*THE* ROCK & METAL GENRE TIER LIST 

You should check out What a Disaster the cuz the whole thumbnail reminds me of their sound

You forgot groove metal 😢

Finn, i'm not gonna say that you forgot this or this subgenre but I will say that you left out alot and in a weird fashion. It seems like you created subgenre with discussable choices to fits in and left out real sub-divisions by amalgamating bands that doesn't belong together. Not complaining just saying that i'm puzzled with your fragmentation off subgenres 🤣. I would probably really enjoy talking music for an entire evening with you and see how different we see a scene as two different person of the same era but from different country... anyway cheers to you man 😎

Do a video on how john petrucci influenced so many modern guitars players with either style or his guitar the music man. Or how Mike portnoy really influenced a lot of modern metal core guys. Or dream theater as a whole.

The Punk Rock MBA I fucking love your overly specific examples that go deep for no reason shits hilarious keep it up

I love ska. I do understand it can sound annoying to some. Most of the stuff i like are high tho: grunge, skate punk, thrash metal, nu metal

I have to say, I've been surprised recently to learn how brutal ska fans are. They are up there with black metal fans in terms of defensiveness (but at least they aren't also racist lol)

@@ThePunkRockMBA Really? That is very surprising. Well at least i am very easy-going fella 😊

@@ThePunkRockMBA In Cleveland at a Bouncing Souls show ska fans from the crowd essentially mugged The Flatliners into playing one of their old ska songs, which is a thing they've tried to do at every Flats show for the past 10 years XD. Now I know why they call them RUDE boys.

“If I’m being honest, Easy Core belongs in the E tier” *angry friend noises*

**Fretboard tapping intensifies**

*taps fret board with malicious intent*

Prog metal/Tech death/Djent/Mathcore/Jazz metal: *Puts hand on shoulder, with teary eyes aimed at the floor* "That's rough, buddy."

I LOVE MIDWESTERN EMO 😭

I love midwest emo 🙌🏻

Bruh this guy put emo rap above "butt rock"

I stand alone

@@berbafan67 dude please Awake

Lol the first godsmack song I heard is when legends rise and so far it's the only song I've liked by them.

Godsmack was pretty big within the period from 1998's "Godsmack" up to 2010's "The Oracle." They had a pretty noticeable drop off in popularity during the 2010s decade, but managed to rack up some decent viewing and streaming numbers with their 2018 album "When Legends Rise."

But metalcore is thrash hah

@@Broccoli75 slowed down thrash....not being a metal snob i love both but its kinda true

@@MartiniScreamz Yeah I feel like metalcore is just a shittier version of groove metal

@@ambatukoom not at all

@@XX-sv3qu Yes it is, listen to Sepultura and Pantera and tell me there aren't breakdowns like in metalcore. Only difference is metalcore ripped off Meshuggah and started using djenty breakdowns.

"Sad Yellow Ledbetter sounds"

So true. Haha I love this comment.

“frrrrzn rnegsadondemetal mergeaconcrete yuh yuh”

L o l

Wiiithhimontoop…lemonyellowsuuuun

I mistakenly thought david draiman writes this comment

@@melodica5407 but, what does Corey Taylor think about this?

@@melodica5407 Kanye

@@nisinduperera7130”how does this affect lebron’s career” ahh comment

_Can we get some F’s in the tier_

Ahahaha

RAID SHADOW LEGENDS WITH EMO ELVES GETTING BAGGGGG. S+++ tier.

square space and skillshare

Raid shadow legends! Made by a developing company run by a chairman for the world's largest gambling lobbying group, owned by an Australian gambling company that primarily makes, you guessed it, SLOT MACHINES! Upon acquisition of the game development company the CEO gave some speech about expanding to other areas related to their business and implementing their knowledge to grow these other closely related areas or some shit basically equating to "use our knowledge of how to make slot machines that people pour money into and generate ludicrous profits.. Implement that knowledge into the mobile gaming platform which is obviously closely related to the gambling business.. Prey on little kids that we cannot reach in our target market with our slot machines.. Take their and their parents money and create Lifelong gambling addictions hopefully encouraging them to play our slots later down the line!" They tell every sponsored RU-vidr EXACTLY WHAT TO SAY! How many cookie cutter raid shadow legends ads have you seen every RU-vidr from a car channel, cooking channel, punk rock channel.. It doesn't matter. There's tens of thousands of these BS ads out there. THE GAME IS AWFUL! It's literally the epitomy of the absolute worst of mobile gaming.. Progress is directly linked to your credit card... You can literally put it on auto so you don't have to play the awful game until the next time you need to type your credit card number in to progress again.. At which point you think you've gotten some joy out of the game but you haven't.. You admire your shiny new character and then auto through more of the boring egregious campaign until the next time you have to stop to spend some money! It's literally the scummiest thing ever. Raid shadow legends is going in the Z tier! I hope they get what's coming to them.

You don't want to miss a second of this power metal show! That band hangs dong!

Matthew Latham Bro, I was crying laughing 😂 when Finn went into FULL detail about it! I kinda lil’ horny, Man, Shit!!!! 🤯🤤 🤣🤣🤣

Finn dislikes Power Metal because it makes him self-conscience about his lifts and life choices.

@@colacp he takes Power Metal too seriously

Lol, I’m from Eastern Europe (Russia) and power metal is absolutely not popular here. Russia is more thrash/nu metal and hardcore.

From Midwest. Can confirm.

Currently in Iowa.... yep

As a Hoosier... yeah that's accurate.

Basically in Ohio half the time, Buffalo NY the other half (basically just a rust belt city) I can confirm

Except that corn though, that's some S tier shit

same, i'd also add on powerviolence and thrashcore. even though it breaks the rules still.

A lot of stoner and doom bands are tied to the hardcore punk scenes. Most of the NOLA sludge bands started as hardcore acts.

Easily S tier just on the power of amps alone.

Those and indie Rock/ garage rock

+1 for Groove metal..... Pantera was an amazing band...

Maybe but their biggest success (Black album) it's not thrash and all their career after that isn't either

Luis Berrios their newest album has a lot of thrash songs on it but the era between black album and now has little to none

@@connerwittig9288 That's pretty much them "trying to get back to their roots". And personally I think it sucked. But that's me.

IMO its because they realistically grew into the success they have from not sticking to the Thrash formula. If they had stuck to what they were doing on "Kill'em all" then they would probably be a Slayer or Megadeth level band. Can sellout a stadium or maybe an Arena (that's the bigger one right?) but never grabbing the attention of the mainstream.

I 100% agree and my favorite genre is hardcore. Thrash is so influential for the hardcore scene. Punk, in general, was influential for all metal, so the real punk should be in S tier with thrash as well

And my Dad LOL

Alcoholic single dads who blast hair/thrash metal and classic rock. My uncle introduced me to sabbath and megadeath

That's not fair. Some of them are on their third marriage now.

It woulda been on the S Tier: Guns n Roses,Motley Crue,Poison,Ratt,Deff Leppard,Whitesnake,Dokken etc

@@laughs2651 As it should be. It's the best music genre and only goregrind comes close.

Lmao this

You win the internet for a month. Grats!

Nice dude

Literally every ad break has had a college degree ad in it

Agreed

Who would you consider stale? I love bands like Taproot, 40 Below Summer, Spineshank, Dry Kill Logic, and Earshot for the exact reasons you laid out, but many people claim bands like them "saturated" nu metal

So, his whole channel? Lol

Lol having an opinion.

everything

metal isn't the best music genre

I think he just did

Clicked INSTANTLY 😂 it worked like a charm. Then he hits us with another raid ad 😭

😱😱😱

Oh dang lol, thanks for reminding me to make another Sarge sticker for Whatsapp

Reminds me of Morgz xd

Fucking right!

it was definitely upsetting not gonna lie. yeah I get that it's been meme'd to death but at least play some AAL or something jeez

Well that is when djent peaked

ironically this was the only one I disagreed on, I think djent was more influential then he thinks. 90% of heavy bands nowadays were inspired by AAL, periphery, ATB etc. I reckon B category would have been more fitting

I believe that was his intended point.

@@Jaydos1470 I LOVE djent, have since Acle was posting 1 minute pre-TesseracT clips on the Harmony Central and Andy Sneap forums. But IMO it's over and done except for the nostalgia, just like thrash. All the stuff that can definitely be classified as "Djent" is more of a Meshuggah tribute than its own thing. Nothing new has evolved from it that is still recognisably "djent". The bands that started there are either still exactly as they were (hello Meshuggah, I still love you) or have morphed into very different sounding bands (hello Contortionist and Vola, I love you more than ever).

The absolute best on Hybrid Theory

@@yew8707 ik its basic but my personal favorite is In the End. Those guitars, man.

Although my fav LP song in general is probably either Faint or Breaking the Habit

S is for slam

Slam is greatest-tier genre....!

SSlam

🙏🏽

Fuck yes, slam rules

so accurate

I love power metal. No other sub genre has a such a disproportionate skill to popularity ratio IMO.

I think he nailed it too. But I would even go as far as to say the foreign guy is also a huge D&D nerd on the side... since there's a huge amount of fantasy themes to the power metal genre

@@poopoogigolo yeah, I was about to say I love power metal! But I’m literally about to play D&D in like an hour 😂 so yeah, your point is proven lmao

ahah same Athough I love me some prog, but prog-metal would've probably been C or even D in my list - it's not super-influental, it never sold well and I'm not a fan of metal side of it/metal in general

My gentle heart couldn’t bear it

I'm a huge fan of "progressive-ness" in music Opeth is my favorite metal band rn That being said, I think "prog" in general is "music-theory-wankery" for me and most of the bands are not even progressive as Metallica imo

I'm also very glad he didn't rank Folk Punk cause I love it but I guess he would have to invent an even lower rank than the lowest

Prog Metal is for desk bangers and virgins

Yeah, I was waiting for these, especially post-hardcore… also, no doom metal ranking was interesting to me too

Nu Metal was a mainstream success because there was a lot of big stars and huge hits on the genre!

X-Tier is the Doom: Eternal OST.

Your right but why do they call it butt metal?

@@Antonjlavey It's because it's very basic music, not much to it, and also because a lot of the music really isn't very good

@@Antonjlavey because it's ass

Totally agree. I would probably B tier it. Maybe C tier at the lowest.

@@arpitdas4263 still way better than than p**** emo rap with face tats

I can't believe nobody has told you "you're everywhere" yet.

@@whosaidthat84 Oh no. They have.

C’MON!

@@quentinbringthenumetalchil5125 Yeaaah!

How many elitists are sticking fingers in their.. _Eeeeeeeeyes?_

I CANNOT say the word "rolling" in my everyday life without that playing in my head. Every. Single. Time.

Nu metal suckkk

That’s basically a $1 quesadilla and a show. Sounds like a good deal to me

C for Quesadilla!

A E DUB

Yeah I meant the fact that the US govt used it to get people to sign their lives away is worth something right?

A-Dash Of-Pepper 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿

That’s a good one, Broseph!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿

ARCH ENEMY!!!

Yeah and i am from sweden so i wanted it to rank high. He should have included melo black metal like dissection.

I love both Metalcore and Melodeath, but Finn is an idiot

Early Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet for my Valentine, early Bring me the Horizon, Killswitch Engage, As I lay dying, All that remains are literally At the Gates Core. I love all of them but you can't deny the Melodeath influence especially At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul. Even the Crabcore bands (who I also love) such as Attack Attack!, Asking Alexandria still had some At the Gates riffage.

Yeah, I love bands like In Flames, Arch Enemy, Children Of Bodom, Darkest Hour, and Parkway Drive.

I agree, if not only for the fact that without it, you don’t get mall-emo, sad-boy pop punk, or emo-rap (which already died like 2 years ago).

The influence is super underrated

@@VCCassidy Emo rap is still huge

100%

Mineral!

I would actually want a short part 2 with nothing but these six genres

@@AngelRuiz-xq2ie pretty pointless since he would rate them all D or lover

and speed metal is one of the most useless genre terms ever

Ughhh prog killed Maiden so it definitely had some influence...

@@rotkvan he would probably rate hair metal around S A or B.

Do you know what band was shown when he talked about Power Metal?

@@Cccharlesarnold Sure do. The band is Frozen Crown. That particular song is called Neverending.

I'll just hop in a tank and teach them about some handsome Italians ...if you get this joke...well it says something about you, not sure what though.

I thought about it but 1 band can't hold the entire genre on it's back and outside of them easy core isn't exactly a headline act

I think considering that plenty musicians in ska play really well they should get more credit.

And he didnt even Mention sublime ;(

The commercially successful ska bands were atrocious but there are probably like maybe 20 great ska bands... I honestly wouldn't stretch much further than that.

The only bit I feel was unfair was the "no new stuff" line - there's a lot of good new ska from the last decade! It just kinda gets ignored by most

Would've been a lot harder if he tried to impersonate Cornell.

Eddie Vedder watch out, Finn is right behind you.

So true. Pretty much all of Metalcore is Djent infused by now. So the influence factor is pretty large. Also there's this splitting of Djent into different styles. Just look at the difference between Meshuggah, Vildhjarta, Modern Day Babylon, (early and current) Intervals or heck even Polyphia. Djent can be implemented in many different styles.

Meshuggah crush, the rest of it is lame.

Grunge should be f tho

@@powersurge_beast why

@@seba24503 little dick energy music

@@seba24503 cuz its trash af

@@GotMilk5769 im asking whats trash about it lol

Nu Metal was the groundwork for all modern metal, without it we would have no downtuned guitars.

Luke Cowley so true. Like Korn is without a doubt one of the main, if not THE influence for extended range guitars in modern metal

Just watched a limp Bizkit live show from a few years ago on RU-vid and that shit still gets me going

Right!

Luke Cowley so Crowbar / Sleep didn’t play downtune ??

"Mall Screamo" isn't an actual genre, so post-hardcore is rolled into what he was referring to as mall screamo along with all the other music from this same era (2001-2008) that was more pop-punk and/or alt-rock adjacent

@DansWarped This is the waaaa-aaa!

Most of the Post-Punk Revivalists came from the 2000s UK Indie scene, mainly raved upon by the NME. The Libertines, Maximo Park, The Vaccines, The Futureheads, The Rakes, The Cribs, etc. A bit of a far cry to the bands featured on this video.

True. It’s like 80’s Heavy Metal but more badass.

i would go to that show!

Yeah that’s dumb. The Clash, The sex pistols, DK etc.. are massively influential and sold millions of records. Most people in the scene don’t even know what crab core is

@@bengreenbank Crabcore isn't even an actual genre, but a term that was coined to make fun of that dorky trend in Metalcore.

because it really wasn't that obscure it was actually massive. Like it or not it was hugely popular, even though it may have been a dorky trend yes, and even though it was a relatively short trend too (2009 to at the LATEST 2014), when it was here it was HUGE. By 2011-2012 it seemed like almost the entirety of the Warped Tour was nothing but crabcore bands.

@@ChrisCoignet still nuts to say a meme was more influential than.. actual punk. that's like saying gangnam style was more influential than sergeant peppers

@@ChrisCoignet It came and went in a blink of the eye. I made a crabcore joke to my girlfriend (who like hardcore-ish music around that time) and she had never even heard of it.

Well I mean he did put nu metal in there

HUGE AGREE

Can you quote were he pretended listing every rock and metal genre ? He is just doing a tier list for the one he talk the most about on his channel

There's also bands that are hard to pin down to a subgenre, but of course there's no way to rank that.

ZA WARUDO

I'm sure they don't take music very seriously like you do

Same bro same 😂

I like some of it, I'm more heavy metal and black metal

That's a really good title for a RU-vid video.

Cliché, but it works

I don't think they did

But everyone knows that story

We NEED this.

Watch this channel for another couple of years You'll be arguing over those stuff, in the comments section Believe me *You will!*

You probably have, if you play it loud enough they’ll be diving under buses!👊

well, american football does come off as pretty satanic "that's life...so social"

Oh yeah, first wave was jamaica in the 60s, second wave UK in the 80s, third wave USA in the 90s

He didn't even consider traditional or two-tone ska. He only considers third wave ska/punk/core as a rock subgenre, which makes sense in the context of the whole video. As much as I love ska (it's in my screen name after all), his assessment of it based on popularity, influence, longevity, and innovation was fair. Other critics have been much less kind to third wave ska, basically calling it shit with no redeeming value whatsoever. Finn at least gives ska credit where it's due.

@@SkaMasta097 Sublime though, is madly respected

@@laurisaarinen1126 it all depends on if you consider Sublime to be a Ska band or not. I love Sublime a lot and they did make quite a few ska songs, but to me they weren't strictly a Ska band. They were their own breed, which was a mishmash of many different genres: reggae, rock, ska, punk, blues, surf rock, hip-hop, etc. They got mad respect, I agree and I think the genre blending is no small part in that.

If you have to reach back to the 70s that kinda proves my point don’t you think?

It strangely hurts to see Shinedown knocked down a peg but this shit keeps me humble.

Aka the most commercial genres. That's what the video is, not best or worst.

Finn has reached his final form!

@@nachshonrorick Finn-troll?

I had to Shazam it. Frozen Crown - "Neverending"

I'd put Blink 182 on the D-Tier.

They're going to walk up and apologize

@@Adam-wl4pt lololololololol

Pearl Jam is slang for *what*

It is a slang "Mother Love Bone" ;)

Now I can never say "Pearl Jam" out loud again. Thanks a lot.

Learn something new and uncomfortable uncomfortable every day.

Nobody asked

As someone who isn’t really a ska fan. In the sense I really (really) like the 90s stuff. The older stuff is a bit mellow, and RBF is my fave band, but I have to concede it’s just rock/punk with trumpets. My ska range is really just regional. I enjoy Spanish, Japanese ska a lot, the Aussie scene though small is really good. The Porkers are fantastic! But I have to confess they all have that 90s third wave Orange County vibe. My point is, I’m what’s wrong with Ska fans 😁

Lmao same. I never heard anyone call them buttrock before tbh

Really? That ‘get up’ song of there’s is pure unfiltered grade-A buttrock at its absolute worst.

Shinedown was great，I still remember first heard their song '45' on radio in summer 2004， instantly picked up the CD after watched their video on Fuse TV, alwasy thought they were Post-Grunge/alt rock

@@Joshua-ww1fz ahah true

All of the band's he mentioned as butt rock shocked me. I like shinedown, disturbed and godsmack. He has the right to his own opinion, but I highly disagree considering those bands are still around today filling up stadiums. Plus Disturbed's The Sickness album was a huge hit in the nu metal scene. I still love it

"Metalcore is basically melodeath lite with breakdowns in my opinion." That would be 2nd Wave Metalcore, a.k.a Melodic Metalcore. OG Metalcore was pioneered throughout the 90s by bands like Converge, Coalesce, Deadguy, Integrity, Earth Crisis, Shai Hulud, Hatebreed, Throwdown, Walls Of Jericho, Biohazard, Botch. Killswitch Engage, As I Lay Dying, All That Remains, Shadows Fall, Heaven Shall Burn, Caliban, Darkest Hour, Unearth, Trivium, Haste The Day, Bullet For My Valentine, August Burns Red, Parkway Drive, Architects, The Devil Wears Prada, Atreyu, Chimaira, Avenged Sevenfold, Norma Jean, Between The Buried And Me, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Bleeding Through and Bring Me The Horizon (to name a few) are the bands who built on that 90s foundation and innovated the genre by adding Melodic Death Metal, Groove Metal, Prog Metal, etc in the early-mid 2000s.