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I love oshii so much so that's something I'd absolutely go crazy over. It would be awesome if you went into some of the live action films he worked on too like Avalon
@@Stevem Ha, ok, but like, there's a band named Katabasis, and multiple bands who have done a track named Katabasis, and I haven't found the one you used yet, lol.
I don’t even know if you can say it fell off if it won Anime of the Year over Demon Slayer and Attack on Titan. It was big, everyone watched it, more anime came out. We aren’t going to watch the same anime over and over again until we die. There’s more to see.
I don’t even know if you can say it fell off if it won Anime of the Year over Demon Slayer and Attack on Titan. It was big, everyone watched it, more anime came out. We aren’t going to watch the same anime over and over again until we die. There’s more to see.
No it does not. We have an oversaturation of the genre in media, and the genre itself has been appropriated by the kind of organisations that it speaks against.
There was an old 90's American animated show called Spicy City that came out in 1997. It was on HBO and was created by cult American animator Ralph Bakshi (Fritz the Cat, Wizards, American Pop, Lord of the Rings, Cool World) and was all Cyberpunk. I remember one episode being about two people meeting in a virtual space who fell in love but were complete opposites in real life. They ended up dying but had their memories and souls kept alive in the virtual program. Very cool stuff even back then.
After reading this comment I watched all of Spicy City, it really is cyber punk of the hood. I find funny how an episode like "Manos hands" is played out, a Japanese animation with that same story line would have been more existential. In spicy city its just a mafia misadventure hahahaha
His recent anime series The Fire Hunter had epic worldbuilding and characters but was tragically under-funded and the inconsistent animation art and frequent use of still images shows. Still worth a watch IMO
@@hitachicordobait wasn't technically his but he had a part in the production it was an adaptation but one without a production committee hence why it was a fairly limited show
@@Stevem that's interesting info, it was only anime worth watching last year, it was somewhat convoluted but enjoyable (it's hard to find relatable anime when you're in the late 30s, like I don;t want to wrap myself up in the nostalgia cocoon and on the other hand, I'm not teenager anymore and there's full blown up war right beside the border)
Fantastic video as always. I think the appeal of cyberpunk even beyond the detective noir is that one can take a true story and apply fictional/fantastical elements to emphasize the bleak reality. Thanks to its future setting, unlike fantasy which is usually set in the past, this seems plausible and we are more receptive of it. I recently watched Dennou Coil and loved it. And at the time (2004 methinks?) I think the glasses could have been an imagining of if we were actually able to fit a computer on our head and the addiction of computer usage which I think was already there in 2004. Of course there are many other themes, but I want to point out that the cyberpunk element takes something real (computers) and imagines it as future technology. Surprisingly today, there are genuine attempts in AR technology. I suppose that most of these hyperreal anime genuinely try to warn us of something based on the roots that the creators see taking place.
@@Stevem the closer our reality comes to that dystopia, the more people prefer to be isekaied. Also, waiting for a let's play of metal gear 3 delta, when it comes out :)
@@lupinsensei7456 I was just thinking about that. Theres like 2 constants.... 1. the big trend at the time actually sucked, but 2. in the context of things, makes perfect sense. The 90s were a period of explosive experimentation following a period "complacency" for lack of a better word. The "Punk" in Cyberpunk being the embodiment of postulations for technology upsetting the norms of a stable, but arguably stifling period in history. Now that technology, despite still advancing at a rapid pace, its creating a new form of cultural stagnation. Fantasy is escapism; hopeful at best, toxic at worst. Popular in times of strife. Science Fiction, and the various punk sub-genres, are often cautionary in nature. Hopeful at best, prophetic at worst. Popular in times of stability, when we don't know what to do with ourselves. So color me surprised when the top 2 anime for this year are Slice of Life Fantasy anime, both being a direct response to the trend of isakai power fantasy. I can easily see this coming full circle back to SciFi again, when we're done wishing for the presumed simplicity of fantasy settings (see cottage core).
youtube might be flagging trying to explain but the short of it is it's in the second half of the series in the japanese version as the dub removed any mention of it for obvious reasons
It's boring asf I tried watching it so many times cause everyone's going on about it being a masterpiece. Like it looks beautiful and has nice composition but that's about it in my opinion
You’re always outdoing yourself on every video man. I don’t think it’s about how good it does viewer wise (even though that does majorly help) but the amount of time & energy you put into every topic.. it’s astonishing. You are an inspiration & I’m not even working in the same field 😅
your videos are incredible, I love the way you narrate and how you manage to put a bunch of information in such short videos (I know for some 35 mins may seem like long in nowadays internet but these are complex topics that cover more than 40 years of history, sumarizing that in 35 minutes is definitely hard). Keep it up!! When I find a new job I'll join your patreon!! (Nowadays the argentinian peso is pretty fucked up to pay monthly in us dollars lmao)
I’ve used your videos like a quasi fine arts survey course over the past couple years; the ones you select are in my opinion; are usually the best entry into that genre. The first anime I picked to watch at the age of 30 was Knights of Sidonia; that was a few years ago. Just wanted to say your efforts are much appreciated. You always have a few that I haven’t seen yet; and they’re always worth checking out.
Knights was my first anime too! Also around 30. I really liked it at first, but then it got just… super weird about women. By season 2 it felt like a harem thing and I had to just check out. A shame it didn’t stick to such a compelling premise instead of… what ever it became
Saying cyberpunk is dead is the same as saying the mobster genre in cinema is dead, or rock/punk/disco is dead. The aesthetic may be a husk because the original values don’t translate anymore in relation to our reality. That doesn’t mean it’s dead. Rock is still around, in very different clothing (Strokes latest album) and message (IDLES entire discography). The same will happen to cyberpunk.
@@justinfrancis2644Idk, we didn’t even get the cool neon cities or useful cybernetics. Some rich jerk can unlock his door with his palm, that’s about it. We just got the dystopia
@@piedpiper1172maybe we’re on the way to AI entities… we also have very nice tech like smartphones, drones, VR, (almost) self driving cars… and all very disposable… let’s not forget the megacorporations ruling our fate
You mean a rerelease, or is there a very ill advised live action remake looming that I haven't heard of? I say "ill-advised" because, while I love that anime movie, and, yes, there are ways to adapt it successfully, I very much doubt anyone with the money needed would be interested in doing it justice. :)
@@Stevem I love how the series elaborates on an idea that beyond our understanding of the techology there is a layer of supernatural. (A bit like Dimension W, a sci-fi manga/anime)
im sorry but this is really shallow. i feel like its structured like a youtube-speedrun-history or something. you look at a best of cyberpunk-list, say a little bit about every big hit and the 3 people everybody knows the name of, thats that. the part about hyperreality and philosophy didnt actually clarify anything about the philsophy. the video made it sound like hyperreality is just a synonym for virtual worlds bleeding into the "physical world". the actual themes of japanese cyberpunk remain mostly untouched, its all just "this exists and this is its colour palette". why does baudrillard state the end of history or foucault the end of humans? does that ACTUALLY relate to genocidal organ? nevermind no time, its all in the virtual i guess. this video is a really practical exercise in mistaking language tropes for content.
@@Stevem sure, thanks for trying also. no offense intended, i just really think that when meaning, motifs and philosophy are brought up, you are sort of expected to follow though
Ridley Scott was in Hong Kong a few months before starting to work on Blade Runner. The rainy dark city is really LA in a not too far Future. I remember the influence of Japan in the early 80's. The future was dirty and worn in Scotts's vision.
Some woke American journalist: Asian depiction in cyberpunk media is racist and bigoted! Japan: this is literally us And yes I do remember reading some article in Kotaku where they were criticising Cyberpunk2077 and the cyberpunk genre for always using Asian inspired cities as backdrops for cyberpunk dystopias.... Not taking into account that if you're looking for reference for a futuristic city, you're going to go to places in the world where the cities indeed look futuristic, and many such cities exist in Asia, Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore, Shanghai etc.
Your probably the first RU-vidr I've ever heard mention Malice@doll! I picked that up a few years ago from a CEX, not knowing anything about it. But when I saw that Chiaki Konaka worked on it (Serial Experiment Lains, Armitage III, Vampire Princess Miyu etc) I was immediately intrigued. Have to say it's quite the underrated, misunderstood and trippy gem. I think some people may have criticized the ps1 looking animation, until you realise they were actually playing into the limitations of CGI at the time to create a kinda Stop-motion-esk CGI look, that seems appropriate given the setting and the Androids being in states of disrepair - thus their clunky walks etc. Definitely an animation worthy of discussion. Great video, I enjoyed watching! :)
@@Stevem oh awesome! So kind of like Jan Svankmajer's "Alice" from 1988(?) The stop motion in that was sure unsettling. An oh right okay, I did notice more of a drawn look towards the end of Malice@doll, especially some of the close-ups, and the end sequence where she is flying away, looked visually fantastic. Never knew thats how they pulled it off though, and great to see them trying to innovate like that. I'd love to see a high resolution version.
@@AniFAE_Productions there's a dvd version but that's a question i suppose it all depends if they still have the masters and files from the show or not if so they could rerender them out at a higher res if not making a hd version becomes a bit tricky
I feel like you touched on this briefly but watching this and noticing (now that you brought it up) the significant drop in cyberpunk anime it really does fell like maybe one of the big reasons we moved from cyberpunk is because we've already reached and to a degree surpassed the genre and its a nostalgia... but not for the 80's genre but for a time when we could look at this fantastical dystopian future rather than the disappointing dystopian reality we're stuck in. Like if medical costs are so exorbitant I really need a street doc the least I can get is cybernetic arm out of it, but no - all we get is Canadian insulin
Good video, but the truth about cyberpunk is that its true backbone lies not in media but in the TTRPG. Some periods will be more lively than others, but as long as the TTRPG keeps thriving, the genre as a whole will survive.
TTRPGs are a particular niche for those interested, but they aren't exactly the cultural centre of which where the genre formed so it didn't really seem worth mentioning here too much
Really cool video. I’ve been developing my own cyberpunk project for a few years now, and I love videos like this that give context to the genre, both so I can pay homage to the greats while avoiding ground that’s already well tread
masterpieces don't make a genre, there's a lot of factors that effect how many or how relevant a genre is, we are still seeing good works coming out in the genre at least.
@@Stevem this is what I am talking about. How can an entire IDEA fall and die??? It is an IDEA. It is immortal as long as somebody reiterates upon it and makes works related to it.
@@Stevem Yes, and??? FALL implies that it does not exist anymore. Gotta learn what those catchy algorithm friendly formats imply, my dude, before you copy them from famous content farmers.
I've seen and read literally every piece of media in the genre. I have played the TTRPG almost every week of my life since like 2018. I'm fucking desperate for more
i feel like cyberpunk anime went crazy from the 80's-90's and then fell off the face of the earth and then edgerunners came out of fucking nowhere and now we're back to the cyber-drought
its interesting if you look at the popularities of genre in different regions, its often tied to the current economic states of those countries. Things like the classic monsters like vampires, zombies, and wear wolfs rotate in popularity, even things like cyberpunk, sci-fi, phantasy, horror, they are all cyclic, though I would make the argument that cyberpunk never truly fades away during the other cycles. Its always there, being what it is, repressed but never quite out. Your right in saying that it serves as a warning more than anything else, and often times its a warning not headed as we drive seemingly head long into it.
Make a 3 hour video like IPOS exposing your breadtuber self. That intro about the orient was so cringe 😂 Yeah this video about cyberpunk, I totally want to be blasted with leftist ethnic politics in the first minute. Breadtube can’t analyze a thing to save their life, you people always have the worst takes.
There were many cyberpunk influences before Blade runner came out in 1982. Metropolis is, for example, classic cyberpunk, except it was not called that and, sort of, it ended well. Closer to what we understand as cyberpunk is the French comics which were popular in the 1970’s and which resulted in the movie, Heavy metal in 1981. The 2nd story in the movie, Harry Canyon, is a classic high tech, low life story. This in turn was based on The Long Tomorrow by Mobius, which was first published in 1976 in the magazine Metal Hurlant.
the genre was only coined as a term in 1980, Metropolis is a very influential scifi work but i can't say it's part of a genre that hadnt been formed yet, also I do bring up The long tomorrow in this video i'm pretty sure which is defo a place of influence visually that cyberpunk works took from self admitted
Everyone has already augmented their bodies. Well, silly little me thinking I was the first to realise that smartphones have become so integral they may as well be considered an implant. Ofc Japanese saw that first.
Thank you.. this video is so amazing.. seeing all the anime listed took me back to my childhood.. in the UK, anime in the 80's and early 90's was such a small niche genre, I was absolutely addicted and would try and get my hands on as much as possible.. I wonder whether there could be a cyberpunk renaissance.
When you were talking about Lain, which I still haven't seen, I wondered if you would mention Den-noh Coil. I only watched it last year but was surprised how many of its concepts are now pretty much available in VR and AR. I really liked its darker undertones, and how the soul or mind could be locked in a digital world, only for the body to be left as an empty vessel in the real world.
Japanese Cyberpunk being heavy on the 'cyber' and lighter on the 'punk' is really its defining feature. Cynical views of the future were definitely common, Masamune Shirow's manga deal heavily with the future degenerating into a worse state than the present. Appleseed is post-apocalyptic, with a fake Utopia that is torn down into just another nation-state by the protagonists. Ghost in the Shell accepts corporate states will become more and more of a thing, and has a very cynical-realist view of politics and society. But neither takes an anti-government and anti-capitalist stance. There aren't any heroes, rebels aren't actually much morally better than those in charge, they're just opposed to them. Nations are greedy, and their agents are amoral. Overthrowing capitalism is pointless, as it won't actually change anything. Him, just as a representative example. The future sucks, but it isn't going to be saved by a revolution. While some early works like Burst City are definitely made by punks and rebels for punks and rebels, that definitely died down early across the Pacific. Even later Akira lost that rebel aesthetic, despite starting as a work by someone heavily involved in anti-governmental politics. I don't think that this makes Japanese cyberpunk less valuable than American cyberpunk, in a way I view it as more mature because it escapes the childish contrarianism of American rebellion culture or the over-simplified anti-capitalism commonly associated with it.
Well in Japanese Live action throughout the 80s & 90s that punk mentality was a defining feature which did loosen over time, but yeah shirows work has a specific angle in that, but it's not like they arent about rebels but more so theyre about the people who shoot them.
I'm always impressed when anyone references Malice@Doll, stumbled across it years ago around 2005 and no one I talk to has ever heard of it before and describing it is like describing a horny fever dream so its always hard to sell them on it.
-please, give me double the likes, then I'll make some patreon excluives... Disliked. Also, I suspect that most patreons don't really care about exclusive content, and most non-patreons are unlikely to be swayed by exclusive content. Personally, exclusive content makes me substantially less likely to support a creator. Early access is fine. Exclusives are fine if they are exclusive because they wouldn't be allowed on youtube or other public platforms.
the series isnt going to be patron exclusive, I'm not sure how you got that out of what i was saying, there's just a few exclusives videos i'll be making to give back to the community and those that would like to see said videos
I'm in my late thirties. Just about old enough to have gotten to experience the cyberpunk genre as a cool, but somber warning of the future, to it becoming irrelevant due to our civilization speedrunning into becoming just that kind of dystopia.
I worked part time at a video store in the early 90's. Manga was being marketed to video rental throughout the U.S. and the tie ins with comic books announced when Cyberpunk films would hit theatres. Believe me, the producers knew what markets they were going after. The response from the public was predictable, but product had a hard time keeping up with demand. I had to travel from Rochester, N.Y. to Cleveland, Ohio just to see the premiere of AKIRA. And that was shown at a planetarium. Very cool ! Later on new companies started handling distribution to get product into the hands of customers.
that sounds quite nice, to watch the film is a planetarium, but yeah they also knew what they were doing over here they actively insighted some controversies for publicity
😂😂😂 ayo. I KNOW a guy that made me listen to that dang Cyberpunk ost bc the anime dropped and they messed w it. It's a good song for sure but I'm not even a fan of the IP
it had a small role for sure though maybe overstated in some ways, dallos sold something like 8k per volume, which was much better than they might have expected though the real move to ova doesnt happen until 85
@@Stevem True. I mostly meant that it was one of the first to try the OVA format. I get that it’s not as polished or interesting as the stuff he put out over the next several years, but I think it first establishes some of the themes and tropes he explores in his later work.
The 2023 French Mars Express film, made by the team behind LastMan S1, owns a lot to the cyberpunk anime of the 80s to 00s. An easy recommendation but packs an insane amount into under 90 minutes. Surprised that Texhnolyze or Ergo Proxy were MIA but you can´t name them all.
yeah it hasnt been released here yet, basically yeah you cant name them all i had plenty of examples i didnt really know where theyd come in outtside i think i gave a visual example to texholyze becasue of the writer
@@Stevem About half of LastMan is set in a cyberpunk future. S2 ends right before the main comic begins, Image has 66% of the volumes translated so far into English but we Germans got it way earlier. It's one of the bleakest and most violent animated shows ever with the main villain basically becoming French Griffith in S2. The comic is less dark (still edgy AF later on) and has a legit cyberpunk aesthetic whereas the show is more post-cyberpunk. S3 is in the works.
@@Stevem Jérémie Périn directed S1 of Lastman and the DyE: Fantasy music video that got his foot in the door a few years ago. S2 had to change up creatives due to Mars Express eating half the staff but S2 looks better than S1. One of the eps in S2 is a Running Man parody, well not really. It plays is straighter than the film despite the heavy satire. Another ep was basically Primal as a New French Extremity horror film with Genocyber levels of gore. The weebs don´t know what they are missing. The 8.5 on IMDb ain´t no lie.
I love how so many works of fiction in the past just assumed there's going to be WW3 with nuclear weapons and built on top of that. There's rarely any dwelling on the how or why, it just happened and we moved on like nothing happened.
Long time fan of the genre, read lots of novels and I have a nice collection of cyberpunk anime, you got a new subscriber right here...by the way I respect someone who remembers Armitage III
cyberpunk is dead, cyberpunk:edgerunners was one of the last breath this genre could ever take edit: as you said we are now living in the dystopian cyberpunk ourselves
Some other anime's which fit into the cyberpunk genre is Ergo Proxy (2006), UnGo (2011), AEon Flux (1991), Darker than Black (2007), Girls last Tour (2018) and Psycho Pass (2012).
