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Have a Rival Party for your D&D group! While Xanathars talks about having a rival, they are mostly for downtime! SO in this video for advanced dungeon master tips I'm going to break down some things you can do to create a good rival party that actively participates in your DnD group's adventures.
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@simmonslucas 4 года назад

Most underrated D&D channel. Always sharing your shit man. Keep it up!

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

I really, *REALLY* appreciate that!!!! :)

@hegedusandras1899 4 года назад

The Deus Ex Machina TPK saving rival group can be also used to make one of the rivals sacrifice himself. This way the party could feel guilty for not taking the fatal blow they could have and the rival team can blame them for the death of their beloved party member. The players could decide whether they compensate somehow or accept their new adversaries.

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

this is awesome!

@michaelminugh5357 4 года назад

Another great use of rivals: if your players are taking ”too many rests”, i.e. Long resting at noon to get 2 spell slots back before the next encounter, send in the rival party to get the loot. Knowing that someone else will take your stuff if you’re being too slow is a great way to add weight to the decision of rest or keep going!

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Ooo! I like that! In fact, my party just rested in a dungeon... ;)

@Bluecho4 4 года назад

You could even have the rival party show up just as the PCs are about to make camp. Taunting the PCs about how while they're sitting around doing nothing, the rival party are going to clear out the dungeon.

@blademonkey29 4 года назад

You've inspired me for my next campaign. Each of the first little adventures have a different party npc that helps with the job somehow and each mirrors a PC. Then the adventurers they helped band together off screen and become friendly competition. This way, there's urgency to completing jobs that isn't just "if you don't hurry, everyone dies".

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Right?? If you start off at the highest stakes, there is no where to go!

@Camcak3s 4 года назад

The last campaign I ran, one of the PCs had a twin brother and they were competing for the affection of their asshole father. They constantly tried to one up each other to the point of eventually coming to grips and killing the NPC only to have him be revived by the BBEG. Rivals turning into bosses is definitely one of my favorite tropes.

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Oh man! Did the NPC turn into one of the villains minions after that?!

@Camcak3s 4 года назад

@@ZipperonDisney Yup and the PC had made a pact with an angel to not kill his brother again while also having a contract from a devil saying he needed to kill his brother. In the end he managed to save him and kill the devil he made a contract with but that is a whole nother story.

@KautionTape 4 года назад

Yes! I've used a rival group a couple years ago with my party who "took too long" to get moving on the main quest. It had a great effect, just by mentioning their names and suggesting they were targeting the same villain. My party actually skipped out of town a night early just to beat the rival competition to the next spot. Then they had a built-in challenge and reason to protect the macguffin, which meant they started thinking about ways of securing it BEFORE the threat presented itself. As you said, they are a competition, so the party is intrinsically believing they just need to do the "hero" work BETTER than the rivals, rather than thinking they need to beat the rivals. We even had them working with the rivals for a brief bit of time, when they worked out a compromise so they both could get what they want. This will stick with a party in a good way, to make them constantly try to better themselves without letting themselves fall prey to the egotism of being the only heroes in a 50 mile radius. I highly, highly recommend everyone at least keep one in their back pocket to pull in when needed.

@NefariousKoel 4 года назад

As I learned in management, the best way to motivate people to do their best was to give them some public competition with their peers. It lights a fire.

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

The desire to be better heroes is a really good angle - thanks for sharing! :)

@ikmart112 3 месяца назад

@@NefariousKoel Personally that just puts me off and I just do other tasks if they're going to be assholes about it.

@dynestis2875 3 года назад

One of my players is a BloodHunter, for his lvl3 Lycantrophy subclass I had him and his 1 other party member transported to the Shadowfell where they battled a shadow version of him, which eventually morphed into Lycan form. Lair actions made it an epic arena fight and the players felt really good about earning their level-up by literally defeating a personal demon.

@ZipperonDisney 3 года назад

Outstanding example!

@dynestis2875 3 года назад

@@ZipperonDisney I especially appreciate this seeing as I'm a first time DM :)

@BeyondTheScreenRPG 4 года назад

Thank you! Another cool video :) I like how this concept removes the notion that the PCs need to take care of everything by themselves. If they don't, their rivals might.

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Thanks mate!!

@alternatebanana3670 4 года назад

Really looking forward to Galder's. I am particularly interested in the expanded combat options. Special emphasis on sundering.

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Awesome! We got about 30 or so new game elements coming out soon!

@peter215m 4 года назад

First time watcher, great content!

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Awesome! I really like the consumable items video - it's quick and (IMHO) has tons of cool ideas: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YKLUBCwH6-o.html

@DamnB1itch 4 года назад

About to start running an Acquisitions Inc.. You gave me some great tips for other franchisees. Thanks man! Great content. Got yourself a new sub! Keep it up

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Glad to help! Thanks for subbing too!

@austinschmid3022 3 года назад

In one of my recent campaigns I played a Drow who refused to kill, opting for non-lethal damage if at all possible. It started out as a meme, but when my dm introduced a rival npc who served as a foil to myself, who went to the extreme for justice. Because of the brutality of this npc, the rest of the party began to come more accepting of his code of non-lethality. When my character was killed off because of his refusal to kill, it really struck something with the party, and they set out to try and resurrect their lost comrade, literally throwing the campaign away to save their friend. He was returned to life, but he opted to leave the party to sort out personal matters, but it’s always brought up how much the party missed such a character. A rival/mirror npc or group npcs definitely makes your characters more memorable not just to yourself, but to your party members

@ZipperonDisney 3 года назад

That's a great story and really drives home a point I was making in the video - thanks for sharing!

@a.alexander4845 3 года назад

I agree! There really needs to be more "rival" adventurer parties in DnD. Tbh, might just only be my personal experience, but it feels like this concept is underused. To the point were it almost feels like the pcs are the only adventuring party in the world if you know what I mean.

@ZipperonDisney 3 года назад

Honestly, the Rival Party I'm using right now might be my favorite part of the campaign. So useful, so fun!

@MemphiStig 8 месяцев назад

It evokes the old school style of play, where all the pc's were exploring the same dungeon, in small groups at whatever time the players could gather. They may not always be hostile to other pc's or parties, but they could certainly clash, or at least beat each other to certain areas where the good treasures are. Friendly rivalries can still be difficult ones.

@ZipperonDisney 8 месяцев назад

friendly rivals are often the most difficult :)

@krootmen 2 года назад

That Conan music at the end was not something I new that I NEEDED to hear. this video was really good, one of your best. the topic is good and your examples where great.

@ZipperonDisney 2 года назад

Thank you! This one is one of my favorites too!

@broke_af_games9661 4 года назад

Fantastic video, btw. I love this idea. I did it once but the other party was between a rival and a villain party. Lots of fun

@4saken404 4 года назад

This is also a concept that is a good fit for steampunk-style games. Rival groups competing to find the McGuffin first, to be the fastest, come up with the best gadgets, steal the spotlight, etc.

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Good idea!!! Or also a swashbuckling campaign

@majoradam96 4 года назад

Some really good ideas from this video! Definitely going to try create a rival group now for my party

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Awesome! Glad you liked it!

@cocolcp 4 года назад

I've been watching your videos for a few months now, and I think yours may be the best ones I've found so far. Saludos desde Perú!

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

One of my favorites too. This, Likable NPCs, Super Session Zero and the Pacing Vids ❤️

@Maninawig Год назад

I gotta say that these videos are great tools to go back to. also helped me with my current character: a cool and collected Hobgoblin Field Medic. After being saved by his lover, who turned out to be a Silver Dragon, he went to a monastery to learn the Way if the Ascendant Dragon, but found his skills in the Way of Mercy instead. So rather than playing another Healer class, you've given me the idea of playing one of the Monk's who studied in the same monastery, but is flashy and boastful, seeking riches through reputation. Possibly even giving them the same background, but different variance to make them more akin than different... Though that would make me his antagonizer, as what fuels the rivalry is my character's refusal to be bothered.

@GuardianPauli3 3 года назад

I know this is a little late, but this video gave me such good ideas and made me smile the whole time I watched it

@ZipperonDisney 3 года назад

That makes me really happy! ❤️

@yoroshiku137 Год назад

My players’ rivals is essentially Team Rocket. Alas, as the game is dictated by the rolling of dice, Team Rocket actually managed to beat them in retrieving a relic. The PCs were understandably crestfallen. But that won’t be the last of it.

@racekitty 3 года назад

I would say check the loading crew's TT Pokemon game they have a great rival team.

@vigilantsycamore8750 3 года назад

One idea I had a while back that I think would work well with a rival party: the questgiver NPC holds some sort of tournament to find the adventurers who are most qualified for the challenge. The winners get a fancy reward and are given the new quest with the promise of more rewards at the end. So, this idea of the rival party makes me think that you could have them competing against the players in such a tournament. It could even be how the players meet the rival party

@benthe27thgamer 4 года назад

Wow, thank you for the video! Your ideas really helped kick start me into working on a rival party - Time to binge the rest of your videos haha

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

@Benthe27thgamer how did that work out for you? enjoy it? :)

@tylerhilpisch7850 4 года назад

What about instead of two adventurers fighting over someone, they fight over who gets to pet the dog first?

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Then the villain swoops in and kills it! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-__wJo6l_P3M.html

@alexfikar7757 3 года назад

This is perfect. I’ve been really thinking of how to get a rivalry group in my game, but couldn’t figure out a way to make the players engage without it being an evil rivalry to the death

@ZipperonDisney 3 года назад

Glad you liked it! This is one of those topics that doesn't get talked about much, but I think folks would really benefit from

@ganon019 3 года назад

Early on in their adventures, my players taunted a bard and humiliated him in front of his current employer. This bard happens to be the son of a very powerful high priest in the countries central city. Around this same time the party came across a rival group of adventurers and stole a few bounties right out from under them. The son and the rival adventurers met and set off for the central city ahead of the party. While the party has been busy adventuring, the bard has been using his father's priests to scry on the party (they have uncovered a few of the scrying sensors) and feed the information of their exploits to the rival adventurers. The party is just about to arrive in the city in time for a large festival, where the main event will be a commemoration of the rival "heroes" who have taken credit for the accomplishments of the party.

@ZipperonDisney 3 года назад

😂😂😂 PERFECT!

@Luboffin 4 года назад

This was a great overview! I haven’t used a rival party before, but I think I want to give it a go in my next campaign. It sounds like there are lots of ways to use them for some cool story moments.

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Glad you liked it! Feel free to reach out if you want to talk about YouTubing!

@Luboffin 4 года назад

@@ZipperonDisney Thank you! I really appreciate that. I still feel like I"m stumbling around in the dark a bit 😅

@harkejuice 3 года назад

I love using rivals and often like to use them on low-level parties with that big-brother type thing, but always at a price, either gold or having to do them a favor should the party care about honor. Its an excellent plot device to clean up loose ends and to gently nudge newer players towards RP. Its also quite fun to use them as a sort of "tutorial" for really new players.

@ZipperonDisney 3 года назад

I didn't consider the tutorial or role-model aspect. Good points! Thanks for sharing!

@lastationproductions 4 месяца назад

The rival party sounds like an awesome idea

@Bluecho4 4 года назад

One campaign idea I've been toying with is a kind of "Knight Campaign". Where the party are all low station knights (the noble title; they can be whatever class they want, not just heavy armor melee fighters). And their goal is to amass Renown (a general kind of Renown, not necessarily the faction-specific Renown described in the DMG). In addition to gaining Renown for heroics - slaying monsters, defeating villains, retrieving lost relics, and saving people from certain doom - they also gain Renown for proving themselves in things like tournaments (jousts, musical competitions, magical duels, etc) and besting others single/group combat or contests. Since it's considered dishonorable to kill someone in such duels, it can act as a handy release valve for tensions with rivals. If a player really wants to stick it to a rival character, they're incentivized to challenge them to a duel or contest, rather than just attacking them with the intent to kill. They can earn Renown if they win (in addition to personal satisfaction), but can _lose_ Renown if they fail (and get a further bruised ego along with it). It's a built-in mechanism for encouraging competition, while giving just enough cost for failure to dissuade players from taking rash action.

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

That idea sounds like it would square nicely with what I suggest in the 'What If Alignment Mattered' video! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KqrlB1aGrUc.html

@applejackjk18 4 года назад

Really like that you went to the effort of making artwork citations. :D

@xuxuang8574 4 года назад

Awesome practical advice. I don't play DnD but this is a great bit of advice for any RPG...

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Glad you like it! This is one of my favorite videos 😁

@xuxuang8574 4 года назад

@@ZipperonDisney you got a new subscriber today!

@theautumnarcher2232 4 года назад

Wow, I was just planning on making a rival party for my group. Thank you so much for the great ideas!

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Awesome! Let me know how it goes!

@theautumnarcher2232 4 года назад

I... misjudged how horny my players are...

@BigCowProductions 2 года назад

My players met their rival party earlier, and did an arm wrestling contest to begin. They chose to not go defend neighbor town accosted by undead, and looked into the case of the missing animals (turned out they were being turned into demons, so still legit). But they'll find that the opposing team helped the other town and got the glory for it :D

@ZigCopasetic 4 года назад

Your voice/narration is very easy to listen to. Some nice ideas.

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Glad you dig it Zig!

@YourFriendDarryn 4 года назад

Fantastic Video!!! Really sound advice!

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Glad you liked it!!

@rexredcap589 3 года назад

This helps a ton. Thank you my tye dye friend

@ZipperonDisney 3 года назад

Happy to help! Thanks for being a fan of the channel :)

@DarkerDelve 4 года назад

All of your content is extremely good. You are going to be huge on RU-vid. I'm a long time DM, but I've never used a rival party. You have sparked my interest to do that. My only concern, is how often and how long would it take to become old and also start to annoy and frustrate the players. I feel like, although it can be fun here and there, a DM has to be careful with this.

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Thanks for the compliment! I think like most things, you have to be discerning! I think I'm at 3 run-ins over 20 sessions

@TanaisNL 4 года назад

A toll troll. I'm dying :')

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Check it out here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nTm7Vuu2d3U.html

@TheDoomAbides Год назад

This was a great vid. Thanks for the content man.

@craftersforge570 4 года назад

You excite me more than any other you tuber out there in same subjects! Feel free to re-teach what others are doing. your WAY more entertaining. Great communicator and make so much sense.

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Thanks!! I try to make video about subjects nobody is talking about - one of the things that I think makes my channel unique :)

@btnewberg 4 года назад

How do you handle GMing an NPC party in combat? All those powers and spells become overwhelming for one person to run effectively, so do you have any tips on streamlining it?

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

I usually run stripped down versions of PC classes, they have AC, HP, attack bonus, damage, and maybe one or two signature features that I just keep in my head (e.g. Evasion, Improved Critical, etc)

@btnewberg 4 года назад

@@ZipperonDisney Yeah, that's pretty much what I've moved toward too. Spellcasters just have a few spells listed that I want to use, for example.

@hawkname1234 3 года назад

Dude your videos are so good.

@ZipperonDisney 3 года назад

Glad you like them!

@nerdyhexel307 4 года назад

Just earned yourself a subscriber for this great idea!

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Welcome aboard! :) You might also like some of my ideas in the *mixed skills and abilities* video- I put some in there I've never heard elsewhere before

@broke_af_games9661 4 года назад

I know storm barbarian could be fitting, but a Barbarian(zealot) and cleric combo seems more so based on how you described their approval by their God and such. And without it being a direct mirror of the gnome barbarian

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

@broke_AF_Games That's a good point!! I think I *will* do that instead!!

@broke_af_games9661 4 года назад

Zipperon Disney it's like shake and bake....'cause I helped

@Arekkusu666 3 года назад

You talked a lot about USING a rival party, but how would you BUILD a rival party? Would you create them with their own character sheets as if they were players, or build them like monsters with simplified stat blocks?

@ZipperonDisney 3 года назад

I think I actually used the pregens WotC made, just because they were on hand. Or I would have used NPC stat blocks like in Volos

@denniscastello504 4 года назад

Great video! I really love this idea and plan to use it in my current game. I'll let you know how it goes.

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Thanks a bunch! Please do - I love hearing stories from home games! :)

@SignaturalDM 4 года назад

Excellent video, as always!

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Thank you!

@dreadmorg 4 года назад

The trash talking tavern fans is a fantastic idea Zip! Reminds me of sports fans.

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

Yeah! That's exactly what I had in mind. Imagine if there were memorabilia on the walls too, like the helmet worn when they slew the village hag

@dreadmorg 4 года назад

@@ZipperonDisney I'm stealing this for my games. It sounds fun already! LOL

@michaelmullenfiddler 4 года назад

Great video. Great ideas

@e10moment 4 года назад

Im making a rival party right now. Ive made one already who origanilly is a civillian who the party has stolen from. It wil be kinda a vigilante party

@RIVERSRPGChannel 4 года назад

Good ideas Nice video

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

TY!!

@professorhobbton 4 года назад

I'd be cool to make the High Level Play video as well

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

It's on the to-do list :) have you checked out the Epic Destiny or High Level oneshot vids? They might sustain ya'

@Darkwintre 3 года назад

Good video!

@ZipperonDisney 3 года назад

Thanks for the visit! Rivals are SUPER fun to have

@Darkwintre 3 года назад

@@ZipperonDisney Gave me plenty of ideas mind if I forward this to my former DM?

@jthompson7175 4 года назад

Hmmm... I'm pretty firmly against a deus ex, but I could see a rival party trying to do something like bribe the Rogue to join them.

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

I'm gonna talk out of both sides of my mouth here, but I don't think a rival party qualifies as a strict deus ex. If you've introduced them before, then later the resolution they provide does come from the narrative, instead of out of the blue

@an8strengthkobold360 4 года назад

Something somewhat interesting the my hero academia did was making foil characters who are essentially the characters "ideal" version of themselves which leads to their downfall.

@ZipperonDisney 4 года назад

What's hero academia?

@an8strengthkobold360 4 года назад

@@ZipperonDisney anime