The Romulan Secret - Ancient Androids | Star Trek Picard Theory 

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I like the theory, but my concern is those putting it into practice have more desire to pump up the action, than explore this or its own narrative direction. Something is going to explode in fast edited cuts instead. And that's a shame, because Star Trek is supposed to be about the examination of ideas from multiple sides

Dav Free are you kidding... the action has been low so far

Except it was all incorrect, but 20:20 hindsight is a great thing lol.

Thanks! Originally that’s what the whole video was going to be about and then it just expanded from there :) Even if the rest doesn’t turn out to be true, that’s one of my favourite parts also, and could make a lot of sense for the history of the Vulcans... 🖖

It makes sense, he created the Vulcanritural of Kohlinar, the purging of all emotions, and how Vulcans are obsessed with pure logic.

Haha BSG does seem to be a big influence - as does Blade Runner... I’m not sure who the Conclave of 8 could be, but I almost wonder if it were 8 worlds secret organizations? E.g. romulans zhat vash, earths section 31, Klingon, gorn, Vulcan, andorian, tellerite, cardassian ? I.e. she does mention they operate on many worlds, could organics all be working together secretly in this one case (conclave of 8) in order to oppose those ancient androids? Might explain the attack on Mars also as a joint operation by conclave of 8 as a means to create a synthetic ban... done on a holiday to reduce casualties (first contact day)?

Doesn't account for the Rigelians. oof

The Sleepy Craftsman except it was established that human/cylon hybrids were sterile.

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Would be great to find out which one it was if u remember...

@@StarTrekTheory I think it was this novel. memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Immortal_Coil

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I’m assuming Mars atmosphere is pretty violent since they say ‘Mars is still burning’... the twins would have been made well after the attacks.

Also, Phobos and Deimos, Mar's moon's, are irregular shaped and lumpy. The first is 14 miles at its widest, the other only 8. They don't fit the bill...

Thanks! Haha, I really thought they were doing something like this, and then especially when the evil android (Sutra) did a 'mind meld' and was studying Vulcan history I thought that was a nod to it - who knows maybe it's still in the cards? Thanks for the great comment, glad you liked it!

Not a fan of the AI from another dimension coming through that portal?

Haha Thanks! If they don't end up doing it in the show, maybe I could write a Trek novel one day 😂

@@StarTrekTheory WRITE YOUR FANFIC.

Classic Trek! Still the best...

Yep true, there’s a few candidates...

interesting... I wonder if the "ancient" Synthetics know of the Borg..

Good point, funnily when I saw that shot in the trailer originally I thought it was going to be Dahj playing in that shot... so definately could be a subtle clue! Soji was also barefooted during the escape in the latest episode.

Thanks! New Golden age of Trek ahead hopefully... 🤞

@@StarTrekTheory Rios is reading a book about Surak: Surak and Existentialism

kirtanmedia really? That would be a huge hint if so...

That would be nice to see what happened to them... not to mention the overall Borg themselves too!

That would be an amazing clue if so..

Haha if it’s really true I’m not sure how I’ll feel too 😂 Although it would certainly bring new meaning to rewatches of TOS.

Haha... don’t you know, all spies use Raybans (even in the future) 😂

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Haha 😂 thanks!

Haha true... actually I just had a thought - what would happen if one of those ancient androids were assimilated? Would the Borg cube shutdown perhaps? Could assimilating an organic android confuse the Borg or allow the android to access their computer and issue a shutdown command? Could be what happened, someone on that Romulan shuttle was one of those ancient androids undercover? 🤔

100% I agree, they will tie the two stories together. I fully expect to see captain picard of the discovery with Burnham as his 1st officer.

@@StarTrekTheory A couple theories. First, I'd suggest that the Borg already assimilated one of the organic spheres a long, long time ago. Still not as old and as well knowledged as the one we see in Discovery, but versed enough to give the Borg collective an upper hand on many, many species throughout the galaxy. That is why the Borg knows of the existence of various species, and that is why they know they can overwhelm & defeat most of them. It is also why the Borg collective adopted the sphere shape as well. Secondly, and my personal fav (though it'll never happen), is that we have completely misread the purpose of the Borg this entire time. Allow me to explain... I keep going back to the Zhat Vash claim that their mission is so secret that learning of it woul "break peoples minds". The only minds we see 'broken' are the former Romulans on the Cube. Meaning, they get broken once they become assimilated and they learn the truth about the Borg. And to a lesser extent, humans and other races also have their minds tested, if not broken, once they too have been assimilated. Like Picard, Seven, Hugh, etc. I think that the mind-breaking secret is that much of the life as we know it is synthetic (ala Westworld). Not all of it, but far more than we realize. And groups like the Zhat Vash, and maybe Section 31 and others are well aware and are doing what they can to root them out for the sake of organic life everywhere. But back to the Borg... I think that the Borg was created, ironically, as a means to root out all synthetic life in the galaxy. When they "assimilate" peoples they aren't stripping their essence away at all, but rather morphing each species into an organic/synthetic marriage that cannot ever be replaced by synthetic life alone. The Borg isn't a plague, but rather a cure for the entire galaxy. More ironic still, is that the Androids Dajh & Soji created by Soong and Maddox and Jurati represent the perfection that the Borg was trying to achieve for the galaxy all along. And soon the Borg Collective, awoken by the presence of Locutus on the cube, will become aware of the existence of Soji, and will stop at nothing to have her ascend to become their new Borg Queen, with the renewed purpose of replacing all life with her same schematics. And the only way the Borg, lead by their new Queen will be defeated, is for Picard to sacrifice himself, become Locutus once more, slay the Queen (the Queen is dead, long live the King) before ultimately sabotaging the cube by destroying it, and thus saving the galaxy once more.

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The Katra thing is weird tho... it was stored in a statue for a thousand years (seems unrealistic, unless it was a digital memory)... so maybe we assume it’s not a proper katra in the traditional sense (which according to Sarek is fragile) but is rather a digital memory of the AI of Surak? The interview of Rhonda could be unrelated to that secret (I.e. they could have gained that info from the collective when they were assimilated)? Wonder if it is a borg cube from the future which is what made it shutdown when it came back in time?

@@StarTrekTheory while i don't know how the Katra repository works i find it unlikely that a national human mind could be compatible a AI constructe based on heuristic algorithms. As for Rhonda she said that she recognized Soji from tomorrow. What ever happened caused her and her crew to go mad and it all happened around the same time the attack on Mars took place ir seems like too much of a coincidence.

I considered that idea also, it might explain how the assimilated Romulans can’t readjust (their programming has been altered too much)... but you’d think someone would have figured it out by now dissecting ex-Borgs and any time a Romulan died over the years... and also why would Jurati be compelled to kill to protect that secret, which wouldn’t seem ‘that bad’?

for the God emperor.

That would be a great way to loop it all together... like a weapon that got out of control and was actually after the androids in the lab rather than the scientists.

Of course it is. It's being deliberately concealed. How is that not a secret? That's the definition of secret.

You know the whole idea actually started from that - because in the episode his Katra is actually ‘stored’ in a statue... it’s not passed down in peoples minds, it was put in a tomb which the leader of the rebels finds at the start of the episode and then his Katra goes into him (and later Archer)... to me I found it so strange someone’s essence could exist inside a statue for literally a thousand years 😂 why don’t all the Vulcans do that? So it felt more like a program that had been stored digitally in a device and then uploaded to the persons brain? Not saying the Katra idea isn’t real, but in that particular case it seems to make more sense it was a digital program surviving through time in that statue device and uploading into their minds.

@@StarTrekTheory You remembered more about the episode than I did. It's been so long since I've seen it that I had forgotten about the statue thing. The only other time I've seen a statue contain the essence of a being in Star Trek was in DS9 when Dukat broke open that small statue and released a pah-wraith into himself. And I guess there was also that time when Sisko broke a Bajoran artifact and released both a pah-wraith and a prophet. But in both of those instances, we're talking about beings that always exist in a non-corporeal state. It's different with a katra, or at least it should be. Otherwise, why didn't Sarek ask to see if he could detect Spock's katra in the Enterprise's walls in Star Trek III?

@@InJeffable Haha exactly, if Vulcans could store themselves in objects then THAT would be a game changer ;) So it suggests Surak was somehow different to others...?

Don't forget, in TOS episode "Return to Tomorrow", the three ancient aliens living in those failing spheres that occupied Kirk, Spock, and the Lady Doctors bodies. They were building android bodies to put their 'Essences" in...

Was it a similar story?

@@StarTrekTheory an android in search of his maker find that he's part of a lineage of androids that has served civilization for millennia.

@@StarTrekTheory a secret cabal of androids working behind humankind in a progressively way

Wow sounds really familiar 😂. That would have been a fun tv series, I wonder if they are inspired by it? Gene Roddenberry’s son is a producer on Picard also, maybe they’re using parts of it for inspiration for the plot?

@@StarTrekTheory maybe, but it feels good to make the connection ;

144 years later? That's some slow bureaucracy...

Haha could be... Like Picasso once said... “Good artists copy, Great artists steal” 😂

@@StarTrekTheory So you're saying Kurtzman is a great artist then!?!

Haha 😂

Even if the Vulcans made the Borg I think there's more to it than just that. I think there's a secret that it's so powerful that assimilation by the Borg is the least thing the Galaxy has to worry about

Vulcans/Romulans and the Borg? Color me interested, where'd that theory come from?

Thanks! I had thought maybe the fires on Mars contributed to those stormy skies (since Dahj/Soji were made 3 years prior to the series, which is long after the Mars attack) and the 'blood red' moons because of the red atmosphere from all the fires...

@@StarTrekTheory If the atmosphere of Mars is on fire I'm pretty sure no one would be living there.

Haha she’s one of the best new characters on the series 😆

@@StarTrekTheory She stated that Romulans didn't work with cybernetics, but in T.N.G. a Romulan embasidor told Data "He knew of alot of Romulan cybernetisist who would love to get there hands on him"... ain't canon a bitch.

I’m still Convinced there’s more going on under the surface with Surak (all the references to Vulcans by the synths, and the book on surak), and Narek’s comment about ‘before our ancestors arrived on Vulcan’... definitely could be a possibility the Borg tie in somehow centuries ago...

@@StarTrekTheory and you have a synth doing a mind meld --- coincidence? Now forgive me- the current vulcan is not part of the jj kirk prequal trilogy is it?? - thats a different story line or is it connected? - but from watching enterprise- capt Archer gets the suruk pyramid artifact- there may be more artifacts on the original Vulcan- so I hope it wasn't blown up by bruce banner actor (forgotten his name) in unification their dialogue between data and spock- and spock says data is what most vulcans inspire to be, devoid of emotion etc - and data replies the opposite that spock is ignoring his human half something data has always wanted. the vulcan history suggests that vulcans were wild and over emotional and logic saved them- but the romulans don't really show that wildness- and romulans are, (well time has changed them) but romulans are not wild and crazy- they developed their own system and ships and light speed. they have achieved the same technology as the vulcans- so this does put doubt in my mind that surak was as good as they make him out to be. i really hope that create stories that connect back to previous episodes and not make up some brand new thing for the sake of it. but I love where picard is going season 2 should be interesting (I hope they froze picards body and corrected the brain issue- so he can jump back in his body at a later stage- yeah I know I am all for equality but I Like picard being a human Time will tell- I do look forward to the picard woopi reunion tho

@@StarTrekTheory I would love to delve into borg origins tho- with seven and lacutis its a wonderful area to go into. if the borg were created by the super synths- and now picard is a synth who was previously a borg- thats a very interesting dynamic

@@woodchup Thx for the great comment! Yes, the synth doing the mind meld to me felt weird and possibly a clue...? I really still think Surak was a synthetic himself and he set the Vulcans on the path to logic. The Romulans were just Vulcan rebels to this new extremist leader and fought to save their own way of life - ultimately losing and leaving the planet. Probably why they are so untrustworthy :). I too really hope they tie back future Picard to old series, let's hope!

@@woodchup Let's hope they explore this aspect more, and the Borg in general, in Season 2!

😂 We can only hope