The Rise and Fall of Overwatch's Aim Gods 

@@Martin-pv4vb The "I can't take it anymore clip" and the widow maker clip were both reused almost immediately. I can't believe you can say shit like this with such conviction while being objectively blind and deaf.

@@Martin-pv4vb unlucky

@@Martin-pv4vb good on you man, I fuckin love when people are able to admit mistakes, we’re all human... at least most of us anyway :P

I mean they do this all the time

Welcome to the channel *plays olofboost*

Ya was about to say that too

But thats a good decision

Id say the core team was gr8 the problem was coaching. And in game decision

wait frl?!

@@VALTRY3K I disagree, NyXL is a very carefull Team with the most aggresive Flex Support in the league. I can show you countless examples where Jjonak just dies becauce of this lo they lose the fight

Yeah but in videogames that is more prevalent then in not video games so

Then Brig was like "lol u thought this was an fps."

@@nick-playercharacter8583 I mean it's not, even if brig was banned it would still be a first person moba. People just didn't know how to play the game back then lol

@oofmydude u highly disagree considering that the rank of T500/gm has degraded over the seasons a lot of good players left since the early seasons. Also considering he could roll the top tier in OWL. And if your saying OWL players don’t know how to play the game that’s a little concerning

@@jubbyj5054 what?? Players who used to be the best left and new players took their place, that doesn't mean that there are no good players left. The general skill level of the game has gone wayyy up and the game knowledge of pros and coaches is also way higher than it used to be

Burn blue baby!

Me

This video lost some of its relevancy now that mccree got buffed into top tier city and pine is back

Hitscans are back. Pine is back.

Also ans 😶

wait the voiceline continues after "its high nooUAGH" ?

same, good time

Only real issue is that Pine was good, but super inconsistent. Even in Season 1, he was kind of notorious for having some really insane games followed by one or two really mediocre ones. With the talent creep in OWL growing constantly, I doubt that inconsistency will be tolerated by any team that really wants to push for success.

@@blazefactor6849 If we are to believe that he had depression etc. (there's no reason not to) then we have no baseline for what level of consistency he should've had back then or what it is about to be now, because we know for sure that being down will make you have extraordinarily bad games regardless of how good you are. Sure it's a must for the best of the best to polish their play for consistency, but having up and down performances while under legitimate mental health issues isn't proper evidence of inconsistency, so we'll just have to wait for his reappearance.

@@blazefactor6849 wtd do you mean by talent creep? you mean people literally just getting better at a game overtime?

@@d4s0n282 Mainly that due to the influx of players from contenders, young and extremely talented players continue to make up more and more of the League. Since Season 1, the skill gap between the bottom of the League and the top has shrunk substantially, so there will be more really good players to compete with each other for the spot. Pine played during a time where Libero was considered the best flex dps in the League, and Nus was considered a top-tier main support. With players like ANS, Diem, and other crazy hitscans making a name for themselves, it's going to be a lot harder for Pine to put himself in position to be one of the best. (This is also why players like OGE are struggling to find much success, they're improving, but the level of average skill in OWL is accelerating faster than they can improve, causing them to appear weaker and weaker as players. They're not necessarily getting worse, but the skill in OWL is accelerating much faster.)

@@blazefactor6849 totally agreee, same thing is happening with jjonak

I got to meet him, he is a pretty cool person

Man that was funny, what Owl lacks most now is charisma.

I think he’s coming out of retirement

Watching Pine was an event. He was a specialized player and they didn't bring him out that much early on

Is Overwatch still doing good? I heard the esports and game is dying but 99% of the time I hear an game is dead they just overexaggerating

@@KidTrigger I enjoy it a lot, but it mostly does well in the east. Last OWL finals was the most viewed OW match ever.

@@KidTrigger It's fun to play still. Still has 10m active players a month so it's definitely far from dead.

hm??

@@Triantalex what

@@Ottstop hm??

Bruh watch the vid and stop commenting

This is their 2nd time

🧢 🧀

Burger flipper.

yes.

Did you see his stream today? 😂

lets farm my dudes

same, I miss it so much

OWL is better than s1 rn

Season 3 OWL was probably OWL at its peak.

@@Br.loc. The problem is that all the top names and the stars are already gone. Some stayed faithful, but they fumbled the growth so hard I'm not sure Overwatch can ever recover the traction it had.

@@vedpatil2353 right now for me the only team worth watching and the only one I actually like are the San Fransisco Shock. They're dominant and still have big names that are fun to watch, aside from that the rest of the league is kinda boring

XQC and Muma drama was spicyyyyy hahaha

@@7550Raul The dreamkazper drama oh no no no

@@7550Raul э́э

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@@leonid3909 dont forget the eqo drama

Played for yeaaaars ever since launch, I got burned out a month after eco came out idk why but the game doesn't feel as good

@yes yup, he posted an LFT on his Twitter about 2 months ago. Time to see if anyone picks him up

Wait, Overwatch is still not dead ?

@yes Season 3 just ended and season 4 is confirmed, but yeah it's not dead.

@@TheBlackfall234 It's probably in the best state its been in for 6 months now. You can play basically anything. ITs imazing,

@@bujurocks8188 no i cant, because if i want to play dps i have to wait 20 minutes in the queue.

I still doubt if he is going to perform well. he hasnt played pro overwatch in years and the thing he was good at was aiming not positioning or game sense. nowadays you have so many talented players with a great understanding of the game and incredible aim. I think its gonna be super hard for him but maybe Im wrong

Some characters would be thrown out the window in terms of balance, so Genji, Rein, Zen etc, characters who are already weak would be nerfed even harder because they rely heavily on their quick building strong ultimates to wins

@@Aureus282 really shows how bland overwatch heroes are.

They have a double problem to overcome. One with fucking the game up with Brigitte and one with fucking the company PR up overall

@@ceebee3083 brig is dead?

@@jessetheenderconchampion4559 Shes been hit by the nerf bomb thank god, not nearly as strong as she used to be

@@jessetheenderconchampion4559 shes definitely not dead lol her, zen and bap are the best supports in the game

either they drastically need to turn the game around and have people hype the game to make a comeback, or another game studio just needs to pickup where OW left off

lmao exactly what I was thinking

Double shield is not the absolute meta. There are alot more of Ball sigma getting run in contenders and top500.

Double Shield is overrated rn. We're in a transition phase where people are playing the old meta because they're used to it. In pro play people have mostly ditched it and are running Ball Sigma instead.

They take so long to make changes. I'd say blizzard not making changes real quick with goats killed OWL

Meh, ow players complain about everything, from dive to goat all from different roles, probably because the meta doesn't change for so long.

@Sebastian Ramirez yeah but they fixed that, also goats forced people to actually learn positioning and teamwork which has made the game more interesting even after it has been gone for a year and a half

@Sebastian Ramirez I mean I guess so man but everyone else who stuck with the game for those couple of months has been treated to a better game because of it for the last year and a half. At a certain point you have to recognize that it was fixed and move on lmao. I'm glad goats happened because it forced people to actually learn the strategy of the game which has made all the other comps better and more interesting

@Sebastian Ramirez also most of the people who complained about it were just fans not actual players and sure players got tired of it but they also get tired of every comp that stays around for more than a month or so

Raw model

Too true 😂

I assume you never played during season 1 or before comp mode. I remember people always spamming hi/hello and voice lines at spawn every single game and everyone seemed so friendly. The only time i've seen people get frustrated back then was when new players were getting owned by a bastion, because people doesn't know how to play against bastion yet

Ow has always been stressful but it was just less constant then it got messier and got to a point where a game or 2 could be enough to just turn it off

@@kawaiipotato6195 I used to do this. Like season 4/5. Lol

There are so many better hitscan rn, like Ans for example. Hitscan is the stronger role

I would love to see Pine migrate to Valorant, because with how that scene is growing I think the Big Boss could show his skill.

@@KatarHero72 just like spyder

Wow guys we have a new one here. Never heard that one before

@@infernaltotorow They hated jesus because he spoke the truth

true tho. they went from around 100k viewers during mid season to less than 20k

@@swamming Its 20k on RU-vid and 100k during the finals. It was 1.5m on all platforms because RU-vid didn't count in the Korean and Chinese viewers

@@luigiluigi4366 I knew those numbers were off but I didn't know by that much lmao

Season one was the most boring season because there are dps players and the league ONLY broadcasted dps players. They are soooooooo boring to watch. I’d rather play brig and play long team fights and focus on teamwork.

@@tmxmOverwatch you forgot to say Kapp

Season 5 was fun with dive comps

@@nycepark ikr

@@joelkim3371 Yeha dive comp was good. My favorite meats were dive and the bits can Emma

Still not best

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I do agree, but go back and watch some of the old VODs... The teamfights and Ult usages were a mess compared to season 3. Pine and other aimers thrived in the chaos, but I doubt they would have the impact pine did because the teams are so much better.

@@theshontman exact same thing happene with wow. First expansion felt amazing and so crazy and when you look back at videos from these eras its just a pure mess. Novelty getting old creates nostalgia and its hell of a drug.

@@_timetravels4528 yep, people are like "season 1 OWL was so amazing!".... Or maybe season 3 was also very good, but we have watched 200 matches since then, so it's not as novel. I have watched Overwatch for 5 years.... Honestly some of the classic matches everyone raves about from early years... Is just 12 people running in circles and noone looking at the Genji as he gets a 5k...

​@@theshontman pretty much. "ow s1 was the best" because everyone was bad, not because meta was good.

It did

@@xalted5207 I meant in season two or three.

its always been a hybrid

It's always been a moba lmao people just didn't know how to play back then pine wouldn't do very good against current teams even on the same patches from years ago

ikr, the community doesnt know what they want but they want it fixed.

I would usually agree, but the biggest drawback is that Blizzard is pushing it to be a competitive esport and being casual, thus alienating both. Though being for casual and being for competitive aren't mutually exclusive, there are a lot of elements on both of them that actually are. Extremely mobile Tanks, giant shields, and attacks requiring very little aim are OW's biggest problems (though there are a lot more) that are extremely catered to casuals that kind of ruin the experience for competitive play. Paladins actually kind of has a solution to this problem by having some sort of economy system in matches that allows you to buy some passives that can help in increasing damage dealt to shields, reducing healing effects against damaged enemies, and some other stuff. It's not necessarily completely balanced (because Hi-Rez), but the fact it exists has made the game's usual team composition more fluid and open to experimentation. Team Fortress 2 is usually what some of the older OWL pros would have preferred if only its competitive scene existed (I can't find the source anymore, but it was from Richard Lewis asking some pros). I think, if TF2 actually had an esport presence, then maybe OW could have focused more in its strengths (being a more casual game) than trying to cater to too many people, ending in catering no one.

@@DenyDenDenzel I completely agree. I was never saying a ow is a perfect game, I just thought that aim not being as important as other fps game isnt necessary only a bad thing. The main problem with the game is trying to make it both a very casual and very competitive game which just makes the game worse for both types of player

I mean it's a lot better since a lot of these changes

They did

Did them a long time ago

They already did.

Oh wow. Had no idea, thanks dudes.

you know why.

@@nsmoonwalk414 no why?

Basically 1 year + hahaha

Ah yes because being pinned down for 30 minutes straight in a game that exemplifies 3D movement is so fun to play

You need to have zero knowledge about overwatch to say stuff like this.

@@vedpatil2353 "being pinned down" - realistically, if youre good at the game, that doesnt happen. you go from cover to cover, you use shields, you strafe, there are any number of ways to counter it. a good widow may still kill you, but thats expected if its pine or whatever. the point is that she takes skill to use anyway. a silver probably wont do jack shit on her, while pine will probably destroy pro lobbies with 50 health and one shot before he has to reload.

@@arthurmuller3743 lol sure bud

@@vedpatil2353 They made shield meta for folks like you

Ya but not for the same reasons season 1 hitscans were. It's never going to be as simple as that.

@@pottyputter05 What reasons were those? (Sincere question.)

And ? what's the point ?? Sorry but I don't understand if quit something because I can't do what I do usually why should I come back MONTHS LATER ? If I want to eat something specific today I will cook to eat it, I will not wait next day to do it it will not be the same. Blizzard blow on that flame inside of me because of that goat meta, now just playing QP and Arcade 2-4 hours per week, they can add tons of new hitscans I don't care. Just waiting OW2 and we will see if it's "a fresh air" for the game, we will see if they will keep a good rhythm for the balance of the game.

She hasn't been meta for a decent bit now. She's definitely stayed quite good, but she hasn't been truly meta since double shield was still around.

@@crownysuccubus1524 because before it was about DPS being DPS but Ashe was meta for the past months because her dynamite could damage and charge her ult without having to worry about having to break shields first. It had nothing to do with aim mechanics being back as you were forced to play either sheild break, mirror, or something that allowed you to take different angles that negated the double shields.

But when back in the day you were complaining about Brigitte to be wrecking the game, you were "salty", "uneducated" and "just stay away from lul" I didn't even play flanking dps and I was sick of her the 2nd day.

Not really. He just mentioned bad metas. Dive was cool, you could play different heroes depending on the maps.

No he doesnt as they are the exact same thing, stacking one gameplay aspect till it breaks the game.

He really doesn’t, the fact they took so long to switch metas ruined the game.