The Rise and Fall of Peter Molyneux (All Parts) | Kim Justice

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The first of a few Kim Justice "box set" type vids. The Rise and Fall of Peter Molyneux, now all in one video! The four part story of the man who once was thought of as UK gaming's godlike genius with the games to back it up, and how over hyping and being quite economical with the truth got the better of him.
0:00 Part 1 - The Story of Bullfrog
44:24 Part 2 - The Lionhead Story
1:31:09 Part 3 - The Death of Lionhead Studios
2:19:55 Part 4 - Godus, and the Tragedy of 22cans
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@SEGAMasterSystemNerd 3 года назад

I’m born and bred in Guildford, worked for a small independent computer shop in Guildford town centre called Ultima in the White Lion Walk shopping centre. Peter and a few other Bullfrog members such as Alex Trowers, Mike Mann, Sean Cooper and Glen Corps used to come in often to check out how their newly released games were doing. In my time there it was games such as Magic Carpet, Syndicate and Theme Park / Hospital which hit the shelves.. and I as well as the other staff spent most days playing them.. those and Doom lol Lot of fond memories and I found the Bullfrog crew to be a fun enjoyable bunch.. I even did a spot of games testing for them in one of Les Egders (who I met) mansions in Forest Green.. think he owned most of it including the pub! One lunch he opened the garage on the property and drove out one of the JCB taxis from the Stallone Judge Dredd movie :) # fun fact - Ultima (as well as one individual member Rob) is given a shout-out in the opening credits to Populous!

@headerahelix 3 года назад

that's awesome

@dm121984 5 месяцев назад

What a fun story. I do wonder what it was like to be a developer back in the golden age of UK video game development of Bullfrog.

@jackdavis4657 6 дней назад

As a huge Lionhead/Bullfrog AND Judge Dredd fan (comics/rpgs/movies/games etc)... HOLY SHIT!

@hayesmaker64 3 года назад

Watched from start to finish. This is a great documentary on the Morrissey of video games. Thanks Kim!

@joedent3323 3 года назад

Bigmouth Strikes Again?

@111olbap 3 года назад

Kim's video game documentaries are BBC quality and deserve to be archived for future generations.

@K0r0n1s 2 года назад

Good comparison :-D

@krissymarklewis1793 2 года назад

Morrisey of video games, hit the nail on the head there mate!

@RUOK2000 2 года назад

@@joedent3323 lolll

@endymallorn 3 года назад

You have a really effective presentation style. Talking about a man as big as Peter Molyneux isn't easy - especially from the perspective of someone who is as obviously a fan as you are. But what I think carries it for me is your skill at foreshadowing, especially for those of us who, by accident or intent, followed this man's career as gamers. The time you take to let things dawn and let old memories take hold is effective - I really noticed it when you started talking about the lead-up to what Lionhead would do, because it reminded me of a conversation between my ex and I - she loved Black & White, I didn't - my gaming attention was on Populous II and Dungeon Keeper. At the time, we were kids, and didn't know that all of the games we were arguing about were from the same mind. Thank you.

@mercster 3 года назад

"Makes Farmville look like a friggen' Paradox game." I lol'd.

@notquiteretro5296 3 года назад

The original documentary was my introduction to this channel (it was Kimble Justice then). Now I’ve watched everything you’ve done. The nostalgia your videos evoke is immense. Love them to bits.

@matthewbanes6591 3 года назад

Wow! Me too! I discovered Kim Justice by searching for Peter Molineux documentary after hearing all the jokes in Larry Bundy's videos.

@notquiteretro5296 3 года назад

@@matthewbanes6591 I was just searching for a Fable retrospective and got sucked into the World of Justice. I especially love the stuff about 90s gaming ... and sensible soccer.

@volodymyrbilyk555 3 года назад

Same thing

@dvdv7777 3 года назад

Molyneux is fascinating because he isn't simply a con-man or a screwup. He is a complex combination of creative genius, con-man energy, charisma, and lack of self control. If his energy is channeled correctly, he creates games like Populous. If not, he creates games like Goddess. In other words: He is in *desperate* need of a strong, disciplined, business oriented counterpart who keeps him in check, lets him focus purely on creative stuff, and steps in when he even _thinks_ of going to the press and promising the moon. In some ways, it reminds me of how John Romero and John Carmack really needed each other. Just see what happened to Romero's Ion Storm studio when there was no Carmack to keep Romero in check.

@TalkingAboutGames 3 года назад

I think Molyneux never got over the "death" of his Tamagotchi.

@paralipsis 3 года назад

He shouldn't have named it "Rosebud"

@sandorclegane3658 3 года назад

"Where do you start?" That's an easy one, Kim. You see those trees? They're growing.

@garyfairhead3186 3 года назад

That documentary was absolutely superb!!! It must have taken you ages to produce something so in depth and professional as that. First thing I've watched of yours, thank you very much for doing it.

@PoutingTrevor 3 года назад

Wow, what an amazing amount of research presented in such a palatable way. Kim, you do incredible work.

@RobertHalvarsson 3 года назад

This is one of the best game documentaries on RU-vid. Well done!

@davekennedy6315 Год назад

These games studio documentaries are SO BLOODY GOOD that I've watched them ALL multiple times! And some of these are games that I never even played at the time, some I'd never even heard about. But as I grew up during those Bedroom Coder times I find the whole subject truly fascinating. Thank you Kim for the incredible amount of time, research and effort that it must take to do these superb documentaries.

@johnnynongamer4066 3 года назад

I love this series, Kim. Thank you for bringing it together in this bookended "boxed set"!

@xxnoxx-xp5bl 3 года назад

Peter Molyneux - his story begins with a sleazy lie. Suddenly the mystery of his reputation is less obscure.

@kicapanmanis1060 3 года назад

Thanks Kim for combining. I just rewatched the whole thing again.

@Shenaldrac 3 года назад

Pete, it's okay to talk about game concepts. No one's angry that you want to talk about things you're considering for games or ideas you have. People are angry that you present those things as though they are *already in the game* and as though they are on lock. People are angry because you *lie* about the state of the game and what they can expect from the product you are asking them money for. All you have to do to avoid this shit is to say "we're thinking about" or "one of our ideas is" at the start, and BAM! Plausible deniability when it doesn't end up in the game. People can understanding that kind of thing. But when you say "You will be able to drop an acorn and see it grow over the course of the game" that is a promise, that is you telling people it *will* be that way. That's why people hate you now, not because you have a ton of ideas but because you _lie to them._

@mamtorR 3 года назад

Nnbnnnjm no tednch

@mamtorR 3 года назад

No to 9111

@Hobbitstomper 3 года назад

A lot of the features he promised were actually implemented into his games but had to be removed as they caused unexpected issues which they couldn't solve in time for the release date. Many of his games were release due to the pressure of the publishers even though they weren't fully finished. Peter is an artist and not a businessman. He has a vision but often can't execute his vision within the time frame given to him. Godus is the game where he really screwed up, especially with the lack of communication to the community and the supporters along with the move to make it a mobile game. There's just no excuse to not communicate with fans, community and supporters.

@ALiberalVeteran 3 года назад

CD projekt red is the peter m. of our current generation.

@ALiberalVeteran 3 года назад

@@Hobbitstomper If he fucked anything up lets talk about his 5th symphony Fable. What ever TF fable 3 was, was a huge setback, dunno if it was out sourced or IP sold but that shit was a the start of a money grab IP with their dumbass knock off mobile app and a turd of a "pub game". It was an affront to the video game gods that blessed him with two actually fun games.

@Pato__YT 3 года назад

Wow, I just played a little bit of Fable Anniversary Edition, then got the urge to watch your brilliant Molyneux documentary again and now you've uploaded a complete version which makes it very convenient for viewing. Thank you!

@vgtheory 3 года назад

This documentary made for a great listen at work. I had previously watched the series a few years back, but it was super convenient having all parts edited together like this.

@ericanerny1771 3 года назад

Absolutely incredible documentary. Three hours - totally absorbing. Well done Kim !

@wolfie78 3 года назад

Absolutely fantastic work Kim. Really well put together, as always. And thanks for uploading it all together in one place!

@TheStuffMade 3 года назад

Of course nothing in this brilliant video is new to me as I've already watched your series on Molyneux, I still think he does deserve praise for all the pioneering work he did for video games.

@almurray2000 3 года назад

It’s crazy isn’t it. He’s such a talented programmer and literally invented the god genre. Yet he sabotaged himself again and again. Is 22 cans even still running?

@TheStuffMade 3 года назад

@@almurray2000 Well the latest news I saw on 22 cans is from a week ago and the headline says "Peter Molyneux's 22Cans hit with layoffs" so I guess it's technically still going but not doing great.

@ComedyBee 3 года назад

@@TheStuffMade they have significantly less cans now

@AcornElectron 3 года назад

Yeah but he’s still a bullshitting bellend. Started with bullshitting for free Amigas and continues unabated to this day. And yup, populous was bloody brilliant.

@whoiscuriousgeorge 3 года назад

Yeah as much as he was a pompous overambitious blowhard he spearheaded a lot of great games. Sadly all his BSing and inability to reign himself in caught up with him at 22cans. He killed his career, and sadly some of the collateral damage is he killed or at least tarnished the careers of talented people who had the misfortune to work with him.

@fundorgon 2 года назад

What an absolute belter of a video, thank you so much! Subscribed.

@magitek09 3 года назад

This has always been one of my favorite examples of your work, thanks for the compilation >3

@freakishuproar1168 3 года назад

This is awesome Kim! By far my favourite documentary series you created, now in one nice sit-downable "for one of those extremely dull days" format :D

@MCJdiz 3 года назад

This vid (series) is Perhaps the finest gaming retrospective ever made. Brilliant Kim, even watching this a handful of years later.

@JamesRBentley 3 года назад

An absolutely incredible documentary Kim, the effort and research that must have gone into it is breathtaking. Congratulations!

@H1KE 2 года назад

Absolute banger as always Kim! Love how in-depth you get with these!

@RUOK2000 2 года назад

Ooh I didn't realise there was a compilation of this... 4th time round we go! Thanks Kim

@devilhunter107 3 года назад

thank you for making this, this documentary was my introduction to your channel, and i've learned a lot more stuff from your videos since, great work :D

@melasn9836 3 года назад

Thank you for doing this! This was one of my favorite series you did, so it's great to have it all in one place. Any plans to do the same for the series you did on Jack Trammiel?

@Kim_Justice 3 года назад

Yes :)

@kicapanmanis1060 3 года назад

@@Kim_Justice looking forward to it Kim, you’re one of my favorite channels!

@deceiver444 Год назад

That was an incredible watch. Words fail me to express how fantastic this documentary is.

@160rpm 2 года назад

I was so hyped when they showed the Mylo stuff, seemed like truly next gen. And then never a word was said about ever again hahaha

@willeysingleton3057 3 года назад

These are the pieces you're born to do Kim.

@NettiGaming 3 года назад

Loved these videos so glad you are reposting ❤

@TheGiggadude 3 года назад

This was great Kim, it took a few days but I went start to finish. Despite his decisions he is absolutely a character deserving of such an investigative and comprehensive breakdown. Thanks for making one!

@Realmasterorder 3 года назад

You did it Again ! Your documentaries are really such an awseome work. As a gamer that lived in the Golden Era of video games,I have a very nice interesting and of great quality documentary to watch for a few nights now (i split em into a 2-3 parts )

@danieljacques5733 Год назад

This is one of my favourite RU-vid videos ever. Nice work KJ!

@tomaseriksson5430 3 года назад

This was so well done, amazing documentary

@baggerjanus 2 года назад

I love this era of games. Thank you for putting this together, stuff like this is what makes youtube great. ❤

@gepflegtePCSpieleKultur 3 года назад

Godus.... Is the Tombstone for Peter "Long Nose" Molyneux... A PC Game was Promised... A Mobile Game was delivered... And then it was thrown under the Bus... with the rest of Mr. Molyneux... Reputation... Bullfrog Games are timeless Classics and the greatest Amiga Portfolio of one Company.... Everything after that is a depressing Swansong... (Black & White still on my HD) Kudos for your Essay and the Walk Memory Lane... Cheers... be well, take care - Addendum 2:30:55 Miss him so much... as an honest Voice about the Gaming Industrie

@sergiocrowe9848 2 года назад

Excellent Series, cheers for uploading in a handy block, inspired me to rewatch :-)

@dextrodemon 3 года назад

remember you can play most of these old games in your browser now

@ComedyBee 3 года назад

If I close my browser window I'll lose my Premier Manager 2 game though

@verficationaccount 3 года назад

Dear Kim, thanks for all the effort that went into this. I am not even that invested in Molyneux or his games - but I found the story thrilling anyways. I usually don´t watch videos for longer than 10-15 minutes at a time but I binged through the first 90 minutes ;-)

@irkalla100 3 года назад

I hadn't seen this whole thing before. Found out about your wonderful channel a bit late. I love your work Kim.

@jacobyne 3 года назад

And here I am, waiting for Guru Larry to comment on this about his good ol' buddy, Peter Molyneux. No, seriously!

@nostalgiacreep 3 года назад

Watched it all before, watching it all again. Content for the ages, and a public service. KILLING IT

@acidarrow 3 года назад

Genuinely top quality analysis and information, fantastic work!

@shearali3048 3 года назад

Thank you for your efforts on making this *****. Totally enjoyed it

@pauligrossinoz 3 года назад

Your documentaries are sinfully great. *Thank you very much!* 😊👍

@Brass-Eye 3 года назад

I would like to see Peter, Todd Howard, and Sean Murray as a team on the BBC's 'Would I Lie To You'.

@xBINARYGODx 2 года назад

oh please - Peter is on one level way above Murray, and Murray way above Howard. Howard is, statistically, not far off from average developer/publisher - they all lie all the time (when talking to people/PR/etc.).

@Brass-Eye 2 года назад

@@xBINARYGODx 16 times the detail.

@iAmCodeMonkey Год назад

Add Chris Roberts to that list. You all know why ;)

@Megaspartan23 7 месяцев назад

And Randy Pitchford

@UNIRockLIVE 5 месяцев назад

Or just mAke a game

@octagonseventynine1253 3 года назад

Brilliant video. Thanks for the hard work.

@johneman9553 3 года назад

Never seen someone give Peter a fair shake. Great video you got a new sub.

@Rwirwi1 3 года назад

Good work Kim - very enjoyable. Thank you

@reddeadrelaxation5021 2 года назад

I really think your documentaries are excellent, Kim. Especially this molyneux one.

@tumppigo 3 года назад

This is crazzzzzzzzzzzzzyyyy! You produce gem after gem. Massive documentary after another. You must sell these to networks Kim!

@siturl5834 3 года назад

Your videos are awesome mate....and such a welcome distraction during this time! Cheers.

@KatalistProductionsKozzySasha 3 года назад

Amazing job on this video!

@CanwegetSubscriberswithn-cu2it 7 месяцев назад

Behold. The heights we all hoped RU-vid would attain. Great video. Hats off!

@whoiscuriousgeorge 3 года назад

By the time he got to 22cans, Molly Knew his days in the video game industry were numbered. 😬🤨 Or, Molly: The Godus of Feature Creep.

@aedanfiretiger Год назад

Stuck in a lockdown in Chengdu at the moment and watching gaming documentaries with a good pizza makes it easier to bear. Thanks for the great videos Kim 😎

@Miniike 3 года назад

oh HELL yea this is still some of my favorite of your work

@heart_of_a_daedra3649 3 года назад

Happy to see the amount of subs you’ve accumulated. Keep going Kim, 100k aint too far away!

@anduril38 3 года назад

Watched this in one go while sick from flu. A wonderful documentary :)

@professionalvillains134 3 года назад

I have now seen several of your videos, and would like to applaud your work! These in depth looks at games and studios that is not talked about much, are really well made and interesting. I am myself part of a two person "bedroom" game-team that is about to complete our horror game, The ER: Patient Typhon. As a danish team that has gotten a lot of inspiration from English media like Rare, Monty Tython, Rik Mayall, dma design and a lot of Amiga games from our childhood, that you cover so well here, it's cool to kind of learn ones owns "history". So a lot of respect to you! - John Professional Villains

@chrissre7935 3 года назад

I loved Peter Molyneux Games. They had that "Magic factor" I could not find in many other games.

@radicalbyte Год назад

His games from the 90s are so good. Loved the Magic Carpet, Theme Park and Syndicate I played to death. Black and White was a buggy mess on release which ruined the game for me. It was also the game where the bullshit was clear for everyone. He wasn't helped by the internet and didn't have protection of fawning zealots that Jobs did covering for him..

@metaphysicsste1558 3 года назад

I've watched this twice now and loved it, it's one of my favourite gaming documentaries I've seen. Have watched a lot of your series now and appreciate your efforts. Also maybe a valve or Gabe Newell documentary might be a good idea!!

@ClarkeeKat 3 года назад

Thanks for making this video, I was really bored and stumbled upon it

@bradydavis4666 2 года назад

My history with the Fable series... Fable 1 releases and I'm like, "Wait. This isn't like Peter Molyneaux described." Fable: The Lost Chapter releases and I'm like, "Wait. This is still kinda the same game...." Fable 2 releases and I'm like, "You did it again, Peter Molyneaux. You will rue the day." Fable 3 came out and I didn't buy it. My friend did and I was more sad for his loss of 50 bucks than anything else. In short, the Fable series sickens me.

@astraeanova4280 Год назад

This was a excellent review of the workings of Peter Molyneux and I watched it all without a break. It reminded me of some of my fav games like Dungeon Keeper I & II and Fable. thank you

@stingyringpiece 3 года назад

thanks kim Great as always

@paulashwin247 3 года назад

These long videos you make are really quite good indeed.

@tog2842 3 года назад

Nice one Kim, lovely stuff 👍👍

@Alex-sx8uz 3 года назад

oustanding work - brilliant as ever

@thesteammachinepodcast 3 года назад

fantastic video, brotha

@reallylionbastard 3 года назад

Thanks for this, really interesting video .

@PG-UK 8 месяцев назад

Great documentary from a fellow Southend-er! Just started watching your channel and your a legend mate! You have brought back my childhood!

@Omgtired 3 года назад

Great video, thanks!

@OneTyler2Many 3 года назад

I felt so old when you had to explain what a tamagotchi was.

@SupraBlack-dp4zz 3 года назад

God damn! Excellent work!

@kayfimt7769 3 года назад

Really good to find an in-depth, luxuriously detailed documentary like this on one of gaming’s foremost auteurs. Hope we see more.

@Retro_B8 3 года назад

One of my favourite documentaries by you ever!

@grantd165 3 года назад

Same here. Fair, even handed and avoids exaggeration and hysterical reaction.

@Retro_B8 3 года назад

@@grantd165 totally agree, I’d say for retro gaming documentaries it’s hard to find anyone who does it better!

@grantd165 3 года назад

@@Retro_B8 yep. I like the gaming historian but that's quite American focused. As far as my arc (commodore) Kim covers exactly what I'm interested in, especially the software houses from the 80s and 90s.

@grantd165 3 года назад

@@Retro_B8 just seen you post your own stuff too. I'll have a look at them mate.

@Retro_B8 3 года назад

@@grantd165 that’s how I found Kim’s channel, I’m a huge commodore fan and as you say for the micros and uk based then there’s no better! Ah thanks mate, only just really starting my journey but it’s fun to do and that’s what matters to me. It’s a good excuse to go in my shed and play old games haha!

@1megawhite 3 года назад

In a world with so much (perhaps too much) visually on offer. I enjoy these documentaries as much as anything on Netflix, Prime or the other umpteen channel's. Nice one Kim, excellent work.

@NinjaBusCow 3 года назад

I think he's going to be an interesting bit of gaming history, as well as a lesson. Very good video!

@aubreylore7134 2 года назад

Great video! Lots of good detail and solid explanation! No music with lyrics would have made it perfect.

@yy-hj4br 3 года назад

I remember watching the original videos trying to pass the time during a difficult summer Ramadan a few years ago. I'm happy to see how much your channel's grown over the years. Cheers.

@FeelingShred 2 года назад

Interesting coincidence that you talk about this, this past week I was researching what is Ramadan since a friend that spent time working in Qatar came back saying it was difficult. What are the most difficult things about it in your opinion? Isn't it just a matter of waiting for the night to arrive to be able to eat again? There must be other things that no one ever talks about.

@FeelingShred 2 года назад

But overall I found (from what I was able to understand through youtube videos) Ramadan to be relatively "easy" to get through, I mean it sounds like "please don't make noise, don't harass other people and don't be an asshole to others otherwise you will face consequences"... It seems to me like simple basic Civic Moral Code of Conduct that everyone should be following already LOL

@Thunderpuddle 3 года назад

To echo what others have said, this original series of documentaries introduced me to Kim's work and research. This is a great documentary and channel. Well worth a look and continued subscription.

@mBrajan 3 года назад

2:43:52 Bless you! ...continue edit: discovered this channel today and loving every minute of it, fantastic work

@batzraph708 3 года назад

From beginning to end I was gripped. Thank you for a great watch... My favourite game's have to be syndicate and unfortunately for some populous the beginning. Thank you Kim.

@matycuervito 3 года назад

Kim you are great. Love your documentary videos. Keep It going.greatings from Argentina.

@REgamesplayer 3 года назад

He had started his career as a con man. He ended his career as one too. There is a poetic beauty in this.

@suchaluch5615 Год назад

One of the biggest and greates documentations I've ever seen on a gaming/IT-topic. It's so *big* in every aspect - it should have ended on ARTE or other great TV stations. Thanks a lot for these insights!

@areallyboredindividual8766 3 года назад

Ah, the background lore of Guru Larry videos thoroughly explained. Beautiful. Jokes aside, excellent video, I could watch longform documentaries on the games industry all day.

@Simpliband 3 года назад

those videos are the one that got me into your content! great stuff! (y)

@ManuelSchulte007 3 года назад

Vanitas vanitatum, PM seems to me a lot like all those guys that albeit talented, got lucky but couldn't help pushing their luck even further until they met their downfall... that they crafted with their own hands... People like Napoleon, like many others. History is full of similar fates. As you say it is a bit tragic. One would be tempted to feel sad for him and on the other hand he deserved every inch of it. Nice documentary, Thanks!

@Funnylookingape 3 года назад

Your documentaries are great.

@Morbos1000 3 года назад

At first I was disappointed that you didn't do a 2021 addendum to catch us up on the last 5 years. Then I looked into it myself and it seems like almost nothing happened aside from one new game announced (in 2017) and some layoffs this month. Makes it all the much sadder.