The riot gun with the most 80s promo video ever? With firearms & weaponry expert Jonathan Ferguson 

'Is this going to be a stand-up fight or just another bug hunt?' I feel this implies that their standard training is to expect 'bugs' = aliens (and they find some, ironically, perhaps their bosses knew already?), but they will likely be fighting humans, as you say, strikers, abandoned colonists, others the company have betrayed.

@@stevetheduck1425 I get the feeling 'bug hunt' is spending a few days getting rid of some rhino beetles or torching a few space wasp nests that local security can't deal with, leaving them overconfident for something as terrifyingly hostile as the xenomorph.

I take bug hunt to be synonymous with 'goose chase'.

Very "Doctor Who" haha!

​@@TheduckwebcomicsUntil Covid 19 roll out and make the look pretty familiar sight in certain "people republic"

Are you saying you *didn't* find it threatening?

@@RoyalArmouries I was waiting for the standard pew pew sound effects and hand colored "laser" beams to start showing up.

Grey is a significant body colour for all NATO chemical ammunition after 1967. However riot control agents aren’t classified as chemical weapons.

I was thinking the same thing. 10 of them and now he's just rubbing Ians nose in it.

Think they have over 80% of the production in Leeds. Around 40 IIRC.

The problem is that with an explosive round the effective range is likely to be shorter than the grenade's kill radius.

@@GaldirEonai so a DARWIN rather than an ARWEN? I’ll get my flak jacket…

​@@GaldirEonaiI mean you fire or throw a grenade off the top of a building in a residential or commercial area such as say, Dublin during the troubles and you got the whole building as cover

I was considering throughout the first half of this video whether this non lethal weapon would be legal in the UK. But then it was shown that the projectiles are propelled by Magnum primers. Anything that relies on conventional primers and possession of those primers would surely immediately count as a lethal firearm even before anyone tried to manufacture a "more deadly" projectile.

@@dfpguitar It would be classed as a rifle.

All these rounds would penetrate plain windows.

Not yet

Not with that attitude 😜

A "SALAZAR" round. A teargas round that killed a news journalist in California. My training consisted of "Don't aim for the head".🤠

@@rogerlibby14613 The nightmarish 1980 New Mexico Penitentiary Riot includes an account of an inmate shooting another in the head with a 37mm teargas gun from a couple of feet away, and the victim's head just about exploded. Many of the rubber shot loads for shotguns are designed with the idea that you're supposed to hit the hard pavement in front of the target and have the projectiles ricochet up towards the target, but this is not seldom ignored. Some baton loads are intended for only striking the legs, where hits to the head or the gut can easily cause deadly injuries. Part of the problem is recklessness, but the other half is that Less Lethal is just a very difficult balance to achieve with good consistency. What's too much for one case may not be enough in another, there are many cases of people just powering through the pain of a taser, while there's numerous where the taser caused a heart attack, which sometimes proved lethal.

Almost like it ends up coming down to people who funked out of the military or just didn't try in the first place doing what they are trained for 20 minutes to do and inherently understand that the police union has their back in case they don't actually do what they are "trained" to do.

Unless her name means anti riot weapon probably not.

Had she ever put her parents to tears? 😉

I tracked down the vidja here. SCREAMING guitar indeed! /watch?v=l8U83ZKzFFU

As you probably know, Greener was a maker of quality English shotguns. The Greener 'Farkiller' was used in WWII as a weapon to guard some establishments, and as a trench gun, but it was rarely used.

I heard stories of troops loading D cell batteries into them....

@christopherdean1326 Yes, that was a thing that happened along with putting grit in to make it spread like a shotgun.

U2 batteries I believe… :)

I can have a go at ansering a few of those. For the front grip adjustability I can pretty much guarantee it was eliminated as a needless complexity that nobody actually used and was a potential point of failure either by failing under abuse/wear or simply catching the release lever on something. For ejection, look at around 18:20 and you will see a pair of ramps that the empty cartridge hits and gets launched to the side. This part moves as in its natural position it is halfway across a chamber, so when fully loaded it lifts up to accommodate the fifth round (the first loaded), and drops down to the position seen here when ejecting the first fired round and then stays there for the rest of the rounds I doubt the aluminium is a training round as it is way heavier meaning to would have totally different ballistics and therefore sighting so it would be a terrible training tool. I would agree with barrier penetration, there are grenades that are designed to penetrate a barrier (including walls so they can be pretty stout) and deliver a payload of gas. IIRC a British police officer was killed by one of these in a training accident when it hit him after penetrating a window. The AR-6 is not so much a last chance round (although it sort of could be as if a crowd closed in withing minimum baton range this would be the only round you could legitimately use), but rather as a round for use in any situation below the safe minimum range. For example firing though a window or open door to force someone out of a room or vehicle. The HK launcher used by the British police (the L104A1) is a special version of the HK69 with a rifled 37mm barrel so it used "police" rounds rather than military 40mm rounds.

@@commando552 Thank you! I still don't get how the case is ejected, though.

@@F1ghteR41 If you pause the vid at 18:22 you will see an oddly angled arm that goes from the centre pivot to a piece at the bottom of the ejection port. This is not attached to the spindle and stays basically stationary (it doesn't for the first round but dont worry about that for now) so when the empty chamber rotates out of alignment with the barrel, it collides with this arm (and a second arm at the front which is not as visible in this frame of the video) and gets kicked out of the side.

@@commando552 Ah, I see now, thanks

How is it gonna help if you give the attacker a pistol? That makes no sense. I mean, if a "granade launcher" launches a granade, there's only one thing that a "pistol launcher" can do.

@@DrVictorVasconcelos Well - launch a pistol at sufficient speed and you would deter the attacker through sufficient blunt trauma. Otherwise - " a pistol sized launcher" :p

​@@DrVictorVasconcelos Well, if it launched a pistol together with CS as mentioned, the only thing the pistol would serve as, is a very painful projectile. I've been around spicy CS enough to get a good handle on what it does and how fast, that I'm certain of how efficiently it removes the will to fight from individuals in close proximity to whatever is emitting it 🙂. I have subjected myself to CS etc as well, to get "used to it" as much as that's a thing... People who haven't been around that stuff think it's something different than it really is, your body reacts to the stuff - it's not optional or a voluntary thing... It quite literally makes hard grown men cry, and quite often loose their lunch too. At least the military stuff does, quite nasty. Imagine that first, and then you get a sarcastic cunt like me, with a shiteating grin, telling you that mommy can't help you now - you've gone too far... Deterrence 😀

Arwen will remind me of LOTR until the day I die haha

Man, I can just imagine a gun nerd and a LotR nerd deciding a name for their daughter and both of them thinking they got one over on the other.

Gotta control orcs somehow.

Ah, a fellow Jonathon enjoyer. That's when you do a full marathon of J. Ferguson videos.

Not killing it, this is decidedly a NON-LETHAL weapon. Jonathan pointed that out several times specifically XD

@@sim.frischh9781 less lethal

She literally knocked him out first he saw her

You could disperse a lot of orcs with a rapid salvo of 37mm teargas shells.

"... and at first mistook her for a grenade launcher, thinking he had fallen into an action movie."

She probably changed his diapers.

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarineok so you get to take a modern day weapon that requires only one person to operate into LOTR assuming ammo is no issue what you taking because I’m thinking some LMG

Something similar came to my mind too :) I'll get my coat and come with you :)

The ribs aren't for the operator. They're for whoever is receiving.

... if you're brave enough

I'm not aware of anyone actually dying as a result of being shot with this in Quebec? But definitely several lost eyes, major injuries, etc. Of course the major issue with pretty much all similar weapons is they're "supposed" to be used at specific ranges, not aimed at heads, bounced off the ground, etc, and of course there is minimal police interest in actually enforcing those guidelines in a meaningful way. I don't remember if it was in 2012 or 2015 that a teenage girl was shot point-blank in the face with one of those on camera (I believe it was an ARWEN, could have been some other model), and she didn't die but it was not a small injury. There was obviously no threat to a riot cop in full armor from an unarmed teenage girl, and it would have been easy for the cop to step away or use literally any other means to make her step away, but of course there was no inquiry and much of public opinion about it was the old "if you don't want police to do illegal things to you, don't do literally anything that a policeman might not like". The Flash-Ball launcher used in France has seen a lot more grievous injuries as well as a few deaths. The most recent non-lethal launcher used by both French and Quebec police is the LL06, and it's been linked to a lot of serious injuries in France but few or no deaths. I don't think there's been much about either injuries or deaths related to it in Québec, but France has had many more serious protests than Quebec over the last few years, and French riot police is particularly aggressive, so I think it's a combination of not enough data and French police being particularly bad at not harming people. When it comes to deaths caused by the SPVM, it's pretty much always plain old handguns in non-riot control situations. Riot police are very often unnecessarily brutal (they would probably consider it their job description) but very rarely deadly.

There is a reason why such weapon systems are called "less lethal" and not "not lethal". A lot of them can seriously injure and even kill people if used wrong and/or just very bad luck. Think about getting accidentely hit in the head with a rubber round, getting knocked out and being killed by the subsequent fall.

Honestly I can see how this could potentially kill someone but also how easy it would be to make it into something lethal. 37mm is plenty space to be creative.

It's still not as bad as the AR2, that has killed so many innocents and insurgents alike ever since the combine adopted it years after the 7hr war...

To be fair, old keys could be huge.

@@Plaprad as seen in the historical documentary series 'Kingdom Hearts'

That almost looked like a scene out of Blake's 7.

@@derekp2674 I was thinking Doctor Who...

@@derekp2674 slightly better production values :)

A lot of the plastic stuff from the 80s is harder and heavier than anyone would think at first glance.

It's nice to see acknowledge that this weapon is rather less-lethal than non-lethal as it still is potentially as such.

@@paleoph6168 a spoon is also less-lethal....

@@tarektechmarine8209 Point is, almost nothing is truly non-lethal. Especially anything involving an application of physics.

We were issued them in 1987, were they as bigger bag of shite then as we got…..ours had the early magazine release catch and it did seem to enjoy releasing early 😂😂

@@Beauloqs All we did was try them out on the range, we were actually fairly impressed with them as far as shooting and accuracy were concerned, might have had something to do with the fact that we were all used to just using iron sights and these new rifles actually came with an optical sight as standard, luckily I was a civilian again before they actually reached the RAF.

@@mrjockt Yes that's very true, I was accurate, we were very excited after the first day at the ranges......it kinda ended there

@@Beauloqs A big part of the L85A1s problems was durability of various parts (some critical), which would probably not have shown too much if those had been brand new guns which had barely been shot before. Possibly the guns could have been handpicked to make a better impression, I've heard of that being done a few times for the early SA80. For the rickety nature of the A1, I've heard they're all actually pretty accurate, so when the A2 fixed all the problems with the things constantly breaking, the rifle isn't half bad, even if it's heavy.

I bet Jonathan has access to some absolute gold in those video archives

For a second I actually thought they'd got Martin Shaw to film it in character as Doyle! It was the hair 😆

And honestly, even at fairly low velocities... you hit someone direct on in the head with one of those rounds and there is a depressingly high chance they'll die anyway.

Or you just fill it with explosives, leave it for someone to pick it up, and start a riot😂

Good pun!

Well hopefully they have raised her to be less lethal ;p

The Troubles in Northern Ireland mainly. British police don't generally use teargas or baton rounds... just hitting people with big sticks and these days tasers and pepper spray.

They originally called riot guns ‘non lethal’, but realised later they couldn’t claim that exactly…

It makes sense that a modified riot gun would be easier to get for criminals than a proper grenade launcher.

Remake aswell

@@jacobbearnson5874 the REmake had a hybrid gun, had a partial AR style receiver with the front of the Arwen

It's called that in the UK version too, weirdly.

There are some tins of mushy peas about the right size where I live. Less than lethal, not very tasty, but nourishing...

The payload would have to be very minimal at that point as to be ineffective. any effective exlosive fragmentation shot will weigh significantly more than any of the less lethal rounds, and with that youd need higher pressure to get the projectile to go anywhere. Or you just could build the shot into a thrown grenade, same difference at that point if you have to choose between usable range or usable payload. take the payload and just chuck it like a hand grenade.

@@LasOrveloz If you can get just 100m of range from the thing that'd be enough to work with, don't have to get too high pressure for that.

I was wondering that too. Unless making an effective high explosive would make the ammunition too heavy = requires more kick = chamber cannot handle it? 🤔

Maybe the origional prototype but not the later plastic fantastics, unless they are stouter than they look.

It doesn't have enough range to make those toxins useful to the guys firing them, but a persistent agent like Novichok, and the sense to stay away from where you fired, might...

Hence why it's called "less lethal" rather than "non-lethal" haha

Just about any successful less-lethal weapon can kill if misused.

I would say the projectiles are considerably harder than shit.