NGL. I do not have this problem as my husband and my self make a lot of disposable income. I however refuse to pay these gouging prices. I waited until the day before the 4090 launch and bought azotac 3090ti for little less than a grand brand new on amazon. that same card is now...and again nearly 2000 bucks.
It's not nvdia, it's the scalpers who showed everyone what people were actually willing to pay. Even now you can't find a 4090 at msrp because the scalpers gobbled them up and littered ebay with them.
When the 3000 series "launched" and ppl bought crazy scalper prices everywhere I just kept thinking "nvidia must be seeing this and thinking: ok, we can even sell them for THAT prices and people rip them off the shelves"... We kind of showed them that the price that just doesnt matter, at least for enough of ppl to sell out their cards.
I had the same thought about the scalpers, I don't blame NVDIA for having higher prices this time around as the scalpers showed that people were willing to pay more for the cards. I wonder if the 4080 also launched at 700 dollars would we just have the same issue as last time with scalpers. Might be different with crypto miners being less of a factor this time, but who knows, we may never see the 700 msrp xx80 card again lol
I wasn't planning on buying this generation, but I'm loving that people are willing to switch when there's a viable alternative and not just being blindly loyal.
Same and I've always been with Nvidia but now that and gonna have same performance with less cost and their temperatures have improved drastically I'll be upgrading my 3070 to a 7900xt or xtx which ever is available and not sold out lol cause for 1000 or even1200 for an Asus one or some shit that's way cheaper than Nvidia
Me as well. However, keep in mind that if NVidia had given fair prices, you would pay the scalpers 1500-2000$ for the 4080. It might get scalped even so.
It is beating a 2000 dollar card (3090ti) now used 1050-1150 Idk.. I think it's still worth it, but next time I upgrade I'll make a near 2x jump. Currently have a 3090
@@bozhidardimitrov3573 I'm okay with a halo product, that's the best and fastest available and other cut of the chips at a cheaper price, and whatever fits in my price range when I'm ready to upgrade, I'm not saying I want them to be more expensive so I can't afford it.
No kidding, just checked amazon and 6905xt is at $1k and the 3090 ti is $1.7k The difference is an entire graphics card and they're about the same in performance...
Biggest IT/everything shop in a country has 4090 gainward phantom in presale for 1 994 .. but yeah, 2k for better AIB 4080 cards is freakin INSANE.... even asking MSRP for xx80 card is INSACE
Looking at the comparative charts, I'm seeing pretty much 50% more performance across the board compared to the RTX 3080. Yet this comes at a 70% higher price. That's a hard pass from me. I'll be waiting for the RX 7900 XT and XTX reviews. If they deliver close to what's been promised/shown by AMD, it's going to be a much, MUCH better value proposition (with an actually higher performance increase than pricing increase over the 6950 XT). Honestly have to say I am deeply disappointed by Nvidia this generation. I would've loved to get myself a 30 series GPU but alas the crypto-craze and scammers made that purchase prospect void. It's just now that the 30 series GPUs finally got down to actual MSRP over here. But with the 40 series, Nvidia hiked the prices up MASSIVELY (owing to a good chunk of greed but also because they chose to go with the most expensive silicon they could've possibly chosen) AND then doubled down on scammy tactics like trying to bluff that "4080" 12GB past the consumers at 900 bucks and let's be honest here, compared to previous hardware comparisions between xx90, xx80 and xx70 tiers that chip isn't even a 4070 Ti. These proportions of CUDA cures to the rest of the line-up would traditionally be more in thr xx60/60 Ti ballpark ... and Nvidia fully intended to sell that for 900 bucks before that bluff was called. No, I'm definately eying the 7900 GPUs. If they deliver on the promises the XTX should be trading blows or even outperforming the 4080 in non-RT performance (and I don't care enough for RT to be paying premium for it) and be considerably cheaper. And if those GPUs disappoint, I'll wait to see what a 7800 GPU looks like or I'll just get a previous generation 30 or 6000 series GPU and save a LOT of money.
Someoen wants driver issues and instability. AMD isn't really competing against Nvidia. The only thing that is intresting is performance at highest gpu settings. And you can't play old games with AMDshit.
@@daffhead4975 crazy enough mw2 is one of the biggest releases of the year yet it runs terrible on nvidia cards and recently had driver issues for the game
@@daffhead4975 What a fanboy you are, huh? Nvidia has melting connectors and lately some drivers instability with new titles. I've had issues with Nvidia's drivers lately and a few days ago they launched a patch just for that.
My biggest issue with the price is aside from the FE, you're not finding a card for $1200, most of them are 1400-1500 which is just insane for a 80 series card. They are just pricing the average person out of the market which is sad.
Yeah, I agree with you on that. Its as if NVidia have laid a base price that AIB cannot go down to. Lets just hope the 7900XTX is obtainable at the $999 which will be £1099 in the UK :(
@@mikem9536 Consoles are always a steal, since they are typically sold at cost or even a loss. Problem is if you want more performance than consoles offer, your only option is PC.
@@mrtuk4282 Here's a better idea... Instead of whining about halo-level prices, how about you WAIT for the RX 7800 XT which will probably be about $350 less than the 7900 XT but less than 10% slower. That's how it works with Radeons. If you don't believe me, look up the performance difference between the RX 6800 XT and the RX 6900 XT on TechPowerUp. Then look at the two MSRPs. You'll see that one was $999 and one was $649. So, instead of crying about how much the RX 7900 XTX is, how about you just buy SMARTER? It's not exactly rocket science you know.
I think the 4080 is a great card. It is a beast, with great power efficiency. Sure, the pricing is rather bad, but everybody seems to be considering the US situation. I live in Eastern Europe and here, the price of the last generation never even got close to MSRP - with the mining fever and the scalpers, all gpus were ridiculously expensive. It is nothing new for us. It is also often said that there is no point buying the 4080 because with just a little stretch, you can get the 4090 and it is stronger. Again, might be true in the US, but not in my area. Here, the 4090 costs a good 40% extra over the 4080, that really does not make it a "little stretch" or even a good deal. I decided picking up a 4080 - for a quite good local price - I play on 1440p, with no plans to go over to 4k anytime soon, so this card is going to be perfect for me for a looong time. I could also put it in my current rig, with plans of upgrading the rest sometime next year. I couldn´t have done that with the 4090. Also, the price difference between the 2 gpus just simply did not justify the 4090 to be a good choice. Definitely not in my region.
Hey I play at 4K on my 4080, so even if you wanted to go to 4K you'd be fine. I get 75-95fps on Overdrive on cyberpunk with DLSS and FG, while the 4090 gets around 100-120. The 4080 is amazing for 4K and you'd love it.
I'm still waiting for AMD because the graphs showed the 6950XT giving a decent fight to a 3090 TI so I'm wondering how strong of a fight the 7900 XTX is going to put up.
Even at a conservative +50% compared to the 6950XT, the 7900 XTX should beat the 4080 in raster pretty comfortably in both 4k and 1440p, but we'll see.
@@toddbair9347 yeah and at a lower price, lower power consumption, current 8pin connectors, smaller size, and more compatability with most peoples setups.
@@DanWalt Damn that is def a steal. I love that first world countries with 3-5 times the purchasing power of devloping ones also have lower prices on tech and basically everything aside from real estate
I don't even know why Jay bothered testing the RX 6900 XT. He didn't even mention it once. He's such a shill for nVidia that he makes Linus appear honest in comparison.
It probably would have been a good idea to mention to your viewers that AMD’s 7900XTX may end up trading blows with the RTX 4080 for $200 less Just for those that don’t pay attention like the rest of us to do.
7900XTX is 8% slower than a 4090 at 4K in Cyberjunk 2077, a game which typically favors Nvidia. Reference 7900XTX is underclocked by 500Mhz and 150W, and is missing an 8-pin connector compared to AIBs. If the 7900XTX can get as close as 10% in 4K gaming, that means we will be getting around equal 1440p, and better 1080p than the 4090. AMD cards are always better at lower resolutions than 4K.
Or that the 7900xtx will end up trading blows (and losing) to the rtx 4060 in games like Microsoft flight Sim, because no dlss3 - at least until FSR3 gets here. Yeah that would ALSO be good to mention. Because anyone wanting to go amd should know how badly behind even their top card will be in dlss3 games But apparently the main feature of the cards is unfavourable to the narrative of the review so is omitted. Because the reviewers wouldn't want you to know that a 4080 will take your ms fs 2020 4k framerates from 50 fps in new York to something like 100 fps (or 150fps with a 4090), while every 3000 series and amd card will be stuck at 50 fps because it lacks dlss3 It would be good to know for people wanting a card for that game Same story in cyberpunk
@@Tom--Ace right, but not every game supports DLSS 3, and not everyone will want to use DLSS 3. Which is usually why we use pure rasterization for benchmarks, although DLSS 3 is a really good improvement over 2. FSR 3 isn’t out yet, but when I comes out, it may be able to trade blows with DLSS 3. There are talks that FSR 3 may utilize AI, especially considering how much of an FPS boost AMD is saying it gives. All speculation though, AMDs cards haven’t been reviewed and FSR 3 isn’t out yet.
In terms of pure cost to performance, the 4090 is a better value than the 4080. They are both very expensive and neither is an objectively good value but the 4090 is worth the cost premium over the 4080. Having said that, many of us just buy what suits our needs and don't buy the flagship product if we don't need it. I went with the 4080 because it was still a massive upgrade over my 3080 and chose not to spend the extra for the 4090. I am still able to max out the refresh rate of my 4K, 144HZ display in games like Forza Horizon 5 even with the graphics settings turned up to max. The card still allows me to use ray tracing ultra in games like Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K and average 70FPS. For 4K gaming, the 4080 is a great option even if it is a terrible value.
Yeah and for anyone with 3d rendering workflows, nvidia is still gonna be miles ahead for most software. Even new flagship amd gpus would be a downgrade to my 3070ti. That's a big reason I just opted to get the suprim 4080 for ~1100
Everyone keeps saying things like this but it's even worse than that, a new gen replacing an older card should be the exact same price, a 4080 should cost the same as a 3080 did at launch, if the price of every new 80 card being released goes up in price this much, by 2030 cards will cost $4000 each.. Nvidia fanboys are so stupid they dont see what they're supporting because they're mind controlled sheep
True. Just a shame that AMDs driver is still garbage, especially in comparison to Nvidias and stuff like Nvidia Inspektor, SGSSAA, etc. As an enthusiast, AMD sadly isnt relevant due to the lack of driver tweaking.
Yeah but issue is, since these cards make 4K look so easy to run, it's stupid not to run Ray Tracing now, I have 4090 and literally I get CPU bottleneck anytime Ray Tracing is off, so RTX sort of becoming a free feature not like before cost so much performance to run
@@muchossaugus9927 Have you used the drivers this year? Cause there is a lot of tweaking options. Plus you don't need an account to use any locked features.
I have a 2080 Super and would love to see the performance metrics of 20-series compared to 40-series. A lot of us didn't get a 30-series because of the GPU shortages going on.
Yeah I have a 2070. Usually wait 2 gens regardless for a new card...but 20 series suck at this point in a lot of games. MW2 Im hardly getting 120 fps with lower settings at 1080p on my 2070.
@@Siegefya Yes, it's a shit game and poorly optimized. Don't let one crappy game determine if your GPU is weak though. My 2080 Super eats everything else I throw at it. But like you say, I get around 110 fps tops except in Gulag in Warzone 2.0 and it dips to 70 often so that is depressing. It really is just lazy ass devs though just not taking time to optimize their games.
@@messiahshow see i wasn't even aware that it was poorly optimized, thanks for the information. my 2070 is ok, but tbh I don't know if I can skip another generation...usually I get a new card ever 2 gens, so idk we'll see.
Jay's iFixit ad is the only ad (across all youtubers) that I always let run right through without skipping - very funny (great for viewers) & that's got to be fantastic for the advertiser (we actually listen to the sponsor).
Absolutely. I got 1440p ultra wide (3440x1440) and my 2080 is still sufficient for basically anything. I'm planning to get a 7900 XTX and then I should get insane FPS for a long time. No need for 4k here.
yea i got my 3080ti around the beginning of the year cus it was on clearance (which considering the gpu crisis was still goin, was probably the right call to snag), and its still truckin on for 1440p and even 4k
0 improvement in perf/price over the 3090Ti where it is listed it's just so much more expensive Nvidia just fudged the numbers with frame generation shit. You know it doesn't retail at msrp
I had a 3090ti and now a 4090 for work in 3D Studio Max and Unreal Engine and Graphic Design projects, but I have to admit AMD did a heck of a job on so many angles from technology and production to Prices and made no real promises they would have to back track on. AMD nailed that pricing and Spec/Performance point.
A quadro would be better for your use case with professional software and would have it's own SSD for big frame buffers and would cost the same as your 3090ti and 4090 combined
I have to respectfully disagree with Jay’s take on this review. Regardless of the power cord melting issues, which in it’s own right, is an embarrassment that it hasn’t been thoroughly tested before being sent out to the public, the price is utterly atrocious. It’s not even “subjective”. The bang for your $ is laughable. You should expect better performance at each generation with incremental price jumps at worst.A 3080 msrp was $700. A markup to $1200 doesn’t justify the performance jump, that’s already expected because it’s the next generation. I really hope people wake up to this, it’s sad enough as it is that we’ve move from 980ti’s msrp of $650 to now a 4080 (not a 4080ti) having such an egregious jump.
Oh my God. Are we really about to go down this path like 4G LTE (not meeting official 4G requirements because it's "long term evolution")? It's all bullshit marketing once again. At least intel, with their 14nm+++, actually calls it 14nm.
@@triparadox.c I'm sorry what? I'm saying Jay called it 4nm. That's a physical property difference from 5nm, a completely different node. It's completely different. 4N is what Nvidia uses, which is 5nm. Ur not making any sense.
Fr, semiconductor manufacturers calling their shit "Nx" or "xN" is so misleading. No other reason i see to call it "4N" other than to make people think that it's 4nm.
im personally waiting to see the AMD offering, and too see reviews... lets hope AMD comes out and slaps Nvidia arounds a little in the 4080 price range.
I bought a 4080 FE, not concerned with the connector, I don't think it can draw enough power to burn it up as you mentioned. Very satisfied with the performance, I game @ 1440p and every game I play with ultra settings I'm seeing nearly 200 FPS at all times paired with a 7700X.
question, i’m currently trying to build a setup with the exact same cpu/gpu, would you mind telling me the rest of your build? it would save me some time in research.
@@isaacevans5893 I recently upgraded to 4080 from 2080 ti. My cpu is i9 9900k with 32 gb 3600 mhz ram. I have great fps at ultra settings at pretty much every game at 1440p as well. Just make sure you have a case that you can fit a 4080 without any issues cuz it comes with the same size as 4090!
The 2080 had an msrp of $699. The 3080 had an msrp of $699. The 4080 is $1199 - &1499 This is not subjectively bad pricing. This is objectively awfull. Comparing it's price and price to performance to a 2 generation old flagship (that was a bad deal at the time) to make it sound good is a huge mental stretch. To the point where you're being dishonest with yourself. Using that logic: the 3080 ti was a great deal at $1200; when it should have been the $1500 3090 if not $2000 3090ti at that price.
I managed to grab a 3080 fe at the end of March, right before availability picked up. Once it did I started to question my purchase slightly. Ever since the 40 series launch, I feel better about my purchase each day.
I just got a 3080 for $680. I am so happy with the upgrade and glad I got it for a reasonable price. After 5 years of an RX480 it feels like I just upgraded my bicycle to a corvette
For the price to performance metric, I'm holding off until next month to see how the 7900XT does. I don't really care about Real Time Raytracing, so I feel like AMD's cards will be a better value proposition for me looking for a rasterized native 4K gaming card. Assuming they perform well once reviews are out that is.
What is the most difficult to run title you intend to play? That's what it's all about If you want the best cyberpunk experience, can't go past 4000 series. Raytracing definitely makes the game look a lot better. If you like Microsoft flight Sim 2020, you definitely want 4000 series. Dlss3 is a game changer here. Even a 4060 or 4070 will run the game better than a 7900xtx. If neither of those games matters to you, and you are playing games like red dead redemption or GTA 5 etc, then 7900xtx is a great value choice, although you should really ask if you need such a powerful card for comparatively easy to run games - modern games are generally hard to run when using RT, not rasterisation. If you like VR and want the best possible VR fps, then 7900xtx may be a good choice, we will have to see reviews, although 4090 stands head and shoulders above the others here. However, depending on resolution, a 24gb card such as the 3090 might actually outperform the 7900xtx or 4080 in VR (we will have to see), due to the very high vram requirements at extreme VR resolutions (the 3080 and amd 6000 series were terrible compared to the 3090 in VR)
Same for me. I don't care about raytracing yet. When games begin using raytracing as the whole lighting system it'll look amazing and i'll start caring about it, at its current form its just used for horribly performing shadow or reflection setting in games.
Jay: "The price of the 4080 is subjective" --- No. It's simply bad. Unless your name is Jensen. Launch prices: GTX 1080: $599 --- 2080: $699 --- 3080: $699 --- 4080: $1199. How is that insane price jump subjective in any way? I mean, even with the high inflation and the increase in VRAM etc., $999 would be pushing it. I fear that next we'll hear - The 4070 has 80% more performance than the 3070, so the $899 price seems reasonable...
We're going to have to wait until they release a $700 card to get a real idea of how the 40 series compares to the 30. I'm guessing that will be the 4060 or 4070 and it will be in the same ballpark as the 3080, so basically no actual gen on gen increase. They really haven't left themselves much room to beat the more reasonably priced 30 series cards.
They don’t want to beat the 30 series That’s the point They have an inventory problem and need to clear stock. A cheap 4080 would kill the 30 series and that’s what they DONT want At least for now
@@eliashabash7591 What happens then? The 30 series cards will sell out eventually and they'll have to release the lower tier 40 series cards. Once that happens they will have put themselves in a difficult position.
@@ClellBiggs Nvidia already holds their inventory and trickle their stock out to vendors. Both Best Buy and MicroCenter reported this. They're barely seeing 30 series cards come in and its not due to stock issues. Its because the 40 series launched and they want you to buy those up. They are tracking their vendors and sending what they need to where so its the ONLY thing on the shelf. They are creating a false shortage knowing it'll get bought out by the desperate.
Given what the 7900XT and XTX is supposed to offer, Nvidia really doesn't interest me much anymore. With the 30 series, I would've went with them because the raw performance is needed for the game I primarily run. The 40 series and 7000 series look to be able to meet my needs without having to go top of the line, and the AMD pricing looks to be the deciding factor.
@@lyianx maybe, but nothing earth shattering. It's the new Microsoft Flight Sim, and I use a 4k60 monitor. With a 3080ti, it would just barely hit 60fps on ultra settings, and that's without ray tracing (which the game doesn't have). The 6950 XT runs about 50-55 fps if I'm not mistaken, and I start to notice jittery motion at 50fps. Not screen tearing as I have free sync on, but things just take a noticeable dive in smoothness between frames. I'm not interested in things like FSR, DLSS, and frame generation. I can't make use of anything over 60 fps anyway, and I prefer keeping resolution native if possible for the best image quality.
Honestly, I bought a 7900xtx to give AMD a chance, what a stuttering mess that was about as good as my 3070ti in VR. Bought a 4080. Buttery smooth, and it literally fit in my case with half an inch to spare. Couldnt go 4090 even if i wanted to, because my psu is 850 and my case isnt big enough. I am so happy with my 4080
I don’t think the price is there for it to be worth it. I’ll be looking into the new AMD cards to see if the performance is there for the $1K price point.
Are the NVIDIA card to expensive hell yeah no one can say otherwise but I hate AMD they have always sucked balls in the GPU department in my opinion. They also suck at updating drivers pretty bad they might be ok I guess in the midrange but yeah that just my opinion.
@@Ragnar0321 so bad it trade blows with a 3090Ti while costing msrp 400$ less with no driver issue as they used to. but sure they suck maybe try to open your eyes for a change
@@antoinedenis9922 why get so but hurt over a comment? Maybe get a life and learn to accept others opinion I never stated they were facts. Yes on benchmarks they might trade blows but from what I personally seen with friends that have amd the games we play tends to run at lower fps and have some stability issues. Also to me amd sucked and are still bad as issuing drivers for fixes or new games.
Was planning to wait and see for the 7800xt, but a 6900xt TUF went on sale for $800CAD at my local computer store and I jumped on it (upgrading from a 1650 super). Was sold out throughout Canada the next day, so I think I made the right call.
Would be an amazing card at $800 which would be $100 over the MSRP of the 3080 (for increased production cost) but at $1,199 I can’t stomach a $400 increase. The card is really good but as long as the prices are the way they are I’ll stay with the 3080 until things get back to a norm or I’ll just go second hand when next Gen hits or find a good open box refurb deal just can’t spend that much it’s insane, and I’m not just putting this on Nvidia because AMD is and will take advantage just not as much.
i see it this way: in germany, the msrp for the card is 1470€. the KFA2 costum card, goes for 1999€. in 2017, i paid 512€ for my gtx 1080. its just insane. think about what that means for 4070 and 4060 pricing. there could very well be a 800€ 4060ti
Assuming the AMD cards come in about where everyone is expecting...this generation will be 4090 when you want best of the best and don't care about cost, or one of the 2 new AMD if you want a step below that but at much less cost. The 4080 at this price point just doesn't seem to fit anywhere.
@@brandon10301991 The only person I know who bought a 3080 bought it at 800€ (so slightly above MSRP) just after launch. Another friend & I went with the 6900XT.
Please always include 1080p fps in your videos. I will probably rock 360+hz monitors in 1080p for a very long time. These benchmarks really help with knowing the fps difference
Why does that surprise you? The 6950 has always been on par with the 3090, trading blows depending on the game. Nvidia fanboys would have you believe its not as good though and that AMD "wasnt completing" when they really were. The only thing thats holding them back now is RT performance, and id still bet that the majority of people dont play with RT on the vast majority of the time.
And AMD fanboys would tell you that it's better than a 3090 TI and leave out the fact that the drivers have suffered terribly, black screen issues, FPS drops, Inconsistencies all around.
Some of those graphs had the 3090 ti beating the 6950 by over 20 FPS.... ONE graph had the 6950 beating the 3090 TI by 9 FPS with Tomb Raider... That's not competing in my book.
curious to see where the RX 7900 XTX slots in this chart.... If I take 1,5x RX 6950XT it most of the times gets between the 4090 and the 4080.... If that's true, that would be a very nice deal..
So pleased with my £700 6950XT. Love to see it doing so well in the charts, outside of RT it’s an amazing card. Even with RT, it’s often circa 2080Ti levels of performance which I’m more than fine with.
I picked up a 6800XT for 515$ a couple weeks ago and it's everything I could ever need and am so happy I got an amazing card for under a third of that disgusting 4090
The last time building a pc was this expensive consoles used to rule... time to go back to consoles I guess. I can get an xbox and a playstation for the price of 1 gpu LOL
I was holding out to get a 40 series but came across a used 3080 for about 500USD. Picked it up. I’m happy with the performance at 4K too. If I manage to sell my 2060 at about 200USD, overall it’d be a great deal.
Yea im snagging a 3080ti for 400 used as well. And no it was not used as a mining card. Otherwise i'd be looking at AMD for sure. Nvidia can f right off with their price gouging.
Last year I did 3 builds. Two with a 3080Ti FE, 3090 FE, Asus ROG 6900xt. I'll be doing all AMD builds again in the future after seeing and feeling the difference of what I felt to be true performance of that card over the Nvidia software uplift.
Far too expensive to my liking - waiting on the 7900 XTX numbers before I decide on the path. Staying on my current card is still very much a plan too.
I'm not worried about the adapter on that 3080 since as you showed its power draw is rather significantly lower, and that is an impressive showing considering the CUDA core difference between the 80 and 90, but I'm still mad at Nvidia for all the crap they've been pulling recently and their ridiculous treatment of AIBs. So, despite the fact that I've been on team green since the days of the 8800, I'm waiting for AMD's showing this time around. Based on the 6950's performance, there's easily enough room there for the 7900XTX to come out swinging and eat some of Nvidia's lunch. They just have to stick the landing.
The power draw in the adapter isn't the issue. The bend on them was causing breaks in the metal internals of the connector itself. Because the two conductors were so close together, the current was arcing between them. Since air is an insulator, when electricity passes through it, there is tremendous friction, light and heat. That's how arc welders and lightning bolts work. It doesn't matter how much current in this case because even 100W would melt plastic when arcing.
Seeing how the 6950xt is around $800 rn and can hold up that well Is incredible and having the 7900xtx coming soon at around 1k, I feel AMD is gonna end up winning this time around even if it doesn't give the same FPS and speeds as the 4090
I went with the 4080 FE to retire my EVGA 1080Ti SC. I wasn't happy about the cost, and I would have gone with the 4090 instead, but that's even more. Plus I would have needed to upgrade my 850w PSU as well. I've been happy with my 4080 though. Compared to my 1080Ti, it's a HUGE leap up. I hope AMD kicks themselves into gear though. I'd love to move from Team Green to Team Red to pair with my 5900x. But they still lack too much on FSR & RT. They also slack on video encode/transcode. Plex doesn't even support AMD cards for HW ac either unfortunately. Maybe when the time comes to refresh my 4080, AMD will have met or surpassed Nvidia. Time will tell. For now though, I'm loving the 4080 FE. My bank account wants to kill me though lol
The 4080 will be more than enough until the 60 series comes out then you snag the 4090 for a much lower price and be set damn near forever….as long as ur fine with playing at no higher than 3-4K
I really want to see the 7900 XTX benchmarks for comparison. My new rig is going to have one of these big flagship cards. I never really seriously considered the 4090 the way I did consider the 3090 almost 2 years ago. the 4080 seems like a really great spot, but I am also very tempted by the 7900 XTX. I want to see that comparison because I do think it's between those 2 cards for me.
Honestly it depends on the game you play, the 7900 is better in some games but the 4080 performs better on average, the 7900 also lacks raytracing performance and has many issues in vr and issues with drivers that will hopefully be fixed, I’d wait until the 7900 xtx settles and decide from there
Wow! Looking at just straight up gaming maxed out without raytracying and seeing what the 6950XT was doing compared to the 3090/3090ti. Makes me wonder just how the 7900XT will perform with its 20gigs / infinity cache / and most importantly 320-bit bus. Not to mention the 7900XTX. Keeping in mind they said the XTX is the 4080 competitor.
I am now in the position to build an entirely new system. For the first time ever I am leaning towards an all AMD setup. I am upgrading from an Intel 4670k with 970 nvidia. I understand that no matter what I choose it will be a significant increase in performance.
I feel a lot more confident in the 4080 as a product but the price point is way out of what I feel is reasonable for my needs. I currently have a 3070 and don't see changing that for at least a few more years.
Only for VR all these new overpriced cards really make sense. On a monitor, even a big one, WQHD is more than enough and therefore you 3070 is more than enough as well. Why so many people spend so much money on these cards considering VR remains a niche, that is a mystery.
Nvidia thinks they can justify these prices because of what happened 2 years ago; the US gov't sent out stimulus money, people were staying at home due to Covid (more time to play games), and also before the crypto crash. This generation is just ludicrous with it's FE pricing let alone the AIB prices. No thanks, I'll pass. I'm hoping the 7900xtx will be somewhere in between the 4080-4090 benchmark numbers and the 7900xt will be right on par with the 4080. Even at $999, that is still pricey.
I was going for the 4080 until AMD announced the 7900XTX... now i'm waiting for the review of those cards because their price/performance ratio should make a little more sense expecially here in Europe (the 4080 here launches at 1500€)... mabye for the first time i'll go with team red
i always always make jay laugh especiallly with my asteriod jokes the ones when an astronuat steps on an asteriod and a astriood says stops stepping on me coz its one small step for man one giant leap for the talisman
7900xtx is quite close in raster to a 4090 and it's rt performance seems fine for most games atm if you even use it. Anyone buying a 4080 at this price is deluded.
I think there may be a longer term play here as we move towards the metaverse. Microsoft has been buying up gaming studios and making a push to train those studios on Unreal Engine 5, there are even rumors of Halo moving to Unreal Engine 5. Its no secret AMD has been working with Epic to optimize its platform on the Unreal Engine. I think we will see a market consolidation of AAA games and the future metaverse that is run on Unreal Engine and AMD is just positioning itself as a graphics providor in that space. Not all ray tracing is done at the hardware level.
@@merijn5929 Couldn't agree more. But large corporations will start investing and laying the technological ground work much earlier than that, lest they be caught flat footed.
For me the connector is a non-issue. The price however, that's a different animal. I'm not trying to wealth-shame anyone, but I outright just can't afford any of the newer cards. Since I'm only planning to upgrade to an R5 5600 I don't even need that much power. I think I'm settling into a 2060 if they become inexpensive enough new. To be completely honest, with the games I play I don't even need to upgrade, and I'm only doing it so I have a newer CPU than my R7 2700. PC prices are going back to being ridiculously expensive, like they were in the mid-80's when everything was made out of unobtaineum.
at 1200$ it makes absolutely no sense to buy. I'm sorry, Not sorry, but this is the dumbest Nvidia Launch yet. Pricing makes this whole generation not worth buying.
I am a bit confused that you would call out on the 4090 melting story with "one of the manufacture is the defect" buddy....no one has confirmed that....all that is confirmed...we have 2 suppliers....that's it. Not even noting if the plastic is even at fault.
With the prices, and preferring to have food on the table instead of a box, I'm looking forward to the 4060. Coming from a 2070, it will be a pleasant upgrade.
The cards are unaffordable if you try to be on RELEASE. It's not going to change, start saving money between cards. It's like any other luxury purchase, (yes a GPU is a luxury for 99% of us) you have to actually save money to buy what you want.
Definitely going with AMD. It’s a slap in the face to launch a 4080 none Ti at $1200, when the last gen was $700. What’s even worse is the 4070 TI is going to be about the same speed as a 3080 TI for the same price 🤦🏼♂️
Man, this just reinforces my belief that I'll never need a Nvidia GPU that ends in 90. Although, it is nice to see Nvidia encouraging the used GPU market. 😅
@@shi-woonyi2605 I'm well aware of that, unlike the twit who tried to tell me that gamers were responsible for the scalping and price hikes during the 30xx series and would happily buy the 4090 at these prices.
They're really not encouraging the used market in a good way. if anything their 40xx pricing is keeping 30 series pricing high. Noticed 3080 and up series cards slowly going back up on the used market.
@@TheZoenGaming except the difference is nvidia is keeping pricing high for used/new 30xx due to 40xx pricing. If 4080 mrsp'd at $900, we would see used 3090 and 3090 ti's for $600-700 at this point.
Yes, it's pricey, but what a card! I cancelled an order for a $1150 Zotac 3090ti when I saw the $1200 FE 4080 will outperform it in every way. I'm stuck with Nvidia for pro work, so the debate was between 3090ti, 4090, and 4080. With those performance and power savings, 4080 looks worth the money (in today's crazy market).
I don't know where on the fence I should be sitting. I bought an EVGA 2080 ti FTW3 for 1800 cad because it was "on sale" for 300 off (regular 2100). I slapped a hybrid kit on it and for the most part it does the job. Not getting the frames I want at 1440p to match my 165hz monitor. I called my local big chain pc shop and a Gigabyte card was 1750 cad. I don't want to be caught in this Nvidia price gouging bubble again. Yes the 4080 beats the 2080 ti by twice the performance, but to spend over 4k cad in 4 years for video cards is nuts. I think i may wait and see what the 7900 benchmarks have to say before I pull the trigger. I'm really hoping the red team can put the green team in check this generation.
I think the weirdest part is here in Norway, the normal 3090 is about $2300. Which is obnoxious, but the weird part is when you realize the 4080 here is "only" roughly $1800, and 4090 around $2100. I wonder why that happens So here, the 3090 is just out of the question as its basically zero value. The 4080 is fine, but if you can afford to spend that much, you might as well get the 4090 for a few hundred extra bucks for almost 40% extra performance
Honestly with AMDs awesome lineup now its hard to choose, 4080 is alot more tempting than a 30 series, AMD would still probably win if I were to buy a new top shelf card right now though since 1199$ makes for a much emptier wallet right around the holidays, they should've led with this on launch for sure.
The 4080 has the same price per performance as a 4090, the same dollars per frames is what I mean. I don't understand why everyone is saying it's a bad card. It's been over a month since the 4090 launch, and I can't find it in stock, plus they're all well over MSRP at around $2,500 to $3,200. I'm very happy with my $1,250 4080 purchase at MSRP and def don't feel like I'm missing out paying $3,000 for a 4090 that I can't even find in stock when it only offers to for 25% more performance for 200% of the price of a 4080. People get so stuck on the 3080 to 4080 price difference they don't even actually take into consideration the dollar per frame performance (which is what actually matters).
I think the 4080 is a great card, and I bet that it will be one of the best cards to mine with if crypto mining ever takes off again. I’d rather have a more efficient card that is still faster than 3090 TI.
I would still show 1080p results, because most people still use that resolution. Steam Hardware Survey from October shows still 65% use this resolution. (Yes Steam Hardware Survey is just an indication but still a good point of reference) After that comes 2k resolution with 13.42%. 4K gaming ist not even close to beeing a focus with not even 3% in the survey. Thats because with currenct ecomonics and depending on the reigon 4k and even 2k gaming is not really affordable from buying point of view. So even with everything bottlenecked at 1080p it is still an important benchmark in my opinion.
@@HiLoMusic didn’t install yet! Was waiting for my Argentina to become world champions! Which we did. Yesterday. lol. I’ll let you know when I install it :)
I can not tell you how happy I am that I got the 3080 on launch. Best hardware investment I have made in a decade. Also rip 4080 when 7900 XTX hits the shelves. Literally the only reason to buy 4080 is RT and/or if you are making 3D (blender etc.) because of better support.
I was actually able to get one of the best 3080 early on for $760 at Best Buy. Really lucked out these generations. I highly recommend people wait till the prices drop. 3080s should be like $500-600 rn. With partner 4080s costing as much as $1500 it's clear that Nvidia is not just price gouging us but their partners too like EVGA hinted at
@@shinmopi I don't expect them soon but that doesn't mean we have to spend a grand+ on a in some ways poor value single PC compenent or buy slightly out of date parts with little discounts. I recommend people wait a little longer to upgrade if their current system is serving them well. Jenson is trying to ease the blow of the crypto mining death ending the near endless profits before on investors, we as customers aren't responsible for helping him with that problem.
@@chadbizeau5997 i agree on chad. I never buy a GPU when it is 6 months next to another release and right now only few weeks left so just wait and maybe the 7x series has a reasonable price in your country. I am really curious what it will cost here in germany..
To simply put it: Nvidia has priced me out of their current products. Luckily that I got an Asus Tuf 3080 at launch for MSRP $716 which I sold later for $1400 and got a 3090 two month later for the same price. I will be holding on to this 3090 for a while.
The fact a 4080 is a little better and pulls less power then my 3090 ti is enough to make me consider upgrading. And from my understanding the power connector is the same as a 3090 ti and most of the burned up adapters are from people not connecting them correctly.