nostalgia and generational divides?? MY FAVES! Hope y'all enjoy today's episode. For some engagement bait... plz do share your old fav early 2000s shows lmao :-)
Proof i'm late gen-X because I was born in 1983. Not a milenial. Milenial you were under high school level during the Clinton scandal. You were under college during the 9/11 crisis
@8:40 the Penn & Teller NOSTALGIA episode is amazing and talked about the perspective of Beat and baby boom generation dudes... for post-Gen X era TV. It is quite fun to this day.
One show I loved that I don't see get mentioned a lot is As Told By Ginger. I also loved Ned's Declassified but when I was a kid, I didn't know anyone else among my friends who was watching it! And of course I liked Lizzie McGuire, while That's So Raven was probably my favorite. I generally preferred female-led shows, so I never got into Even Stevens.
@@crystallewis5902ugh LOVED rewatching this!! I finished a couple months ago. I had no idea it was on paramount+ and that show was the only reason I signed up.. I had been looking for it for so long!
I’m Gen Z and I feel like people forget that us older Gen Z basically had the same childhood as younger Millennials but I was OBSESSED with That’s So Raven and Hannah Montana as a kid. 😭♥️
Millennials didn't watch Hannah Montana, y'all are Gen Z stop trying to be us. Millennials can actually remember the year 2000. Also all of this is said in jest bc like who cares? Millennials love Gen Z y'all can totally join us, come on in.
Generations are a pointless walk of grouping people in an age bracket for completely arbitrary reasons. Someone being born a year earlier or later apparently changes your whole outlook and life experiences accordingly to the internet. It’s just dumb.
Millennials did watch Hannah Montana. What is this person talking about?? 😂 They must mean older millennials, because I'm 30 now and people my age at that time were definitely still watching Disney channel
Gen Z here. Yes. We're very similar, especially politically. There's a separate microgeneration called "Zillenials" that are the Independents of generations, they're too young to be millennials but too old to be zoomers, and they're typically born between 1993-1996 (roughly). I'm not one of them, though.
Many child stars are still alive: Drew Barrymore, Janet Jackson, Brooke Shields, Ron Howard, Tatum O’Neal, Jerry Mathers, Keisha Knight Pulliam, Joey Lawrence, Melissa Gilbert, etc. and have spoken about their experiences
@user-ny2fk9gm1k I feel Hollywood's got a long way to go and weird shit still happens. But I also think in the age we live now, us regular folks actually give an ear and listen to their experiences instead of brushing shit off or just blaming them for abuse. Mostly cuz social media and anybody will put someone on blast.
I think the biggest difference between the nostalgia for millennials and older generations is that fewer millennials have kids to share these things with. No one bats an eye at someone sharing their favorite childhood toys and movies with their kids. It's exactly the same amount of indulging in our own childhood nostalgia, the difference is that the millennial Disney adult doesn't have a kid to share the magic with so they just do it with a friend instead.
Exactly! You don’t stop loving the things you loved when you were a kid just because you’re an adult. You just love them differently. Especially if they literally helped you get through your childhood with your sanity intact. Harry Potter was that for me and idgaf if ppl think it’s weird that I still love it as an adult. It got me through SERIOUSLY hard times when I was too young to even begin understanding how to process the trauma. Can’t wait to share it with my future kids, but I’m not gonna stop indulging in it just because I’m grown and don’t want to be judged by the assholes around me. People should just let ppl live and love the things they love. As for “Disney adults” soOo many of them didn’t grow up with enough money to ever visit Disney world…so they indulge in it now as adults because they can. What’s wrong with that? Who is getting hurt? The idea that you need children in order to enjoy these things again is alienating af. Some ppl can’t have kids or just don’t want them.
I feel this so much. I grew up going to disney world, it's was like a third home, am I going to stop going because I'm in my 30s and single? Also, food and wine in epcot and halloween horror nights in universal is definitely not for kids. So I go with friends, or this year my younger brother for his 21st
Thanks for this thoughtful reflection! It's been so powerful to read everyone's perspectives after they watch Dear Hollywood and learn what's happening behind the scenes. I'm excited to share our action plan to shift the industry in the season finale (in a few weeks).
@@tiffanyfergI really like Alyson Stoner she’s my childhood crush and favorite child actress and actress at all ever her and the Olson twins particularly Ashley
I wonder if it's because our childhood had such a quick increase in technological advancement that we as a generation feel subconsciously that the transition from child to adult was too quick for us to process
Yeah that’s what happened dog with a blog (never seen it) and shows after 2011, started to use technology as a filler instead of talking about hard topics for human growth for teenagers they focus highly on how teens are advancing with tech
Definitely, children are not supposed to have access to the entire world in their bedrooms. We got screwed. We were like ginea pigs and are suffering the consequences. I hope people learn and keep the next generation safe
not to mention total political instability on a global scale and resources becoming an issue year after year with climate change. Everyone is on edge all the time. Even basic human interaction can be hostile as after 2020 people became deeply isolated and socially declined.
@@idontevenknow9758 and that so many millennials explore their childhood traumas with therapists! I would imagine the childhood nostalgia serves as a nice counter balance for bringing up those unhappier childhood memories.
When I was in college, my acting class actually had Ned (Devon Werkheiser) come talk to us one day. It was really clear that being a child actor and existing in that environment messed him up. He talked about feeling like he was the reason for his parent’s divorce, how in love he still was with Lindsay, and how he struggled to get work for many years after the show, even after deciding to stay in the tv/film world. I will say he was still stuck in the past, maybe a trauma response, but he was incredibly petty about arguments he had 15 years ago, and how jealous he was of David Henrie and other Disney actors who got more opportunities than Nick stars. From an acting standpoint, he went on about some acting coach he swears by, and how he only believes in one method, and it was kind of a slap in the face to people getting theatre degrees, so me and all of my friends kinda feel weird about all the new stuff coming out with him now.
As a member of Gen X, I lived through the boomers obsession with their nostalgia - American Graffiti, Happy Days, Lavern & Shirley, Grease, etc. Don't let the older generations tell you that millennials and Zs are too nostalgic!
Thank you! Boomer nostalgia was EVERYWHERE when I was a kid! And I would say they are still a very nostalgic generation, always comparing the past to present. I can't tell you how many Beatles & rock & rock history movies, plays, and tribute shows I watched with my dad. But now millennials are old enough, we are the target demographic for nostalgia marketing that targeted our parents as kids. It's not new at all, it just looks different with the internet.
Thank you for saying this! I always appreciate older people humbling their generation by reminding them they were not perfect at that age either. I truly believe millennials are so maligned and pettily criticized is because they're the new young people for old people to be afraid of. A lot of people love to get paranoid about the newest thing especially if kids love it.
Thank you lol my parents are gen x & my dad still watches Star Trek almost every night, and my mom still watches the young and restless every day Lmaoo 😭
Older Gen Z (‘99) with a younger gen Z (‘05) brother, and I would say that Gen Z is the last generation that had these unified cultural touchstones. Streaming was picking up, but any children’s shows etc I and my youngest brother all watched on cable TV
Though it is very different now, my 8 year old daughter is def having these unified culture touchstone type experiences with her friends. She picks up on what others like to watch and there are definitely still popular shows that impact them, like bluey, trolls, even Ms Rachel for the toddlers lol to name a few. They are “universally” known to an extent.
I think it’s great they are all coming out and sharing their experiences. It seems many of them have deep trauma as from being their family breadwinners at such a young age.
I hope that by their experiences coming to light it will help us develop protections for new media child stars. Kids of family vloggers, child influencers and the like have even fewer protections than child actors did.
I recommend listening to Jeanette McCurdy’s book because she narrates it. And she does a wonderful job. She just sucks you in and you can’t stop listening.
Yes. In the 2010s my greatest generation grandfather received a monthly magazine that existed purely to reminisce over the shared childhood experiences of his generation, full of candid photos. I saw a Halloween issue and it was all about costumes, party games they would play, bobbing for apples, to go along with anecdotes of people’s memories.
The almost Lizzie McGuire reboot is a really interesting case study of all these themes. I was here for it and it definitely had to do with the nostalgia of it all but I didn't want to see that exact same Lizzie.
yes!! I was excited about that one, I'm bummed it fell through! I think the cast wanted some evolution and to make it truly "grown up" but Disney didn't agree
Jennette McCurdy's book (and the other stuff that came out about Dan Schneider) changed my view on iCarly/Victorious/etc. forever. Hearing what Jennette went through during her time on set and in life just broke my heart and made me so angry that it was played off so easily on TV. We really truly don't know what's going on behind the scenes and that's so scary. I still cannot and have not rewatched iCarly or any old Nick shows because of these things!
I agree 💯 it’s hard to watch my favorite shows because of all the things and trauma that happened on set. It sucks that they went through that. It’s interesting to see both ends of it, how on one side we have an audience who really enjoyed the shows and on the other side we have child stars who were not protected, and thus occurring at the same time
I notice on TikTok people can be so mean about these reboot podcasts so I really love this take! People forget these celebs are still humans trying to make a living for themselves.
Older Gen Z (1999) here. I feel like a lot of times Millenials forget us older Gen Z relate a lot with stuff like not having access to the internet we do today, therefore having to watch cable tv. I remember growing up with shows like That’s So Raven, The Amanda Show, etc. It’s weird but cool at the same time to think two generations can be so close in shared experiences yet so far in consciousness of one another’s existence in having said shared experiences, based on the oldest members of one, compared to the youngest members of the other, if that makes sense
I think a lot of the Millennials online do that because they're generally the younger ones that are much closer to Gen Z. I'm '94, but I never see my older Millennial cousins engaging in the same content. In fact I know they didn't, because when I bring it up they just talk about how young I am. When we talk about shows and media, I have either no memory of what they liked, or a very foggy one. There's a few things I think we both liked, but I caught them on reruns or on the tail end of their popularity. But I think that's generally the loudest group of Millennials online. We're just not actually that different from Gen Z, because we're about the same age as them and much closer to them than the older Millennials.
I'm 2001 and consider myself to be older Gen Z, the Internet wasn't that big and I grew up with TV, from the UK but did have Disney and Nick as well as our UK Cbeebies, CBBC and Citv (RIP) I genuinely didn't get social media or start using RU-vid till I was around 13 which would've been around the mid 2010's whereas my brother who was born in 05, missed out on that Hannah Montana hype and was on RU-vid at a much earlier age, though we have soke cross over he doesn't remember a good chunk of stuff I do because despite us both being Gen Z the rapid growth of the Internet, social media and RU-vid hit him whilst he was in primary school whilst I was already in high school 😅
because SO much changed in just a few years so it does make a huge difference. you will never understand how drastically different the late 90s were from the early 2000s.
I'm a Xennial and feel closer to older Millennials than older Gen-X. The X/Millennial nostalgia landscape feels so different than Zennial nostalgia does.
My theory for while millennials have been so aggressively shamed for nostalgia is jealousy. In the time of our parents and grandparents, it was expected that you drop all your "childish" interests as soon as you turn 18, get a job, start a family, and work yourself into the grave. Culturally, I think it's become more widely accepted to hang onto "childish" interests well into adulthood - besides, how do you define "childish" anyway? Just look at the whole debate around animation as an entire medium be deemed "for kids" and artists struggling to escape that stigma. Same goes for "immature" fashion, hobbies like doll and toy collecting, cosplay, gaming, etc. I think the older generations are subconsciously jealous that they had to ditch the things they loved as kids while we were able to hang onto it. Why did they have to abandon those things? Work culture and capitalism. Funny how that always seems to be the cause of our problems.
I think this is a really interesting point. I lived in Japan for 5 years and one of the interesting cultural difference I noticed is now normalized it was for adults to like "cute" and childish things. A lot of stationary goods are cute (by American standards) by default. I remember a coworker having a monkey shaped rubber band holder. It was considered totally normal office supplies, whereas in the US, it'd be considered cutesy and mildly excentric. In Japan, Disney Adults are just considered normal adults. It's normal for adults to go to Disneyland for fun. It's normal for adults to have a favorite cartoon character. Obviously being mega obsessed is still weird, but purely liking things from childhood is normal. The idea that you must have a clean break from all childhood interests and become a Mature Adult when you turn 18 is very much an American cultural quirk
I’m 22, so pretty solidly gen z, and I watched a lot of the same disney and nick shows. The actors are millennials, but many of the kids watching were gen z. The youngest of gen z probably has nostalgia for different stuff. But hannah montana was a BIG deal in my elementary school.
@@Chelseabee55 There's a big divide between older and younger millennials. Younger millennials (1992-1996) have very similar experiences with older gen Z kids.
@@Chelseabee55it was definitely very young millennial, like the other commenter said. There’s a huge difference between one born in 81 and one born in 95 the first was 25 when HM came out. the other was in middle school.
Same age as you. I honestly hate when people assume that Gen Z are literally children right now. Like no, depending on the source, the oldest Gen Z is 26-28 yrs old while the youngest millennials are 27-29 yrs old. Depending on the source the youngest Gen Z is actually between 11-14 yrs old. Early Gen Z grew up with most of the same things late millennials did. I’ve always felt like generations needed to be shorter or divided into parts (beginning, middle, and end) because early and late Gen Z did not grew up with the same things and experiences.
@@e.producer1082I'm on the cusp on gen z and millennial and I completely agree with you. When people aren't assuming that gen z are all teenagers, they're assuming that millennials are all in their 30s. Meanwhile older gen z and younger millennials have far more in common with each other culturally than with either of their respective generational cohorts. It's so frustrating to see generational labels be used to mock or belittle when the divide is completely artificial and we should be allies in many things
my favorite thing growing up was getting a new DVD and watching the commentary ❤ a favorite of mine was cinderella story w hilary duff and chad michael murray!!!! also, aquamarine. i miss DVD commentaries
I can only speak speak for myself, but a lot of the nostalgia I feel really speaks to my inner child. Turns out, just because you had a privileged childhood, you can still have been neglected and abused. My conspiracy theory: Millennials clash so much with Boomers because of the history of abuse we suffered directly at their hands. I have done a lot of work “reparenting” myself and doing inner child work (i.e. therapy). I am far from done (thanks CPTSD), but at least I know now that I’m on the right track.
I went to private school. I knew people who were abused and neglected, but it didn’t look the way most training resources described. Other times the exact same behavior was received differently. If one of my high school classmates was left alone for a week while the parents were traveling for business, the parents would be praised for raising such a responsible and independent child. If parents at the local public school did that, they’d be criticized for putting their career before their child
@@camcat26 I have learned that, at least for me, being a responsible “little adult” as a child is not a flex. It can signal abuse or neglect in some children. It’s heartbreaking.
I was 23, now 27. I feel like I moved from a young adult, not so far from my teenage years, to a fully developed adult, without enjoying the experiences of "youth" (I know I'm still young, but it's funny how I missed the phase of developing my maturity and still expected to act like an almost 30y). And for the record, you're still pretty young!!
I was 20 when the pandemic hit and am now 24. I missed out on like half of my college experience and don’t feel as old as I am. Now that I’m in grad school and am in an apartment for the first time it’s helped a little, but I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels a little stunted
I think, to some extent, infantalising yourself is a way of acknowledging that, even as an adult, you don't always have it together, because there are many things in life we cannot control. It is a counterpoint to the pressure of having to always appear like you always know what you're doing.
Love the nuance of this video ❤ Hating on “cringe millennial culture” is often just people making fun of people for having hobbies or interests and accidentally being ableist about people’s hyper-fixations or mechanisms for coping with anxiety caused by a world that’s literally on fire. Plus the only people who notice this phenomenon and think it’s annoying spend too much time online (as someone who is always online). People need to just let other people live their life 🤷🏾♀️
You put a lot into words I've been thinking! Nostalgia has existed for all generations however, millennials are the first generation to have the ability to do skits and create content shared easily about those shared experiences and cultural touchpoints, as we kinda grew up exploring the wonders of the internet in a fun way as opposed to just a business adaptation like what gen x had to deal with
I find it interesting how when you succeed you’re put into a box. You are a child star and you want to do something else later on? No you can’t, you have to stay in your lane, your trapped in one genre limiting your creativity. So you become afraid to step out of your comfort zone, you stop taking risks, experimenting, trying new things. But at the same time in the genre you are in, you can’t just keep doing what you’re doing, you have the pressure to always be working on something bigger, something better, becoming more successful. I'd love us to accept that we contain multitudes and people are allowed to evolve and grow. Thanks for the video! Super interesting analysis once again!
Thank you Kathrin!! ❤ and yes it’s so strange, that being successful “too early” can end up being a hindrance. (Don’t get me started on “peaking” discourse!)
it's funny because i think gen z is also very nostalgic, sometimes for things we weren't even there to experience fully! i was born in 2005 and the y2k aesthetic and all makes me miss that era even if i was so little that i couldn't remember much (even if the early 2010s were not that different)
@tiffanyferg I think that’s because we get to cherry pick the good times, and ignore the bad, because we didn’t LIVE through it.. I was born in 88, in the 90s we were all about 60s/70s: polyester, bell bottoms, platform shoes, British Invasion, peace signs (helloo Spice Girls).. our parents remembered Vietnam, the draft, Jim Crow… Thinking about the 80s is big hair, neon, leg warmers, pop music.. not reagonomics, crack, and the AIDS epidemic. Now seeing people nostalgic for the 00s.. they think low rise jeans, Mean Girls, Britney Spears, and Nsync… I remember 9/11, Bush, the “war on terror” When future generations look back they’ll pick the fun tik tok trends and styles.. not the Covid, election contention, and BLM that we’ll remember. (Although the internet makes the less rosey side of history more accessible than it was when we were growing up.. it’s easy to forget the impact when you didn’t experience it first hand)
Generations are so arbitrary, I was born in 2001 and my fav shows growing up included that’s so raven, Lizzie McGuire, Zoey 101, kids next door, Kim possible, Danny phantom, suite life, Hannah Montana, etc. a lot of millennials I know also watched these. The nostalgia isn’t much different between late millennials/ early gen Z. I rented blockbuster movies and I didn’t have streaming services for any of my childhood. I also had a flip phone. I feel so lumped in with current teenagers and it feels weird 😂
That's entirely valid. I was born.... a long time ago... but growing up, I was always fascinated with the 80s. It was weird to be lumped into the Lizzie McGuire teens at the time.
On your question of if Gen Z had the same “golden age” of Disney Channel and Nick nostalgia, I think we definitely do!! In high school, we would play High School Musical songs over the speakers during lunchtime, we had Disney channel movie-themed rallies, and used our favorite Disney/Nick hits as a unifying factor a lot of the time, like you mentioned for millennials too. I think our biggest were HSM, iCarly, Victorious, Wizards of Waverly Place, Hannah Montana, Good Luck Charlie, Jessie, Camp Rock, Lemonade Mouth, and Teen Beach Movie :) I’m probably forgetting a lot but our time period of “nostalgia” was honestly pretty long, maybe because we were rewatching the old stuff and were also getting recent hits !
That era was definitely a cusper era! Young millennials and older Gen shares those for sure. (Well, some of them) I'm amongst the youngest of the millennials according to several sources and I watched a lot of those earlier shows like Hannah Montana and High School Musical which both came out when I was about 11. I was already a teen for some of those later one's but I watched them because Hannah Montana was still running and I watched Disney until it ended.
@@abrielle13 not really. Majority of middle gen z (2001-2006) grew up with this. I remember all the kids talking about all those shows and movies when I was in middle school.
@@abrielle13oldest millennials 😂not even close! Millennials start anywhere from 1980 to 1982. Old millennials were full adults BEFORE any of these shows aired
You mentioned research about people hating millennials and I would LOVE a whole episode on that. It's super weird to me. You also mentioned that millennials self infantilize but I feel like older generations put that on us. They either still attribute the way we were 20 years ago to how we are now or they think current children are millennials. Teenagers now aren't even the next generation; they're two generations removed. A perfect example I saw recently was a comment complaining about Pink giving out banned books on her tour in Florida. It said that we shouldn't be exposing "teenie boppers" to such things. While it's a bizarre comment on so many levels, it just exemplifies my point. Pink is in her 40s and while she probably has teenage fans, the majority of her fans are probably in their 30s. Not children by any stretch. So that commenter is either living in the past and thinks 30 year olds are still children and haven't grown up in the last 20 years or he thinks teenagers listen to 20 year old music and act like millennials did when they were that age. I don't remember this phenomenon from the generations above millennials. People have been complaining about "kids these days" since there were kids but they didn't think people stayed "kids these days" for the rest of their lives.
I've heard that before, and sometimes I would hear teachers other middle aged adults and news reporters, along with political commentators. Always referring to every young generation as millennial. It was mostly always negative.
I’ve been thinking about this topic a lot lately. I’ve been consuming a lot of early 2000s nostalgic content lately too. I think every generation goes through this but it manifests itself in different ways. Like you mentioned, a lot of it has to do with how much the entertainment landscape has fractured due to streaming. Back in the day, most of these kids shows pulled in over 3 or 4 million views per episode premiere. Now, not even Disney and Nickelodeon’s biggest shows can pull in 1 million views. Kids these days aren’t watching tv, they’re on TikTok and RU-vid. While it’s great that we now have access to a larger variety of voices and opinions, it’s sad that it’s come at the cost of having shared cultural viewing experiences. Also it seems like the bubble is starting to burst on revival shows (and streaming in general). The new iCarly was cancelled, the Zoey 102 movie barely made any noise online, High School Musical the Series was canceled. I guess theses nostalgia podcasts and RU-vid channels are the only way for us to relive our nostalgia and engage with the shows that made us with a more critical lens.
16:10 This reminds me of the time that Tinashe posted a picture of getting 56¢ as a residual check from CBS for her recurring role on “Two & A Half Men”
Gen z is definitely nostalgic too. Recently I’ve started seeing a lot of 2013-2014 nostalgia vids aimed at gen z ( in the style of “only 90s kids will remember” but instead it’s only 00s kids will remember)
You know, Wes Anderson was exploring this concept so early in my formative years and I didn’t even realize it. Films like Rushmore and The Royal Tenenbaums are built on the framework of nostalgia as coping, as well as coming to terms with adulthood after being seen as the precocious child everyone expects to have their shit together. Maybe it’s time for a marathon…❤
I have noticed that a lot of gen z nostalgia is more generalized, and not as specific as millennial nostalgia. this is definitely because gen z didn't have those same unifying experiences because we grew up in a later time with more variation in our childhoods. I do think that nostalgia and infantilization is still a large part of Gen z culture even if it's not as outwardly visible as in millennials, for example the whole TikTok trend of childish aesthetics, and being different types of "girls" (Pilates girl, girl dinner, it girl, or just describing yourself as a girl / girlie ) are all examples of this more generalized infantilization that has been baked into our social media culture. I don't know if that actually counts as nostalgia, but it's just something that came up when I was listening and wanted to say
My child stars are Macaulay Culkin, Elijah Wood (saw them in The Good Son... hated Macauley he was so good and had so much fun changing roles for once!) Tobey McGuire in The Wizard. Thora Birch in "Monkey Trouble" and "Hocus Pocus", Chritsina Ricci, OUR Wednesday Adams, Kirsten Dunst in "Interview with the vampire", Allison Hannigan & Seth Green in "My step mother is an alien"...
Can we talk about how so many child actors are really short? It is literally measurable how stressful it is to be a child actor yet nothing changes. Sam Levine, Neds declassified, Haley Joel Osment, Mccauly Culkin, Cory Feldman, Elijah Wood, Josh Hutcherson, Moises Arias, Orlando Brown, Bow wow etc.
i also really liked Tom Felton's "Beyond the Wand". Its about his experiences being in the public eye and a reflection on growing up starring in the Harry Potter films. Also highly recommend the audiobook since he narrates it himself.
I was afraid from the title this would be a roast, but I’m relieved it’s more an appreciation discussion! I have found solace in these nostalgic individuals sharing their struggles and bringing us together and we continue to learn and grow throughout life. It’s oddly comforting, and makes me feel less alone.
I love that when you realized that Scott Cramer made a video on a topic you talked about, 10:11 you made sure he got credit for his video and encouraged us to check him out. 🥰 I love it when RU-vidrs do this! 🥰
As a middle millennial, I would like to add another facet to the nostalgia: the hopeful future that we lost. The 1990s were not only the time of our childhood, it was also the last time the general perception of the future was hopeful and positive. The whole cypher-futuristic craze, the early days of the internet, the still booming economy, the 1989/91 fall of the Eastern Bloc and the "end of history", the looking forward to the new millennium. We were all excited for the future. We even saw what drugs did to the grunge musicians in the early 1990s and learned to stay away from them, cause we didn't want to die young and not experience this great future. And then, it all fell crushing down, in several instalments. 9/11 ended the end of history. 2008 ended the promise of prosperity. The crushing of all the Arab Spring uprising of around 2010 ended the hope for a better global democratic world (and resulted in the Syrian civil war and massive displacements of million of people from the region, together with the Iraq and Afghanistan wards). The raise of populist right and democratic backsliding ended the hopes for a progressive future for everyone. The pandemic ended the dreams of humanity being invincible. The upcoming climate catastrophe told us that there will no go good future for the majority of people. We miss the 1990s not only because it was the past. We miss it because we wanted the future we expected back then, and we never got it.
I watched this whole video waiting for you talk about Alexa Nicholas and her Eat Predators podcast and I was so shocked you didn’t bring her up. If you do a part two, I think she is worth covering because she is doing super brave, on the ground, advocacy work!!
To be fair, Alexa only did her live talking about her issues with CCR and the Neds podcast a couple days. And I imagine Tiffany's videos take a while to research and film and are made way in advance of them being posted.
I'm in my late 30's & my fav shows were even Stevens & Kim possible. That whole Disney era line up was my jam. Right b4 the quarantine I was hit by a car and lost my left leg. I was in recovery for months that led into the quarantine so you bet your a** I was sad, lonely, and in a place of needing comfort. I went hard into nostalgia. It's my happy place.❤️ These nostalgia pods (I feel) help me keep my sanity in a world I feel sometimes have left me behind.
i'm an older gen z'er, born in 2000. for the longest time, i've found myself relating to millennials a lot more than my own generation, and i think that's mainly because i live in a country so far away from the US, which is essentially the place of origin for the majority of the pop culture present in these generational experience conversations. a lot of things came very late to us, the iconic disney channel and nick shows aired later for us. all of my friends were still listening to cd's exclusively back in 2011. also something that should be pointed out is how social economics affect your personal experiences as a member of a generation. i grew up poor, so my experiences are always bound to be a bit different from those of my peers. the way money affects literally everything is so fascinating.
I’m born in 97 so that makes me a geriatric gen z or a very young millennial. The 2000’s were my childhood and the 2010’s were my teenage and early adult years.
I think that our childhood was so heavily corporatized. It wasn’t until the 80’s that kids could legally be advertised to. Our childhoods (unifying cultural touchstones) were brands and merch. Now, individual irony is the thing so brands aren’t as central to identity in the same way. This is why insane fandom is such a cultural norm for millennials. Toys, merch, shows, etc were all legally allowed to target us for profit and they did. I don’t think we’re more nostalgic than previous generations, I just think it’s easy to market our nostalgia because our nostalgia is so tied to marketing.
Gen z had cultural touchstone (wizards of Waverly place, good luck Charlie, adventure time, icarly,etc) although maybe younger gen z didn't have them in their teenage
"wait you're having feelings? you're sick!" hahaha. I love this topic! That was so cool to learn and explore the trends of nostalgia throughout our lifetimes, and investigate how the economy influences and takes advantage of collective experiences. So awesome and thought provoking! I really value how you put together your analysis. Thanks Tiffany
I have a personal story about being recognized while working a service job. I had a RU-vid channel from 2011 to 2017..it had 500k subs and 200 million views. I went from making $10,000 a month on adsense to $20 in the wake of the COPPA lawsuit. I DoorDash now to pay the bills, and I was recognized by a fan. Thankfully it wasn't an awkward interaction and doesn't happen too often, but the reality of being "famous" but making very little money happens more often than you'd think. For those much more famous than me, it makes an already hard service job completely overwhelming.
I’m gen z and I personally hate the laughing at millennials trends coz yk it just that millenials grew up, they’re no longer the it generation, so of course many of their references are outdated I can already see how gen alpha will laugh at gen z for the 1/5 photo angles, “delulu”, “x coded” and etc.
I have to leave a comment to say I feel so proud of you, in maybe a slightly parasocial way, but part of me truly feels like i’ve grown up with you as i’ve watched your videos since your green backdrop in your parents home. I remember being so young and thinking you were (and are) just absolutely stunning then to be shocked that we are the same age! anyways i’m so happy to see your channel getting more recognition I know you’ve put in so much work and you are so dang smart! anyways cheesy comment over now
it feels so weird that I'm considered Gen Z when everything younger millennials grew up with I had, I was absolutley a disney kid, hannah montana and the 'golden age' of disney channel was what I grew up with
i feel like part of the nostalgia is just the fact that we share the internet with people of all ages. kids are discovering what we were into 10 years ago when some of us were 17 and they were 5,6,7 or whatever age. so you get online and see a 15 year old say “i wish i experienced this in 2013! that would’ve been so cool!” and it suddenly makes you aware of your age. i never really felt nostalgic or old until my sister (who’s 17) says she wished she could’ve experienced one direction and i was like wait lol……
I find this topic really interesting because I think this is often a distinctly American experience. I am from the UK and we dont share a lot of these cultural touchstones nor is our experiences as cut and dry. Im not sure about anyone else, but my mum (boomer) is incredibly nostalgic. Constantly showing me media and cultural stuff from when she was growing up and in her young adult hood. She constantly looks at photos of her "back in day" and it really reminds me of these cultural touchstones. On the other hand, my sisters who are millennials, basically dont feel any of this nostalgia. Notebly because our family couldnt afford a TV or any sort of computer. Im wondering if theres a strong class aspect to this discussion, because despite the fact that my sisters fit the bill for this discussion they have absolutely none of these "cultural landmarks" in their childhood. In my opinion, this whole discussion might need a wider look at class differences to fully understand how this nostalgia works. These heavy forms of commercialism in childrens and teens tv is something that a lot of my sisters and their friends had no interest in. For all I know maybe this is an outlier from general trends. However, this may be one of those scenarios where a very vocal group make it seem like the overall trends reflect this one experience. Maybe there is a "silent population" outside of this nostaglic millennial perspective curated by middle class cultural experiences. Or maybe its just a cultural difference between the USA and the UK For example, I myself (Gen z) dont share any of the nostaglia a lot of my friends do for popular disney TV shows because my mum couldnt afford the disney channel subscription growing up. I feel a lot of disconnect to this curated idea that we present of what "gen z" grew up like because I simply did not grow up like that. Sorry for the ramble, this was a really interesting video! I would love to see a social researcher do a real widescale study about this cultural transmission and if it transcends countries or not :)
I think one thing that is never mentioned is the intense nostalgia of The Greatest Generation. Culture clash was a massive issue for nearly 50 years as that generation moved into middle age/older and fought with the youth over their inability to let go of the culture post-war.
For awhile I kind of avoided clicking on all the "nostalgia" videos that kept popping up in my recommended, I think I didn't want to get sucked back into childhood when I was trying to establish myself as an adult. But what you're saying here about it actually being a deconstruction of our upbringing really feels like a nice fit. I'm enjoying the Ned's podcast and Alyson Stoner's videos in particular.
Gen Z is the last generation in America at least to have grown up with cable so a lot of us still have fond memories of the older stuff since they would still show reruns.
It's sad that all these kids were exploited by their parents and tv executives and they were left to dry once they were no longer profitable. Britney Spears' book also shows how her parents set her up for failure once she started refusing to perform. It's sad 😢
Gen X felt similar things re nostalgia. We had a recession and needed to adapt to constantly changing technology to be successful in life & love💕. Hugs from central Ontario Canada ❤️
This video reminds me of Kellyn Bechtold's podcast "Road to Reality." Born in '86, Kellyn is a typical millennial and focuses on the transition away from the fame mindset in Survivor contestants. Sure, the guest stars were all adults and their shows didn't require them to act, but it was still definitely a disruptment to their lives, sense of self, and relationships to have been filmed for every waking hour for weeks and then have it all condensed into a 42-minute drama-filled episode. Kellyn's thesis is that for Survivor contestants, it takes at least three years to get back to a sense of normalcy in which the show, fan events and social media don't take up all one's energy and time anymore.
My first experience with the re-watch podcasts was Twilight, hosted by the actress who played Alice. I'm shocked every time someone talks about these podcasts and they don't bring that up lol
I also watched those on Spotify when they first came out but shortly after they all released they were removed for some reason. Even now it’s just a few episodes. A lot of people probably didn’t even know it existed which is sad
On one level I can understand the people who don't want to know the grim reality behind their childhood favourite media. When we watch an old tv show or movie for comfort we want to imagine that the kid actors had a great happy time making it and getting to know that the actors were really miserable behind the scenes ruins that comfort. That being said we shouldn't ignore the truth of real-life suffering and trauma for the sake of nostalgia.
I think it also has to with social media not being available when our favorite shows were on so we didn’t discuss it at the lengths that we do now with media. We also didn’t have a direct line to our favorite stars so instead of watching their Snapchat stories in the moment we are finally getting all those stories that probably would’ve been shared on socials if they existed back then. I remember CRAVING a way to connect with Miley Cyrus. She felt so inaccessible but I wanted to be friends with her. I would google what her phone number was allllll the time trying to find a way to connect cuz I was so curious about her life and the behind the scenes lol
as someone around in the middle of gen z I’ve noticed that while our nostalgia does center certain shows and media (esp youtube channels and videos from when the platform was less concentrated), a lot of the nostalgia content I see centers around images instead. most of the engagement with nostalgia that I see from people my age is the genre of TikTok/instagram montages with old photos portraying what is usually a middle class American childhood meant to evoke comfort or bring back old memories. I think this form of engagement with nostalgia might be more popular with people my age because the products we consumed/the environments of our childhoods/the distinctive home camera and video qualities are more homogeneous and iconic than the media that we grew up watching
Reading books like “I’m Glad My Mom Died” by Jeanette McCurdy and “Happy People Are Annoying” by Josh Peck really opened my eyes to how harsh the industry can be, especially on child stars. When I was a kid I would wish to be like them, because I thought they got to be rich and famous. But turns out they are only famous and they were making someone else rich. It’s so sad and I definitely believe more child stars need better protections. All child stars should be making residuals on any show that is still being streamed today, no exception! Also Christy Carlson Romano is such a sweetheart (she lives in the same city that I do and when my friend ran into her out and about she was nothing but nice) and I really credit her RU-vid channel and podcasts as a huge influence on other child stars to expose the truth of what it was like growing up in Hollywood.
I love knowing how the ppl I used to watch on TV turned out. One thing I’m worried about nostalgia is that now we can just surround ourselves with stuff from our childhood and never really move on and grow.
I was just thinking about this! There are already so many nostalgic pieces of media I find myself getting sucked back into as a 23 year old who is transitioning to being self-sufficient. I think gen z is going to go through it just as hard as the millennials did.
As an older Gen Z who was born in 2002 that was also my childhood. I grew up on Hannah Montana and ICarly. For my 19th birthday party it was Disney Channel themed. I’ve been super nostalgic lately listening to all these rewatch podcasts & rewatching my favorite episodes of kid shows. I graduated in 2021 where I had to wear a mask as I walked down the stage and I never got a prom. My first semester of college I had to get my temperature checked everytime I stepped into a building. Those moments I feel like are gonna stick with me forever. I’ve never been more nostalgic than now.
I think the reason why our younger generations (millennial and Z) have so much trouble transitioning into adulthood is that our childhood was artificially prolonged for too long. Previous generations had to learn the grown-up life at 12 or 14 while they still lived at their parents'. We got an artificial childhood until we graduated high school or college, then all the adult responsibilities fell on our shoulders while were trying to process our new professional life. I am definitely going to teach my future children how to cook, clean, budget, wash their clothes and do the dishes daily while doing their "job" (schoolwork) and enjoying life and fun activities. There's no way they're going to feel the anguish I felt when I was so overwhelmed discovering adulthood.
There are a lot of older gen z that are commenting but I feel like people seem to forget that middle gen z also grew up with this (middle being 2001-2006). A lot of the shows you named were likeT H E shows when I was in middle school.
middle gen z is usually left out or group with old and young gen z. i was born in 2005 and grew up on millennials content, my sister didn't because she was born in 08 and has no idea what im taking about
Really enjoyed this video, it's been a topic on my mind for a while! The one criticism (or more so a small pet peeve) I have is the same one I have for any kind of content that dabbles a bit into generations, specifically discussing Gen Z . Since Gen Z is kind of in a weird era. You have older gen z who experienced, cable, recording, reruns, as well as all the shows mentioned above, but then social media and streaming grew so drastically in such a small amount of time that it resulted in younger gen z being so far disconnected from that. They tend to be the audience people are really talking about when they have these kinds of discussions. It's also why a lot of people who are older Gen Z try to make a subcategory because admittedly it can be a little annoying to be lumped in with people who are closer to having experiences with Gen Alpha. It's almost like we are in a weird bubble.
Really interesting point- and I think it goes to show that the gen lines are odd and not really consistent enough to make any conclusive statement- for example I’m a younger millennial born in 1994- I find that I have more in common with someone born in 2000 than someone born in 1980- yet the generational divide would suggest otherwise.
Yeah generational “divides” are always much more blurry than simple birth years imply! I totally get it, I’m technically a “cusper” (born in 95) and I do feel connected to millennials and gen z, naturally
It's because the generational groups are too big. A lot can change in 10-15 years. If it were more like 5-8 years for a generation it would be more accurate. And I would know, most of my family are "Cuspers" for different generations and they all felt that disconnect.
As a Xennial, it's kind of interesting to see a division of nostalgia in older Millennials and younger ones. Older Millennials tend to exist in the same media frame that I did vs younger ones (basically our kid brothers and sisters) had a completely different media frame
Christy Carlson Romano's internet strategy is kind of insidious. She bops around trying everything to see what will make her the big bucks, using other famous peoples' names and stories for clout whenever she can. Especially if you look up what's happening between her and abuse survivor from Zoey 101 Alexa Nikolas literally this week - she platformed a predator after using Alexa's story for clicks, then blocked Alexa. The Ned's guys also have said some shitty stuff about CSA survivors from their sphere on their podcast. :/
@@tiffanyferg Np. Definitely interested in your video about her rise on youtube and tiktok, I've been observing her for a few years and have thought many times about trying to make a video about it but there's SO MUCH.
I agree she is trying to grab money. She was going to release a cookbook from the Kitchen Throwback series and it was going to be out in Spring or Fall 2022. That never happened she never inform her community that it fell through and to reach out to get a refund. I had to reach out to her on other socials. She finally responded and said it fell through and to reach out to her husband through email to set up the refund. However, I couldn’t tell with one letter. I tried reaching out to her & husband no response. I had sent half a dozen emails and responses on socials but they never responded. Eventually they did but how she handle this was poorly done. As nobody had known it fell through and to reach out for the refund I’ll be more skeptical whenever she releases merch from any of the podcasts, collabs or anything else. As if it falls through. Will she pull the same stunt?
There's so many of these rewatch podcasts so I'm not surprised you didn't mention Pod Meets World but that has been my favorite rewatch podcast. I was so sick of rewatch podcasts and decided I had to listen to theirs as I was such a huge Boy Meets World fan growing up. Their podcast hits on so many of the things you address and it has been incredible watching them reclaim their narrative and learn about things that were going on behind the scenes that were hidden from them.
Talking about identity and the character these actors played, I remember Daniel Radcliffe, Rupert Grint, and Emma Watson talking about struggling to know who was their genuine self and who was their character.
The best thing I found out relatively recently about Sabrina the Teenage Witch was that Melissa Joan Hart's mum produced the show and she was proactive in making sure that the set felt comfortable/ safe.
A lot of the things we watch for nostalgia I’ve noticed have really good life lessons that went over our heads (or we didn’t really focus on) that we can now fully connect to and appreciate as adults. I watched a video on one of my fave childhood movies, Heavyweights (underrated 90s classic btw) and it made me realize there’s many people I’ve grown up watching on tv since the early 90s. Christina Ricci (The Addams Family, Casper) Kenan Thompson (The Mighty Ducks, All That) Raven (Cosby Show, Hangin With Mr. Cooper), Hilary Duff (Casper Meets Wendy, Lizzie McGuire) Melissa Joan Hart (Clarissa Explains It All, Sabrina…) and soooo many others for at least 30yrs now. 😮
also even younger gen z are starting to be nostalgia for times like 2017 and 2014. i think it has to do with the combination of technology accelerating the rate at which things change, as well as the pandemic and deconstruction of our society on the rise.
I’m a ‘98 gen Z and I used to watch Disney Channel at my grandparents house (we didn’t have it at home) every time I had the chance. I remember watching Hannah Montana, Kim possible, That’s so Raven, Zach and Cody… I also watched iCarly on Nickelodeon. I was in school when most of high school musical movies released. I listen to Harry Potter audiobooks everyday because it does make me feel comforted. I like rewatching a lot. I also used to watch all the Disney movies in DVD player at home. And, may I add, I’m from Spain. This generation is universal in the sense of, we have common experiences (like the economic crisis of 2008 and watching the same programs and movies)
I love how you go through so much about this. How these actors have been screwed over so much. It's not just banking on nostalgia. It's so much deeper than that.
Yeah, I'm done with CCR, as well as Devon, Lindsey, etc. -- CCR kept up a podcast episode with an alleged predator, Corey Feldman, kept it up for awhile after people asked her to take it down. When she removed it, she also removed a podcast episode from a survivor activist/advocate and YT podcast host, Alexa Nikolas (Alexa had spoken up about the podcast episode with Corey). She also left a friend of one of Corey's survivors on read (they had asked to speak to CCR and for CCR to take the video down). She may have removed the Corey episode from Spotify by now but it was still up recently. She referred to the allegations against Hugh Hefner as 'rumors,' even though she had interviewed a Hugh survivor, Holly Madison, on a prior podcast episode. During a Ned's podcast episode (which is a Podco podcast), they referred to Alexa as crazy, among other things. I could go on and on but it's honestly exhausting and life is too short to waste any time on CCR -- just wanted to make you aware of that, since you've already wasted quite a bit of time on her. ** Lifting up Devon's podcast is a true sign of not really doing your research...or at least not ethically. The same thing comes to CCR. Those podcasts ARE clear cash grabs. They've clickbaited and monetized the fact that 1 minor child gave another minor child a blow job. They profited off of Alexa's trauma, because it was trending. Devon has also previously discussed financial struggles, so, if he was being truthful, and if he's still struggling, then yes, he needs $, and yes, it IS a cash grab. ** Alyson, Jennette, and Alexa are the best resources for this topic, ethically and otherwise.
I'm so happy these shows and talks are coming out. It shows that even if you did everything right and were living the dream, things can still go wrong and it doesn't have to be our fault. So many of us looked up to these people and were possibly envious of their position in life, but in the end we're pretty much all struggling, including those people we thought had it all.
Would love a part 2 to this where you could dive into the child stars that did find success beyond Disney/Nickelodeon (Shia LaBeouf comes to mind as the biggest, but I think the Sprouse twins have done a few things, and Josh Peck had a small role in Oppenheimer which was very intefesting). I’m curious what the factors are that lead to certain stars being able to stay in the spotlight or reenter successfully, versus others who have had a more difficult time doing so. Is it nepotism? Pure skill? Luck?
