz9055
@ivanmunoz9055 Год назад
@@SK-kh2rs tiki taka was "invented" by Luis Aragonés and the Spanish national team and it was used in a 4-4-2 formation with actual strikers. Football is a simple game and the hardest thing to do is play simple football. So most time we see tactical inventions such as the having no striker on the team is usually because of what's available and not what's most effective.
@DeanRavenMusic
@DeanRavenMusic 11 месяцев назад
​@@ivanmunoz9055so true!
@sld1776
@sld1776 Год назад
2010/2011 Villarreal played a possession-based 4-4-2. The two 'wingers' (one was Cazorla) would move inside, while the fullbacks would provide the width. Both forwards were very mobile and could either drop as a #10 or help overwhelm the wide areas. Finished third that season if memory serves.
@andrasszabo1570
@andrasszabo1570 Год назад
Yeah, I loved that Villarreal. They signed players and coaches based on their style and ideas rather than results, so they always found the underrated tools and punched well above their weight. With one of the lowest budgets in the division, they qualified for Europe in every season but one between 2003/04 and 2011/12. They put such a magnificient XI on the pitch with a shoestring budget, it's ridiculous. This was their team in 2010/11: Rossi, Nilmar (Altidore) Cazorla, Bruno (Senna), Valero, Cani Capdevila, Musacchio (Marchena), G. Rodríguez, Ángel (Mário) Diego López
@ashtonalmond9024
@ashtonalmond9024 Год назад
Montpellier too when they won. 2 wingers to cross to Giroud
@cachedreamer
@cachedreamer Год назад
@@ashtonalmond9024 Montpellier didn't use a 4-4-2 that season? In fact, the #10 in-front of their midfield pivot was one of the key components of their title win.
@brapblap0429
@brapblap0429 Год назад
sounds incredibly similar to the monaco team that beat city in the champions league and won ligue 1. bernardo and lemar both cut inside while mbappe and falcao could both drop into the middle or push wide.
@fadhilideche2831
@fadhilideche2831 Год назад
The return of the 4-4-2 as a specifically in-possession formation seems to be part of a more general transition towards what could be called phase-specific formations. In other words, I think it's become more widely accepted to no longer see starting line-ups as having a single-set formation, but different set-ups to occupy given the state-of-play (e.g. attacking, defensive transition etc.). Something similar has happened with how common it is to see teams adopt the W-M or 2-3-5 as an in-possession set-up.
@titaninsane
@titaninsane Год назад
Great observation. I’ve been noticing how the shape of the team changes depending on the situation, so it’s definitely how the game’s going to evolve
@fadhilideche2831
@fadhilideche2831 Год назад
@@titaninsane Thanks. And perhaps the culmination of that (or at least the next phase) would be to denote players in terms of their "roles" rather "position". So, for example, no longer calling Trent, Cancelo and Wan-Bissaka "full-backs" just because that tends to be their nominal starting position. I remember HITC Sevens made a video arguing basically that same point.
@titaninsane
@titaninsane Год назад
@@fadhilideche2831 Your definitely onto something. Players need to be so versatile in the modern game, simple labeling them by their holding positions definitely doesn't reflect their contributions to the game.
@matheus5230
@matheus5230 Год назад
@@titaninsane It has already evolved like that. The future is here and now.
@stuckupcurlyguy
@stuckupcurlyguy Год назад
It's more like a WW as the mezzalas don't usually overlap the forwards but I see what you mean
@ViniciusSC10
@ViniciusSC10 Год назад
I hope the 4-3-1-2 makes a comeback. Being Brazilian I grew up watching strikers duos and attackings fullbacks, really miss those days.
@fmac6441
@fmac6441 Год назад
especially with the "diamond" format that Wanderley used.
@leonbernshausen2568
@leonbernshausen2568 Год назад
Dont you have that in a 3412 too?
@prsancho
@prsancho Год назад
It was 4-2-2-2. The diamond was more common in Argentina. However, in Brazil, the 2’s weren’t never equal. Even the forward 2. It was never 2 #9. Think of Brazil 1994. Mauro Silva e Dunga were very different players. So were Mazinho e Zinho. Also, Romário and Bebeto. There was flexibility in the Brazilian 4-4-2, which would count with the attacking fullbacks as well.
@fmac6441
@fmac6441 Год назад
@@prsancho In 2006 we also played like this, taking out Juninho Pernambuco, who was on the right in the diamond formation, for Adriano to enter, setting Zé Roberto next to Emerson and Gaúcho next to Kaká
@ViniciusSC10
@ViniciusSC10 Год назад
@@prsancho I was thinking more of the Wanderley Luxemburgo diamond midfield, that @fmac6441 said. But the 4-2-2-2 was awesome too because you have the balance between players that defend and create, with two midfielders that created a lot. And people tend to forget players like Cesar Sampaio, Rincon and others, that were defensive midfielders but were huge forces going forward. We had players capable of doing the box to box needed today. I think we have had a decline in quality at the fullback position because they don’t attack was often as they did in the past. Also the wingers were turn in to fullbacks in the past (like Cafu and Serginho). Nowadays they stay as wingers. But I think today teams have a huge difficulty facing closed defense because they use only one striker and this is showing in this World Cup. I think a second striker (not a second poacher), a faster striker, that can dribble and pass as Edmundo and Paulo Nunes were back in the 90s would help this. One, because they would give a partner to the striker and another thing to defenders to worry. Two, because they would open space to fullback to go further upfield. We have players that have that characteristics like Lautaro, Gabriel Jesus and Joao Felix, but they are obligated to play as strikers or wingers because every scheme in today’s game uses only one striker.
@SKa-tt9nm
@SKa-tt9nm Год назад
The original 4-4-2 had a sweeper. So defensively it’s not quite the same.
@lewisblackwiththenicehair
@lewisblackwiththenicehair Год назад
It's interesting how the covering man has moved from being a centre half to being one of the midfield two
@thejungwookim
@thejungwookim Год назад
It's interesting to see 4-4-2 being so prevalent it's nearly the perfect defensive structure
@andrasszabo1570
@andrasszabo1570 Год назад
Arrigo Sacchi loved the 4-4-2 because it's the best in terms of covering the space. Wherever the opponent passes the ball, you always have at least 2 players nearby. I would add that its simplicity makes it easier to build a team, you don't need many positions to sign players.
@philthornton1382
@philthornton1382 Год назад
All sports tactics are cyclical I’m looking forward to the big man little man strike force and hard as nails cb making their comeback
@IVIRnathanreilly
@IVIRnathanreilly Год назад
Can see the big man little man being moreso a "striker" and a "winger" where the little man is always taking up a wider position on either side.
@munmunyee
@munmunyee Год назад
In 30 years the expected football IQ of top flight players will be so high we'll have gone back and retried total football
@LuisGarcia-zz2qv
@LuisGarcia-zz2qv Год назад
@@munmunyee how do you know this ? I don’t understand why you say this
@LuisGarcia-zz2qv
@LuisGarcia-zz2qv Год назад
How do you know this will happen I am curious to know your point of view on how all sports tactics are cyclical
@theflashgordon193
@theflashgordon193 Год назад
can't wait to see 424 back then
@y.a.46
@y.a.46 Год назад
Morocco has been using this formation out of postion extremely well in the world cup, only conceded three goals in the whole tournament and two of them came in the semifinals.
@kash5439
@kash5439 Год назад
One of those was an own goal
@derkaiser16
@derkaiser16 Год назад
4-4-2. The formation that I first know back when I started watching football. I was still at Elementary school that time. Seeing tifo made a video about this somehow kicks some memories in my brain
@karanskaushal
@karanskaushal Год назад
The modern 4-2-2-2 is my go to formation
@confidenceismymiddlename
@confidenceismymiddlename Год назад
It's used a lot by Ancelotti at Real Madrid with Valverde on the right Really effective and imo one of the main reasons they won the CL last season
@soyjusthyn7850
@soyjusthyn7850 Год назад
true.. vini and benzema on top
@bigbearrecordingstudio7921
@bigbearrecordingstudio7921 Год назад
Leicester miracle season was a 4-4-2 w Vardy and Okazaki/Ulloa up front and was, evidently, very successful!
@the_one_the_only4651
@the_one_the_only4651 Год назад
Can you do a documentary on the San Marino national team (football's biggest underdogs) and their never-ending struggle in international football. Loving the content ❤
@LoyalFan9383
@LoyalFan9383 Год назад
Why are they an underdog when they always always always and I mean always lose minimum of 4-0
@Youngcarter354
@Youngcarter354 Год назад
@@LoyalFan9383 lol maybe he meant underdog as in a team who’s not expecting to win
@amucci7
@amucci7 Год назад
@@LoyalFan9383 😂do you know what underdog means?
@snorkz455
@snorkz455 Год назад
Extremely good idea
@baiscj
@baiscj Год назад
Can you stop spamming bro? You've been commenting the exact same comment everytime. If they're interested they would've done it already. Or maybe they're working on it. Seeing your spam everytime i watch tifo videos just become annoying now.
@RaZeyLWindBladE
@RaZeyLWindBladE Год назад
There is also the addition of the sweeper keeper or keeper playmaker; teams like Arsenal or Man City plays these vigorously with either Ederson playing further upfront as an additional defender or Ramsdale playing the quick over the top or a fast ball through the mid and being crucial to the transition phase. They allow their teammates to maintain a better defensive shape while having the potential for quick turnovers. In attack, Arsenal moves forward ala 2-3-4-1 shape while defending as a 4-4-2 with Xhaka as that box to box player and Odegaard as a second striker / No 10 role. And while opposing coaches can understand and even play against these teams, the sheer amount of control and possession socks the life out of the opposing team and constant threat all over the pitch highlights it.
@lewisrowden3544
@lewisrowden3544 Год назад
The 4-4-2 is like Rock music. People always seem to want to claim that it's dead, so that they can bring it back to life. Yet, like Rock music always in some form being on the radio, every year we see 4-4-2 being played at all levels of the men's and women's game.
@RatedROliveirav2
@RatedROliveirav2 Год назад
Sérgio Conceição has been using the 4-4-2 ever since he took charge of FC Porto, it's the flexibility and adaptability that matters. Having Evanilson and Taremi, he has a striker that can push deep and another striker who has more freedom on the pitch. He did this with Aboubakar and Marega. It's all about the input you try to give your team when attacking and defending,
@mayankgautam840
@mayankgautam840 Год назад
Brazil and Portugal played their last matches with 442 out of possession.
@filipesiegrist
@filipesiegrist Год назад
Brasil looked more as 4-1-4-1 last game.
@frebs5603
@frebs5603 Год назад
442 always well adapted to international football since there isn’t as much time to develop true gameplan philosophy, and it forces horse shoe offense from opposition by pushing them wide, and a good strike partnership can never fail.
@abstraqtphilosophy7357
@abstraqtphilosophy7357 Год назад
Senegal, Croatia, France, and Portugal have had their national team coaches for over 5yrs. Are you saying these managers don't have your so-called true game plan philosophy because they are international coaches? The disrespect!
@Victor-kh5rh
@Victor-kh5rh Год назад
That’s not true at all. Tite has been with Brazil for six years, with a pretty consistent squad, and the way the South American qualifiers are structured it means playing everyone in home-away games. Tite didn’t deploy the 4-4-2 structure until late in the process. We attack in a 4-2-1-3 or 4-2-4 and defend in 4-4-2 with Neymar dropping deep looking to unleash Richarlison or one of the wingers. 4-4-2 works very well with our trigger based press, and it’s -effect for launching counter attacks.
@abstraqtphilosophy7357
@abstraqtphilosophy7357 Год назад
@@Victor-kh5rh Talk to that man, mate. Tell him
@frebs5603
@frebs5603 Год назад
@@abstraqtphilosophy7357 it’s not disrespectful. Didier Deschamps is a great coach and he’s done a great job, but tactics are definitely not a skill of his. His skills are man management and player selection, substitutes, but not tactical intelligence. And even if you have a coach that can do that (such as Enrique for Spain), you must understand that it’s simply just much harder to develop a stable possession based gameplan due to international teams not being able to play together nearly as often as club teams. That’s why international football is often more back and forth and there’s much less intricate buildup like you might see in top tier clubs
@frebs5603
@frebs5603 Год назад
@@Victor-kh5rh I never said every single team had to use it 😂😂 Argentina does tho and so do most other teams out of possession. I’m just saying it’s always a solid option
@adriboy01
@adriboy01 Год назад
Leonardo Jardim's 442 at Monaco (16/17) was something else.
@GiantsHunt
@GiantsHunt Год назад
My favorite formation is the “Christmas tree” 4-3-2-1 and its cousin the 4-3-1-2, which is a 4-4-2 variant, as exemplified by AC Milan in the mid 2000s
@AKM96
@AKM96 Год назад
Before the World Cup break, we(Liverpool) were playing in that formation. The 4-3-1-2
@JJ_Forza
@JJ_Forza Год назад
4321 is one of the worst positions available imo
@Otto-1943
@Otto-1943 Год назад
@@JJ_Forzawell Milan win champions league with this formation back in 2007
@Groundsey
@Groundsey Год назад
England will be playing 4-4-2.
@andrasszabo1570
@andrasszabo1570 Год назад
Arrigo Sacchi loved the 4-4-2 because it's the best in terms of covering the space. Wherever the opponent passes the ball, you always have at least 2 players nearby. I would add that its simplicity makes it easier to build a team, you don't need many positions.
@anxofernandez3344
@anxofernandez3344 Год назад
The most popular formation in the late 80s and for most of the 90s was the 442 diamond. There usually was a central midfielder (Rijkaard, Albertini, Redondo, Guardiola...); there were two midfielders on the sides that could be more like wings or more like extra central midfielders; and an offensive midfielder that could be kind of a predecessor of the box to box (Gullit for Milan or Bakero for Barcelona) or a playmaker (Baggio, Laudrup, Schuster..). Some teams would use the 442 with two central midfielders (holding and box-to-box) and no actual playmaker and two more offensive midfielders, forming a square shape. In the late 90s and early 2000s some teams began to use only one striker, bring back the playmaker and turn the offensive midfielders almost into wings. Then the Spanish teams found success with the 433 formation and the 442 and 4231 kinda went away for a while. And now what was old is new again.
@croskoal
@croskoal Год назад
Excellent information and awesome trip through memory lane. Only nitpick, the box to box is a much older concept that made a comeback in the early-mid 2000s (Lampard, Scholes and Gerard at different points in their careers, and Michael Ballack)
@anxofernandez3344
@anxofernandez3344 Год назад
@@croskoal Gerrard was half playmaker and half box-to-box. He could do both very well. Ballack and Lampard were better as the box-to-box type but he was more creative than either of them. I get your point though.
@croskoal
@croskoal Год назад
@@anxofernandez3344 oh yeah, what a complete midfielder. Good times
@amrelarcher8990
@amrelarcher8990 Год назад
every time a big global tourney comes around, the 4-4-2 always comes into fashion again.
@devononair
@devononair Год назад
It's more common at international level because it's easier a slightly safer system, and international coaches to tend to adopt conservative strategies overall.
@glassjournal7598
@glassjournal7598 Год назад
In Portugal, since the beginning of Sérgio Conceição's era, FC Porto has been playing in 4-4-2, sometimes looking like a 4-2-3-1 (for example, now Taremi plays as Second Forward) in a very high pressing style (usually with quick counter). Benfica, this season, with Schmidt, has been doing something similar, but with more possession style, with a formation that sits between a 4-4-2 and a 4-2-3-1 (with Rafa Silva playing as kind of a #10 or a Second Forward)
@thisIsFunnyLolz
@thisIsFunnyLolz Год назад
What goes around comes around. Like fashion, things come in cycles and with formations having only a limited number of combinations and the ever evolving, never ending, tactical duels between clubs, the 4-4-2 was bound to return with some twists. Love the content
@stormmeansnowork
@stormmeansnowork Год назад
Speaking of evolving tactics, I would say that an effective formation could sometimes depend upon the popularity of formations. 442 may be effective when out of possession, but I believe it to be so only when most team plays (for instance) 4231 when attacking. One day when most people opt for some other in-possession formation, maybe a 352 would return as the best formation too, just hypothesising. These kind of things called formation actually counter one another in some ways and it also depends on whether or not you have the players to make the best out of a certain formation.
@alficammy6159
@alficammy6159 Год назад
Sir Alex Ferguson favourite formations even in his last season with Manchester United he used this formation to win the league with aging players and average squad plus Van Persey and Rooney partnership is one deadly duo shame we could only see it for one season tho
@iamthemanwithnoname6140
@iamthemanwithnoname6140 Год назад
Viktor Maslov deserves a lot more recognition than he gets. The price for being part of the Soviet bloc I guess. One of the greatest pioneers in Football. There is something distinctly Soviet about the way he developed the game. The idea that individual skill can be nullified by teamwork, discipline and fitness.
@danielfsmoreira89
@danielfsmoreira89 Год назад
Sergio Conceição's FC Porto is using 442 for the 6th consecutive season. One striker dropping a bit but roughly maintaining two lines of 4 players. The RM usually joins the CMs when in possession. A 622 was used a couple of times when defending against stronger teams.
@joaomaio9070
@joaomaio9070 Год назад
A couple of games in the CL this season where, while defending attacks from the left side, Zaidu would close in with the CBs and Galeno would drop to the LW position. Weird but it worked great against oponents with fast players on the wing.
@maudalmusicalmachines3541
@maudalmusicalmachines3541 Год назад
USMNT switching from 4 4 2 to 4 3 3 in possession is working a charm.
@64Ahmed
@64Ahmed Год назад
These new formations were created to counter the 4-4-2 , but this also means that the 4-4-2 can counter them. As we see with how high pressing can be countered by counter attacking and sometimes counter attacking can be countered by pressing high to stop the attacks from starting in the first place. I think it comes down to which teams can execute their plan in the best way and that's why there isnt really a "right" way to play football
@indyalmighty
@indyalmighty Год назад
Four four fackin tooo
@Zazzy280
@Zazzy280 Год назад
Barcelona’s 4-4-2 under Valverde when they almost went the whole season unbeaten 😢
@SDCLFC1
@SDCLFC1 Год назад
I've not seen a 4-4-2 as a pressing system - only a mid-block. Occasionally they might initiate a press by mostly it's preventing space. A full-press where traps are set is usually a 4-3-3 with the a midfielder joining the front 3 and the full-backs joining the midfield, I never see that happen in a 4-4-2
@shaqtaku
@shaqtaku Год назад
I wish the 3-5-2 would just die already. I hate that formation
@jonnywishbone4805
@jonnywishbone4805 Год назад
United usually played with a link man like Sheringham, Cantona or even Yorke to an extent- even Scholes occasionally played there originally
@crimsonmage1265
@crimsonmage1265 Год назад
Something about 442 just makes me love it
@EgoHead710
@EgoHead710 Год назад
It's a sexy and symmetrical structure.🥰
@crimsonmage1265
@crimsonmage1265 Год назад
@SeanL94 perfectly described lad
@ravecrab
@ravecrab Год назад
It seems like such an aggressive formation by modern standards. It surrenders control for sheer firepower.
@michaelscott7166
@michaelscott7166 Год назад
So England's next manager should be Mike Bassett then?
@runrafarunthebestintheworld
I love the 4-4-2 much better than the 5-4-1.
@Snaily
@Snaily Год назад
My local side actually still plays a 4-2-4 and has done since the 70's, though with the pace of the left-back and right-winger we've got it does often become more of a 3-3-4 or a 3-2-5 on attack. Going fairly well for them now, winning most games by at least 4 goals minus the odd dodgy lino.
@rujkantanadigital1090
@rujkantanadigital1090 Год назад
most high pressing teams now look like inverted 4-4-2 when off the ball - they are positioned as 2-4-4
@hassanhamdan3754
@hassanhamdan3754 Год назад
Nagelsmann tried a 442 press with Bayern no?
@syrenpippa9388
@syrenpippa9388 Год назад
Tifo u dey always burst my head...God bless keep the good work going..genuine fan
@Maxim89Il
@Maxim89Il Год назад
Formation are more often than not effected by the tools at hand. For example, the 4-3-3 worked in Guardiola's Barcelona because that was the most effective formation for the players he had. Many coaches who tried to copy it failed because they didn't have the same tools. Victor Maslov was intelligent and insightful enough to realise the footballers were becoming fitter, stronger, and with higher endurance, which allowed to drop some of his forwards back and control the midfield better while maintaining their attacking functions. His Torpedo Moscow was one of the best teams in Europe, and had the Soviet bureaucrats not been so dumb and allowed Soviet Teams to join the European Cup earlier, who knows? Maybe Russia would've had a finalist, or even a winner, already back then. Also, while Dynamo Kiev had won one title before his arrival, it was he who really created the "great Dynamo" and paved the way for the great Lobanovsky.
@matthewmcneany
@matthewmcneany Год назад
"Time is a flat circle" - Some German guy (probably Seb).
@ranjanprithvi
@ranjanprithvi Год назад
Till today, I thought Segue was spelt as Segway 😄
@nifemi_o
@nifemi_o Год назад
Segue is the word meaning "to transition", Segway is the two wheeled transporter thing hippies like
@GlodelaniaChannel
@GlodelaniaChannel Год назад
4-2-2 is so popular in Inazuma town, the crown champion of Football Frontier, Raimon starts using it. Although in Glodelania, the formation 4-3-3 is the most prepared one although the national team uses 3-4-1-2 instead.
@madhatten00
@madhatten00 Год назад
the 4-4-2 by argentina is closer to a 4-3-2-1 formation messi roams into the middle making this a 4-3-2-1 with Alvarez running front
@littlewing62
@littlewing62 Год назад
it always depends on the situation on the pitch, it's rare to see teams play a rigid 442 or 433 in the modern game
@haitiankid9456
@haitiankid9456 Год назад
Was thinking about this since the start of this world cup cause every tactico the 442 was finished and outdated cause of the midfield inferiority but it still works on an international level a lot of teams use it. Even Bayern adopt a form of it sometimes
@kailaskrishnan7
@kailaskrishnan7 Год назад
My favorite formation, brought me many career victories in Manager Mode on FIFA 15. The last great FIFA game. That first champions league with Sheffield United felt so sweet and brought to me all by the usage of the 4-4-2.
@Varraz
@Varraz Год назад
Even the 4-2-4 is making a small comeback with its ability to transform into a 4-4-2 off possesion
@prsancho
@prsancho Год назад
In Argentina, the 4-4-2 had a diamond in midfield (4-1-2-1-2). In Brazil, it was a square (4-2-2-2). In both countries, one would RARELY see the midfield in line. I was expecting to see those formations, but they weren’t mentioned.
@DeKaged
@DeKaged Год назад
I propose the 1-1-8 formation. I've never heard anything bad about that, so it must be good.
@mohdazmi10
@mohdazmi10 Год назад
This formation was first used by England in the 1970 WC.
@om13d
@om13d Год назад
442th
@btb3614
@btb3614 Год назад
Argentina played a 4-4-2 against Mexico recently. I can’t understand why, as it’s yet another formation that doesn’t play to Messi’s strengths. Perhaps it’s illegal to play 4-3-3 in Argentina.
@btb3614
@btb3614 Год назад
Haha, Scaloni must have read my comment.
@darkkingrc-1414
@darkkingrc-1414 Год назад
These formations feels like a cycle to me . 442
@bonito613
@bonito613 Год назад
Teams switched to 352 when Conte's success at Chelsea also.
@bonito613
@bonito613 Год назад
3-5-2/3-4-2-1*
@darkkingrc-1414
@darkkingrc-1414 Год назад
Thnx for reminding 👍
@user-go2xi7zq5q
@user-go2xi7zq5q Год назад
Mourinho brought in the 433
@sasj84
@sasj84 Год назад
What's up with Greenland? It's not that big...
@anthtan
@anthtan Год назад
That eponymous magazine will be happy to hear this, I imagine.
@thekingofafrica6720
@thekingofafrica6720 Год назад
Poland defended in a 4-4-2 formation today and only conceded when they where out of it... I noticed this too in some games over the WC. This formation never really died..
@georgeleach4514
@georgeleach4514 Год назад
This is really interesting as I feel like Guardiola’s 433 would which all the time to maintain his strict positional play.
@robert2690
@robert2690 Год назад
I’m still in love with Johan Cruyff’s 343 Diamond tactic. Very attacking and very defensive depending on the situation.
@Jiishaan
@Jiishaan Год назад
Brazil used it against Switzerland
@SohomP
@SohomP Год назад
Argentina is also using 4 4 2 in this world cup ig
@TheBROYOZ
@TheBROYOZ Год назад
Brazil national team was pressing in a 4-4-2
@dr.wrinklebrain2667
@dr.wrinklebrain2667 Год назад
Didnt they make this video for the last World Cup too?
@mundea
@mundea Год назад
4 4 fing 2
@trollpotatoe
@trollpotatoe Год назад
love 442😍
@efanferdiantowibowo9610
@efanferdiantowibowo9610 Год назад
I doubt big clubs would implement 4-4-2 regularly. Maybe for certain matches, but not regularly. With the introduction of attacking fullbacks, we dont need more wide wingers.
@SGProductions87
@SGProductions87 Год назад
The issue with this is that it's difficult to find the necessary quality of attack in a full back. Full backs are asked to do these things when they aren't skilled in doing so, and sometimes your full backs are injured and you have to use centre backs as makeshift full backs.
@efanferdiantowibowo9610
@efanferdiantowibowo9610 Год назад
@@SGProductions87 thats why I said big clubs
@sadsixersfan.
@sadsixersfan. Год назад
I wonder if we'll see a resurgence of a 10 between the lines as teams move away from having a 6 in favor of two blocks of 4
@smoggies88
@smoggies88 Год назад
carrick currently doin a 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 press for boro
@ferelpuma
@ferelpuma Год назад
I come from the year 2145. 0-8-2 is actually the best formation.
@daevan7572
@daevan7572 Год назад
Don't forget about Australia's 4-4-2 that broke us out of the group stage :D
@kohikappu
@kohikappu Год назад
I used to play with 4-3-1-2, easily the best formation in playing with Milan in any game platform (FIFA, PES, & WE)
@billyferaldy
@billyferaldy Год назад
2-3-5 in possession is something of a trend as well but yeah most teams defend in a 4-4-2 shape.
@Tacocat_145
@Tacocat_145 Год назад
442 is the most balanced formation.. you can evolve it to 424 if your on super attacking mode, 4411 if you want to hold the line upfront if you have a target man or a 451 if you want to win a midfield battle and even a 4231 is a form of 442 if you want to put 2 DM's in defending mode
@AdzSONLINE
@AdzSONLINE Год назад
Southgate out, Dyche in
@BAD5RO
@BAD5RO Год назад
Argentine just dominated Croatia's 4 3 3 with that
@madhatten00
@madhatten00 Год назад
except messi roamed so much, the formation shifted him into the mid field with alvarez being the center forward it's a 4-4-2 on paper but in real play it is closer to a 4-3-2-1
@Cesco_S
@Cesco_S Год назад
It’s coming back, it’s the best way to beat the 4-3-3 because of the quicker transition from defense to attack, especially when playing against a team that wants to keep possession and pushes wing backs high. But you need very strong box to box midfielders to keep up with the pace, Everton have the players for this type of midfield.
@senseidorsch3504
@senseidorsch3504 Месяц назад
4:52 VfB Stuttgart played most of the last Season in a 4-4-2 Formation. Runners-up in the Bundesliga
@dan-dhillon
@dan-dhillon Год назад
*Sam Allardyce winks at the FA*
@oab1598
@oab1598 Год назад
It is only partly true that Brazil used a 4-2-4 in 1958 to win the World Cup and it's completely false that Brazil used a 4-2-4 formation in 1970. Those are common and incorrect misconception of western media, that is quite frankly lazy journalism. Brazil had used a traditional 4-2-4 formation up till the 58 WC and without much success. In the run-up to Sweden 1958 Mario Zagallo was contesting the left-wing slot with Canhoteiro and Pepe. Zagallo lacked their technical ability, however he offered something they could not: the willingness to track back and defend when he was not in possession, a new development in the game at that time. As a result Vicente Feola, Brazil's coach made Zagallo the starter on that left spot for the WC. Zagallo ended up being an important player for Feola, who had him pushing forward when Brazil were in possession and then tracking back into midfield to support the left-back Nilton Santos when they weren't. That was innovative for the time. On top of that, another misconception is Pelé being a striker, he wasn't! Neither for Brazil or Santos. Brazil's centre forward/striker was Vava and for Santos it was Coutinho. Pelé was a no 10, a deep lying forward. In Brazil they call the no 10 position ponta de lança. Besides going forward to make plays with the centroavante(Centre forward Striker), the ponta de lança had a double job, because he also went back to help the meia-armador(centre midfielder) in making plays; that was the famous “8 and 10” duo in the midfield. Brazils no 8 was Didi and Brazil's then striker was Vava. So essentially Brazil played a hybrid 442/433/424 system in 1958. At the 1962 WC Zagallo was permanently stationed in left midfield so it was 433 and in 1970 Brazil played 451. They didn't use a striker, Tostao was the deep lying forward, Pelé attacking midfield, Jairzinho right, and Rivelino tucking in from the left of midfield. Everyone tracked back but Tostao. So it was a 451, which the 1970 coach Zagallo said so himself.
@visanion1361
@visanion1361 Год назад
They use 433 because its hard to find 2 good central midfielders.....a good pass can always bypass the pressing.....just think of then great players....gerrard scholes keane etc.....nowadays they consider pogba world class :)))
@aron5624
@aron5624 Год назад
That‘s literally how Real Madrid defended during their 3x Champions League run 2016-2018
@pato2200
@pato2200 Год назад
Tactical formations are of course subject to fashion. The adoption of 4-4-2 by arrigo sacchi at AC Milan was influential in making it respectable and orthodox again against the trend away from it in Europe. its success in 90s serie A, the most prestigious league in the world then. The trend away from 4-4-2 to 4--3-3 had much to do with the success of Barcelona who adopted this Dutch style structure to build tiki taka. There is nothing wrong with 4-4-2 it will always make a comeback. Even mike Bassett knew this.
@kieran8845
@kieran8845 9 месяцев назад
The issue with the 442 (flat) in the modern era has been the lack of numbers in the centre of the pitch. That can be compensated for if you have a strong defence , two extremely hardworking midfielders in the middle and enough pace to hit on the break effectively (leicester 2015, vintage Atletico under Simeone) these examples though are rare. In general games are dedided by the midfield and having 2 v 3's is just a tough ask.
@Tianton1
@Tianton1 Год назад
Here is an example of a perfect 4-4-2 team. Premier league style Cole Terry Van Dijk Walker Keane Scholes Barnes Beckham Rooney Shearer
@benkr
@benkr Год назад
One can argue Bayern Munich played a sort of 442 during Müllers high times as a floating element around Lewandowski
@sensualgoat3718
@sensualgoat3718 Год назад
Love the channel and content, however can you please stop depicting the Earth as a sphere. The black Swan argument by Nathan Oakley 1980 destroyed the R value, water measures level, one can't achieve gas pressure without a container etc etc...thanks
@aeugenio97
@aeugenio97 Год назад
Excellent analysis as always.
@cursethesemetalhans
@cursethesemetalhans Год назад
Ladies and gentlemen. England will be playing Four-Four-F***ing Two.
@ellouzesami5600
@ellouzesami5600 Год назад
I don't think formation is as significant as it was back in the day. for instance chelsea played the 343 with alonso and moses two players that are originally wingers but considered as full backs. barcelona in the remuntada played the 343 with iniesta and rafinha being their wingers with no defensive output whatsoever. For the same team that is Tunisia in the world cup, they played the 523 or the 343 with two defensive fullbacks on the two occasions and two offensive full backs on the third occasion occasion. relying on on one creative winger in the first game, two wingers in the second and no wingers in the second game. the 3 approaches are so different. It's not a matter of posession or counter attacking football but more of an approach of how to stop the opposing team. So, if we want to modelize the structure of player positions in modern football, we would have to select 3 formations: one for building up, one for attacking, one for defending, not just the one throughout the game
@guilhermevelhote5307
@guilhermevelhote5307 Год назад
Speaking of 442 on modern day footbal and not speaking of Sergio Conceição Porto's High press in the past years is a travesty
@PoucoHabilidoso
@PoucoHabilidoso Год назад
Can you please specify that 442 was played in England, other counties played other styles, I hate this generalization
@nsoper19
@nsoper19 Год назад
This needs to be understood with respect to the change in the offside rule in 2005. The rule change allowed players to be in an "offside" position but not interfering with play. This forced defensive lines deeper creating more space in the middle. Two men simply cannot cover that space anymore hence the need for three in midfield. And only on one striker. Look at any games from the 90s and the defences played much higher up with strikers looking to get in behind much more often.
@geordiedog1749
@geordiedog1749 Год назад
Football formations don’t really make any sense anymore. For a start, all teams (should) have a stance with the ball and one without. Also, if a team employs a certain tactic ie the G press then it sort of negates the structure of a team (out of possession) as they are just oppressing the opposition. Lastly, the strategy of a team - ie attack,defend, park the bus, kitchen sink etc - dictates how a team move. Formations are really only starting positions, nothing more.
@michelprimeau4531
@michelprimeau4531 Год назад
It's the simplest formation to play for a team with limited talent, for low divisions or beginners. It's easy for beginners to stay or get back to their position. Just keep the line with so and so who knows the game. Goalie can't really kick the ball across the field and it always end in the middle. So control the middle and you control the game.
@Herosennin
@Herosennin Год назад
Honest to god, formations are really kinda bs to me next to a defensive structure. Dependable on game moments, you'll play in about every formation throughout games if your squad is an intelligent pass and move squad.
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